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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #100 on: April 16, 2010, 12:51:02 AM »
PLAYOFF PREDICTIONS (And Awards as determined by VSM)

Welp. I'm gonna go ahead with my awards, first.

Most Valuable Player:
Anyone other than LeBron James at this point would be absurd. In a different year, yeah, Kevin Durant has been playing amazing. But James has just been... inhuman. This award is going to be his for about as long as he wants it.

Rookie of the Year:
Have to go with Tyreke Evans. If you've been listening to me throughout the year, you've seen me warm up more and more to this guy, and finally, I'm prepared to say that the Kings really scored an amazing little gem of a player. I was really miffed at them not taking a Point Guard, but Evans is showing himself to be a legit future superstar. This is a kid you can cheerfully build a playoff team around. Stephen Curry and Brandon Jennings have also both been sensational.

Coach of the Year:
I'm sticking with my earlier statement that this should go to Scott Skiles, for all the reasons I've said earlier. When Skiles came to the Bucks, they had very poor chemistry and were floundering. Against all odds, he turned the keys to the team over to a rookie point guard that many thought would be hard to control, and managed to get the team gelling together even with a long absence of Michael Redd. Many good coaches can be considered for this award, and I wouldn't be too upset if it went to Nate McMillan who had probably the most adversity to pull through, and still got into the playoffs, but my vote would still go to Skiles.

Executive of the Year:
Another award that I've changed on many, many times, I have to give this to Donnie Nelson. Nelson has picked up some seriously good pieces in Marion, Butler, Haywood, and yes, DeShawn Stephenson. Roddie Boubois turned out to be a pretty damn savvy draft pick, and once again, the Mavericks look like a big goddamn deal. I still wouldn't be upset if the award went to Kerr, or even Cleveland's Danny Ferry. But Nelson feels like the proper choice.

Most Improved Player:
Ah, fuck it. I don't even care. I want to see this handed to Andrea Bargnani but I predict that it will go to someone along the lines of Joakim Noah (who would certainly be a solid choice.)

Sixth Man of the Year:
Jamaal Crawford has been consistently great for Atlanta.
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PLAYOFF PREDICTIONS!

Lakers over Thunder 4-1
Thunder are damn good and getting better, and Durant is really, really special. Unfortunately, the Thunder just do not match up well with the Lakeshow at all, and are slumping lately.

Mavericks over Spurs 4-2
People have been sleeping on the Mavs, which is a huge mistake, for my money. Furthermore, this team was basically built around the idea of dealing with the Spurs.

Suns over Blazers 4-0
Sorry, Blazer fans. I really like your team, but you've just gotten too beat up. I'd like to give you a game--or two! But really, the Suns are still a good team and you just don't have anything left.

Nuggets over Jazz 4-3
Man. This is going to be really boring anyhow. Jazz have been consistently horrible in the playoffs when they're not in Utah, and I think Denver has every incentive to win one for their coach. Flipside is, Jazz are the very definition of consistency and the Nuggets have been floundering under Dantley. So.... if they win, I won't be surprised.

Cavaliers over Bulls 4-1
Bulls are scrappy and tough and will win at least one game. The Cavs, however, are really tough.

Magic over Bobcats 4-0
No one on this team can stop Superman.

Hawks over Bucks 4-1
Milwaukee is too beat up, and the Hawks are actually pretty goddamn good.

Heat over Celtics 4-2
The Celtics remind me an eerie amount of Detroit around the time when Wade absolutely killed us in the playoffs, and I think Miami is tougher than a lot of people give them credit for. One thing I will never do again is underrate the absurdity of Dwyane Wade. This will be this year's big first round upset.
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THEN

Lakers over Nuggets 4-0
Having won one for George, the Nuggets will completely fall apart as the Lakers finally realize that yes, they are in the playoffs, and have a clear shot at more glory.

Mavericks over Suns 4-2
This is my pick for most exciting series of the playoffs, because I think that both teams are underrated right now, and both play a really watchable style of basketball. In the end, I think the Mavs win simply because they're much, much hungrier.

