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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #125 on: August 03, 2009, 08:46:50 AM »
...........
I really should do a FFT fact center before I do an ogre one.

The 12 Lucavis from FFT consist the followings:

Belias
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Zebbeb
Hashmurim
Ultima
Sel
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Rophochehe
Adramelech
Cheraub
Leviathan

Their names are inscribed on the magic circle in the Ivalice letters if you look closely enough in FFT.

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« Reply #126 on: August 04, 2009, 11:25:58 AM »
God, Ivalice fails. -_-
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« Reply #127 on: August 04, 2009, 04:00:06 PM »
To comment on the whole FFT-FFXII continuity thing, there's an FFXII Journal entry that talks about the Church of St. Ajora. Can't quite remember which one it is, but I can go check through for it at some point, if anyone wants me to.

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« Reply #128 on: August 07, 2009, 02:20:10 PM »
Final Fantasy Tactics:

Miluda: 4/10. Interesting plot device, but not much of a villain.
Wiegraf: 7/10. Interesting to see him slowly fall apart, especially with that Rofel scene in WotL helping shed light on why he joined the Shrine Knights.
Golagros: ...who?  I've played FFT countless times and I don't even recognize this name...yeah, DNR.
Algus: 7/10. Despicable spoiled brat...which is exactly what they were aiming for, so yeah, not bad.
Gafgarion: 5/10.  A bit cliched and found him overall ineffective.
Delita: DNR.  personally feel this topic is meant for Antagonists (despite its name), and even then, I'm not convinced Delita is a "Bad Guy"; he's definitely *NOT* an antagonist in any sense of the word though.  For that reason, he gets a DNR; do note that i have immense respect for him as a character, I just can't see him as a villain.
Bart: 2/10.  2 scene wonder, and we get nothing out of them, huzzah!
Cardinal Draclau: 3/10. Cliche evil priest.
Zalmo: 2/10. Fails.
Izlude: 6/10. Decent enough anti-villain, but really felt he needed more scenes to be truly worth something.
Barinten: 2/10. HE SHOOTS MALAK! And does...like...nothing before or after that otherwise...yeah...
Celia: 4/10.  Gets a point for being fittingly creepy, but otherwise, has nothing.
Lede: 4/10.  See Celia.
Elmdor: 3/10. Cliche'd Silver Haired Baddy.  he does practically nothing but rant about EVIL!!! and otherwise is another guy for Vormav to Talk to and...uh, yeah, does nothing.
Dycedarg: 6/10. Despicable prick of an Elder Brother...who I felt had his whole KILLED HIS FATHER aspect rushed a bit.
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Vormav: 5/10.  Needed more of a personality other than "I'm the evil dude pulling all the strings."
Kletian: 1/10.  I wanna DNR him, but can't justify it, since its really just "DNR cause he fails"...so yeah, this works.  He's really just kind of there, says nothing, and does nothing worth noting...then you kill him after he rants about how he and Rofel are friends, which probably just existed so all the Yaoi Fangirls can have a field day with the Fanfic.
Rofel: 6/10.  Bland generic henchman...but honestly, felt like that's exactly what they WANTED him to be.  Nothing more, nothing less, so I give him points for that.
Balk: 3/10. I WILL BECOME GREATER THAN HUMANS!  Unfortunately, he fails to realize how you need more of a character to do that...
Altima: 3/10.  Interesting design but...is really just the "evil summoned monster!!!" cliche, and has nothing otherwise.  I'm not saying she's a Necron, mind, since we know of her, in a sense, just...you know, she's a pure plot device until she finally appears.

FFT has a lot of villains...except over half of them are essentially 2 scene wonders who exist as filler for bosses.  Really, this list could have been culled down dramatically.

