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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #75 on: July 20, 2009, 12:54:45 AM »
Seymour Guado 5/10
Sin 5/10
Yu Yevon 5/10
Mika 5/10
Kinoc 5/10
Yunalesca 5/10
Jecht 6/10
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #76 on: July 20, 2009, 02:36:42 AM »
Final Fantasy X:

Seymour Guado - 6/10 - I never really loved to hate him. I got mildly annoyed at the marriage plot, which only seemed to serve to highlight that Yuna and Tidus were adolescent drama queens who couldn't accept reality because 'they were in lo~ove'. This bothered me as I liked Yuna and Tidus in most other scenes, voice-acting aside. Seymour himself seemed to have an interesting backstory with how he grew up with the Guado, but I was never really sold on the idea that "I was born a mixed breed, so I'm crazy". He does get points for being driven enough to keep at his goals despite being Unsent. That was always a bit chilling to me.
Sin - 8/10 - Hard to separate him from Jecht to me. As a piece of the setting, he serves his purpose well, and the story presents him as an omnipresent menace that the world's culture has grown up around. Points for "Nature destroys Machina", for all that Sin himself didn't really seem to care about Machina one way or the other and that story was just ingrained into the Yevonite religion by its leaders.
Yu Yevon - 6/10 - Ties into the Yevonite religion pretty well. He's really only backstory, so it's hard to rate him much higher. The perception of him as a character is noticeably dynamic, so he gets an extra point above average.
Mika - 7/10 - The religious fanatic convinced that he's doing what's necessary for the world. Except... he's believable. He's continuing the cycle of sending Summoners to die, but if you look at the people of Spira, despite the somewhat ominous presence of Sin, they lead fairly happy lives. And sacrificing one person every few years, especially in such a heroic way, well... it's pretty tame compared to most religious fanatics. You can honestly believe that he's doing what he thinks is best for the world. He's not insane, he's just not in love with Yuna.
Kinoc - 4/10 - Meh, was there.
Yunalesca - 6/10 - Never really felt like I got to know her, despite the backstory. Being Unsent just isn't as cool once Seymour did it.
Jecht - 9/10 - Can't fully separate him from Sin, but pre-Sin Jecht and Tidus' views of him in flashback are pretty awesome. Basically, my favorite part of FFX.

Final Fantasy XII

Vayne Carudas Solidor - 7/10
Judge Magister Gabranth - 5/10
Judge Magister Ghis - 3/10
Doctor Cidolfus Demen Bunansa - 8/10
Vossler York Azelas - 5/10
Venat - 6/10
The Occuria - 7/10

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #77 on: July 20, 2009, 03:09:39 AM »
It goes "work for ShinRa, get your paycheck. If terrorists attack, ShinRa's army will protect you," or something like that, right?

Actually, that's him commenting on Pres. Shinra's way of running things. "Old man tried to rule the world with money. Seems to have been working. Work for Shinra, you get paid. If terrorists attack, the Shinra will protect you. It seems perfect from the outside. But I'll do things differently from my old man. I'll control the world with fear. It takes too much to do it like my old man. A little fear will control the minds of the people."
(I'm not sure how much of that is exactly right, but that's close enough. Is it bad that I can type that out from memory? :( )

Well that makes him much more shitty. Downgrade inc.

Man, you of all people I thought would have some kind of love for Machiavelli.

"Rule the world with fear of me" is not nearly as interesting as "rule the world with fear of someone else which I cultivate" to me. It would have been one of the more cerebral things I've seen in a FF game. However, the former option just makes you a generic evil empire in this context, and I like to think Machiavelli was a LITTLE craftier than that.

Anyway... as far as FFXII goes, I can't be the only one who wanted Cid to win. The PCs were just hatchetmen for some stupid ghosts what wanted to pull our strings anyway. Cid was trying to right the course of human history. His flaw was that his goals were too damn big.