Cavaliers over Heat 4-1
Another exciting series. James vs Wade would be absolutely epic, and would help relieve some of last year's blueballs over not getting a Lebron v Kobe duel. In the end, the Cavs just have more weapons than Miami.

Magic over Hawks 4-1
No one on this team can stop Superman.
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THEN
Lakers over Mavericks 4-3
I really want the Mavericks to take it all this season and just shut everyone up, but I'm not betting against the Lakers for anything.

Magic over Cavaliers 4-3
No one on this team can stop Superman. Flipside, no one on Orlando can stop James, so Cleveland will stay really competitive. In the end, I don't see how Cleveland has added the pieces it needs to deal with Howard.
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FINALLY
Lakers over Magic, 4-2
Pretty much last year. For whatever reason, Pau Gasol plays Howard as well as anyone in the league. furthermore, the Lakeshow has an improved perimeter defense in Ron Artest, which can hurt whichever outside weapon the Magic are leaning on in whatever game. People may yawn and say "Lakers again? Blah" but in the end, I think this will be a pretty decent playoffs.

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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #101 on: April 16, 2010, 07:59:23 AM »
I could see Chicago winning Game 1, and in the process, SHOCKING THE WORLD.

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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #102 on: April 16, 2010, 10:49:52 AM »
Sure I'll bite and join in with VSM

MVP: Lebron James.  Of course, letting the fans vote does lead to stupid things, but the fan vote is minuscule and Kobe should only beat Lebron by a little in the fan voting.  Lebron murders Kobe among anyone with a brain, which hopefully the real voters have.

ROY: Evans.  First off, I called Hardin and Curry future journeymen.  Hardin I stick with, but Curry I apologize to, even if you're in a system that lets you play and lets you shoot, you're legit son.  Evans is still better though.  Jennings is a distant third.  "BUT HIS TEAM IS WINNING."  Who cares, swap him with Curry or Evans and they'd win anyway.

COY: Dear God just let Sloan win it one time.  He's put up with injuries, Boozer, any everything else this year.  Kobe was less deserving of his token MVP than Sloan is of finally getting one.

Exec: Umm... I think Dallas is pretty overrated going in, but can't argue with that has been done with that team.

MIP: Don't care, I'll say Aaron Brooks via his Oregonness.

6th Man: Crawford seems to be the popular choice and since I think this award is stupid I could care less about it.  (I think 6th men who play MORE than their the guys they sub in for shouldn't count.  Those aren't 6th men, those are starters that the coach uses in a "tricky" way.)

Playoffs
VSM and I view the Lakers in very different lights this year.  They've been the 8th best team in the West over the last 30 games and I don't believe in an "on" switch.

Lakers over Thunder 4-3
Lakers are beat up and not as good this year.  Ariza was an efficient 4th option, Artest is not.  Bynum won't be 100%, their bench is in shambles and so on, but the Thunder have no real answer for Gasol/85% Bynum.  Still think it goes the distance though.

Spurs over Mavericks 4-2
My upset for the round.  Granted this relies 100% on Parker/Manu staying healthy.  If those 3 are 95% and Hill is good enough to at least play, I think they hold their home court and steal one on the road.  If Parker or Ginobli turns out to not be 100%, then Dallas should be able to take this one down.

Suns over Blazers 4-1
Suns play a style that allows for them to lose games.  Blazers sans Roy can actually play the fast break game decently, but the Suns are still the superior team.  Not sure if I see a sweep since the Suns struggle on the road, but it definitely does not look good for Portland unless Batum, Rudy, Bayless AND Martell all go nuts in the series.

Nuggets over Jazz ?-?
More injury questions.  If Boozer/Andre are good to go, I think Jazz win this in 6.  If Boozer/Andre are meh... Nuggets win this in 7.  If Boozer/Andre are out then Denver can probably take this down in 5.  Millsap is good, but if he starts the Jazz bench becomes garbage.  Martin should be good to go.  I'll go somewhere in the middle as my official vote and say Denver 4-3.

