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Naoto: 40-24 63%
Flay: 32-27 54%

Out:

Max: 34-36 49%



Poor Max can't even win on the tournament board. On the bright side, Naoto is unlikely to be ranked Middle at this point and Flay's going up this season!


This week:

Kanji- Supertank with good damage, just needs more pseed.
Meru- The complete opposite of Kanji. Good speed and skillset, hates that durability.
Golem- Tank!


Kanji Tatsumi (P4) vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6)
Kanji vs Lenus (LoD)
Kanji vs Jean (BoF2)
Kanji vs Zed (WA1)
Kanji vs Ephraim (FE8)
Kanji vs Joshua (FE8)
Kanji vs Lun (S5)
Kanji vs LC Chan (S2)
Kanji vs Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII (MK)
Kanji vs Axl (MMXCM)
Kanji vs Yulie Ahtriede (WA4)
Kanji vs Ox (BoF1)

Meru (LoD) vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6)
Meru vs Lenus (LoD)
Meru vs Jean (BoF2)
Meru vs Zed (WA1)
Meru vs Ephraim (FE8)
Meru vs Joshua (FE8)
Meru vs Lun (S5)
Meru vs LC Chan (S2)
Meru vs Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII (MK)
Meru vs Axl (MMXCM)
Meru vs Yulie Ahtriede (WA4)
Meru vs Ox (BoF1)

Golem (PKMN) vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6)
Golem vs Lenus (LoD)
Golem vs Jean (BoF2)
Golem vs Zed (WA1)
Golem vs Ephraim (FE8)
Golem vs Joshua (FE8)
Golem vs Lun (S5)
Golem vs LC Chan (S2)
Golem vs Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII (MK)
Golem vs Axl (MMXCM)
Golem vs Yulie Ahtriede (WA4)
Golem vs Ox (BoF1)
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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 5: Man, Meru runs laps around the other two.
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2009, 12:55:51 AM »
Kanji Tatsumi (P4) vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6) - ...uh...yeah.  Edgar.
Kanji vs Lenus (LoD) - Kanji.  Lenus IGRC is really bad.
Kanji vs Jean (BoF2) - Jean, I suppose.  Get back to Light, frog.
Kanji vs Zed (WA1) - Zed.
Kanji vs Ephraim (FE8) - Kanji.
Kanji vs Joshua (FE8) - Kanji.
Kanji vs Lun (S5) - Kanji.
Kanji vs LC Chan (S2) - Kanji.
Kanji vs Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII (MK) - Muppy.
Kanji vs Axl (MMXCM) - Kanji...I think? 
Kanji vs Yulie Ahtriede (WA4) - Yulie.
Kanji vs Ox (BoF1) - ...Kanji.

Meru (LoD) vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6) - Edgar.
Meru vs Lenus (LoD) - Meru.
Meru vs Jean (BoF2) - Meru.
Meru vs Zed (WA1) - zed
Meru vs Ephraim (FE8) - Meru
Meru vs Joshua (FE8) - Meru
Meru vs Lun (S5) - Meru
Meru vs LC Chan (S2) - Meru
Meru vs Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII (MK) - Muppy
Meru vs Axl (MMXCM) - Meru
Meru vs Yulie Ahtriede (WA4) - Yulie
Meru vs Ox (BoF1) - Meru

