Season 53, Week 2 - Bear puns, transexuals and magical girls. It's like Otakon.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Godlike:

Jenna Angel (DDS) vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC)
TimeLord (Saga) vs Kuja (FF9)
Nel Zelpher (SO3) vs Xorn (G3)
Asellus (Saga) vs Ghaleon (Lunars)

Heavy:

Hildagarde Valentine (SH3) vs Regal Bryant (ToS)
Kary (FF1) vs Janus Cascade (WA3)
Nina (BoF2) Vs Nash Rumack (Lunar:SSSC)
Glenn (CC) vs Lede (FFT)

Middle:

Teddie (P4) vs Ashton Anchors (SO2)
Adray Lasbard (SO3) vs Lun (S5)
Kraken (FF1) vs Joachim Valentine (SH2)
Setzer Gabianni (FF6) vs Yulie Ahtreide (WA4)

Light:

Mallow (SMRPG) vs Jogurt (SF1)
Euram Barows (S5) vs Jin Uzuki (XS2)
Dean Stark (WA5) vs Laguna Loire (FF8)
Draggy (CC) vs Alonso (G3)

[superaielman]

Godlike:

Jenna Angel (DDS) vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC)- Xenobia speed.
TimeLord (Saga) vs Kuja (FF9)- Kuja's one of the worst endgame bosses we have ranked for raw durability. He has no chance to survive OverDrive.
Nel Zelpher (SO3) vs Xorn (G3)- Sure, I feel comfortable voting on this.
Asellus (Saga) vs Ghaleon (Lunars)- Enjoy your cup of coffee, Asellus.

Heavy:

Kary (FF1) vs Janus Cascade (WA3)- Janus.
Nina (BoF2) Vs Nash Rumack (Lunar:SSSC)- Faster.
*Glenn (CC)* vs  2-Lede (FFT)- Assassin vs PC.

Middle:

Teddie (P4) vs Ashton Anchors (SO2)- Teddie's nearly dead by the time he gets a turn, and none of his buffs can do much to slow that down. Ashton has a large speed edge as well.
Kraken (FF1) vs Joachim Valentine (SH2)- Joachim gets by on ID and status blocking in the DL, none of which does him any good here.
Setzer Gabianni (FF6) vs Yulie Ahtreide (WA4)- Setzer needs way too much luck with his dice rolls to win this.

Light:

Mallow (SMRPG) vs Jogurt (SF1)
Euram Barows (S5) vs Jin Uzuki (XS2)
Draggy (CC) vs Alonso (G3)- I hate the universe.

[Monkeyfinger]

Godlike:

Jenna Angel (DDS) vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC): She'll get 3 Bhairavas in thanks to a doubleturn, either directly by doing it during phase 2, or indirectly by doing it in phase 1, landing enough debils to drop Xenobia out of OHKO territory. They're enough, either way.
TimeLord (Saga) vs Kuja (FF9)
Nel Zelpher (SO3) vs Xorn (G3)
Asellus (Saga) vs Ghaleon (Lunars): I dunno. Asellus blocks ID, and has those mystic stat boosts to tank a full Ghaleon assault and double constantly. I'd have to look up how deep her resources are and how much her shit costs.

Heavy:

Hildagarde Valentine (SH3) vs Regal Bryant (ToS)
Kary (FF1) vs Janus Cascade (WA3)
Nina (BoF2) Vs Nash Rumack (Lunar:SSSC)
Glenn (CC) vs 2-Lede (FFT)

Middle:

Teddie (P4) vs Ashton Anchors (SO2): Let's see... Ashton hits Teddie, Teddie rakukajas, Ashton triggers auto-endure, Teddie fullheals and is now in a great position to play an attrition game. And Ashton might not even kill with those first 2 hits which would be really bad for him.
Adray Lasbard (SO3) vs Lun (S5): Fire resistance, MP attacks... yeah.
Kraken (FF1) vs Joachim Valentine (SH2)
Setzer Gabianni (FF6) vs Yulie Ahtreide (WA4)

Light:

Mallow (SMRPG) vs Jogurt (SF1)
Euram Barows (S5) vs Jin Uzuki (XS2)
Draggy (CC) vs Alonso (G3): This one's pretty close, isn't it? Gut.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Godlike:

Jenna Angel (DDS) vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC) - Getting more than two Bhairavas probably seals this. Debilitate also gives Jenna a little more oomph, although nothing special.
TimeLord (Saga) vs Kuja (FF9) - Kuja durability.
Nel Zelpher (SO3) vs Xorn (G3) - Dear god, this is terrible.
Asellus (Saga) vs Ghaleon (Lunars) - My gut is that Asellus doesn't quite have the resources given how expensive Lifesprinkler is and how everything she'll use runs off her WP.