Cavs over Bulls 4-0
Cavs are on another level... I spose the Bulls might steal one, but I somehow doubt it.

Magic over Bobcats 4-0
I think Magic will want to show domination as much as the Cavs do

Hawks over Bucks 4-1
Yawns, the East is boring.  EVERY West series looks to be interesting, if any of these 3 East series go to 6 I will be amazed.

Heat over Celtics 4-2
I'd call this an upset... but over the last 2 months the Heat have been the far superior team.  Nobody on the Celtics can stop Wade and the Celtics do a good job of stopping themselves.


Conference Semifinals

Nuggets over Lakers 4-2
Carmelo is Kobe+ right now.  He doesn't get teammates involved as well, but umm.. Billups >>>>> Fisher at that.  Denver can force Kobe into tougher shots, nobody can do that with Carmelo right now without a double, and doubling him let's Smith and Billups run free.  The scary part about LA is their dual 7 footers, but Denver has a lot of defensive minded bigs to throw at them, bad news for Lakers.

Suns over Spurs 4-3
Awesome rematch, but Suns are too good right now and take advantage of the home court.

Cavs over Heat 4-1
Cleveland is in a different tier than Miami this year.  Sorry Heat.

Magic over Hawks 4-2
I almost never give a team a series on the road, but my gut says that's how this series will rol!

Conference Finals!!

Suns over Nuggets 4-3
The Nuggets don't match up as well against the Suns as the Lakers.  Unlike Gasol/Bynum, Amare is just 100% beast right now.  The outside shooting of the Suns and the fast pace also nulls the interior D of the Nuggets.  That said, winning in Denver is a bitch and this goes to 7.

Cleveland over Magic 4-3
I'm predicting a lot more 7 gamers than we usually see, but there are some good matchups this year.  The Cavs haven't added much this year, but everyone seems to be a bit better.  West, Hickson, and co all seem to be a bit more capable and Lebron has even managed to improve somehow.  Will be an awesome rematch series though.

Finals!

Cleveland over Suns 4-1
Cleveland's defense is well suited to deal with the Suns (sans Shaq but whatever) and NOBODY on the Suns team can come close to stopping Lebron.  In my playoffs the suns have the benefit of only having to get through Melo in terms of amazing offensive guys.  Roy is dead and Parker/Ginobli are 1 tier below the tops.  Without someone to at least slow down Lebron, the double will have to come, which means trouble.  (Because of this the Carmelos could also upset in WCF, but ehh... they don't have the Cavs D.)

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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #103 on: April 16, 2010, 09:31:24 PM »

Playoffs
VSM and I view the Lakers in very different lights this year.  They've been the 8th best team in the West over the last 30 games and I don't believe in an "on" switch.


I also don't believe in an "on" switch. I see it as more of a dimmer switch. I think the Lakers will struggle to put away OKC as well as they should be able to given how they overmatch them completely in the paint, but after 5 games in the series, I think they'll start to find their groove a little.

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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #104 on: April 16, 2010, 09:48:08 PM »
My poor Celtics. :( I think they will get past the Heat (because I believe they actually do have someone up to the task of containing Wade), but there's no way they take Cleveland out, so.

I hope Atlanta somehow comes out of the East, it would be awesome seeing guys like Joe Johnson, Josh Smith and Al Horford shooting for a title.


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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #105 on: April 17, 2010, 01:15:23 AM »

Playoffs
VSM and I view the Lakers in very different lights this year.  They've been the 8th best team in the West over the last 30 games and I don't believe in an "on" switch.


I also don't believe in an "on" switch. I see it as more of a dimmer switch. I think the Lakers will struggle to put away OKC as well as they should be able to given how they overmatch them completely in the paint, but after 5 games in the series, I think they'll start to find their groove a little.