Golem (PKMN) vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6) - Edgar
Golem vs Lenus (LoD) - Lenus
Golem vs Jean (BoF2) - Jean
Golem vs Zed (WA1) - Zed
Golem vs Ephraim (FE8) - Golem
Golem vs Joshua (FE8) - Golem
Golem vs Lun (S5) - Golem
Golem vs LC Chan (S2) - Golem
Golem vs Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII (MK) - Muppy
Golem vs Axl (MMXCM) - Golem
Golem vs Yulie Ahtriede (WA4) - Yulie
Golem vs Ox (BoF1) - ...wow...uh...Ox
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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 5: Man, Meru runs laps around the other two.
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2009, 01:05:15 AM »
Meru (LoD) vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6): Blocks confuse, kills before Air Anchor nonsense can finish her.
Meru vs Lenus (LoD): Lenus is hax. Resisting Blue Sea Dragon doesn't do Meru any favours here.
Meru vs Jean (BoF2): Barely has enough MDef to make Death turn 2. After that, probably 3-2's and probably 3HKOs since Jean lacks Ice resistance.
Meru vs Zed (WA1): Fast boss with a 2HKO physical. Ouch.
Meru vs Ephraim (FE8): LANCE OF FIRE. Okay, probably not hyping that, but it OHKOs anyway!
Meru vs Joshua (FE8): Counters. Josh doesn't OHKO, but he does 2HKO, and Meru triggers a counter herself.
Meru vs Lun (S5): Lun 2HKOs and can null ice. Meru... should still be able to pull this out with Dragoon, though? Get 400 AP first turn, heal and attack from there... a double should come before Lun can take advantage of a Dragoon lapse and kill, so yeah.
Meru vs LC Chan (S2): Just avoids a OHKO, so does what she did against Lun. The HP makes it harder, granted... could be argued on this one.
Meru vs Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII (MK): MUPPY HAS FIRE DAMAGE THOUGH.
Meru vs Axl (MMXCM): Healing. Wild Jango is very close to a OHKO. If Ninetails weren't ITD, it would be a OHKO. But yeah, Axl vs. healer gets pretty ugly.
Meru vs Yulie Ahtriede (WA4): Too fast for Yulie to haste-heal out of trouble against.
Meru vs Ox (BoF1): Uh yeah.

Golem (PKMN) vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6): Confuse lock.
Golem vs Lenus (LoD): Ice magic.
Golem vs Jean (BoF2): Death. Hilariously, FRLG form probably wins this!
Golem vs Zed (WA1): Golem is just too tough against physicals for Zed, though it's fairly close.
Golem vs Ephraim (FE8): Enough evade, doubles, and a monster-slaying weapon possibly.
Golem vs Joshua (FE8): Lacks Eph's damage, so he lands two out of three Quakes and lives that long.
Golem vs Lun (S5): Fire magic? That'll work. No Earth res, either.
Golem vs LC Chan (S2): Physicals.
Golem vs Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII (MK): Muppy.
Golem vs Axl (MMXCM): Two Ninetails kill off Golem.
Golem vs Yulie Ahtriede (WA4): Earth res. Golem doesn't like this match even before then.
Golem vs Ox (BoF1): Awesome speed duel here. Anyway, Ox doesn't have enough shots of healing, and doesn't like Defence Curl.

Meru 8-4
Golem 6-6

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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 5: Man, Meru runs laps around the other two.
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2009, 01:10:57 AM »
Kanji Tatsumi (P4) vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6)- Status.
Kanji vs Lenus (LoD)- It's Lenus.
Kanji vs Jean (BoF2)- ID. He can tank a hit at worst, durability was like the one DL stat Jean has.
Kanji vs Zed (WA1)- WA1o.
Kanji vs Ephraim (FE8)- Is going first and doubling turn one. Kanji's tanking is obscene, but.. still no.
Kanji vs Joshua (FE8)- Evade fucks up Kanji's damage, and doubles mean that Joshua doesn't take forever to kill him.
Kanji vs Lun (S5)- Slugfest.
Kanji vs LC Chan (S2)
Kanji vs Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII (MK)
Kanji vs Axl (MMXCM)- Kneejerking that Kanji just tanks through everything Axl has.
Kanji vs Yulie Ahtriede (WA4)- Protect stops the OHKO.
Kanji vs Ox (BoF1)0 Faster and able to generally keep the pressure up otherwise.