Final Fantasy Tactics Advance:

Queen Remedi: 3/10.  Generic failure.
Mewt: 4/10.  I'll give him a point cause I think they succeeded at making us unable to sympathize with someone who thinks he deserves all the sympathy in the world, but is really just a spoiled brat.
Llendar: 2/10.   RAR! I'M THE SUPER MANIFESTATION OF MEWT'S HATE WHO EXISTS TO KILL ALL!!! ...wait, what was his plot again?
Cid: 5/10.  He's...kind of...likable?
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #129 on: August 11, 2009, 04:59:42 PM »
Is this getting updated?  I'd like to see the next round!
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #130 on: August 11, 2009, 05:16:49 PM »
Yes, today or tomorrow. I left it open double-time since it fell over DLcon, but it's do to update now.
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #131 on: August 11, 2009, 05:17:26 PM »
This also means last call for getting your votes in.
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« Reply #132 on: August 11, 2009, 06:17:37 PM »
Final Fantasy Tactics:

Miluda: 8/10. See Tai, basically. Really felt like she was what started Ramza's turn away from the nobles. Just because someone wasn't around for long doesn't mean they can't be good with what time they had.
Wiegraf: 7/10. Ugh. Great early stuff. Then space flea.
Golagros: 5/10. Existed purely to serve as a foil to Wiegraf and show how much Wiegraf's ideals meant to him.
Algus: 9/10. Pulls off the hatable villian very well.
Gafgarion: 7/10. Good, solid soulless merc. He did what he had to do for himself and that's it.
Delita: 9/10. Became that which he hated. Very well told story there.
Bart: 3/10. Was there purely to let the Cardinal be eviler.
Cardinal Draclau: 5/10. Had a nice "ahaha I'm not really on your side" plot twist of sorts. Then loses a point for introducing space flea plot.
Zalmo: 6/10. More comparable to Gaff then anyone else, I think. Just doing his job, it's just that his job happens to be fanatically hunting down heretics. Especially ones named Ramza.
Izlude: 7/10. Needed more screentime, should have been a PC dammit.
Barinten: 8/10. Douche Ex Machina indeed. Could have been a great primary villian, frankly. Just, uh, got hijacked by space flea plot. +2 points for most hilarious death scene ever.
Celia: 3/10. Was there, point for style.
Lede 5/10. Was there, point for style, +2 points for being the one to throw Barinten off the roof.
Elmdor: 3/10. Was there, point for "wait, weren't you already dead?" (Note: I read the Brave Story compulsively my first time through, so saw the bit about him dieing from a stray arrow before he showed back up)
Dycedarg: 10/10. Magnificent bastard.
High Priest Funeral: 3/10. Was there...except mostly not actually.
Vormav: 7/10. Point for being REALLY evil, but mostly just a space flea.
Kletian: 3/10. Existed? Kinda? Okay not really.
Rofel: 5/10. Existed more then Kletian. Funny name + pulling off some badassrey...AFTER you beat him...gets him a couple points.
Balk: 4/10. Extra point just for his second fight being that nuts.
Altima: 4/10. No Alma, you are the space fleas.

Final Fantasy Tactics Advance:

Queen Remedi: 3/10. Pain in the ass to fight, but eh otherwise.
Mewt: 1/10. Unlike Algus, Mewt does not pull off the "so hatable he's good". No, Mewt is just as hatable as Algus, but not in a good way. He's really just pathetic.
Llendar: 1/10. -_-
Cid: 4/10. Best character in FFTA? Possibly? How sad.

Final Fantasy Tactics Advance 2:

Illua: 6/10. Owned by book+feeds great lines to Cid/Luso is worth a 6, sure.
Ewen: 2/10. I'd forgotten he existed between when I put the game down and picked it back up a couple months later.
Neukhia: 4/10. MOAR SPACE FLEAS!
Duke Snakeheart: 7/10. Is Super and thus hilarious.
Maquis: Haven't seen enough of his stuff to rank him yet.
Alys: 7/10. Status herself to "make herself stronger" merging gameplay and plot(though she's wrong on it actually making her stronger) gets her a couple of points.
Night Dancer: 7/10. TRANNY BANGAA.
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #133 on: August 11, 2009, 08:29:13 PM »
Final Fantasy Tactics:

Miluda: 5/10; Performs her role adequately. Nothing special, nothing bad.
Wiegraf: 7/10; Needed some more time, but was a solid villain.
Golagros: 5/10; Did his job, etc.
Algus: 8/10; Absolute prat who served as wonderful catalyst for making you more sympathetic of Miluda/Wiegraf and Co.
Gafgarion: 6/10; Does his job fine. Has some good work, but not overly shiny.
Delita: 9/10; Wonderfully developed figure who, even if not a direct villain to this game, falls categorically close enough to being a villain/antagonist/bad guy that he earns his keep.
Bart: 4/10; Not bad enough to warrant a bad score but... uh...
Cardinal Draclau: 5/10; Did his job. Nothing overly good. Nothing overly bad.
Zalmo: 5/10; See above, really.
Izlude: 8/10; I'm shameless in admitting I like Izlude and thought his character was well done, as well finding his demise to be one of the sadder ones. A nice take on the well intentioned extremist in that he doesn't get totally duped.
Barinten: 5/10; Like many of the sideliners, he did his job just fine, but didn't stand out in particular.
Celia: 3/10; See Elmdor
Lede: 3/10; See Elmdor
Elmdor: 3/10; Tried to be a major villain, but didn't... do... anything, really.
Dycedarg: 8/10; Wonderful twat. Much more sinister and cruel than Algus, but doesn't quite feed as well into the petty vindicativeness as well.
High Priest Funeral: ...uh...
Vormav: 5/10; Gets a non-...uh... response for killing Izlude.
Kletian: ...uh...
Rofel: ...uh...
Balk: ...uh...
Altima: ...uh...

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #134 on: August 12, 2009, 05:27:21 PM »
Okay, this round's rankings are closed. I'll have the results up tonight or in the morning.
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #135 on: August 13, 2009, 05:54:05 AM »
The results are in!

Final Fantasy Tactics:

Miluda: 6.23, 13 rankers. (2 DNR.)
Wiegraf: 6.36, 15 rankers.
Golagros: DNR (4.5, 6 rankers.)
Algus: 6.90, 15 rankers.
Gafgarion: 6.67, 14 rankers (1 DNR)
Delita: 9.04, 12 rankers. (3 DNR)
Bart: DNR (3.2, 5 rankers.)
Cardinal Draclau: 4.10, 15 rankers.
Zalmo: 4.66, 12 rankers. (3 DNR)
Izlude: 6.66, 12 rankers. (3 DNR)
Barinten: 5.00, 14 rankers. (1 DNR)
Celia: DNR (4.00, 7 rankers.)
Lede: DNR. (4.28, 7 rankers.)
Elmdor: 3.66, 12 rankers. (3 DNR)
Dycedarg: 7.86, 15 rankers.
High Priest Funeral: DNR (3.66, 6 rankers.)
Vormav: 5.85, 14 rankers.
Kletian: DNR (3.42, 7 rankers.)
Rofel: 5.16, 12 rankers. (1 DNR)
Balk: 4.05, 10 rankers. (3 DNR)
Altima: 3.91, 12 rankers. (1 DNR)

Final Fantasy Tactics Advance:

Queen Remedi: 3.00, 8 rankers. (1 DNR)
Mewt: 2.44, 9 rankers.
Llendar: 2.75, 8 rankers. (1 DNR)
Cid: DNR. (4.00, 3 rankers.)

Final Fantasy Tactics Advance 2:

Illua: 5.00, 3 rankers.
Ewen: 2.66, 3 rankers.
Neukhia: DNR. (4.00, 2 rankers.)
Duke Snakeheart: 6.00, 3 rankers.
Maquis: 7.5, 2 rankers.
Alys: 6.33, 3 rankers.
Bangaa: 7.66, 3 rankers.

More coming in the next post.
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #136 on: August 13, 2009, 06:18:05 AM »
Top ten highest ranked villains:
1. Delita(FFT): 9.04, 12 rankers. (3 DNR)
2. Dycedarg(FFT): 7.86, 15 rankers.
3. Bangaa(FFTA2): 7.66, 3 rankers.
4. Jecht(FFX): 7.30, 15 rankers. (3 DNR)
5. Reno(FF7):  7.21, 21 rankers.
6. Rufus(FF7): 6.97, 21 rankers.
7. Algus(FFT): 6.90, 15 rankers.
8. Sin(FFX): 6.87, 16 rankers. (3 DNR)
9. Gilgamesh(FF5): 6.84, 13 rankers.
10. Doctor Cidolfus Demen Bunansa(FF12): 6.72, 11 rankers.