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #78 on: July 20, 2009, 09:42:03 AM »
Machiavelli was a little craftier than that, but when it came down to it, rule through fear was his last resort and he did have no faith in ruling through money.  Rufus being competent enough to know that he is unable (for whatever reason, probably incompetence) to rule by being loved and having no more credible enemies (Wutai?  Not anymore) that the people can identify and fear (They... are supposed to be scared of Jenova or Sephiroth who they have not heard of or used to be their hero?).  Avalanche just are way to shit at their job to be a real threat.  Even though the Reactor bombing really should have been 11 September 2001 level stuff (Not that you can blame FF7 for not knowing the degree of response to expect from the world's largest military at that point....) the NPC just don't seem to give a shit about Avalanche in general, the Cosmo Canyon guys even have a bit of a Tibet thing going there.

So Rufus may be incompetent, but he knows just how incompetent he is.  You go Rufus!

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #79 on: July 20, 2009, 03:26:30 PM »
Final Fantasy X:

Seymour Guado: 2/10. Generic dick. Never really caught on with me at all.
Sin: 7/10: Sin worked for what it was.
Yu Yevon: 1/10: Meh.
Mika: 5/10
Kinoc: 5/10: I barely remember these two.
Yunalesca: 4/10: Meh again.
Jecht: 6/10

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #80 on: July 20, 2009, 10:01:37 PM »
Seymour Guado - 5/10. Not a fan, but I like the motivation. Bonus points for reasoning behind his way of thinking.
Sin - DNR. Mindless vessel, doesn't actually do anything on its own.
Yu Yevon - 2/10. He's a religion, basically. Not much else. Kinda 'ugh' to me personally.
Mika - 3/10. Works as a villain but, hey, some personality might've been nice! More than "I am an evil old man."
Kinoc - 4/10. Interesting enough for his role, but too little screentime to actually do anything of interest. Also gets screwed over completely in the most pathetic of ways.
Yunalesca - 7/10. Now this I like. Seems to be the main controller of the Yevon thing, manipulates the figureheads of the religion brilliantly and has some semblance of personality as well. w00t.
Jecht - 8/10. More for his character than his villainy, because Jecht is just quite awesome. Nothing amazingly special, but nothing to dislike.

Final Fantasy XII

Vayne Carudas Solidor - 2/10. Medieval Hitler. Doesn't work well in a fantasy setting,
Judge Magister Gabranth - 5/10. Average. Gains points for the nice setup at the start, loses points for his ambiguous villain/ally screw-things-over-at-the-most-stupid-of-times style.
Judge Magister Ghis - 1/10. Ho-hum, seems I was thinking of the wrong one before. In that case, lol does nothing.
Doctor Cidolfus Demen Bunansa - 9/10. The shining glimmer of hope in FFXII. Amazing as a villain, a brilliant reason to fight, and a villain that you actually kinda agree with. Awesome.
Vossler York Azelas - 2/10. Bleh. Did not like Vossler at all, not much to be said really.
Venat - 5/10. The puppeteer. Not much else, but does provide the reasoning for Dr. Cid and, hence, has good motivation of his own. Shame most of his actions are attributed to Vayne and/or Dr. Cid.
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #81 on: July 21, 2009, 01:24:59 AM »
Final Fantasy X

Seymour Guado: 7/10 - I do like the way he acts (his "then pretend you didn't hear that" line was gold) and his methodical approach. I did also like that while he was powerful and had resources, things didn't all the time go according to his will and he frequently had to patch his plans. He looses a point for his looks as it's both so ridiculous it irritates me and is such that you can see he's a villain by just looking at him. His backstory felt a bit lacking. I can see where they wanted to go, but I didn't get the impression that his backstory really would lead him to where he's now.
Sin: 7/10 - A giant mindless monsters that roams and more or less randomly causes destruction? What's not to like? However, any form of backstory or actual character Sin has I have to credit either Yu Yevon or Jecht.
Yu Yevon: 3/10 - Despite being the one who controls Sin and is the cause for most of Spira's current problems, he has little to nothing going for himself. Is also portrayed as really powerful, but doesn't deliver.
Mika: 4/10 - Believable religious nutjob. Still didn't have much going for himself and his main purpose seemed to be to give Seymour a free reign. There wasn't anything cool or interesting or in any way or shape anything noteable about his character.
Kinoc: 4/10 - He kind of was there. While he had a backstory and the pretense of dept, it did really nothing for him. Remove Kinoc's backstory and absolutely nothing changes about his character. If anything, his backstory served to add characterization to Auron, which I must admit is a good cause, so one bonus point or something.
Yunalesca: 3/10 - A drama queen, although surprisingly not that annoying. Her attitude of just killing anyone problematic is a bit amusing. However, I subtract one point for her (lack of) outfit, so she's back at the bland character position.
Jecht: 6/10 - I've never given a crap about his and Tidus' backstory. Still, him calling Tidus a crybaby was amusing and I like that he wanted Tidus to succeed in order to free himself rather than for the good of Spira.

