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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #225 on: May 31, 2010, 01:11:50 AM »
Must be nice to be Kobe Bryant.  People and analysts illogically think that you are the most clutch player in the NBA.  You try and prove them wrong by practically airballing TWO game winning shots in crucial playoff games, and BOTH times your so called "non clutch" teammates save you with a layup.

Pretty sure in game 7 of the NBA finals the Lakers will be down by 1 with seconds left, Kobe will throw up an airball and Gasol will take it out of the air and dunk it.  The world will then praise Kobe for having the insight to oop it to Gasol and will be given the next 7 NBA finals MVPs.  And yes, I might be a little bit bitter because that dude runs better than anyone ever should.  Let's look at his career.
1. Get to play with by far the most dominant player in the NBA and grab 3 titles
2. Get into arguments with that player, BLOW A FINALS WITH EPIC 35% FG SHOOTING WHILE NOT GIVING SHAQ THE BALL, and somehow blame Shaq and get him run out of town.
3. Play on a shitty team for a while to get some guady individual stats like 35ppg and 81 point games for 3 years
4. Pick up Gasol for effectively nothing
5. Win a title with the whole world ignoring Gasol's brilliance and Ariza's game saving plays on multiple occasions.
6. This year's garbage!

Some guy on Something Awful (Dokmo) is a professional analyst, but he's mum on where exactly he does his statwork. He actually posted some lategame stats throughout the season and it added up to Kobe actually being about as "clutch" as all that. (His fg% actually increases by quite a lot late in the fourth in close games.) However, there WAS a player who had higher bumps than Kobe----LeBron James.

So it's not all bunk.

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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #226 on: May 31, 2010, 06:50:58 AM »
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« Reply #227 on: June 01, 2010, 05:02:36 AM »
Must be nice to be Kobe Bryant.  People and analysts illogically think that you are the most clutch player in the NBA.  You try and prove them wrong by practically airballing TWO game winning shots in crucial playoff games, and BOTH times your so called "non clutch" teammates save you with a layup.

Pretty sure in game 7 of the NBA finals the Lakers will be down by 1 with seconds left, Kobe will throw up an airball and Gasol will take it out of the air and dunk it.  The world will then praise Kobe for having the insight to oop it to Gasol and will be given the next 7 NBA finals MVPs.  And yes, I might be a little bit bitter because that dude runs better than anyone ever should.  Let's look at his career.
1. Get to play with by far the most dominant player in the NBA and grab 3 titles
2. Get into arguments with that player, BLOW A FINALS WITH EPIC 35% FG SHOOTING WHILE NOT GIVING SHAQ THE BALL, and somehow blame Shaq and get him run out of town.
3. Play on a shitty team for a while to get some guady individual stats like 35ppg and 81 point games for 3 years
4. Pick up Gasol for effectively nothing
5. Win a title with the whole world ignoring Gasol's brilliance and Ariza's game saving plays on multiple occasions.
6. This year's garbage!

Some guy on Something Awful (Dokmo) is a professional analyst, but he's mum on where exactly he does his statwork. He actually posted some lategame stats throughout the season and it added up to Kobe actually being about as "clutch" as all that. (His fg% actually increases by quite a lot late in the fourth in close games.) However, there WAS a player who had higher bumps than Kobe----LeBron James.

So it's not all bunk.


Well, there's also a page for game winning shots over a 5 year period.  Not many are TRUE game winners.  Their idea of a game winning shot was
1. 2 point, 1 point, or tied game
2. Under 24 seconds on the shot clock

This way you are changing the lead in some form whenever you make a shot with less than 1 shot clock duration left in the game.  This way before this year, when I think Kobe did okay here, but Kobe has an astounding 25% FG percentage in this area.  Of the top 50 players in makes that was 2nd worst behind only Billups.

Now league average is only like 30 IIRC in this area, because these are not easy shots to make, but 25 is pretty fail.

Lebron has led in makes, with a 34% clip, which isn't too awful, but still not as good as Carmelo who has 13 makes in 27 attempts.

Also if you look, Kobe had 56 attempts, 1 assist and 5 turnovers.
Lebron had 50 attempts with 6 assists and 4 turnovers.  At least passing appears to be an option for Lebron.
(Paul Pierce to his credit has 34 shots and 9 assists.)

Finally, Kobe is 12/15 from the line.  Tiny sample size, but 80% isn't any higher than Kobe's normal average.  Lebron's 14/20 sits a bit below his sad FT percentage.

Long story short, the three guys I would want shooting the ball in the clutch are Carmelo, Lebron, and Ray Allen.  Granted some of Allen's makes could be coming off those dimes from Pierce, which means that Boston could have the best 1-2 punch in the league in the clutch.

http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #228 on: June 01, 2010, 05:04:12 AM »
Oh, and of course Travis Outlaw with his 6/7 from the field deserves some attention!

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« Reply #229 on: June 02, 2010, 07:15:36 AM »
After looking at that chart, I've decided that the absolute best thing to do for the Lakers in end-of-game situations is for most of the shots in the fourth to come from Kobe, but the last play should be him dishing to either Gasol or Fisher.

