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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #250 on: July 05, 2010, 06:10:31 AM »
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« Reply #251 on: July 05, 2010, 06:45:51 PM »
I would call it a consequence of when the offseason is. sports media are starved for content, as all they have during the summer on non-Olympic years is baseball and golf, both middling as far as popularity goes.

Perhaps, but when there's the final round of a golf tournament, a 15-inning game and the All-Star selections in baseball and Takeru Kobayashi getting arrested all in the same day, and SportsCenter's top story is "LeBron isn't doing anything right now", there's some serious issues in the sporting news world.

Baseball, golf and competitive eating probably have less fans combined than basketball, honestly.

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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #252 on: July 05, 2010, 10:59:16 PM »
I'm pretty sure baseball is still the #2 sport in America, actually.

EDIT: In comparison to professional basketball, anyway. Combine the pros with NCAA and basketball might overtake baseball.

EDIT 2: Little bit of Googling around suggests they're neck-and-neck. I didn't think basketball had come that far, but hey. Even with that, though, I would think baseball's All-Star announcements is more important news that LeBron not doing anything (hell, I would say the announcement of the NHL's All-Star teams is more important news than Brett Favre not doing anything).
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« Reply #253 on: July 05, 2010, 11:03:07 PM »
I was pretty pleased with the season. Obviously was heartbroken when the Thunder lost in the first round, but they've come a long way from their terrible 23-59 season and I'm really happy about that. I think having a group of youngsters is quite awesome. I'm really looking forward to next year! I hope they can do better in the playoffs.
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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #254 on: July 06, 2010, 02:22:11 AM »
I always figured it's something like College Football > NFL > High School Football > College Basketball > MLB > NBA >> NHL, although it's possible the UFC has overtaken the NHL by now.  That said, I think basketball is a bigger business (that is, makes more money) than MLB, since baseball seasons are so drawn out that it's less flashy and explosive a sort of play.  Could be wrong though.
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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #255 on: July 06, 2010, 02:55:16 AM »
NFL is number one by miles and it isn't close. Preseason games beat the World Series for ratings, the draft got 20 million people this year, etc.  NFL>College football>NBA sounds right.
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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #256 on: July 06, 2010, 04:58:09 AM »
That said, I think basketball is a bigger business (that is, makes more money) than MLB, since baseball seasons are so drawn out that it's less flashy and explosive a sort of play.  Could be wrong though.

The long drawn-out season is what makes baseball so much money, since they have 32 teams selling tickets for 162 games every year. I think baseball parks have the higher average attendance capacity than basketball arenas, too.

Basketball has an entire round of playoffs on baseball, but I believe the World Series has higher ratings than the NBA Finals over the past several years.


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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #257 on: July 06, 2010, 05:07:40 AM »
Well, I was thinking in terms of advertising and the like.  Baseball is probably the only sport that makes money based on actual attendance in actual stadiums, because they DO actually use their bloody parks most of the time.
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« Reply #258 on: July 06, 2010, 05:10:52 AM »
Looks like, comparing the 2009 World Series with the 2010 NBA finals..

They look about equal, to be honest. Game 7 is way better than Game 6 of the World Series, but otherwise the World Series has a slight lead.
(Note, both of these were much better than the previous year's ratings, where the NBA possibly comes out on top.) Regardless it's close.
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« Reply #259 on: July 06, 2010, 06:16:55 AM »
That's why I said "over the past several years". Celtics/Lakers Game 7 is obviously going to draw a lot of attention, and even then, with the ways the Yankees/Phillies ratings were going, I wouldn't have been surprised if they have had a comparable Game 7.

Taking a look at the past 10 years, here are the average ratings for each.

NBA Finals:

2001: 12.1
2002: 10.2
2003: 6.5
2004: 11.5
2005: 8.2
2006: 8.5
2007: 6.2
2008: 9.3
2009: 8.4
2010: 10.9

World Series:

2000: 12.4
2001: 15.5
2002: 11.9
2003: 12.8
2004: 15.9
2005: 11.2
2006: 10.1
2007: 10.8
2008: 8.5
2009: 11.7

I'm not sure how "close" I would consider those numbers.

I also feel a bit dirty going to these lengths to argue that baseball announcing its All-Stars is more important news that LeBron James doing nothing.


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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #260 on: July 06, 2010, 08:56:55 AM »
I am totally shocked that baseball is somehow still this popular. I would like to see a regional breakdown. I suspect it's more an East coast thing.

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« Reply #261 on: July 06, 2010, 09:03:06 AM »
Possible.  I expect a demographic breakdown would be more informative.  (Remember!  Old people outnumber us.)
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« Reply #262 on: July 06, 2010, 09:41:07 AM »
FACT: Old people love baseball. It's relaxing to slowly die to.