Meru (LoD) vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6)- Air Anchor.
Meruvs Lenus (LoD)
Meru vs Jean (BoF2)- Meru has the crazy speed and MDef needed to handle this. Jean may be better off going for his physical.
Meru vs Zed (WA1)- I think? Zed may keep too much pressure on Meru, that first hit nearly kills her. Mmm. Meru attacks, Zed attacks, Meru morphs and heals, Zed... does he KO at this point? Probably not. Meru isn't OHKOing iwth Blue Sea Dragon on the other hand and is having to heal pretty often thanks to Zed's damage, his own speed should prevent a double at least for a while.
Eh screw it. *flips coin* Zed it is.
Meru vs Ephraim (FE8)- Yeah.
Meru vs Joshua (FE8)- Garcia may well have a better argument here than Joshua, which is pathetic. It's not close either way.
Meru vs Lun (S5)- Has good fire damage and can null water magic. Meru isn't winning with her physical.
Meru vs LC Chan (S2)- See Zed vs Meru pretty much. Zed and LC Chan are pretty comparable in general.
Meru vs Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII (MK)- Muppy.
Meru vs Axl (MMXCM)- Healing.
Meru vs Yulie Ahtriede (WA4)- OHKO with Sacrifice. That or haste/heal/outlast.
Meru vs Ox (BoF1)- I have no idea. Ox can resist Ice a little and almost certainly OHKOs Meru if he gets a turn with her out of Dragoon state. On the other hand, I buy Meru doubling right off the bat and she has healing/good damage in Blue Sea Dragon to keep the pressure up. Meru does... about 67% damage with BSD before Ox HP/elemetntal resisting. I'm not sure can even 2HKO here come to think of it. Blah. Damn it, Meru. Get some HP.

Golem (PKMN) vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6)- Confuse lock.
Golem vs Lenus (LoD)- OHKO. With Lenus 2. Excuse me, I'm going to go have a nervous breakdown now.
Golem vs Jean (BoF2)- ID immunity.
Golem vs Zed (WA1)- Zed.
Golem vs Ephraim (FE8)- Monster weakness more or less offsets the defense. Eph may well be doubling anyway.
Golem vs Joshua (FE8)- Defense should keep him alive.
Golem vs Lun (S5)- 2HKO with Explode.
Golem vs LC Chan (S2)- Haha.
Golem vs Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII (MK)
Golem vs Axl (MMXCM)- Defense curl makes Axl more emo than MM yaoi fanfic writers.
Golem vs Yulie Ahtriede (WA4)- PASS.
Golem vs Ox (BoF1)- Tanking.

Golem: 8-4
Kanji: 7-5
Meru: 4-8
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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 5: Man, Meru runs laps around the other two.
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2009, 03:33:05 AM »
Kanji Tatsumi (P4) vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6) - Status wins.
Kanji vs Jean (BoF2)  BoF2 Death is nasty.  Kanji hates this.
Kanji vs Yulie Ahtriede (WA4) - ...She goes first, gets off a Protect, and then everything goes downhill from there.  Kanji REALLY wants more speed.
Kanji vs Ox (BoF1) - He outslugs the less-than-memorable BoF1 fighter, though.
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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 5: Man, Meru runs laps around the other two.
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2009, 09:44:52 AM »
Kanji Tatsumi (P4) vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6)- Edgar. Confuse halving won’t cut it here.
Kanji vs Lenus (LoD)- Lenus
Kanji vs Jean (BoF2)- Jean. Faster turn 1.
Kanji vs Zed (WA1)- Zed. IDs
Kanji vs Ephraim (FE8)- Kanji. Basically same as below, except Ephraim probably need at least 4 attacks to kill for different reasons.
Kanji vs Joshua (FE8)- Kanji. Joshua’s normal 27% evasion shouldn’t break the 50% mark against Kanji, So Kanji will need 3 attacks to put him away, and Joshua needs 4 attack strings.
Kanji vs Lun (S5)- Kanji. OHKO.
Kanji vs LC Chan (S2)- Kanji
Kanji vs Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII (MK)- Muppy
Kanji vs Axl (MMXCM)- Kanji. Axl likes cutting through Kanji’s END! But Kanji just throws on more HP and lives easily anyways. At least Axl gets past Auto-Taru!
Kanji vs Yulie Ahtriede (WA4)- Kanji. Yulie can take 83% damage under Protect. Kanji does 84% if you fully factor in Auto-Tarukaja.  Granted, even if she wasn’t, she’s 88% speed, and Kanji is 78% turn one and average turn 2, so he’s insta lap anyways (And probably should for people who seem him slower on turn 3, which spells trouble for Yulie)
Kanji vs Ox (BoF1)- Kanji. Gut reaction of Ox being damaged when he kills Kanji.

