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Ryu (BoF3) vs Killer (SH3)
Kartikeya (WA5) vs Tidus (FFX)
Ramirez (SoA) vs Raquel Applegate (WA4)
Zio (PS4) vs Kefka Palazzo (FF6)

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Geno (SMRPG) vs Demi (PS4)
Luc (Suikos) vs Naoto Shirogane (P4)
Bowie (ShF2) vs Delita Hyral (FFT)
Hiro (Lunar:EBC) vs Bosch (BoF5)

Middle

Adell (Disgaea 2) vs Jennifer (Disgaea)
Mizuki (S4) vs Amarant Coral (FF9)
Jibril (SO2) vs Tio (G2)
Yukiko Amagi (P4) vs Halley Branckett (SH1)

Light

Vinsfeld Rhadamanthus (WA2) vs Hervey (S4)
Karn (BoF1) vs Edward Damcyan (FF4)
Seth (FE8) vs Serph (DDS)
Mogu (BoF1) vs Shiba (S3)
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Ryu (BoF3) vs Killer (SH3) - Killer.  Yay bosses, I guess.
Kartikeya (WA5) vs Tidus (FFX) - Kartikeya.  Vortex smash.  Being faster and the most durable of the Sentinels helps a lot, and his damage is good too!  Yeah...not particularly close, I feel.
Ramirez (SoA) vs Raquel Applegate (WA4) - Ramirez.
Zio (PS4) vs Kefka Palazzo (FF6) - Zio.  Kefka wishes I played Dissidia.

Heavy

Geno (SMRPG) vs Demi (PS4) - Geno.  Overkill damage.
Luc (Suikos) vs Naoto Shirogane (P4) - Luc.  Boss!
Bowie (ShF2) vs Delita Hyral (FFT) - Bowie.
Hiro (Lunar:EBC) vs Bosch (BoF5) - Bosch.  Not close.  Upgrade to Godlike, damnit!

Middle

Adell (Disgaea 2) vs Jennifer (Disgaea) - ...huh.  I take both endgames at 75, so no advantage for Adell there...he has evasion, but Jenn's accuracy is fine, and she has relatively fine damage.  On the other hand...Adell's is better.  Adell.
Mizuki (S4) vs Amarant Coral (FF9) - Amarant.
Jibril (SO2) vs Tio (G2) - Jibril!  EAAAAAAAT
Yukiko Amagi (P4) vs Halley Branckett (SH1) - ...wow.  Halley...mmm...has to land ID from Black Hole to effectively win before SP constraints.  Wishes he had ice magic instead of water...bleh.  This is weird.  Yukiko probably manages, as she has to die twice.

Light

Vinsfeld Rhadamanthus (WA2) vs Hervey (S4) - Vinny.
Karn (BoF1) vs Edward Damcyan (FF4) - Edward.  Uber speed and Hide win the day.
Seth (FE8) vs Serph (DDS) - Serph...
Mogu (BoF1) vs Shiba (S3) - Mogu!  Runs away faster
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Ryu (BoF3) vs Killer (SH3)- Smoke less crack OK. I'm pretty sure Ryu can wipe out Killer's unscaled HP without breaking a sweat.
Ramirez (SoA) vs Raquel Applegate (WA4)- Eternum.
Zio (PS4) vs Kefka Palazzo (FF6)-He needs a 3-2 and a 3HKO but I'd bet he gets both.

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Geno (SMRPG) vs Demi (PS4)- Coinflip. I'll buy Whirl working here.
Luc (Suikos) vs Naoto Shirogane (P4)- Also a coinflip. Just went with my head.
Bowie (ShF2) vs Delita Hyral (FFT)- He's probably faster no matter what, which is sad. Bowie also may not 2HKO thanks to Delita HP.
Hiro (Lunar:EBC) vs Bosch (BoF5)- Token 'go AWAY you headache' vote.

Middle

Adell (Disgaea 2) vs Jennifer (Disgaea)- I think.
Mizuki (S4) vs Amarant Coral (FF9)
Jibril (SO2) vs Tio (G2)- Surely Jibril has something that can hit Tio reliably.
Yukiko Amagi (P4) vs Halley Branckett (SH1)- Stone weapon on extra turns. He has way too many ways to pressure Yukiko.

Light

Vinsfeld Rhadamanthus (WA2) vs Hervey (S4)- Fail, Hervey.
Karn (BoF1) vs Edward Damcyan (FF4)- I think? This fails.
Seth (FE8) vs Serph (DDS)- I have way less Serph respect than average and he still handles this. Seth doesn't handle mages worth a damn in the DL.
Mogu (BoF1) vs Shiba (S3)
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Ryu (BoF3) vs Killer (SH3) - Faster.
Zio (PS4) vs Kefka Palazzo (FF6) - I'm not sure Kefka even needs the 3-2, I respect his damage enough for a 2HKO (Don't think Zio even reaches 3x PC HP to me).