Final Fantasy XII

Vayne Carudas Solidor: 7/10 - A solid villain.  That was however all. He wasn't notable cool or stylish or had anything awesome going for him. His struggle against the undying did nothing for me.
Judge Magister Gabranth: 2/10 - Most of what he said just struck me as incomprehensible static. Something about shame and probably something about a troubled past as well. Also came of as a complete moron. "Basch, watch your friends die! Of course, I'm fighting alone against six which makes this threat about as credible as a poodle snarling at a Lion." I can't even figure what Square was trying to do with him.
Judge Magister Ghis: 4/10 - He did serve as someone to pound on just nicely. Not much else to it. I think he had more screentime besides that, but nothing that really matters.
Doctor Cidolfus Demen Bunansa: 5/10 - Muahahahaha, I'm batshit insane. Turns out he's just a little insane instead of the complete nutjob he acts like. He does have a motivation and all that, but his style didn't sell to me and he lacks screentime.
Vossler York Azelas: 3/10 - I didn't buy his motivation to side with the empire. Also demonstrates what happens when dramatic scenes becomes a routine, his last dying words were completely pointless and seemed to be there just because someone felt he needed last words.
Venat: 3/10 - Does he even have a character?

Final Fantasy Mystic Quest

The Dark King: 3/10 - He's there and you hit him.

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #82 on: July 21, 2009, 05:37:54 AM »
Machiavelli was a little craftier than that, but when it came down to it, rule through fear was his last resort and he did have no faith in ruling through money.  Rufus being competent enough to know that he is unable (for whatever reason, probably incompetence) to rule by being loved and having no more credible enemies (Wutai?  Not anymore) that the people can identify and fear (They... are supposed to be scared of Jenova or Sephiroth who they have not heard of or used to be their hero?).  Avalanche just are way to shit at their job to be a real threat.  Even though the Reactor bombing really should have been 11 September 2001 level stuff (Not that you can blame FF7 for not knowing the degree of response to expect from the world's largest military at that point....) the NPC just don't seem to give a shit about Avalanche in general, the Cosmo Canyon guys even have a bit of a Tibet thing going there.

So Rufus may be incompetent, but he knows just how incompetent he is.  You go Rufus!

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Well, if ruling through fear of him was his original plan, it changed in to the much superior fear of other stuff on the second disc, when giant monsters start showing up and he decides to take the bat to them at a ridiculous cost in manpower. People love him for doing that shit.

But yeah, Machiavelli was about having foreigners fear him, not really his own people. Citizens are more productive when they don't need to be shackled to things, after all.

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #83 on: July 21, 2009, 06:32:15 AM »
You know what?  I think I'm not going to DNR anymore, since now I'm getting confused as to what my criteria are >_>  