Meru (LoD) vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6)- Edgar. He’s a bit below average, and Meru’s like 130% (And slower on the first turn probably too!) So no 3-2.
Meru vs Lenus (LoD)- Lenus
Meru vs Jean (BoF2)- Jean. Meru wishes LoD Mdef checked status (Although, it really already carried it’s weight in game!)
Meru vs Zed (WA1)- Zed. ID.
Meru vs Ephraim (FE8)- Ephraim. 
Meru vs Joshua (FE8)- Joshua.
Meru vs Lun (S5)- …Hmm, Lun steals off 2/3 of Meru’s damage the first turn. I don’t know, this fails for a M/H  theoretical match.
Meru vs LC Chan (S2)- LC Chan. 2HKOs Meru through Dragoon, likely 3HKOs through trying to stall with defend.
Meru vs Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII (MK)- Muppy
Meru vs Axl (MMXCM)- Meru.
Meru vs Yulie Ahtriede (WA4)- Well…both are doing far more damage now, but Yulie can still get in that insta-double. Not sure here.
Meru vs Ox (BoF1)- Hmm…Meru has a massive speed advantage, and can take one normal Ox physical (barely…). My head hurts again.

Golem (PKMN) vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6)- Edgar
Golem vs Lenus (LoD)- Lenus
Golem vs Jean (BoF2)- Golem
Golem vs Zed (WA1)- Golem
Golem vs Ephraim (FE8)- Ephraim
Golem vs Joshua (FE8)- Golem. Joshua wishes Earthquake was one of the attacks with 95% Accuracy, because then he’d evade one of the first two to me.
Golem vs Lun (S5)- Golem. Fire res
Golem vs LC Chan (S2)- LC Chan. Weak to fighting.
Golem vs Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII (MK)- Muppy
Golem vs Axl (MMXCM)- Axl
Golem vs Yulie Ahtriede (WA4)- Golem…Yulie has to manage within 3 Golem turns, or else she’s being Roll Outed to death. So say Haste+Let’s say 2 Physicals+1 Heal+Sacrifice. This does about 12500 to Golem, which isn’t even a kill point to the WA 4 average that most use. She could throw in a Protect, but Golem is killing turn 4 anyways, and that only lets her sneak in an extra physical.
Golem vs Ox (BoF1)- Golem. Defense Curl->Roll Out
Kanji 7-5 (2-4, 5-1) (Damn hard to beat in a pure slugfest, but he rolls over to status)
Golem 6-6 (3-3, 3-3) (Covers the IDers better than Kanji at least!)
Meru 1-8 (0-6, 1-2) (Wrong border, 51% PDur is horrid)
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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 5: Man, Meru runs laps around the other two.
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2009, 11:51:46 AM »
Meru (LoD) vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6) - Thinking
Edit - Edgar I guess with Air Anchor ID. Blue Sea Dragon is the strongest attack in LoD  barring the Psyche Bomb X but even so I'm not sure one shot of that and a Freezing Ring is enough to kill Edgar >_>
Meru vs Lenus (LoD)- Lenus isn't as hax with Sharanda/Meru in the party ^_~
Especially not her second form and/or with end game equips/skills factored in.
Meru vs Zed (WA1) - Non remake/Monster Z form? I'm not remembering the ID? <_<
Meru vs Lun (S5) - Pretty Hammer + Cool Boogie/Perky Step speed/healing combo hax yes.
Meru vs Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII (MK) - If I'm not allowing Meru liberties (turn one dragoon/dancer's equips) then I'm not allowing Muppy them either!
Meru vs Yulie Ahtriede (WA4)- Kinda leaning towards not allowing turn one dragoons for LoD characters at the moment. Dunno if that'd save Meru from Sacrifice OHKO anyway.
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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 5: Man, Meru runs laps around the other two.
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2009, 02:37:14 PM »
Kanji Tatsumi (P4) vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6)
Kanji vs Zed (WA1)
Kanji vs Ephraim (FE8): Still haven't decided on a new interp, so Eph is doubling and... Ephraim doubling. Ouch.
Kanji vs Joshua (FE8): Probably enough less damage and durability than Ephraim.
Kanji vs Yulie Ahtriede (WA4)