Top ten lowest ranked villains
1. Zemus/Zeromus(FF4): 1.88, 17 rankers.
2. Necron(FF9): 2.13, 22 rankers.
3. Adel(FF8): 2.33, 18 rankers. (1 DNR)
4. Mewt(FFTA): 2.44, 9 rankers.
5t. Milon(FF4): 2.60, 15 rankers (3 DNRs)
5t. Lani(FF9): 2.60, 20 rankers. (2 DNR)
7. Ewen(FFTA2): 2.66, 3 rankers.
8. Llendar(FFTA): 2.75, 8 rankers. (1 DNR)
9. Hein(FF3): 2.83/DNR, 6 rankers.
10t. Valvalis(FF4): 2.86, 15 rankers (3 DNRs)
10t. Thorn/Zorn(FF9): 2.86, 19 rankers. (3 DNR)

The denizens cursed to live beneath Zenny's bed:

Baigan: DNR (2.2, 10 voters.)
Jenova: DNR (3.00, 12 rankers.)
Edea: DNR (4.8, 10 rankers.)
Beatrix: DNR (5.83, 10 rankers.)
Golagros: DNR (4.5, 6 rankers.)
Bart: DNR (3.2, 5 rankers.)
Celia: DNR (4.00, 7 rankers.)
Lede: DNR. (4.28, 7 rankers.)
High Priest Funeral: DNR (3.66, 6 rankers.)
Kletian: DNR (3.42, 7 rankers.)
Cid: DNR. (4.00, 3 rankers.)
Neukhia: DNR. (4.00, 2 rankers.)

Those who couldn't even find Zenny's room:

Kain(1.0, 1 vote)
Tunnel Armor(10, 1 vote)
Yuffie(4.0, 1 vote)
The Occuria(5.33, 3 votes)
Dycedarg's Elder Brother(10.00, 1 vote.)
Professor Daravon(10.00, 1 vote.)
Marche(10.00, 1 vote.)

Games ranked:

FF1, FF2, FF3, FF4, FF5, FF6, FF7, FF8, FF9, FF10, FF12, FFT, FFTA, FFTA2.

That round was crazy. FFT got a lot of debate, FFTA was kinda there and FFTA2 was barely voted on filler. At least I got it out of the way on an otherwise busy session. Delita absolutely creamed everyone else on the top ten villains list and may be in number 1 for good. It's going to be damned hard to beat a 9.xx. Dycedarg's 2nd and he's a full point behind him.

Let's change gears here. There's other RPGs out there in the gaming world, like the Wild Arms series! Lets do them now.

Wild Arms 1:

(Note: I'm using the WA1 names but feel free to consider ACF. I'm not going to rank ACF separately. Use your own judgment and post only one rating, please.)

Belselk
Alhazad
Zed
Boomerang
Luceid
Lady Harken
Zeikfried
Mother

Wild Arms 2:

Ptolomea
Judecca
Antenora
Caina
Vinsfeld
Lord Blazer

Wild Arms 3:

Melody
Malik
Leehalt
Janus
Asgard
Siegfried
Beatrice
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #137 on: August 13, 2009, 06:58:10 AM »
Belselk - 4, Generic idiot lackey who gets things done through destruction, gains a bonus point for trying to set up a trap only to have it backfire miserably.
Alhazad - 6, Generic mad scientist archetype?  Plays mind games with the heroes often and created Harken which makes him not quite as bad.
Zed - DNR, Comic relief and is too good natured deep down to really actually do anything bad in the game.
Boomerang - 8, has his own agenda throughout the game, and is badass.
Luceid - 1, is Lucied.
Lady Harken - 9, I personally loved the way she interacted with Jack during the game, she is also the WOMB OF DESTRUCTION, gets a bonus point for getting her own battle theme in ACF.
Zeikfried - 2 never really does much of anything really, is also stupid and beams the team right into the Gate generator instead of just blowing them up.
Mother - 5 not terrible, but not great either.

Wild Arms 2:

Ptolomea - 4, kind of forgettable.
Judecca - 1, is supposed to be deadly and a bad ass but fails to kill Tim and an injured Kanon in duels and generally runs crying like a scrub with excuses when he loses, and yet you really never feel anything about him, Kartikeya fills this role much better.
Antenora - 8, her whole plot for revenge was very interesting, she was the only Cocytus member that really felt like she had a Legitimate reason for wanting to be in the group, definitely the most well done of them imo.
Caina - 3, mostly just seemed to be there for his abilities with Randolph, the kidnapping of Marina seemed rather tacked on to me.
Vinsfeld - 2, Generic Wild Arms lead villain whose weaker then his underlings? yup.
Lord Blazer - 3, his presence is always there, and yet, his presence is never really there.
Adding one who is a ridiculous spoiler:
Irvine Vold Valeria - 10, his abilities at manipulation are just crazy, while his being an actual villain may be in question, he did fund Odessa and was the second to last fight in the game.  The way he managed to get everyone to do exactly as he wanted is rather mind boggling.