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« Reply #230 on: June 04, 2010, 01:17:09 AM »
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« Reply #231 on: June 04, 2010, 08:56:58 AM »
My favorite part of that article is that if you quote creatively, you can do this:

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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #232 on: June 15, 2010, 08:31:10 PM »
So, New York has turned to asking a bunch of actors to try and persuade LeBron to sign with them. If this was my team, I'd be pretty embarassed. Of course, none of their arguments have anything to do with basketball, just how LeBron should want to live in New York.

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« Reply #233 on: June 15, 2010, 08:37:36 PM »
So tonight we are going out and celebrating Game 6 with a some basketball fans. I'm hoping for an exciting game!
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« Reply #234 on: June 18, 2010, 04:31:39 AM »
And Boston looking to pull another choke act...

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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #235 on: June 18, 2010, 04:57:00 AM »
At least the majority of fans here will be happy.

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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #236 on: June 18, 2010, 05:00:34 AM »
37 to 17 FTs... take away intentional fouls and it's 33 to 17.  (I think 2 IFs?  Maybe 3.)

Either way, another NBA finals 4th Quarter, another 20+FTA for the Lakers.

Gasol was also the MVP of this series, but there's no way in hell he will get it.

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« Reply #237 on: June 18, 2010, 05:07:41 AM »
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!! Fun game to watch, but terrible result.
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« Reply #238 on: June 18, 2010, 05:11:13 AM »
Also, RON RON, MAKIN' THREES IN THE CLUTCH! YEAH BABAAAAY
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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #239 on: June 18, 2010, 05:17:20 AM »
At least the majority of fans here will be happy.

Bleh.

That's the DL, sea of Lakers fans.


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Anyway, yeah, seconding Ciato. Very fun game, not the result I wanted but oh well, I'm not too emotionally involved in basketball so it was fun. Plus at least the Lakers' win was totally a team thing, and not just OMG Kobe best player ever 45 points lulz. Great defence.

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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #240 on: June 18, 2010, 08:20:45 AM »
HAY GUYS LET'S RIOT!!!!!

Ugh, couldn't the Lakers throw the game and save the city some money on unnecessary cleanup and law enforcement? Yes, this is my contribution to the topic.
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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #241 on: June 18, 2010, 08:49:26 AM »
LA riots again. That place is like the warmup for the Apocalypse.

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« Reply #243 on: June 25, 2010, 09:09:04 AM »
Well fuck.

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« Reply #244 on: July 04, 2010, 03:53:56 AM »
So now that it's been over for a few weeks, what did you guys think of the past season?
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« Reply #245 on: July 04, 2010, 08:26:54 AM »
The word that comes to mind is heart-breaking.

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« Reply #246 on: July 04, 2010, 10:20:37 PM »
Exciting, even if I hated how it ended. I'm very glad we stuck it to everyone that thought Miami would bounce us in the first round - never mind everyone that thought Cleveland and then Orlando would surely put down - for all that I like Dwayne Wade a lot better than LeBron James (which, of course, made watching LeBron completely stop trying in Game 5 of the conference semis so much more enjoyable), and Game 7 of the Finals is a successful season as far as I'm concerned given the circumstances under which we lost.

Sadly, a crappy ending to the season has continued into a crappy offseason and coverage Brett Favre would be jealous of while most of the rest of the country really doesn't want to hear about it until something meaningful actually happens. Ugh.


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« Reply #247 on: July 04, 2010, 11:25:11 PM »
Exciting, even if I hated how it ended. I'm very glad we stuck it to everyone that thought Miami would bounce us in the first round - never mind everyone that thought Cleveland and then Orlando would surely put down - for all that I like Dwayne Wade a lot better than LeBron James (which, of course, made watching LeBron completely stop trying in Game 5 of the conference semis so much more enjoyable), and Game 7 of the Finals is a successful season as far as I'm concerned given the circumstances under which we lost.

Sadly, a crappy ending to the season has continued into a crappy offseason and coverage Brett Favre would be jealous of while most of the rest of the country really doesn't want to hear about it until something meaningful actually happens. Ugh.

I would call it a consequence of when the offseason is. sports media are starved for content, as all they have during the summer on non-Olympic years is baseball and golf, both middling as car as popularity goes.
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« Reply #248 on: July 04, 2010, 11:33:43 PM »
Annoying.

It's petty, but Kobe Bryant gets to chalk up another title to his legend, despite the fact that he damn near blew 3 separate rounds with his inability to know the slightest thing about team play down the stretch.  Instead he gets his 5th title and second MVP... despite shooting 40% in the finals.  I wonder if that's the worst an "MVP" has ever shot.  It doesn't bother me so much that he won the MVP as that he was going to autowin it regardless of how amazing Gasol played in the series.

As for my favorite teams...  well Portland dealt with injuries all damn year, managed a decent playoff seed, and then watched Roy get injured anyway.  Then we go and fire Pritchard because management is jealous of him.  Cool.  Oh well, if we succeed next year Blazer fans will still know it was KP who did it and not the Vulcans.

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« Reply #249 on: July 05, 2010, 05:34:32 AM »
I would call it a consequence of when the offseason is. sports media are starved for content, as all they have during the summer on non-Olympic years is baseball and golf, both middling as car as popularity goes.

Perhaps, but when there's the final round of a golf tournament, a 15-inning game and the All-Star selections in baseball and Takeru Kobayashi getting arrested all in the same day, and SportsCenter's top story is "LeBron isn't doing anything right now", there's some serious issues in the sporting news world.


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