Time will tell!  Actually when I went into this I did not suspect seeing the Suns as my WCF team... it just sort of happened, that's how silly the West is this year.

Also... last year a buddy of mine told me all year that Orlando was "fools gold."  It was like his mission in like to shut me down when I said that they were the biggest threat to the Cavs.  They then made the finals and I was kind enough never to bring it up to him.

This year he has been saying the same things about the Suns... so we shall see!

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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #106 on: April 17, 2010, 03:42:57 AM »
Phoenix has two big things this year that make them more legit than say, last year.

One is Goran Dragic. He's been around, sure, but he's developing nicely, and he really gives Phoenix something they've needed for a long time--a capable backup for Nash. The bench in GENERAL in Phoenix is surprisingly good, and full of credible scoring threats.

The other big deal is Channing Frye. I really like teams that have a mix in their big men, and Phoenix is one of them. They have a VERY dangerous post scorer in Amar'e, and Frye gives them a more-than-just-credible outside threat. It really loosens up Phoenix's game, and the Suns are a team where the looser they can play, the better.

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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #107 on: April 18, 2010, 04:27:11 AM »
Wow, I think we might have found someone that can defend Wade.

I expect we'll lose Game 2 after Garnett gets suspended for it, but still.


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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #108 on: April 18, 2010, 04:48:02 AM »
Nothing like a Game one racking up a bunch of T's. I'd missed the playoffs.
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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #109 on: April 18, 2010, 12:42:49 PM »
The NBA playoffs makes me wonder why I don't watch more basketball. The Jazz/nuggets game was pretty damn great, at least the quarter (Late third-fourth quarter) I saw of it.
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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #110 on: April 18, 2010, 03:56:26 PM »
The NBA playoffs makes me wonder why I don't watch more basketball.

Because more basketball isn't like the NBA playoffs.
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« Reply #111 on: April 18, 2010, 04:43:16 PM »
That. I like watching the playoffs, but ye gods the regular season can be a grind.
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« Reply #112 on: April 18, 2010, 04:56:14 PM »
NBA season's like and NBA game: starts off good, gets dull in the middle, and is a lot of fun/a total drag at the end depending on the score/standings.
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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #113 on: April 18, 2010, 06:23:32 PM »
AWARDS

Most Valuable Player
Lebron James, obviously.  They could give this award out at the beginning of the season instead of the end for as long as this guy wants to dominate.  There's no metric you can use that outputs a different result; best player on the best team (both by far), most efficient, most statistically spectacular, most visually spectacular (Wade perhaps challenges here).  When Lebron really turns it on, it's like watching an NBA player playing high school players - and then you remember those "high school" players are among the top one or two hundred basketball players in the world.

Rookie of the Year
Speaking of obvious choices.  Tyreke Evans mauls Brandon Jennings (and most other rookies, ever) statistically, so the difference in team records never enters as a tipping point.  And Stephan Curry plays for the Warriors, so a pace-adjusted look at his production exposes it as good, but hardly great.

Coach of the Year
Scott Brooks has done an amazing job with the Thunder this year, but I have to give it to Nate McMillan for shepherding the Blazers to a sixth seed despite the most injury plagued season in the league.  Hell, Nate himself got injured this year and they still pulled through.

Defensive Player of the Year
Last year, I though Chris Andersen should have gotten the award for nearly equaling Dwight Howard's block totals in about half the minutes.  But Andersen has fallen off, as overachieving role players are wont to do, while Howard continues to dominate the D.

Sixth Man of the Year
???

Most Improved Player
???