Wild Arms 3:

Melody - 3, meh.
Malik - 4, not really memorable, but at least he loves his mom.
Leehalt - 2, WA bad guy leader with the least development again, yup.
Janus - 4, tries too hard to be a badass.
Asgard - 7, The way he developed was rather unique, also is Asgard.
Siegfried - 2, Like Ziekfried in WA1, is stupid and doesn't really do much of anything.
Beatrice - 8, Is present for the entire story, even if it's not readily obvious until the game is almost over.  I would probably see her as being just as good as the spoiler from WA2 if she had actually been more present in the rest of the game in some way.

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #138 on: August 13, 2009, 02:55:45 PM »
Wild Arms 1:

Belselk 5/10: Exists, does his job, puts up good fights and dies well.  But... that's really it, isn't it?
Alhazad 6/10: Like Belselk but with a better laugh/scheming.
Zed 9/10: One of my favorite "joke" villains, not least because both in plot and gameplay he's not JUST a joke.
Boomerang 8/10: Shadow as a villain.  Cool, but cool and interesting fights are all he's got.
Luceid 5/10: Interceptor as a villain.  More interesting in some of his later appearances, I think.
Lady Harken 8/10: Tragic AND cool, but NOT an interesting fight.  Would be higher if I ignored gameplay.
Zeikfried 8/10: Presence, fair-to-middling battles, and a great series of double-crosses with Mother.
Mother 5/10: Space flea.  But, she has presence and her stabbing her "children" in the back actually makes her interesting.

Wild Arms 2:

Ptolomea 4/10: Belselk, but played for sympathy, sort of.  Meh.  Also, unlike WA1, in WA2 the named character bosses were usually much easier than the non-named characters.
Judecca 5/10: Easy to kill, not much of a character, but he had more personality than Ptolomea.
Antenora 7/10: Very cool plot and actually a semi-decent fight at least once.  Point for wielding the same weapons as Walter in Helsing, albeit not nearly as well.
Caina 7/10: Interesting plot, she reminds me of an inverse protagonist.  Also, decent fights.
Vinsfeld 8/10: Awesome.  His Pure Ideals will triumph over any adversity.  Would be a 10 for pure entertainment value if his fight didn't suck so, so much.  Dammit, Little Vins!  Why do you fail so hard?
Lord Blazer 5/10: Wild ARMs knows how to do space fleas right (or did in the PS1 era, anyway).  Has presence, looming threat through the whole game, one of the best final battle SCENES ever (albeit a plot battle).
Liz 9/10: How can you have -Trash- like Golagros and omit not one but TWO of the great joke villains of all time?!  Liz is hilarious and he and Ard also put up very good fights, unlike most WA2 named bosses.
Ard 7/10: Liz's straight man (well, straight lizard).  Gets points for being his partner's comic foil and for being part of some very good fights.
Do We Really Need to Hide Irving When He's From An Almost Decade-Old Game? 10/10: One of the greatest villains in any game, assuming you count him as a villain.  A magnificent bastard whose spectacular Xanatos Gambit ends up basically justified in the end, incredible presence, some great lines and even greater scenes.  Easily at least as much a villain as Delita and more of an antagonist - and arguably an even better character.

Wild Arms 3:

Melody 4/10: Obsessed with Clive (or with Clive not being obsessed with her) but... meh, I dunno.  Not a fan of these three and she's not that tough of a fight.
Malik 5/10: Mommy issues aside, provides a much better fight than Melody.
Leehalt 6/10: A point over his peers mostly for presence, although he's only really dangerous if you don't catch on to his gimick.
Janus 7/10: Entertaining, reasonably challenging on the first playthrough.
Asgard 7/10: Shit-ton of presence and some reasonably tough fights.
Siegfried 3/10: Like WA1 Ziek, except with no awesome multiple double-crosses, fewer lines, and goes down like a chump.  Also, only fights Maya to a standstill.  So... really not like WA1 Ziek in any way shape or form, I guess?
Beatrice 3/10: Creepy, but that's about all she has going for her.
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #139 on: August 13, 2009, 05:09:24 PM »
Liz and Ard should've been included, but they completely escaped my attention. Feel free to write them in, people.