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Geno (SMRPG) vs Demi (PS4) - I think Geno misses the 2HKO after Barrier. That's sorta that, and I have my doubts if he even 2HKOs after Geno Boost under Barrier. EDIT: *Calcs, confirms.* Yeah, after Barrier, Geno just misses the 2HKO no matter what. He needs you to see his ID hitting Demi to win the fight or to not see him as average speed after the first turn (even that is problematic, I think? Could happen, but he's dealing with a lot of resources and Demi 4HKOs him after GB, and she's fast enough to not get 4-3'd left and right).
Luc (Suikos) vs Naoto Shirogane (P4) - Um. Wow. Naoto sorta gets like four-five turns turns to hit her ID on Luc due to both his ID spells being entirely evadable and Endure. I have enough respect for her ID to say she gets it in time. Doesn't hurt she gets the first turn.
Bowie (ShF2) vs Delita Hyral (FFT) - Bowie's speed first turn is pretty horrible and he doesn't even 2HKO Delita. That's sorta the end for him.

Middle

Mizuki (S4) vs Amarant Coral (FF9) - Being faster is all she needs. Dhyer may point out numbers are different and she may miss the 2HKO, but I won't vote off the new numbers until they're up, since I don't -know- what they are. So, Mizuki can enjoy 2HKOing a little while longer. >_>
Jibril (SO2) vs Tio (G2) - ... this fight fails. So hard.
Yukiko Amagi (P4) vs Halley Branckett (SH1) - Kneejerk. The evade will be pesky for the first few turns and sorta annoying afterwards, but Halley is faster, Stone is ending the match stat and he doesn't get 2HKOed either. This just elegantly circumvents the whole "does Halley hit weakness on Yukiko or not" debate.

Light

Vinsfeld Rhadamanthus (WA2) vs Hervey (S4) - God, Hervey, you couldn't even have the decency to pick up a L4.
Karn (BoF1) vs Edward Damcyan (FF4) - ... right, status bait and Karn doesn't OHKO. Blah, FF4a.
Seth (FE8) vs Serph (DDS) - Man. Ugly.
Mogu (BoF1) vs Shiba (S3) - Shiba is the less worthless fighter in a match. Awe.
« Last Edit: September 05, 2009, 01:09:00 PM by Jo'ou Ranbu »
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Ryu (BoF3) vs Killer (SH3)- Faster since I take him when the final dungeon opens up.
Kartikeya (WA5) vs Tidus (FFX)
Ramirez (SoA) vs Raquel Applegate (WA4)
Zio (PS4) vs Kefka Palazzo (FF6)- Gut

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Geno (SMRPG) vs Demi (PS4)
Luc (Suikos) vs Naoto Shirogane (P4)- Both can kill each other in a turn, but Luc needs to kill wtice.
Bowie (ShF2) vs Delita Hyral (FFT)
Hiro (Lunar:EBC) vs Bosch (BoF5)- Bleh. Probably Bosch, given his stupid AI and combos.

Middle

Adell (Disgaea 2)
vs Jennifer (Disgaea)- He 2HKOs, she 3HKOs
Mizuki (S4) vs Amarant Coral (FF9)- She 3HKOs first.
Jibril (SO2) vs Tio (G2)- Even if Tio wanted to play her full out evasion games, she'll get killed by Thunderstorm. Otherwise, she just gets killed.
Yukiko Amagi (P4) vs Halley Branckett (SH1)

Light

Vinsfeld Rhadamanthus (WA2) vs Hervey (S4)
Karn (BoF1) vs Edward Damcyan (FF4)
Seth (FE8) vs Serph (DDS)
Mogu (BoF1) vs Shiba (S3)
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Ryu (BoF3) vs Killer (SH3): Ryu can stack a unique ID-resisting sword with a universal ID-resisting accessory to get immunity, so it doesn't even matter who goes first.
Ramirez (SoA) vs Raquel Applegate (WA4): Raquel 4HKOs for me, so Ramirez gets 4 or 5 turns. I can't imagine Raquel survivng all of them.
Zio (PS4) vs Kefka Palazzo (FF6)

Heavy

Geno (SMRPG) vs Demi (PS4)
Luc (Suikos) vs Naoto Shirogane (P4): After landing the ID all he needs to do is physical Naoto once. I think his speed and MDef are enough to buy him enough time for that.
Hiro (Lunar:EBC) vs Bosch (BoF5)

Middle

Adell (Disgaea 2) vs Jennifer (Disgaea)
Jibril (SO2) vs Tio (G2)
Yukiko Amagi (P4) vs Halley Branckett (SH1): lolsp, I think? Halley would need more SP than yukiko has partial heals. Going for unreliable status isn't smart against Yukiko-level damage. And when is Halley getting these doubleturns to try and apply it for free? Yukiko's average speed after turn 1 and SH characters are all pretty close.