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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #263 on: July 06, 2010, 06:00:14 PM »
I don't have regional breakdowns of those numbers. The best I could offer you is the markets that were directly involved. In baseball, for example, the spike in 2004 and the drop in 2008 are both unsurprising, given the former was Boston ending 86 years of futility and the latter involved Tampa Bay (which, combined with the Marlins' shitty attendance, would actually seem to suggest old people don't care about baseball much at all, but I wouldn't be able to argue that stance one way or the other with any sort of conviction).

I'm guessing baseball will actually maintain this popularity, if not see an increase, given the influx of exciting young talent outside the major northeastern markets with guys like Hanley Ramirez, Troy Tulowitzki, David Price, Tim Lincecum and most recently Stephen Strasburg (and Bryce Harper on the way). With the way we seem to be moving on from the PED debacle (or at least starting to), the only thing that I can see killing baseball at this point is Pujols getting busted. He and Griffey are the last two names every fan in the country wanted to see on any list of that sort, and Griffey has been able to leave quietly.
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« Reply #264 on: July 06, 2010, 06:02:56 PM »
Possible.  I expect a demographic breakdown would be more informative.  (Remember!  Old people outnumber us.)
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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #265 on: July 06, 2010, 06:05:18 PM »
I don't have that either. :C

EDIT: Some other attendance figures. Football being #1 is no surprise to anyone, I'm sure, but baseball's on the list while basketball isn't.
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« Reply #266 on: July 06, 2010, 09:36:27 PM »
To be fair, attendance is largely a function of the arena the sport is played in. You'll note the Canadian Football League shows up on that list, and anyone living here will tell you that the CFL isn't in the same league (haha) as the NHL for popularity. The NBA can't possibly be on that list because basketball arenas just aren't big enough.

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« Reply #267 on: July 06, 2010, 11:35:17 PM »
To be fair, attendance is largely a function of the arena the sport is played in. You'll note the Canadian Football League shows up on that list, and anyone living here will tell you that the CFL isn't in the same league (haha) as the NHL for popularity.

And yet there are are more pro football teams in Canada than pro hockey teams.

I've never understood that.
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« Reply #268 on: July 06, 2010, 11:38:11 PM »
Because the infinite wisdom of Gary Bettman has decreed that Tampa Bay, Phoenix, and Nashville are stronger hockey markets, and the infinite wisdom of Gary Bettman must never be questioned.

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Re: NBA 2009-2010
« Reply #269 on: July 07, 2010, 02:07:29 AM »
And yet there are are more pro football teams in Canada than pro hockey teams.

I've never understood that.

It's a lot easier when you're a league in a single country (and you totally block out the '90s from your mind, f*** you Larry Smith). There have been equal or more Canadian CFL teams than Canadian NHL teams at all times since before Gary was even born.

Bettman's still a bonehead, though.  ;D

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« Reply #270 on: July 07, 2010, 02:43:23 AM »
To be fair, attendance is largely a function of the arena the sport is played in. You'll note the Canadian Football League shows up on that list, and anyone living here will tell you that the CFL isn't in the same league (haha) as the NHL for popularity. The NBA can't possibly be on that list because basketball arenas just aren't big enough.

Indeed. It's all about the question you ask. If your metric was, say, consecutive sellout games, you have a different picture as well.

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« Reply #271 on: July 07, 2010, 06:37:47 AM »
I'd be curious to see international numbers for American baseball vs American basketball.

Total money spend on clothes and goods would be interesting as well.

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« Reply #272 on: July 07, 2010, 06:38:47 AM »
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« Reply #273 on: July 07, 2010, 08:59:59 AM »
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5359255

So the word is LeBron is making up his mind Thursday. He's going to do a one-hour thing on ESPN.  But here's the cool part: he's selling the ad space and giving the money to charity.

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« Reply #274 on: July 07, 2010, 02:17:01 PM »
Exciting, even if I hated how it ended. I'm very glad we stuck it to everyone that thought Miami would bounce us in the first round - never mind everyone that thought Cleveland and then Orlando would surely put down - for all that I like Dwayne Wade a lot better than LeBron James (which, of course, made watching LeBron completely stop trying in Game 5 of the conference semis so much more enjoyable), and Game 7 of the Finals is a successful season as far as I'm concerned given the circumstances under which we lost.

Sadly, a crappy ending to the season has continued into a crappy offseason and coverage Brett Favre would be jealous of while most of the rest of the country really doesn't want to hear about it until something meaningful actually happens. Ugh.

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