PLAYOFF PREDICTIONS

ROUND 1

EAST

Cleveland Cavaliers (1) vs. Chicago Bulls (8)
The Bulls will play hard, gritty basketball.
The Cavs have Lebron James, who may or may not have been infused with JENOVA cells before he was born, because that is some Sephiroth shit right there.
When you consider that the Cavs would most likely win this series without Lebron - they almost won their last meeting when he sat the game out, despite also being sans Shaq-who-actually-looks-halfway-like-Shaq and having nothing to play for - this becomes the most absurd series in the postseason.
Cavaliers in 4

Orlando Magic (2) vs. Charlotte Bobcats (7)
Who in the hell do you think the Bobcats are?!
Because seriously, I have no clue.  They're a "roll d20" team, completely unpredictable.  They beat the Cavs handily this season, something almost nobody could do.  But they lost games to the bottom-feeders, and it's not like they consistently hung with the top teams, either.  Stephen Jackson has always been a lolrandom player, so that's no surprise, but I'd expect more consistency from a Larry Brown team.
About the only sure thing is that the Bobcats will play physical and ugly up the game, if they can.  That's worked against Dwight Howard in the past.
Ultimately, Orlando's consistency and the beastliness of Howard should carry the day here.  But then, Vince Carter exists, so...
Magic in 5

Atlanta Hawks (3) vs. Milwaukee Bucks (6)
If Andrew Bogut were playing, this would be my pick for the first round's most likely upset.  Bogut's horrific injury changes everything, though, and I just don't think the Bucks have enough inside to do more than put a brave face on things.
The Hawks have more talent and a lot more experience.  They are healthy going into the Playoffs against a team missing probably its best player.
On the flip side, they have Mike Bibby and the best active player on the other team is a point guard, so, hey, look forward to Brandon Jennings starting off his career with some extremely flashy playoff 'per game's, and maybe even going off like crazy to win a couple.
Hawks in 6

Boston Celtics (4) vs. Miami Heat (5)
Boston sucked up the end of the season worse than the Lakers, without the recent ring and undeniable talent to back it up.  Their big three looked more like an average three, Rasheed Wallace looked like 1.5 Rasheed Wallaces and played like .05, and they couldn't play in the 4th quarter.
The Heat turned it up in the second half of the season - but they're not as smoking as they look.  Their schedule was so soft you could sell it as pillow down, and I'm not talking memory foam.
Ultimately, I think Boston is better, but I don't think they'll win.  Give Tony Allen and Jermaine O'Neal their averages and Game 1 would have probably gone the other way.  I'd expect O'Neal to give his average more often than Allen.
Heat in 6

WEST

LA Lakers (1) vs. Oklahoma City Thunder (8)
The Lakers have sucked it up for the second half of the season, coasting even when, by rights, they actually *did* have a lot to play for, what with losing home court to both of the meaningful East teams and coming within a couple of games of sliding behind Dallas.  Nor have they impressed, well, EVER this year, getting curbstomped by the Cavs in a pair of showcase games and losing the season series to their rivals from last year, the Nuggets, 1-3, including a loss in LA where Carmelo Anthony didn't even play.
On the flip side, Durant is the only Thunderer I think is worthy of the hype; maybe it's a style thing, but Westbrook and Green don't impress me much.  OKC doesn't have the talent to hang with the Lakers for a series.  Especially when they've been slumping, too.
Also, the NBA Playoffs are only a couple of steps removed from professional wrestling; if the Thunder actually could win, they'd get screwed.
Lakers in 5

Dallas Mavericks (2) vs. San Antonio Spurs (7)
The storied matchup returns!  Dallas's talent against San Antonio's championship savvy!  Dirk vs. Duncan in a matchup of two of the three best 4s of their generation!  Kidd vs. Parker in a rematch of an NBA Finals!
All of which would be more exciting if the Spurs weren't in their worst season since Duncan joined the team and the Mavericks weren't the most absurdly stacked team in for-freaking-ever.
Mavericks in 5

Phoenix Suns (3) vs. Portland Trailblazers (6)
The Blazers won the season series, and McMillan is my pick for CotY.
But Phoenix is playing the best basketball in the league right now.  Not only are they beating their opponents, they're absolutely destroying them; their last two games against playoff contenders with tons to play for?  A pair of blowouts in which the Suns never appeared to break a sweat.
This still could have been a great series, since Portland is stacked with talent when healthy.  But - when healthy.  I have a ton of respect not just for their coach but for their players, especially perennial winner Andre Miller, but I just don't see them having enough in the tank to win this without Roy, or even seriously challenge.
Suns in 5