Seymour Guado - 7.0 - Relatively decent, although to be honest, I completely forgot he existed at the end >_>  He's big to start, then dies...then comes back with evil Yuna marrying (though, that would be something he suffers from - god, that voice), then dies...then comes back...then dies...then disappears for a bit, then finally shows back up.  In between all of this, his backstory is decent - his mother becoming an Aeon setting him on the course to become the thing he hated is relatively neat, and he is bloody persistent, though I can only give so many points for that since...well, I didn't feel like he was that threatening.  Still...could go up?
Sin - DNR - Ok, I lied.  I...have a lot of trouble ranking Sin, as I feel that the "villainy" of Sin is more in the atmosphere around it, i.e., people like Mika, Seymour, Jecht, etc.  I just can't rank him reasonably without think of other issues, and a force of nature alone...feels hard for me to rank on villainy/badness.  
Yu Yevon - 5.0 - Really needed a lot more exposure, although it is really neat the entire story around him.   Still...not all of that is entirely him, and...it's kind of hard to have feelings for a metroid unless you're Samus Aran >_>  
Mika - 6.5 - Eh...while he is excellent for keeping the ritual of suicide going for as long as he did, it is partly everyone in combination too.  I also feel like he doesn't have the personality to really push himself to the forefront of my mind, for all that he is a behind-the-scenes guy.  Granted, the being unsent and scaring the hell out of the other Maesters and basically sending himself is pretty damn ballsy - "Hah, the world is fucked, kthnxbai Yuna".  The deception, though, is a function of everyone in on it, not just him.
Kinoc - 2.5 - As Crystalgate said, helps Auron with his backstory more than himself, and is otherwise just there.
Yunalesca - 4.5 - She's...not that present until later, which kind of sucks.  She felt like she was mostly there - I think the game needed to explain a bit more the triangle here of Mika - Yunalesca - Yu Yevon.  Her, "this is the best we can do" speech was done already by loads of better people.  Granted, a point for fighting the party's "stupidity", unlike Mika (although Mika's is, as the Elf put it, far more haunting).
Jecht - 8.5 - Like I said for Sin, multiple people weave the tapestry of the beast here.  Jecht leads it to me - he's not necessarily a villain, but definitely a bad guy to Tardus.  Again, I want to make note that I wish the game explained the Fayth/Zanarkand thing a bit better, but I digress.  He's good at being the villain he needs to be, and I think he understands that, so it's a good guy in the position of being the bad guy.  Neat.

Plot question for FFX - am I remembering this right?  Tardus, Jecht, and Zanarkand of the past are dreams of the Fayth, which are the spirits of the dead.  Due to Sin's ravages (brought on by Yu Yevon creating the beast as a shell to protect his dream world, a.k.a., Zanarkand before the war with Bevelle), the Fayth, restless and tormented because of this madness, try to stop this - they take their dreams and make them "real" and give them "life" and a "purpose" (Jecht pulled from his dream world into the "real" world, becomes a better person - Tardus, knowing his father is Sin, has a resolve to stop him to come to terms with hating him - thus, Tardus will help push Yuna to defeat Sin the right way, by killing the source, Yu Yevon).  In between this, we have the Yevon church that knows all about this (Yu Yevon founding it, and teaching machina are bad after Zanarkand was nuked, punishing the world with Sin's arrival) and keeps everyone in the dark about this (granted, only the higher-ups really know much, I'd assume), Auron (the guardian of Braska, who knows everything, and because he's the equivalent of a Fayth, is able to help them on their quest by bringing Tardus out of the dream into the "real" world, and guide him to the end), and a host of other people with varying knowledge of the situation.  I really do like FFX a lot, and the story is rich - the problem is it could use better presentation.  FFXII, while with a more general story (that borrows elements from it), does explain things better.  Aaaaaaanyway...


Vayne Carudas Solidor - 9.5 - He is neat.  Begins as what seems to be a generally good guy!  Then you hear a lot about him, and you start to wonder.  Then he starts to do some things that are odd as hell.  Then he acts like a bad man and kills his daddy.  He also LOOKS like the evil politician guy/manipulator/Machiavelli, which is NICE.  And he's doing all this to set his brother up as ruler (with the caveat that it's on HIS terms - not the way the senate wants it), and to beat some godlike creatures that, while they can't directly intervene, have shaped history for a long time.  He's interesting, though the end is a little odd (again, he's...not really much of a final boss personality), but definitely explainable (Larsa fighting him was the final "test", giving him the strength to lead the way he needs to).  The guy's pretty brilliant overall.
Judge Magister Gabranth - 7.0 - Snowfire is right that he falls apart towards the end at Pharos/Bahamut, but that's...supposed to be the point.  He begins very set and for the empire, but starts to doubt, and finally feel the connection of brotherhood and honour, and sees that his brother has a point.  We do get the conflict - he just doesn't do it in the most...ideal way.
Judge Magister Ghis - 2.0 - Generic and dies really freaking fast.  He's present for, what, 3 scenes and a battle?  Pathetic.
Doctor Cidolfus Demen Bunansa - 8.0 - Worked with Vayne, the only difference being he's much less present.  Nonetheless, still awesome.
Vossler York Azelas - 6.0 - Kind of...off.  Similar to Gabranth, except that, well...he does place duty high, but duty to country first.  He's very honest in this, and does believe in doing what's right.  His betrayal...it was odd, I will agree, but...not so odd to the point it feels completely off, though yeah, points down.
Venat - 5.0 - See Cid and Vayne, subtract more for less time.  Also, the parallels I could draw between the Occuria and the Fayth >_>