Golem (PKMN) vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6)
Golem vs Zed (WA1)
Golem vs Ephraim (FE8)
Golem vs Joshua (FE8)
Golem vs Yulie Ahtriede (WA4): Golem wishes Rollout was more accurate.
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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 5: Man, Meru runs laps around the other two.
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2009, 07:10:46 PM »
Kanji Tatsumi (P4) vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6)- Edgar fear no puny Heavy PCs >.>
Kanji vs Lenus (LoD)
Kanji vs Jean (BoF2)
Kanji vs Zed (WA1)
Kanji vs Ephraim (FE8)
Kanji vs Joshua (FE8)
Kanji vs Lun (S5)
Kanji vs LC Chan (S2)
Kanji vs Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII (MK)
Kanji vs Axl (MMXCM)
Kanji vs Yulie Ahtriede (WA4)- Sure, I'll bite on dhyer's numbers.
Kanji vs Ox (BoF1)- Kneejerking that Kanji needing to buff his first turn leads to Ox's healing prevailing.

6/12

Meru (LoD) vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6)
Meru vs Lenus (LoD)
Meru vs Jean (BoF2)
Meru vs Zed (WA1)
Meru vs Ephraim (FE8)
Meru vs Joshua (FE8)
Meru vs Lun (S5)- Weakness or no, Meru finally gets a chance to get a dragoon turn here >.>
Meru vs LC Chan (S2)
Meru vs Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII (MK)
Meru vs Axl (MMXCM)
Meru vs Yulie Ahtriede (WA4)
Meru vs Ox (BoF1)

7/12

Golem (PKMN) vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6)
Golem vs Lenus (LoD)
Golem vs Jean (BoF2)
Golem vs Zed (WA1)
Golem vs Ephraim (FE8)
Golem vs Joshua (FE8)
Golem vs Lun (S5)
Golem vs LC Chan (S2)
Golem vs Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII (MK)
Golem vs Axl (MMXCM)
Golem vs Yulie Ahtriede (WA4)
Golem vs Ox (BoF1)

7/12
« Last Edit: June 25, 2009, 07:35:29 PM by Cmdr_King »
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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 5: Man, Meru runs laps around the other two.
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2009, 07:31:46 PM »
Kanji Tatsumi (P4) vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6) - Noise Blast or Air Anchor or both bad news here. Not to mention POIZN of all things
Kanji vs Zed (WA1) - Heaven's Gate or whatever that ID move is. Will live past one Kanji turn and thus gets two shots at it at least.
Kanji vs Ephraim (FE8) - Doubles...that's not cool
Kanji vs Joshua (FE8) - Both Eph and Joshua double. Joshua has less damage although this is offset by Kanji's accuracy. Probably enough
Kanji vs Lun (S5) - Outslugs yeah
Kanji vs Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII (MK) - And here
Kanji vs Axl (MMXCM) - And most likely here. Hyper mode gives him an extra 2 turns though and if Kanji wants to use his best damage, he has to blow through his own HP. Kneejerking Kanji though.
Kanji vs Yulie Ahtriede (WA4) - Goes first, cast Protect.