Denver Nuggets (4) vs. Utah Jazz (5)
Denver got the best matchup it could have had (except, perhaps, OKC) when Phoenix followed up an embarrassing whupping of the Nuggets with a back-to-back embarrassing whupping of the Jazz.
Denver has more talent, good matchups, and won the season series handily.  Carmelo Anthony has played some of his best ball against Utah, and that's when going against Andre Kirilenko.
Who is out.  As, after last night, Mehmet Okur may be.  The Jazz are injury-plagued at exactly the wrong time, and Deron William's greatness and Jerry Sloan's consistent excellence aren't enough to make up the gap.
At the same time, if the Nuggets pull ahead of the Jazz, they're more likely than perhaps any other playoff team to let up the throttle and blow some easy games.
Nuggets in 6

ROUND 2

EAST

Cleveland Cavaliers (1) vs. Miami Heat (5)
Wade gets the chance to audition in the King's Court, trying to court him to Miami with the newly generous salary cap.
I say that not because it has a snowball's chance in hell of happening, but because it has more of a chance of happening than the Heat have of beating the Cavs in a seven game series.
Or, really, at all.
If you match Lebron and Wade, Cleveland is better at every position including every single bench player.  By, like... a lot.
(Boston winning would make no difference in my prediction.)
Cavaliers in 4

Orlando Magic (2) vs. Atlanta Hawks (3)
On the one hand, Vince Carter.  Can I really believe he won't spectacularly fold in the postseason, giving his first reasonable opponents the win?
On the other hand, Mike Bibby.  Can I really believe he won't give up an extra 10 ppg and 10% efg% to the opposing point, giving his first reasonable opponents the win?
On the gripping hand, both these overhyped scrubs have great teammates who can make up for their high levels of fail.  Of these, Howard is the best, but Atlanta has more.
This should be a great series, but ultimately I have to give it to Superman.
Magic in 7

WEST

LA Lakers (1) vs. Denver Nuggets (4)
The Nuggets handily won their season series against LA; in two of those games, they never even struggled.  They also match up fairly well and are sort of built to beat the Lakers.  The Nuggets should also get George Karl back in this series, after playing only OK under Adrian Dantley.
The Lakers beat the Nuggets in the playoffs last year with minimal help from the officials.  They're more talented, with Pau Gasol being the biggest difference-maker, and they have the weight of their vast market behind them.  Phil Jackson consistently outcoaches George Karl anyway, so I'm not sure how much Karl's return matters.
Both of these teams are shadows of what they were last year, the Lakers offensively and the Nuggets defensively.  If one gets their act together and the other doesn't, it will be a stomp for whichever team is on the ball.  If neither or both do, it should be a competitive series.
Lakers in 7

Dallas Mavericks (2) vs. Phoenix Suns (3)
The hottest team in the NBA in Phoenix, the most talented team in the NBA in Dallas, the rematch of long-time friends and comrades Dirk Nowitzki and Steve Nash, a storied rivalry...
And unlike the Dallas-San Antonio matchup, this one should live up to the hype.
This should be the best series of the year, by a lot.  Both these teams are championship caliber and have played like it.  Both are so deep and talented they've been able to rest their starters.  Neither has a crippling weakness in personnel or psychology.  Both are well coached.  Both have a former MVP who remains a legit superstar.  Both have a great supporting cast.
In the end, I have to give the tiniest of margins to home court, and figure the Suns have been marginally more screwed than the Mavs over the years.
Mavericks in 7