The Dark King - 1.0 - Come on - even I really can't hype him >_>
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #84 on: July 21, 2009, 06:46:12 AM »
OK: Yeah, that's pretty much it, as far as FFX plot goes. One important distinction to make, though, is that while Yevon knows about Yu Yevon recreating Sin, they don't know about Dream Zanarkand, or even the history that led Yu Yevon to create Sin in the first place. You're right that they're keeping Spira in the dark about an important detail (the fact that defeating Sin via Final Summoning will NEVER prevent Sin from coming back), though.

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #85 on: July 21, 2009, 07:23:07 AM »
Final Fantasy X:

Seymour Guado: 6/10.  I dunno, he works I guess.
Sin/Yu Yevon: To my mind, Yu Yevon is kinda a plot device to explain how Sin survives being Final Aeon'd and to give you something to kill and end the game.  Sooooo yeah, he and Sin are synonymous.
Preamble aside, 9/10.  The immensity of Sin, how deeply ingrained it was in Spira's culture, everything about it is just so BIG for the entire game.  Because the villain is presented as being a threat to the entire world the entire game, it has something all the other "rarr WORLD SMASH""ohshit we gotta save teh world" come up a little short on.  The history behind it and Yu Yevon's nature are also kinda neat.
Mika: 6/10
Kinoc: 4/10
Yunalesca: 5/10.
Jecht: 7/10.  It's funny, he's not really a villain (since he's not really willingly into the whole Sin thing) but he's such a clear antagonist for Tidus that I'll gladly let that slide.
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #86 on: July 22, 2009, 12:23:25 AM »
Final Fantasy X:

Seymour Guado: 6/10.  Not much in the way of a character, but he worked for his role as a hatable prick well enough.
Sin: 7/10.  Probably the best handled "non-intelligent" villain I've seen.  That can only get him so high, but yeah.
Yu Yevon: 3/10.  Had a whole elaborate plan, but for the most part, was a plot device that didn't really mean much.
Mika: 7/10.  Good at the evil priest thing or something/
Kinoc: 5/10.  Felt like he needed a little more back story to truly work for what they intended, and considering his supposed friendship with Auron, they had easy elements to work it in.
Yunalesca: 7/10. Kneejerk; she played her role well enough.
Jecht: As a villain, 3/10, mostly cause he's kind of just one by victim of circumstance.  He'd be higher as a CHARACTER, mind.