Light

Karn (BoF1) vs Edward Damcyan (FF4)
Seth (FE8) vs Serph (DDS)
Mogu (BoF1) vs Shiba (S3)
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Luc (Suikos) vs Naoto Shirogane (P4): After landing the ID all he needs to do is physical Naoto once. I think his speed and MDef are enough to buy him enough time for that.

Isn't his physical very slow and inaccurate? Granted, The Shredding is fast and covers that purpose better, so it's just nagging at pointless specifics.
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Ryu (BoF3) vs Killer (SH3): Ryu can stack a unique ID-resisting sword with a universal ID-resisting accessory to get immunity, so it doesn't even matter who goes first.

Killer has non-Fire based prone combos which is what he'd be using if he went first.
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And doing what? OHKOing?

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Yes. Prone is +50% to the next attack, I believe (That's how Gilbert would be doing those 600+ combos at least).
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Mizuki (S4) vs Amarant Coral (FF9) - Just about beats out Amarant in pretty much every stat. Ouch.
« Last Edit: September 05, 2009, 02:12:18 PM by Yoshiken »

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Re: Season 54, Week 2 - Daily quote: "What in the flying fuck is a Jibril anyway
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2009, 02:07:52 PM »
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Kartikeya (WA5) vs Tidus (FFX) - Almost anything'd do Tidus in? After Evil Grin, Lock-on comes fairly fast, but... somehow I don't think Karti needs it against TIDUS.

Heavy

Luc (Suikos) vs Naoto Shirogane (P4) - I want to say, from stat topics alone, that Funeral Wind -> The Shredding should definitely defeat Naoto. Then again, if Hamaon and/or Mudoon don't check Mdef, Luc's pretty toasted. Obviously no vote for lack of P4 and not getting why they survive ID?
Bowie (ShF2) vs Delita Hyral (FFT)
Hiro (Lunar:EBC) vs Bosch (BoF5) - @_@

Middle

Adell (Disgaea 2) vs Jennifer (Disgaea)
Mizuki (S4) vs Amarant Coral (FF9)
Jibril (SO2) vs Tio (G2)

Light

Vinsfeld Rhadamanthus (WA2) vs Hervey (S4) - I mean, what?
Karn (BoF1) vs Edward Damcyan (FF4) - Can't believe I'm voting Edward. This fails so hard.
Seth (FE8) vs Serph (DDS) - Seth wishes he could counter MT attacks. Arguably, even that wouldn't save him.
Mogu (BoF1) vs Shiba (S3) - Wait, Mogu can do damage?

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Persona 4 status checks LUC, so magical resilience doesn't drop it.  You can also argue Naoto is immune to ID, since in-game, she guards it all (well, not all - Ghastly Wail still gets her, but the common ID is all dark/light, and Luc's is wind, so...you can argue, probably not >_>)
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Just to make sure, Raquel had draining that refills ~50% of her HP and gets instant turns when her HP drops below 25%, right?

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More importantly, Luc's ID is evadable in-game, and P4 evade also applies to magic. It doesn't apply to pure status-type stuff, but Luc's ID spells both are damage with the ID effect attached, which is demonstrable in-game to be evadable in P4. Naoto's evade with Miori Shirt is outright insane (80%~ range), which makes Luc have as much of an issue hitting Naoto with his ID as she has with him, and that's assuming you let his MDef check against her ID (which I do! Just... yeah, evade and Endure).

To Sei: Raquel has the parasitic healing, yes. The turn-getting limit only happens at the 20% HP range, though.
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Re: Season 54, Week 2 - Daily quote: "What in the flying fuck is a Jibril anyway
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2009, 02:23:45 PM »
Suikoden 3 has a Luck stat, but it's not listed. Unfortunately I don't have an endgame save I can use to quickly check stats for him, otherwise, yeah.

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Geno (SMRPG) vs Demi (PS4) - Geno Whirl works on mechanical enemies in-game to my knowledge, which is good enough here.

Bowie (ShF2) vs Delita Hyral (FFT) - Yeah.

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Kartikeya (WA5) vs Tidus (FFX)
Ramirez (SoA) vs Raquel Applegate (WA4) - Has an outside shot even without Eternum.

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Luc (Suikos) vs Naoto Shirogane (P4) - Thinking Endure and the evasion buy more than enough time.