Wild Arms 1:

Belselk: 4/10. I refuse to be teleported! That's about it.
Alhazad: 4/10. Eh. Never really breaks into interesting.
Zed: 1/10. Stupid gimmick and an irritation.
Boomerang: 5/10. Eh.
Luceid: 3/10. Luceid.
Lady Harken: 6/10. Harken has some good drama with Jack. Works for me.
Zeikfried: 4/10.
Mother: 4/10.

Wild Arms 2:

Ptolomea: 5.5/10. I like him but not in any way that can be defended.
Judecca: 2/10. Pyscho twat. Being a nut doesn't make you  interesting.
Antenora: 8/10. She works for what she is.
Caina: 3/10. Eh. No real opinion.
Vinsfeld: 8/10. I like Vinsfeld despite all his failure. He's a dupe but he's a fun dupe.
Lord Blazer: 7/10. Incredible final battle and music. Wins.
Liz: 2/10
Ard: 2/10. Stupid gimmicks.
Irving Vold Valeria: 10/10. Yeah, I'll rank him too. Why not? WA2 makes a lot more sense when you understand Irving's role and he pulls it off almost to perfection.

Wild Arms 3:

Melody: 3.5/10
Malik: 4/10: Gets points for a creepy mother fetish.
Leehalt: 2/10
Janus: 3/10 Cocky twit. The extra plot fight against him does him more harm than good.
Asgard: 5/10. Eh.
Siegfried: 2/10.
Beatrice: 3/10. Three points for foreshadowing.
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #140 on: August 13, 2009, 05:17:11 PM »
Wild Arms 1:

Belselk: 2/10. Rar generic.
Alhazad: 7/10. Evil bastard.
Zed: 7/10 Amusing.
Boomerang: 7/10. Style.
Luceid: 2/10. Not exactly a shining example of personality.
Lady Harken: 4/10. Uh. Kind of fails all over the place but at least they tried and she was imposing before you ever fought her.
Zeikfried: 7/10. "Hey waitaminute, having the world destroyed is Not Cool." A rare realization and then a working plot to overthrow the maniac. Good stuff. Loses a point for later failure.
Mother: 1/10, Rar I am the space fleas.
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #141 on: August 13, 2009, 05:20:05 PM »
Wild Arms 1:

(Note: I'm using the WA1 names but feel free to consider ACF. I'm not going to rank ACF separately. Use your own judgment and post only one rating, please.)

Belselk - 3/10 - Terribly incompetent. Not threatening or fearsome. Fails to seal the deal.
Alhazad - 6/10 - Hurr hurr I experiments. At least he feels the most threatening of my enemies!
Zed - DNR - You're a villain?
Boomerang - 4/10 - Too honourable. Also, seriously Boomerang, you just want to fight me... get some nefarious plot to back you please. ;9
Luceid - 1/10 - Bark bark. Woof.
Lady Harken - 7/10 - Swoooooooord Princessssssss.
Zeikfried - 7/10 - Backstabbing your leader just so you can take-over the world after all? Somehow, I found you a bit sympathetic, and cool.
Mother - 1/10 - Get some personality.

Wild ARMs 2:

Lord Blazer - 8/10 - LOHDO BULAZURU~~~~~~~~

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #142 on: August 13, 2009, 05:46:43 PM »
Wild Arms 1:

(Disclaimer - Only played WA1o, so if ACF made these guys fail less, I wouldn't know)

Belselk - Gades with a different name.  Booooooring.  1/10
Alhazad - God man did you even do anything?  1/10
Zed - A more good-natured Gilgamesh, only it didn't really come off as well.  Still somewhat amusing, though!  And still better than the rest of this shit.  5/10
Boomerang - Some guy.  1/10
Luceid - His dog.  1/10
Lady Harken - Slightly less boring than Belselk and Alhazad!  Says little, I know, but it brings her up a point.  2/10
Zeikfried - Hey it's the guy who tried to rebel against Mother, making him more interesting than the other Quarter Knights!  Still not that great overall.  4/10.
Mother - And more failure.  1/10

Wild Arms 2:

Ptolomea - Eh, he was alright, though not really that interesting.  4/10
Judecca - Babies taste good.  Wasn't even all that competent, either.  1/10
Antenora - Probably the most interesting motivation out of all the Cocytus members!  5/10
Caina - Boring.  1/10
Vinsfeld - Ideals!  Yeah, unwitting dupes are fun.  6/10
Lord Blazer - Probably would've worked better if the game weren't translated by drunk, blind idiots, though.  4/10
Liz - Basically a more relevant Ultros, and is awesome.  7/10.
Ard - Is Liz's lackey, and is therefore awesome by association.  7/10
Irving Vold Valeria - I'll nth the hype.  9/10
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« Reply #143 on: August 13, 2009, 05:57:06 PM »
I can't vote on these, but just a request? On the Top/Bottom 10 lists, think you could add the game those characters are from as well please? :)

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« Reply #144 on: August 13, 2009, 06:03:08 PM »
I can't vote on these, but just a request? On the Top/Bottom 10 lists, think you could add the game those characters are from as well please? :)

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #145 on: August 14, 2009, 12:34:42 AM »
Wild Arms 1:

Belselk - 3/10.  Was big and smashed stuff.
Alhazad - 6/10.  Decent mad scientist character.
Zed - Not a villain.
Boomerang - 2/10.  Fell way short of his hype, and his interaction with the PCs was kinda boring.
Luceid - 3/10.  In theory a Guardian who sided with one of the demons could make for a very interesting character.  Unfortunately he never really did anything with it, in or out of combat.
Lady Harken - 6/10.  Started off as a strong villain, but eventually just became the damsel for Jack to rescue kill.
Zeikfried - 8/10.   Saving the world so he can take it over.
Mother - 5/10.  While she didn't have much in the way of motivation, I think that the scene with her in the crashed Photosphere did a good job of presenting her as a truly monstrous force.

Wild Arms 2:

Ptolomea - 4/10.  Can't remember much about him other then caring for his men.  If I knew why he was with the villains I might rank him higher.
Judecca - 1/10.  Lost a duel to Tim back when he barely had any power.  That's just sad.
Antenora - 7/10.  Crazy, but in an interesting way.
Caina - 2/10.  The only things I remember about Caina are a key and wanting to get in Vinsfeld's pants.  I'm not even sure about gender here.
Vinsfeld - 5/10.  He had high ideals and saw the world governments as corrupt!  I'm not entirely sure what those ideals are or what he objected to, but he had those ideals, dang it!
Lord Blazer - 3/10.  Was just kinda there for most of the game.
Valeria - 9/10.  Woohoo!  A character with clear motivations, and grand plan, and the ability to pull it off.  Top marks for that.  Then he lost a point for sleeping with his sister.  Ew...
Liz - 7/10.  Kinda funny, but he probably would have been a lot better with a decent translation.
Ard - 3/10.  Was big and said "Ard" a lot.

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #146 on: August 14, 2009, 12:52:10 AM »
Wild Arms 1:

(Note: I'm using the WA1 names but feel free to consider ACF. I'm not going to rank ACF separately. Use your own judgment and post only one rating, please.)

Belselk - 3/10 Smashy and mean.
Alhazad - 5/10 Experiments, actually came off as decently nasty.
Zed - 7/10 Barely a villain, but somewhat funny and pretty memorable, and still not a total pushover despite it.
Boomerang - 2/10 Eh.
Luceid - 2/10 Eh and his dog.
Lady Harken - 6/10 Kind of cool and different.
Zeikfried - 7/10 Actually does some interesting things with the betrayal to conquer the world instead of wrecking it.
Mother - 4/10 Space flea, but somewhat threatening.


Wild Arms 3:

Melody - 3/10 Weird arrogant chick and that's it.
Malik - 4/10 Pretty damn crazy. That's it really. Also, chicken man, I guess.
Leehalt - 4/10 Kind of a mastermind, without really being one. Manipulates while being manipulated by someone who's manipulated.
Janus - 3/10 Bottom of the manipulation scale. Also kind of a punk.
Asgard - 5/10 Cool robot with character development and stuff.
Siegfried - 4/10 Got kind of lame since WA1, but still
Beatrice - 8/10 Actually a really interesting manipulator at times. Needed more exposure though.
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #147 on: August 14, 2009, 01:27:44 AM »
Caina - 2/10.  The only things I remember about Caina are a key and wanting to get in Vinsfeld's pants.  I'm not even sure about gender here.

There's actually a good reason for that.  Caina was a boy in the Japanese version, but was changed to female for the US version.