Final Fantasy XII

Vayne Carudas Solidor: 6.5/10.  Would have been really good if not hit hard by FF12 plot syndrome; what is there is generally good stuff though.  Loses half a point for the plot fusion bullshit which seems to clash with his ideals, and personality (ok, so being desperate enough to use Nethicite? I can buy that, but once he lost there, I felt like he would have just conceited defeat, not resort to I NEED ANGELIC FINAL BOSS FORM Bullshit.)
Judge Magister Gabranth: 7/10.  Somewhat of a better written Seifer, in that he's similar in a lot of ways, but isn't an immense whiner.  He starts off this high and mighty position, seemingly having everything...but slowly loses this iron clad composure to the point where by the end, he's pretty much envious of Basch, who despite having nothing, is able to live a full and content life, and can't understand why, and the progression made sense.  His sacrificing himself for Larsa at the end even felt believable, which helped shed light on how he wasn't actually a bad guy, just had his beliefs drastically differing.  He'd be higher if, again, FF12 Plot issues didn't kick in.
Judge Magister Ghis: 4/10.  Fails.  Gets a point cause I'm sure his idiocy on the Leviathan was intended and it was somewhat amusing <_<.
Doctor Cidolfus Demen Bunansa: 6/10.  Honestly? Felt like just a henchman to Vayne and didn't really DO much besides be that.  He wasn't offensive or anything, just...didn't stand out...he does, however, get a point for awesome voice acting.
Vossler York Azelas: 6/10.  Believable betrayal and you can kind of sympathize with his side, but...as a villain, I can't honestly place him higher, cause his role as villain is just too short lived, and I'm honestly not sure if he was actually planning all that, or if he more just seized the opportunity cause he was fed up.
Venat: 3/10.  First off, a really good concept.  I won't deny that.  The problem?  Good concept means jack shit when the execution is atrocious.  Venat added *NOTHING* to the Vayne/Cid plot; I felt the two of them just coming to this "fuck the Occuria" stance on their own would have been believable enough based on their own showings.  She comes in out of nowhere, and completely undermines the interesting political stuff by just being cliche despite the potential to be really good.  She then is part of what felt like a massive out of character move for Vayne, and just resulted in a stupid extra final boss just cause.  Its really hard to say she served ANY purpose when the role the Occurria play in FF12 is so minor, we know almost nothing about their backstory besides "They think they're gods, and Venat eventually split and opposed them cause she doesn't agree."  Having no real backstory or explanation beyond that, its no wonder she completely failed at her role.
I also refuse to give points for association cause, lets face it; you're giving points to a character for the work of ANOTHER character, and in this case, I'm not convinced at all she was needed to make Vayne/Cid believable...if anything, I think she made it worse.

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The Dark King: 4/10.  Cliche, but gets a point for basically lying about a prophecy only to instill false hope upon the land...only to see the prophecy actually come true <_<
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #87 on: July 22, 2009, 04:51:41 AM »

Final Fantasy X:

Seymour Guado- A creepy in your face villain, I like, 7/10
Sin- DNR, is really Yevon
Yu Yevon- See CK, lacking a personality is this thing only flaw 7/10
Mika- Worked for what he is 5/10
Kinoc- Same here 5/10
Yunalesca- A vengeful bitch who spreads false hope, remains an unsent just because she hates the world that much. Yeah, psychotic bitches are always my favorite 9/10
Jecht- DNR I would say. But his relationship with Tidus is well written never the less. 7/10

Final Fantasy XII

Vayne Carudas Solidor- A different version of Dycedarg, who is a lot more likable. Despite wanting to become a conquer himself, he still remain fairly human and knows his limit. How he set all the things up for Larsa, feeling the responsible for Venat and Cid, and his confrontation with his dad are all fairly touching. 7/10
Judge Magister Gabranth- Go away you stupid dog, 3/10
Judge Magister Ghis- You too, 2/10
Doctor Cidolfus Demen Bunansa- Hail humanism!! It is refreshing to have a villain of this sort, and he pulled the mad scientist thing fairly well. Too bad his relationship with his son is lacking. 7/10
Vossler York Azelas- His villain role is short, despite his reason of betrayal is sympathetic enough 5/10
Venat- She desperately needs screen time, really didn't do much despite being a good concept.... 4/10

Final Fantasy Mystic Quest

The Dark King- Is there, 2/10

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #88 on: July 22, 2009, 05:19:04 AM »
Final Fantasy X:

Seymour Guado - 5/10. Not too shabby, for all that he just makes me think of Kuja Lite.
Sin - 4/10. I'm generally not a fan of the "force of nature" type villains. I dunno, they just don't interest me. Still, Sin was legitimately threatening and caused a fair share of strife, so I can't give it a terrible rating like I want to.
Yu Yevon - Don't remember him enough to give him an accurate rating.
Mika - Ditto.
Kinoc - Ditto.
Yunalesca - 7/10. Probably my favorite villain of the cast. I just thought her backstory was really interesting and I found her to be fairly believable. She desperately needed more screen time, though.
Jecht - DNR. Tidus is the real villain, so anyone who antagonizes him is okay in my book.