Heavy:

Kary (FF1) vs Janus Cascade (WA3) - Janus and a VP mage probably would amount to the same in this fight.
Nina (BoF2) vs Nash Rumack (Lunar:SSSC) - Faster. Nina mdef gives her a fighting chance, but I respect Nash's sleep and silence accuracy (of which she can only block sleep) too much.
Glenn (CC) vs Lede (FFT) - PC.

Middle:

Teddie (P4) vs Ashton Anchors (SO2) - Auto-Endure... does save his ass. Doesn't help that I don't see Ashton as especially fast and Teddie's speed woes become less prominent after his first turn.
Adray Lasbard (SO3) vs Lun (S5) - Lun against SO3 healing.
Setzer Gabianni (FF6) vs Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) - Yulie's not really the kind of healer Setzer can handle. Quicken gives her too much breathing room.

Light:

Mallow (SMRPG) vs Jogurt (SF1) - Hands up, soldier.
Euram Barows (S5) vs Jin Uzuki (XS2) - This is so awesome.
Draggy (CC) vs Alonso (G3) - I dunno, not terribly inclined to give Alonso tons of damage credit. This match is pretty whatever.

[Taishyr]

Jenna Angel (DDS) vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC)
TimeLord (Saga) vs Kuja (FF9)
Asellus (Saga) vs Ghaleon (Lunars) - Probably Ghaleon, but.

Heavy:

Kary (FF1) vs Janus Cascade (WA3)
Nina (BoF2) Vs Nash Rumack (Lunar:SSSC)
Glenn (CC) vs Lede (FFT)

Middle:

Teddie (P4) vs Ashton Anchors (SO2)
Kraken (FF1) vs Joachim Valentine (SH2)
Setzer Gabianni (FF6) vs Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) - unno.

Light:

Mallow (SMRPG) vs Jogurt (SF1)

[Dark Holy Elf]

Jenna Angel (DDS) vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC): I am inclined to say Xenobia just has too much more HP. I understand why the people who scale bosses against the number of PCs they fight would vote the other way, but that's not how I roll.
Nel Zelpher (SO3) vs Xorn (G3): Umm yeah. Somewhat less close!

Heavy:

Kary (FF1) vs Janus Cascade (WA3): loljanus
Nina (BoF2) Vs Nash Rumack (Lunar:SSSC): Way faster.
Glenn (CC) vs Lede (FFT): Probably faster, doubt I see a OHKO anyway.

Middle:

Adray Lasbard (SO3) vs Lun (S5): Reflection and fire spoiling? Adray is always better than I expect.
Kraken (FF1) vs Joachim Valentine (SH2): Faster, 2HKOs.
Setzer Gabianni (FF6) vs Yulie Ahtreide (WA4): I think she can manage this one.

Light:

Mallow (SMRPG) vs Jogurt (SF1): L
Euram Barows (S5) vs Jin Uzuki (XS2): O
Dean Stark (WA5) vs Laguna Loire (FF8): L
Draggy (CC) vs Alonso (G3): Need to figure out how much respect I have for Lancer Smash. Draggy is kinda tanky, he may avoid a 2HKO. He... may also fail to 3HKO? Ouch, if so. Open to arguments here! EDIT: Yeah, thinking Draggy needs more assumptions here. He wishes his damage didn't fail.

[SnowFire]

Notable matches.

Hildagarde Valentine (SH3) vs Regal Bryant (ToS) - Regal's boss form is legal!  Curvy Hilda heals her way out anyway.

Setzer Gabianni (FF6) vs Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) - Interesting.  Yulie damage respect not found, so Setzer has some time to get lucky here.  Will have to look into this one.

Dean Stark (WA5) vs Laguna Loire (FF8) - No vote due to no WA5, but I'd like to point out that on paper it looks like Laguna's victory?  Obviously Dark Holy Elf disagrees, but going by the damage average listed in the stat topic (which includes Greg's jump in damage), Dean does 32.7% PCHP damage.  Laguna has above-average HP and above-average VIT.  This means Dean is 4HKOing, and this is a bad place to be against FF8.  Dean is below average in both speed and HP anyway, meaning he quite possibly loses the slugfest regardless of limits (depending on how you see FF8 damage).

Obviously this might change if Greg isn't screwing up the curve, or if there are other WA5 factors in play.

[Dark Holy Elf]

Dean's damage is that bad? Man, he was overranked then. Although I don't consider Greg's STR boost (do consider Heavy Crush however), not sure if that would tilt things here.

Anyway, Dean can drop his damage so that he only barely hits above 25%, and one turn at that HP isn't good enough for a limit to me. I somehow doubt I see Laguna 4HKOing, but am admittedly unsure as to exactly where FF8 damage falls, but my kneejerk respect for non-Squall/Rinoa physicals is low.

Dean might also miss... bleh.