CONFERENCE FINALS

EAST

Cleveland Cavaliers (1) vs. Orlando Magic (2)
The two best players in the NBA!  Unfortunately, they don't match up, so it's not as cool of a rivalry as if they were both centers or both swingmen or something.
Howard's dominance is almost unchallenged... except that Shaq, for all he's nowhere near dominant these days, seems to match up very well with him.  Ilgauskas's ability to spread the floor should also help, at least somewhat.
Lebron is more consistently unstoppable, and this year I think he finally has the supporting cast to win this matchup.
Stan Van Gundy is, I suspect, the better coach here, but not necessarily the better postseason coach.
If the Mavs/Suns matchup last round wasn't the best of the playoffs, this might well be, because these are probably the two best teams in the NBA.
Cavaliers in 7

WEST

LA Lakers (1) vs. Dallas Mavericks (2)
Dallas is more talented, hotter, and has a better best player.
LA sometimes fields eight players on the court at once.
This series comes down completely to how fair this year's playoffs are going to be.  Dallas wins every matchup except shooting guard, most by a large margin.
The league will have to cheat more for the Lakers than they have since 2002, maybe more than ever, to make this series anything but a curbstomp.
Mavericks in 6

NBA FINALS

Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Dallas Mavericks
Dallas has more aggregate talent.
Cleveland has by far the best player.
Both teams are stacked from top to bottom, starters to bench, but the Mavs are moreso.
Both teams have great starting lineups, but the Mavs have a bit better one.
Both teams had a very tough matchup on their way here, but Cleveland's came more recently.
I think Rick Carlisle wins the coaching matchup with Mike Brown.  It should be a good coaching duel, though, especially since Brown was Carlisle's assistant during the latter's best years in Indiana.
Ultimately, I can't help but expect Lebron to will the Cavaliers to a title this year, since they should be in reach of one and maybe even favored for it.  Home court should seal the deal.
Cavaliers in 7

(If the Magic won last round, I would give it to the Mavericks in 7 after almost as tough a series, especially interesting because Gortat might end up being an X-factor and the Mavs tried to sign him.)
(If the Lakers won last round, I would give it to the Cavs in 6.  Could be as few as 4 or 5, but the Lakers would have to have found some of their rhythm to get this far and they have enough talent to at least make it a series.)
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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #114 on: April 18, 2010, 06:34:51 PM »
You know, I never understood why the MVP always goes to people on the great teams.  I mean, most of the time the team is good enough that if you took the "MVP" off it they would still at least be competent.  If you're going to give it out that way rename it to most outstanding player or something.  Most valuable ought to go to somebody that clearly brings his team way higher than the sum of it's parts.

In fairness in this case LeBron probably does fit, the Cavs have never put together a great team around him really.  I just feel like ranting about the most misnamed award in sports. >_>

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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #115 on: April 18, 2010, 07:25:40 PM »
Well, if the Blazers can take the series to six games, there's a good chance Brandon Roy can return. I hope that he does so by running in through the crowd armed with a folding chair.

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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #116 on: April 19, 2010, 07:46:21 AM »
Much like Dr. Horrible or Conrad Bennish, Jr, WE SHOCKED THE WORLD.

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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #117 on: April 19, 2010, 08:23:51 AM »
You know, I never understood why the MVP always goes to people on the great teams.  I mean, most of the time the team is good enough that if you took the "MVP" off it they would still at least be competent.  If you're going to give it out that way rename it to most outstanding player or something.  Most valuable ought to go to somebody that clearly brings his team way higher than the sum of it's parts.

In fairness in this case LeBron probably does fit, the Cavs have never put together a great team around him really.  I just feel like ranting about the most misnamed award in sports. >_>

Long Answer:
Well, to be the most valuable player you have to account for about 20 wins yourself if you look at Win Shares in recent years.  This means the only way an MVP could be on a bad team is if he took a ridiculously crappy team and turned them into a mediocre team the following year, proving his value.

Wade was in the running one year when his Heat went 41-41 because that team would have probably gone 20-62 without him.  It was the only time I can think of a guy from a non 50 win game having a legit shot at winning the MVP.