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #89 on: July 22, 2009, 09:56:13 AM »
Vayne Carudas Solidor - Sucks the least in the cast 4/10 still though.
Judge Magister Gabranth - lol 1/10
Judge Magister Ghis - 2/10 is lolness is laughable.  Which is more than twinsie there.
Doctor Cidolfus Demen Bunansa - 3/10 for evil cid
Vossler York Azelas - 2/10 +1 for wanting to kill party and end my suffering.
Venat - Forgot who the hell this was until I read someone's post.  1/10 for that.

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #90 on: July 23, 2009, 03:17:57 AM »
I'm giving this a midweek bump. Get your votes in!
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #91 on: July 23, 2009, 03:44:42 AM »
Final Fantasy X:

Seymour Guado - 6/10
Sin - 8/10
Yu Yevon - 4/10
Mika - 6/10
Kinoc - 4/10
Yunalesca - 7/10
Jecht - 8/10

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #92 on: July 25, 2009, 04:38:31 PM »
I'm going to be updating this late tonight or tomorrow or maybe Monday. Bad sentence structure aside, get your votes in now!
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #93 on: July 25, 2009, 04:45:10 PM »
Final Fantasy X:

Seymour Guado- Asshat and a creeper. Pretty good at being villainous, but hard to take seriously all the time. 5/10.
Sin- 7/10. Menacing malice dude
Yu Yevon~- 1/10
Mika- 7/10. The manipulator.
Kinoc- 7/10. I like him. He's really good at what a non-sympathetic villain should be good at- you wanting to rip out his spine.
Yunalesca- 2/10. Bad.
Jecht- 7/10. He's fine, also nice and hatable. Not sure if I consider him a villain.
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #94 on: July 25, 2009, 05:47:05 PM »
I was told I had to comment here or rabid Kos would storm my apartment. You don't fuck around with threats like that.

Final Fantasy X:

Seymour Guado: 4/10. Yeah, they don't even try to hide what he is. Uninteresting, but not aggravating.
Sin: 7/10. It's hard for an amorphous incarnation of death to have any charisma--and Sin kinda doesn't. But its effect on the world is omnipresent, and that's worth something.
Yu Yevon: 4/10, has no presence or screentime, but I found the idea of someone so afraid of death they'd damn the whole world to avoid their own to be pretty memoerable.
Mika: I don't remember which one of these church dudes was which.
Kinoc: I don't remember which one of these church dudes was which.
Yunalesca: 4/10. Eye candy. Yeah, boobs are worth a couple points, that and a striking boss fight.
Jecht: 9/10. Jecht is pretty cool. Aside from being laid back and not at all textbook villainous, there's something very amusing about having your final boss be a drunk redneck pro athlete.

Final Fantasy XII

Vayne Carudas Solidor: 3/10. That endgame transformation was just too ridiculous for me to remember anything they might've done right with him.
Judge Magister Gabranth: 4/10. I...guess he wasn't really objectionable.
Judge Magister Ghis: 2/10. This is that dumbass that blew himself up, right? Yeah, that should explain the score well enough.
Doctor Cidolfus Demen Bunansa: 5/10. Too much of a cackling madman, but he did have a point.
Vossler York Azelas: 3/10. Traitor for some reason I don't remember, which isn't encouraging. FFXII PLOT.
Venat: 2/10. Did he/she/it even have lines? Whatever. It was barely there, but 1/10 is reserved for true hate.

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #95 on: July 25, 2009, 08:35:11 PM »
Seymour Guado 4/10. He's a joke. His backstory is decent, and he's good at first. But by the end...
Sin 8/10. Extremely effective.
Mika 7
Kinoc 7
Jecht 7

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #96 on: July 26, 2009, 08:29:43 AM »
Final Fantasy X:

Seymour Guado: 4. Starts off strong, then fails...and fails...and fails some more, losing track of his original motivations and style. By the time you meet him Inside Sin he feels like an obligatory roadblock.
Sin: 5. Good for what it was, which being "random destruction" won't get it high.
Yu Yevon: 2. The backstory behind it was pretty stupid though.
Mika: 4. Some points for believing his Justice I guess?
Kinoc: 2. Meh.
Yunalesca: 3. Meh.
Jecht: 9. Quite literally a designated villain, which made for a very interesting conflict with his character, and, of course, Tidus. Good stuff.