Golem vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6) - Confuse Lock
Golem vs Zed (WA1) - uh...not thinking on this >_> Although its pretty damn sad! Zed without his ID and using his physicals against Golem defense *psyduck*
Golem vs Ephraim (FE8)
Golem vs Joshua (FE8) - I'll buy NEB's argument here.
Golem vs Lun (S5) - Magic!
Golem vs Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII (MK)
Golem vs Axl (MMXCM) - Never got Ninetales, but wasn't one of the transformations from Silver Horn Water >_>? Kneejerk is this way though
Golem vs Yulie Ahtriede (WA4) - Earth Res!
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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 5: Man, Meru runs laps around the other two.
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2009, 12:15:21 AM »
Kanji Tatsumi (P4) vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6)
Kanji vs Lenus (LoD)
Kanji vs Jean (BoF2): Death, then poke.
Kanji vs Zed (WA1)
Kanji vs Ephraim (FE8)
Kanji vs Joshua (FE8): Doubles and his evade is good vs. Kanji's accuracy.
Kanji vs Lun (S5)
Kanji vs LC Chan (S2)
Kanji vs Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII (MK)
Kanji vs Yulie Ahtriede (WA4)
Kanji vs Ox (BoF1): Think Ox's healing wins it for him.

Meru (LoD) vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6): She could immune confuse? Should probably make it to Dragoon then.
Meru vs Lenus (LoD)
Meru vs Jean (BoF2)
Meru vs Zed (WA1)
Meru vs Ephraim (FE8): OHKO
Meru vs Joshua (FE8): 2HKOs, FE doubles.
Meru vs Lun (S5)
Meru vs LC Chan (S2)
Meru vs Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII (MK)
Meru vs Yulie Ahtriede (WA4): Yulie in an attrition fight.
Meru vs Ox (BoF1): OHKOs. Edit: Or not
« Last Edit: June 26, 2009, 01:53:45 AM by Pyro »

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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 5: Man, Meru runs laps around the other two.
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2009, 12:18:07 AM »
Ox doesn't 2HKO average (initial stat topic post is misleading as it includes the weakness bonus from Ox's weapon vs. demons. I should edit that topic someday...), which means he doesn't OHKO Meru (who is just above 0.5 pdur). Thus Meru wins because she at worst 3HKOs and certainly 3-2's, so Ox either heals first turn and admits a lock, or tries to attack and dies.

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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 5: Man, Meru runs laps around the other two.
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2009, 12:39:44 AM »
Kanji Tatsumi (P4) vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6) - lol heavy pc
Kanji vs Lenus (LoD) - Actually a pretty good fight! Just... Kanji can't 2HKO her. He really needs to.
Kanji vs Jean (BoF2) - Death desu.
Kanji vs Zed (WA1) - Wow. Zed... doesn't even 4HKO Kanji with Auto-Raku. Kanji, however, 2HKOs Zed just fine, and I doubt Zed 4-2s.
Kanji vs Ephraim (FE8) - Eph's offense is -utterly nuts- when he doubles. As in "I two-turn Kanji" nuts unless he's wearing Auto-Raku. Big thing, though? Kanji is triggering counters. Doubled counters. Against Eph evade and pdur. That is -not- ending well.
Kanji vs Joshua (FE8) - Similar issues here, although Josh's offense isn't nearly as nutsy as Eph's. Kanji can try to Ziodyne Josh, but that's still facing evade and the damage is pretty bad.
Kanji vs Lun (S5) - Took him long enough. 2HKOs, isn't 2HKOed. Fire res may see use here, but it's probably inferior to just going for ubertank setup.
Kanji vs LC Chan (S2) - HA HA HA HA
Kanji vs Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII (MK) - Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah.
Kanji vs Axl (MMXCM) - ITD damage punches past Auto-Raku to me. Axl doesn't get OHKOed anyway, so he can just open the fight with a Ninetails and go invisible on the next - this means he could even get three NT turns maybe, but don't quite think so. Good match, though.
Kanji vs Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) - See Dhyer, I guess. I certainly remember crunching this and realizing Kanji sorta won.
Kanji vs Ox (BoF1) - Ox is trash. I'm not even sure if his healing is full and he has like three shots of it while Kanji threatens a Ziodyne/base physical heal-lock after Tarukaja. (Ox is like 110% average durability, people)

