Hmm. Now that I'm in (and said manager says nothing about being a half hour late yay!), I can get down to my thoughts on people. And laying out a vote. Because sitting on one when I'm going to be here to see responses enough to remove if necessary (ie: proven wrong), is silly.
Tom - Day 1 was...a whole lotta nothing as per most everyone else. He did converse a bit, though, and explained his thoughts and rationale for leaving his vote on Strago.
Day 2:
D: Nooooo, our doc!
I'm more inclined to believe frame. Sure, it's WIFOM, but it just seems more likely to me. Given that it's Smodge. I reckon scum aimed for the frame, and got lucky with doc.. blah. No vote yet.
Honestly, I think it far more likely scum all screamed 'Kill Her Now Before She Finds Us!' and got 3 bird with one stone (while only aiming at 2 no less). No Ciato to gutfind them, no doc to help us and a nice WIFOM in front of Smodge. Scum are getting way too lucky this game. It bothers the heck out of me.
Not paying attention? Classic scumtell.
Do you know how hard I laughed at reading that? If there were EVER a time for pot/kettle that was it.
And I find it a bit suspicious that after the Touhou debacle (and in an earlier post you actually brough up that you were trying to change your playstyle a bit from things you learned there) that you'd go and do a grammar check on Smodge. (NOTE: This is
not an invitation to start the grammar topic up again. Just commenting that it was disturbing considering his previous comment) I know people who see spelling or grammar errors and literally MUST respond. I don't fault people for things like that. But a quick PM to someone instead of including it in a post both lets you advise on the correct way to say/spell something as well as does not start GrammarWars the likes of which were seen in Touhou. So far, you're reading far closer to the scum side of things than townie, but you're nowherenear my biggest contender for this. Bronze medal at worst.
Smodge: Honestly, you're doing better. This game I haven't seen anything that was more than just a little twitchifying. Now, this tells me one of two things. Either one, you're learning and this is a good thing. Or two, you're scum and your partner is helping. This is not a good thing. So, for your sake, I'm going to assume that you've either gotten someone to mentor you as per your suggestion in the general board or that you're just plain getting better. Because if it's the latter, then you've just set yourself up for hurt in future games when you go back to your old ways.
Carth - You know, you and the water mammal have the same quality when it comes to these games in my eyes. You both scare the (censored) out of me whether I'm town or scum. I end up re-reading everything I type regarding you two about a good dozen times to see where the obvious flaw is in my post because I *know* that as soon as I post you're snagging it, running with it, and I will nearly get myself killed for not noticing. You're both very rabid players. Not saying it's exactly
bad, but it does make me leery of targeting either of you...which is why I continue to force myself to do it. Because if I don't and you're scum, then I'll kick myself. But, you both scare me. You slightly less which is why I can actually call you by your name. My first mafia game was very nearly my last due to the water mammal's...tenacious grasp on my early messups as a townie. But, that aside, I digress...sorry, got lost in a tangent.
Day 1: As usual, Carth leads the fray in trying to start up a train so we actually get to talking in the Day 1 vacuum. Arguments for why gutclaims alone suck. Says he'd vote for Strago but hold off to prevent an early hammer to give him time to respond. Waits until enar time limit and then hammers. Nothing odd there. Day 2: Starts by misunderstanding Tom then figuring out what he was talking out. AND leads the 'if you hammer this sudden 3 votes, you're so dead' argument (which for the reference, I would fully enforce). Says he's not finding much on the case for Smodge to be scum. I rather agree with his points on this. And...*gasp* Votes me. For reasons I won't even touch (sleep =/= lurk). I was asleep which he pretty much said after a little while that he realized was the case. All in all, he's been very strong on trying to get people to talk. His comments have been relevant and as usual insightful. So, also as usual, I'm not finding much of anythin scummy about him and feel he's pretty townish. This proves nothing to me. Meme or not, history speaks for itself. But, I will not vote someone based on GOOD playing just because Hatbot hates them. As always, I'll be watching Carth closely.
Lady Door - Starts her day 1 with a vote on Strago for lurking. And rightfully so. Day 1 was...otherwise pretty contentless. Nothing big there. Not overly much to talk about and she kept her vote on a good target. Now, Day 2: The infmous vote. Now, I may regret this, but I will chalk that up to just what she said. Newness at watching vote counts in small games compared to VtM where she was also highly active and 3 votes were small change. Later removes the Smodge vote, but I've already touched on my thoughts about that. And her 1 post of content after that is filled with her reasoning behind the smodge vote. What I'd like from you is your thoughts on others please.
Alex - Up until he moves his vote from Smodge to Tom, everything look typical Alex. His line of reasoning is pretty straightforward (at least what he says is his reasoning *grin* He's just as good at bullogic as he is the real variety). And here is where it gets a little odd for me. He touches Tom's hot spot intentionally. Not saying it shouldn't be touched (and when I say hot spot, I am referring those things that Tom does that made my rantypost in my previous post appear), just that he moved from the realm of logic to the realm of pushing buttons that always seem to start the confusion cloud in these games. He does touch it was calm rational purpose and clear statement of intent, though, so I don't really see anything off about the push itself, just that it's a noticeable move to something that will always cause flares of temper from Tom. I'm getting not much of a read on Alex at all. Insert minirant here.
Corwin - Hmm. Looking over day 1 was rather interesting. He dropped a jokevote on my in his first post and then...did nada. No move to a serious vote. No comments on the Strago issue...or any issue for that matter. The only post of content the first day was saying that maybe a vote count would push people (himself include) into commenting. And then nothing. Now Day 2, on the other hand, is another story. There's a lot to say...and some of it I find more ringing bells than just commenting idly.
Specifically, LD. You led the charge here on this one right off the bat at the start of Day 2 and you've been steadily corralling the subject back to her each time it veers off onto Tom, Smodge or otherwise. To start with first posts first:
You're saying Strago and I lurked. Except my 'lurking' took place after I participated (admittedly, in day 1 posting) and then went to bed.
I wouldn't really call your Day 1 posts participating. I would call them very solidly 'Hi! I'm not lurking!' in nature. You did not comment on a
single issue. So, I would second LD's assertion that you lurked Day 1. I wouldn't say you were lurking today, mind you. But Day 1, yeah.
Now, the constant corraling back to LD I can see two ways. Looking at you for town, it's a very good idea to get people to stop waffling and pick a flipping target. Vote them, debate them, convince others, lynch them and move on. So, as a townie move, I can see the logic. But I would see it more if you also debated the other points people who are (in theory) doing the same thing you're doing are bringing up on others. But you seem very convinced that we need to look at LD, see how your arguments are compelling and lynch her. We'll deal with the rest later sort of mentality. This seems more of the scum reasoning for killing off a newbie. Why? Because it's easier to do than going after the experienced players who will be far more likely to catch you at it.
##Vote Corwin for more explainations. (to clarify, not your thoughts on LD, your thoughts on others)
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OK, started writing this when I got into work at 9:30. It's now nearly 3 hours later. I have actually done no work yet so no response from me until very much later this afternoon. But still before deadline.