EDIT: For my reference, Dean does 35% to average. Laguna has about 104% average HP. I have no idea how effective VIT is, but it does seem reasonably likely that it'll push Dean to 4HKOing. Also, Laguna's evade isn't listed. Or did PCs not have unjunctioned evade stats? Thought they did.

EDIT2: Laguna 5HKOs by the most generous view of FF8 damage possible, so Dean wins the slugfest unless he misses (and wins even if he misses if you see FF8 damage at all lower... I probably do!). Dean can mess around with his attack too much. My vote stays on him, though it is a good fight.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Setzer Gabianni (FF6) vs Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) - Interesting.  Yulie damage respect not found, so Setzer has some time to get lucky here.  Will have to look into this one.

Keep in mind Setzer's durability also isn't special (slightly below average), and Yulie has Sacrifice to use as a finisher, which equals a bit over two of her normal thwacks at full HP. Given how she's getting a fair amount of doubles (yay Quicken), Setzer has less time than you'd think. She's also not attacking if she's not at full HP, so she's likely spamming Sacrifice on free turns instead since it's just more practical and damaging as long as her HP is in a decent range (Setzer averages rather poor damage, so this should be the case more often than not). That probably means he doesn't get lucky in time, he -needs- the 8% OHKO here.

[Dhyerwolf]

Godlike:

Jenna Angel (DDS) vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC)- 6 PC HP Pdur vs Jenna works pretty decently. No full HP buffering, of course, and Xenobia splatters form 3 easily.
TimeLord (Saga) vs Kuja (FF9)- TL
Nel Zelpher (SO3) vs Xorn (G3)
Asellus (Saga) vs Ghaleon (Lunars)

Heavy:

Hildagarde Valentine (SH3) vs Regal Bryant (ToS)
Kary (FF1) vs Janus Cascade (WA3)
Nina (BoF2) Vs Nash Rumack (Lunar:SSSC)
Glenn (CC) vs Lede (FFT)

Middle:

Teddie (P4) vs Ashton Anchors (SO2)
Adray Lasbard (SO3) vs Lun (S5)
Kraken (FF1) vs Joachim Valentine (SH2)- DoS. Well, at least Joachim can avoid a 2HKO even from Kraken's best form!
Setzer Gabianni (FF6) vs Yulie Ahtreide (WA4)

Light:

Mallow (SMRPG) vs Jogurt (SF1)
Euram Barows (S5) vs Jin Uzuki (XS2)
Dean Stark (WA5) vs Laguna Loire (FF8)- Think NEB and I have the same WA 5 damage curve, and I don't respect the higher HP limit range as activating that quickly.
Draggy (CC) vs Alonso (G3)- Draggy's pretty down there in damage, so even if you don't respect LS much, he'll probably not 3HKO.

[Clear Tranquil]

What's a Xorn? =D

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Xorn (Xorntoro) - Proper noun. 1. Taitoro after undergoing his feared Cosmic Emo Planet Power Makeup pinvolution. 2. Grandia 3's final boss. 3. The manbaby of "My Neighbor Totoro" and "Interview With the Vampire" crackslashfics' one-night stands.

One of these is actually untrue. Or so I hope.

(tl;dr version without the morning snark: Xorn is G3's last boss.)

[OblivionKnight]

http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=327.msg27940#msg27940

Last boss in that post.  Wooooo G3 plot spoilers.


Godlike:

Jenna Angel (DDS) vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC) - Jenna.  Gets in at least 4 Bhairavas to me, as well as maxed Debilitate.  Then the 2nd form comes, and Xenobia is screwed.
TimeLord (Saga) vs Kuja (FF9) - Kuja.  Yay boss durability, and not allowing Mystic Skills.  Phantasm Shot is something like 1.7x PC HP when spammed 7 times. 
Nel Zelpher (SO3) vs Xorn (G3) - Xorn.  Ouch.
Asellus (Saga) vs Ghaleon (Lunars) - Ghaleon.  MF - don't have any set numbers for her resources for SaGa, but...endgame I'd say Lifesprinkler uses a pool of 60-80 WP?  Been a while since I've gone through the game.  And it was 8 WP?

Heavy:

Hildagarde Valentine (SH3) vs Regal Bryant (ToS) - Hilda.  Damn, I can't think of any form Regal has that wins this >_>
Kary (FF1) vs Janus Cascade (WA3) - Janus.  Yay status support skills.  Enough of a punch, I think.
Nina (BoF2) Vs Nash Rumack (Lunar:SSSC) - Nash.  Go champ Heavy now!
Glenn (CC) vs Lede (FFT) - ...Lede.  Damnit.