Meru (LoD) vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6) - Nevermind, Air Anchor desu.
Meru vs Lenus (LoD) - uhhhhhhhhhhhh
Meru vs Jean (BoF2) - Jean's Death hits MDef in-game. No dice for you.
Meru vs Zed (WA1) - -May be faster-, certainly 2HKOs through Dragoon. Hell, he may OHKO.
Meru vs Ephraim (FE8) - *Explosion.*
Meru vs Joshua (FE8) - *Crumbling.*
Meru vs Lun (S5) - LoD weakness was 2x damage? Uh, Lun -barely- OHKOs, then. Meru is more or less average mdur and Lun 2HKOs average durability. She also immunes Water, but that may not be too relevant here.
Meru vs LC Chan (S2) - LC Chan.
Meru vs Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII (MK) - Bye, Mups.
Meru vs Axl (MMXCM) - MAN.
Meru vs Yulie Ahtriede (WA4) - AHAHAHAHAHA FEAR YULIE THE UBERTANK
Meru vs Ox (BoF1) - Ox gets instadoubled against Meru to me and he doesn't OHKO her to begin with. And his durability isn't even great! Yeah. Downgrade.

Golem (PKMN) vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6) - PCness.
Golem vs Lenus (LoD) - Ice magic makes this particularly ugly. Otherwise, see what Lenus does to Kongol in-game.
Golem vs Jean (BoF2) - Needs more Desu. *Clubbed.*
Golem vs Zed (WA1) - Right! 2HKOs, isn't 4HKOed (...).
Golem vs Ephraim (FE8) - Three-turns and isn't 2HKOed!
Golem vs Joshua (FE8) - No such luck here.
Golem vs Lun (S5) - Lun can't wall Earth, so she gets 2HKOed and doesn't 2HKO herself. Fire resistance yay.
Golem vs LC Chan (S2) - Physicalling.
Golem vs Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII (MK) - Muppying.
Golem vs Axl (MMXCM) - Um.
Golem vs Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) - Um. Golem can't OHKO off the help. This just can't help.
Golem vs Ox - More Ox being junk.
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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 5: Man, Meru runs laps around the other two.
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2009, 01:27:42 AM »
Dragoons don't block ID, Snow.

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Meru vs LC Chan (S2) - LC Chan.

LC Chan's physical isn't godly (600~) but it's running off excellent speed/durabilty. Meru has to be extremely careful, since she can't blitz worth a damn against the durable and she's nearly dead before she even gets a turn.
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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 5: Man, Meru runs laps around the other two.
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2009, 01:34:08 AM »
I'll check more intently when I get home, then, editing posts in these computers are sort of a bitch. And I thought LC Chan was just sorta above average at speed and his Rune had some issues attached (I.e. he can heal-lock Meru, but not if she Dragoons), but I may be thinking Wakaba instead.
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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 5: Man, Meru runs laps around the other two.
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2009, 01:42:29 AM »
HIs physical is better than the rune.
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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 5: Man, Meru runs laps around the other two.
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2009, 01:44:15 AM »
Dear god, that's a pile of fail.
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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 5: Man, Meru runs laps around the other two.
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2009, 02:46:17 AM »
I'm not sure why almost OHKOing Meru helps. Turn 2, she goes dragoon and now takes 40% her normal damage, and heals. She can stay in Dragoon for four turns, blasting away with magic. LC Chan might be able to kill her if he isn't doubled on the turn Meru drops out of Dragoon since he has enough HP to wait this out, though, but he both needs the damage to be good enough to 2HKO with one shot hitting Dragoon AND for speed to fall his way despite being notably slower than Meru (if still above average).