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Yukiko Amagi (P4) vs Halley Branckett (SH1)
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Ryu (BoF3)
vs Killer (SH3)
Kartikeya (WA5) vs Tidus (FFX)
Ramirez (SoA) vs Raquel Applegate (WA4)
Zio (PS4) vs Kefka Palazzo (FF6)

Heavy

Geno (SMRPG) vs Demi (PS4)
Luc (Suikos) vs Naoto Shirogane (P4)
Bowie (ShF2) vs Delita Hyral (FFT)
Hiro (Lunar:EBC) vs Bosch (BoF5)

Middle

Adell (Disgaea 2) vs Jennifer (Disgaea)
Mizuki (S4) vs Amarant Coral (FF9)
Jibril (SO2) vs Tio (G2)
Yukiko Amagi (P4) vs Halley Branckett (SH1)

Light

Vinsfeld Rhadamanthus (WA2) vs Hervey (S4)
Karn (BoF1) vs Edward Damcyan (FF4)
Seth (FE8) vs Serph (DDS)
Mogu (BoF1) vs Shiba (S3)
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Re: Season 54, Week 2 - Daily quote: "What in the flying fuck is a Jibril anyway
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2009, 06:40:07 PM »
Dhyer: I'm not seeing how Killer OHKOs, offhand. I can't ever recall him using a combo in which one of his Prone attacks comes first (SH bosses do have set combo restrictions, remember). Even if he did, I don't think it matters. Ryu has beastly defence, and Killer's best damage is physical in these circumstances (Vice Blade for the opener, since Malice Dirge is explicitly end-combo only, then Physical or Instant Death). His best Vice Blade->magic is 460 damage, assuming Prone for the magic, which OK lists as average HP for that fight, so even if you see that as a bit high, Ryu should still survive.

There's also the issue with Killer going first in the first place; he is notably slower than Gilbert or Lady so I can't see him as at all far above average.


Super: Your interp of Serph should crash hard to Seth, unless I'm missing something? Seth should win a speed tiebreak due to omgwtf movement which lets him strike first in-game, and 3HKOs first. (If you don't buy the speed tiebreak argument, then Seth still has a better chance to evade.) Granted, non-average stats Serph should 2HKO (he's not too far from it with average stats, though clearly misses it) and quite possibly avoid the 3HKO, so he doesn't have this issue.


Pretty sure Demi wins if you don't see Whirl working, but not sure how I feel about that one myself.


Hiro beats Bosch.


Bowie/Delita is I dunno. Bowie is definitely faster, though? I remember Bowie being average (SF RNG), but even if he's below, it'd have to be quite a bit since SF2 speed is average after the first turn, and Delita himself is 10% below average, which is significant. I kinda lean Bowie but Delita could evade his way out of trouble? Need to look at that one more closely later.


Karn clobbers FF4o Edward.


Don't know/care about Jibril/Tio and Mogu/Shiba.


I think other matches are probably straightforward.

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Super: Your interp of Serph should crash hard to Seth, unless I'm missing something? Seth should win a speed tiebreak due to omgwtf movement which lets him strike first in-game, and 3HKOs first. (If you don't buy the speed tiebreak argument, then Seth still has a better chance to evade.) Granted, non-average stats Serph should 2HKO (he's not too far from it with average stats, though clearly misses it) and quite possibly avoid the 3HKO, so he doesn't have this issue.

Seth's 2HKOed by average magic damage. Serph's damage takes a hit without the magic twinking, but if he's above the Cielo tier of magic offense he should make the 2HKO there.  Evasion doesn't matter, as Serph's very likely better at that than Seth.



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Bowie/Delita is I dunno. Bowie is definitely faster, though? I remember Bowie being average (SF RNG), but even if he's below, it'd have to be quite a bit since SF2 speed is average after the first turn, and Delita himself is 10% below average, which is significant. I kinda lean Bowie but Delita could evade his way out of trouble? Need to look at that one more closely later.

Stat topic says it's by a pretty notable amount. Bowie not being able to 2HKO either really doesn't help matters.
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Seth's 2HKOed by average magic damage

No, he isn't. Not even especially close, he's 2 points below average in each of HP and Res. That's about 87% magical durability. Average stats Serph is not above average damage.

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Bowie not being able to 2HKO either really doesn't help matters.

Does Delita 2HKO back, though? Bowie's HP/Def are pretty good. And the longer the fight goes on, the harder it is to argue that Bowie is slower. That said, the easier it is to argue that Delita's evade tilts the fight.

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Personally I don't hold FFT equips that I don't allow temps to use in the DL against the performance of temps themselves, so Delita is above average speed to me. YMMV on temp scaling issues, of course.

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Seth's 2HKOed by average magic damage

No, he isn't. Not even especially close, he's 2 points below average in each of HP and Res. That's about 87% magical durability. Average stats Serph is not above average damage.

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Bowie not being able to 2HKO either really doesn't help matters.

Does Delita 2HKO back, though? Bowie's HP/Def are pretty good. And the longer the fight goes on, the harder it is to argue that Bowie is slower. That said, the easier it is to argue that Delita's evade tilts the fight.

I was using 20/12 numbers there.

Delita? It's possible he doesn't. He still has a chance to crit/evade/land a holy sword status.
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