Middle:

Teddie (P4) vs Ashton Anchors (SO2) - Teddie.  Did Ashton resist ice?  Teddie's equip options I think seal it - he can start with Raku on, which saves a lot of time, or just go with Taru and nuke things.  He has enough resources he should be able to do it all.
Adray Lasbard (SO3) vs Lun (S5) - Adray!
Kraken (FF1) vs Joachim Valentine (SH2) - Joachim.  Yay Great Question form.
Setzer Gabianni (FF6) vs Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) - Yulie, I guesses.  Easy Type didn't do much for Setzer

Light:

Mallow (SMRPG) vs Jogurt (SF1) - Mallow.
Euram Barows (S5) vs Jin Uzuki (XS2) - Jin.
Dean Stark (WA5) vs Laguna Loire (FF8) - Laguna.  Dean hates me taking him with Black Fenrir.
Draggy (CC) vs Alonso (G3) - Alonso. If you take him as a temp, he...is freaky on the damage and speed.  Not sure how you'd take him where he isn't like that (scaled to Ulf maybe?  Although Ulf isn't amazing to start). 

[Ultradude]

Heavy:

Kary (FF1) vs Janus Cascade (WA3) - Janus goes first, and Kary can't really touch him for three turns. Still, dun remember what MDef does to magic damage (as opposed to mocking status effects), which probably seals it if she drops it much at all.

Middle:

Kraken (FF1) vs Joachim Valentine (SH2)
Setzer Gabianni (FF6) vs Yulie Ahtreide (WA4)

Light:

Dean Stark (WA5) vs Laguna Loire (FF8) - Currently holding Dean and Rebecca against no-Medium average. Probably wins without it!

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Hm? You allow Janus' plot-buffed form, UD? I'm not sure if it matters enough, given how defense/mdef buffs don't matter a whole lot in WA3 - although they may at that point? Hell if I remember, I just remember that form MT 3HKOing/ST 2HKOing for about three turns then failing hilariously. That probably makes the fight a bit strange, and I don't remember if Janus' damage was ITD there.

[Ultradude]

Hm? You allow Janus' plot-buffed form, UD? I'm not sure if it matters enough, given how defense/mdef buffs don't matter a whole lot in WA3 - although they may at that point? Hell if I remember, I just remember that form MT 3HKOing/ST 2HKOing for about three turns then failing hilariously. That probably makes the fight a bit strange, and I don't remember if Janus' damage was ITD there.

Not that I've thought about it much, but I've been allowing it (generally pretty lenient on that sort of thing). Thing is, I have a touch higher damage respect for this form that still doesn't match what he did to my underlevelled team (lol almost dying to Negative Rainbow spam), so he might kill in that three turns if he's doing full damage, and... I think Clive was the only one I could actually land a physical with, everyone else was missing so much that I just kind of gave up damaging him until the buffs wore off (also, didn't realize immediately that, oh hey! those are stat buffs; gogo paying attention or something), and I don't think Kary was super accurate, so maybe lands half her damage?

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Hm? You allow Janus' plot-buffed form, UD? I'm not sure if it matters enough, given how defense/mdef buffs don't matter a whole lot in WA3 - although they may at that point? Hell if I remember, I just remember that form MT 3HKOing/ST 2HKOing for about three turns then failing hilariously. That probably makes the fight a bit strange, and I don't remember if Janus' damage was ITD there.

Not that I've thought about it much, but I've been allowing it (generally pretty lenient on that sort of thing). Thing is, I have a touch higher damage respect for this form that still doesn't match what he did to my underlevelled team (lol almost dying to Negative Rainbow spam), so he might kill in that three turns if he's doing full damage, and... I think Clive was the only one I could actually land a physical with, everyone else was missing so much that I just kind of gave up damaging him until the buffs wore off (also, didn't realize immediately that, oh hey! those are stat buffs; gogo paying attention or something), and I don't think Kary was super accurate, so maybe lands half her damage?

The evade I honestly didn't notice, but wouldn't be surprised if others did (I only attacked him once, and that was with Clive?). I'm pretty iffy on that form's legality, if nothing else, because Janus can't ever obtain those buffs again (firmly tied to the place he's at instead of tied to his power, and he gets more battle forms. God, Janus is a cockroach even for WA3 boss standards), but mileage may vary.

[James_xeno]

Asellus (Saga) vs Ghaleon (Lunars) - Ghaleon.  MF - don't have any set numbers for her resources for SaGa, but...endgame I'd say Lifesprinkler uses a pool of 60-80 WP?  Been a while since I've gone through the game.  And it was 8 WP?

LS was 10 WP.

[superaielman]

Changing vote on Alonso/Draggy. Alonso does roughly average damage with no SP. Even if I respect that a bit less, Draggy has serious damage issues. His techs are nearly useless for damage (Best one barely breaks 200) and his per hit damage is not good. On top of that Alonso's got good HP, so he very likely pushes Draggy into 4HKO range.

Kill me please.