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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 5: Man, Meru runs laps around the other two.
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2009, 08:04:22 AM »
Meru (LoD) vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6) - Dammit, Dragoons, block ID!
Meru vs Lenus (LoD) - The superior Water Dragoon.
Meru vs Jean (BoF2) - Think she can kill before the ID hits, allowing Meru's MDEF to actually do something.
Meru vs Zed (WA1) - Sounds right.
Meru vs Ephraim (FE8) - Hammers count as Axes for WTA, avoids OHKO and being doubled! LoD additions > FE counters hype is go!
Meru vs Joshua (FE8) - More LoD Additions > FE Counters hype.
Meru vs Lun (S5) - Water immunity sucks for Meru.
Meru vs LC Chan (S2) - LC Chan sucks and all.
Meru vs Yulie Ahtriede (WA4) - Going with the better healer.
Meru vs Ox (BoF1) - Meru insta-doubles!

Golem (PKMN) vs Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6)
Golem vs Lenus (LoD) - Dear god.
Golem vs Jean (BoF2)
Golem vs Zed (WA1)
Golem vs Ephraim (FE8)
Golem vs Joshua (FE8)
Golem vs Lun (S5)
Golem vs LC Chan (S2)
Golem vs Yulie Ahtriede (WA4)
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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 5: Man, Meru runs laps around the other two.
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2009, 09:55:17 AM »
Ox doesn't 2HKO average (initial stat topic post is misleading as it includes the weakness bonus from Ox's weapon vs. demons. I should edit that topic someday...)

Make a full lower level topic! (I finished at almost identical levels).

On LC Chan versus Meru, her problem her is that LC Chan does about 43% to average (Which is almost 84% to Meru). Now, that turns to about 34% to Dragoon Meru. If her healing was full, it might work, but 50% healing with your opponent is doing 32% damage, and you are near dead anyways isn't a great strategy. He'll probably still 3HKO through a shot of Dragoon healing (She uses two shots, and she can't use BSD anymore). And if she's getting the the 400 SP in an attack strategy, that's really hurting her non BSD damage. LC Chan even has some pretty awesome HP to make this match even harder for Meru.

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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 5: Man, Meru runs laps around the other two.
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2009, 02:22:00 PM »
She can't really rely on physicals for damage either, LC chan should have a damn good evasion rate and a counter at any point is probably death.
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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 5: Man, Meru runs laps around the other two.
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2009, 06:11:33 PM »
Yeah, the 400 SP strategy kills her physical anyway, she'd be using Freezing Ring for her offence, there. It is possible she'd run out, though...

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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 5: Man, Meru runs laps around the other two.
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2009, 06:29:10 PM »
She needs at least four freezing rings to win here, probably five. That gives her enough MP for three shots of healing.
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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 5: Man, Meru runs laps around the other two.
« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2009, 08:33:56 PM »
5 Freezing Rings is actually just a single shot of healing. 4 Freezing Rings is two (And she likely has to use healing both her 2nd and 3rd turns too).
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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 5: Man, Meru runs laps around the other two.
« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2009, 09:11:50 PM »
Rainbow Breath is only 20 MP? She has 50 MP left after five x 10 MP for Freezing Rings~

That leaves her with two shots of RB + an additional Freezing Ring left over ... unless there's something I'm missing here >_>
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