In either case, I find your lack of Randolph the Magic Key hype disturbing.
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« Reply #148 on: August 14, 2009, 01:53:30 AM »
Belselk: 5/10. Refuses to be teleported! Amusing in ACF, but nothing more.
Alhazad: 7/10. Suitably creepy and sinister.
Zed: 7/10. A scarf blowing in the wind! True power!
Boomerang: 1/10. No.
Luceid: DNR. Woof.
Lady Harken: 5/10. Guess she's okay.
Zeikfried: 4/10. His double cross is awesome, but that's all he has going for him.
Mother: 2/10. Rar.

Wild Arms 2:

Ptolomea: 6/10. Contrasts with the rest of Odessa well. Doesn't go the extra step, though.
Judecca: 3/10. Mm, babies.
Antenora: 3/10. Stupid.
Caina: 3/10. Doesn't even get points for being a rare gay character in an RPG because Sony of America are a bunch of twits.
Vinsfeld: 6/10. PURE IDEALS. Liked his role in the plot rather than he himself.
Lord Blazer: Um. 2/10, very random.
Liz: 7/10. Very amusing.
Ard: 7/10. Liz.
Irving: 9/10. Good stuff.

Wild Arms 3:

Melody
Malik
Leehalt

The Prophets are so weird. Individually they are dislikable people, but as a group they are very effective and feel like a villainous "party" to oppose the PCs. They have more interaction and development than PC parties in some other games, honestly. Weird case. Today I'll give them all 6/10, on balance.

Janus: 3/10. He's sort of the prophets' annoying, arrogant younger brother. He was fine in Chapter 1, though not special, but as time wore on he just became grating, as well as increasing lulsy in battle.
Asgard: 6/10. Pretty cool.
Siegfried: 6/10. Suitable presence as a big bad, good interaction with the Prophets.
Beatrice: 8/10. Wonderful manipulator, everything kinda fell into place when she entered the scene.

Maya: 8/10. Excellent foil for Virginia.
Todd: 7/10. AFROMAN.
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« Reply #149 on: August 16, 2009, 02:52:57 AM »

Wild Arms 1:

Belselk: 4/10. Refuses to be teleported, yeah. That was funny, but it's all he's got. Otherwise a stock, but inoffensive, bruiser.
Alhazad: 5/10. Sufficiently odd to leave an impression.
Zed: 7/10. Quite entertaining.
Boomerang: 3/10. Meh.
Luceid: DNR. Has no presence outside of "dog that fights with Boomerang."
Lady Harken: 6/10. Not objectively a great villain, but far too much my style to get a lower rating.
Zeikfried: 4/10. The Photosphere gambit was neat, but he's fairly boring outside of that and also marred by the Mother fusion.
Mother: 4/10. Ruins the plot, but the aesthetics are admirably weird and I actually like the idea behind her. She just needed to not be in the second half of the game.

Wild Arms 2:

Ptolomea: 5/10. Yeah, he's okay.
Judecca: 3/10. Inept and stupid. What kind of terrorist loses to Tim?
Antenora: 6/10. Completely nuts, but at least in a novel fashion.
Caina: 6/10. Sure. While I wouldn't call most of WA2's cast great, they do succeed at being memorable.
Vinsfeld: 5/10. Less intriguing than most of his subordinates. I guess how laughable he is is worth a few points, though.
Lord Blazer: 3/10. Meh. Yeah, they build up to him, but his screen presence derives solely from the music and I'm not sure I can give him credit for that.
Irving: 10/10. Is the saving grace of WA2. Clearly took lessons from *Watchmen spoilers*.

Wild Arms 3:

Melody/Malik/Leehalt: 7/10. Yeah, ranking them together. I've always liked that (despite their individual obsessions) the Prophets are essentially fighting for survival--it's just that their survival happens to be mutually exclusive with the rest of the world's.
Janus: 6/10. Is a toolbox, but it's funny just how badly he gets owned.
Asgard: 8/10. Because I'm a sucker for A.I. characters and this is one of the better examples in videogames.
Siegfried: 4/10. Always found him pretty dull, honestly.
Beatrice: 8/10. Could've felt tacked-on, but all the pieces are there to make her fit with the rest of the plot--you just don't recognize them as such until much later. The cameos were nice.

Schroedinger Collective: 8/10. Yeah, they're fun.

I like WA3's cast probably more than some of them deserve, but eh. The game's a personal favorite.