Final Fantasy XII

Vayne Carudas Solidor: 4. I get what they were going for here but it fell completely flat, especially with the "threat" that is Rozarria Empire being represented by a group of like two sympathetic people in the game. Desperately needed more plot scenes to establish his intentions too.
Judge Magister Gabranth: 4. He's not much by himself really, but the way he's portrayed as completely delusional in the end struck me as well done, even if it was perhaps somewhat unintentional. *gets beaten down in 15 seconds* BASCH, YOUR FRIENDS ARE DYING!
Judge Magister Ghis: 4. Comedy points for perhaps the single most blatantly stupid stunt pulled by a RPG character.
Doctor Cidolfus Demen Bunansa: 9. Ah, yes. I liked the whole "History back into the reins of man" thing he had going on, and how he went about trying to achieve that. Also massive style points for the perfect English VA job. You can tell he just loves talking about his grandiose plans and acting ultra-dramatic as the "savior of mankind". Bright spot of the FF12 plot, definitely.
Vossler York Azelas: 6. His desperate selling his soul for the greater good thing worked as a motivation.
Venat: 3. Meh. Good concept but atrocious execution.
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #97 on: July 26, 2009, 01:10:55 PM »
Final Fantasy X:

Seymour Guado - 7.0 - Reminds me of watching a football match of the home team. Starts off incredibly strong, then begins wavering and by the end he's just there. He's getting a 7, though, because I like tenacity in a recurring villain, and when I entered Sin I was sort of hoping to kill this bitch once and for all. Gets bonus points for "So you'd oppose me, too?" against Anima.
Sin - 5.0 - "Wait, what? We need to fight that thing?" I liked the story around him, and how he was looming over you all the time. Sadly, aside from one scene, he really only looms.
Yu Yevon - 1.0 - Disappointing.
Mika - Who?
Kinoc - Completely off the charts of memory.
Yunalesca - 7.0 - Yes, I like her that much. Is she an actual villain, though? She kept Sin in check, and sure, you made sacrifices. But you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs. Her being the turning point gives her most of her points - after defeating Yunalesca, you get the entire "... what now?" feeling, as you just completed your journey and find out you need to backtrack and find out how to deal with Sin.
Jecht - ... Eh.

Final Fantasy Mystic Quest

The Dark King - 6.0 - Nostalgia.

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #98 on: July 27, 2009, 09:47:48 AM »
Yu Yevon: 4/10, has no presence or screentime, but I found the idea of someone so afraid of death they'd damn the whole world to avoid their own to be pretty memoerable.

It if more REVENGE!! rather than simply danming the world for their own survival. Its motive is identical with Yunalesca, they can't tolerate the world to be populate only by their invaders.

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #99 on: July 27, 2009, 05:09:30 PM »
The results are in!

Final Fantasy X:

Seymour Guado: 5.53, 19 rankers.
Sin: 6.87, 16 rankers. (3 DNR)
Yu Yevon: 3.85, 17 rankers.
Mika: 5.81, 16 rankers.
Kinoc: 4.65, 16 rankers.
Yunalesca: 5.61, 18 rankers.
Jecht: 7.30, 15 rankers. (3 DNR)

Final Fantasy XII

Vayne Carudas Solidor: 5.90, 11 rankers.
Judge Magister Gabranth: 4.40, 11 rankers.
Judge Magister Ghis: 3.00, 11 rankers.
Doctor Cidolfus Demen Bunansa: 6.72, 11 rankers.
Vossler York Azelas: 4.09, 11 rankers.
Venat: 3.72, 11 rankers.

Final Fantasy Mystic Quest:

The Dark King: 2.87, 8 rankers.

More coming in the next post!
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