Finally, the Most Valuable Player doesn't always go to the best player in the NBA.  Steve Nash was a 2 time MVP and was probably never the "best" basketball player alive, but he could improve his teammates like nobody ever has... he's also the best shooter OF ALL TIME. 

Short Answer:
Because value in the NBA is determined by wins.  You can't be valuable if you lead your team to a 20-62 record unless you believe that team would go 0-82 without that player.

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« Reply #118 on: April 19, 2010, 08:24:45 AM »
Oh... and may Charles Barkley choke on a hot dog and get over the fact that the Blazers passed on trading for him 20 years ago.

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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #119 on: April 19, 2010, 08:43:30 AM »
he's also the best shooter OF ALL TIME.

Pfft, maybe in statistics, but there's only one greatest shooter of all time. There's Larry Bird and there's every other person, human or alien, who will ever play a variant of basketball in this or any other dimension.

But yes, LeBron deserves MVP in any sense of the word. The Cavs without him probably would make the playoffs, but only because they're in the East, which in a non-LeBron universe would be called the "Get Sodomized by the Orlando Magic Conference."

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« Reply #120 on: April 19, 2010, 09:47:35 PM »
Ehh... Bird being the best shooter of all time just doesn't fit to me.  He couldn't even shoot the long ball for half of his career and it's not like his FG% was astounding even when he didn't shoot 3s.  He was an amazing FT shooter, but he still can't match Nash.

The one advantage Bird has is that he had to shoot in higher quantities, which lowers your percentages in some categories.  However, FT% doesn't go damn via quantity and 3 pointers do only if you're a guy who goes from only taking wide open set threes to having to create your own.  (See Rudy Fernandez.)  Nash definitely doesn't get to cherry pick wide open 3s all day.

So yeah... I definitely have to agree with the stats here.  Hollinger did a quick, albeit simple, analysis of shooters once to confirm my beliefs.  The problem is I'm not an insider and the word file a friend sent me has long since been deleted.

Player            2-Pt%    3-Pt%    FT%     CSR
Larry Bird    .509    .376    .886    1.770
Ray Allen    .        482    .396    .893    1.770
Dana Barros    .488    .411    .858    1.757

This is all you get without insider.  It also weights FT% too much.  Regardless, those guys are all rank 7-10 since the 3 pointer was brought to the NBA.  Nash meanwhile has .495, .432, and .903, giving him a ridiculous 1.830.  (Quantity isn't an issue on the long ball either since Nash has attempted twice as many as Bird.)

So yeah... the only place Bird is a better shooter than Nash is from 2 point land by 1.4% and I bet offensive rebound putbacks alone could account for that 1.4%  (Bird has 1200 more of those than Nash in his career.)

Bird was the superior defender and the superior volume scorer... but I honestly don't think anybody has ever matched Nash in the raw efficiency of his shooting from anywhere on the court.  Thankfully he gave us a miss at the end of last nights game!

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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #121 on: April 19, 2010, 10:07:57 PM »
The dumbest NBA award hands down is Coach of the Year, which typically goes to whoever coached the team that exceeded preseason win expectations by the largest margin. This leads to results like Sam Mitchell somehow winning in 06-07, then getting fired less than two years later.

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« Reply #122 on: April 20, 2010, 12:08:50 AM »
I definitely agree with this Hinode.  Mike Brown winning it was also a joke.  Jerry Sloan has also never won it because HE IS ALWAYS GOOD, people just expect excellence from him now.

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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #123 on: April 20, 2010, 02:52:50 AM »
Nobody will be a better shooter than Larry Bird until someone else can do shit like this:

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During one game on Christmas Day against the Indiana Pacers, before the game Bird told Chuck Person that he had a Christmas present waiting for him. During the game, when Person was on the bench, Bird shot a three-pointer on the baseline right in front of Person. Immediately after releasing the ball, Bird said to Person, "Merry fuckin' Christmas!", and then the shot went in.

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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #124 on: April 20, 2010, 08:16:36 PM »
Word is, Camby was just resigned for two more years about ten minutes ago.