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How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle Part One)
« on: October 06, 2009, 12:00:52 PM »
Thought around 50 might work for starters >_>

The usual drill, vote for who you can w/th reasons as optional.

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Yukiko vs LoD Melbu Frahma
Yukiko vs EB Poo
Yukiko vs PS1 Noah
Yukiko vs S3 Sarah
Yukiko vs Disgaea Laharl
Yukiko vs CC Grobyc
Yukiko vs LoL2 Kazan
Yukiko vs G1 Baal 3.80
Yukiko vs WA Rudy Roughknight
Yukiko vs MK Flay Gunnar
Yukiko vs Brig Lance
Yukiko vs LoD Albert Serdio
Yukiko vs SF2 Peter
Yukiko vs Lufia1 Hero 
Yukiko vs WA2 Brad Evans
Yukiko vs AtLC Gruga 3.76
Yukiko vs AtLC Iga 3.76
Yukiko vs G2 Ryudo 3.76
Yukiko vs Lunar2 Borgan
Yukiko vs Suikos Pesmerga
Yukiko vs ToD Mary Argent
Yukiko vs ToS Regal Bryant
Yukiko vs CC Leah
Yukiko vs XS Jr.
Yukiko vs LoD Meru
Yukiko vs CT Robo
Yukiko vs FE8 Lyon
Yukiko vs SO2 Vesper
Yukiko vs FE9 Mia
Yukiko vs vG3 Ulf 3.70
Yukiko vs PKMN Moltres
Yukiko vs PKMN Blaziken
Yukiko vs S3 Edge
Yukiko vs Disgaea2 Adell
Yukiko vs FE7 Canas
Yukiko vs ToD Bruiser Khang
Yukiko vs Suikos Valeria
Yukiko vs FF1 Lich 
Yukiko vs PS1 Alis Landale
Yukiko vs CC Karsh
Yukiko vs LoL Vahn
Yukiko vs FFT Vormav Tingel
Yukiko vs LoD Lavitz Slambert
Yukiko vs AtL4 Darc
Yukiko vs FFT Ramza Beoulve
Yukiko vs LoD Haschel
Yukiko vs FE8 Valter
Yukiko vs FFT Wiegraf Folles
Yukiko vs S1 Odessa Silverberg
Yukiko BoF2 Nina Wyndia
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle Part One)
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2009, 01:02:41 PM »
Yukiko vs LoD Melbu Frahma - Kneejerking Melbu is fail and Yuki probably evades his stati anyway.
Yukiko vs CC Grobyc - Kneejerk is CC scrub
Yukiko vs G1 Baal 3.80 - Kneejerk is Baal is fail
Yukiko vs WA Rudy Roughknight
Yukiko vs MK Flay Gunnar
Yukiko vs LoD Albert Serdio - Kneejerk is Al vs mage/healer
Yukiko vs CC Leah - Think Yukiko resists Leah's stuff.
Yukiko vs XS Jr.- Yep.
Yukiko vs LoD Meru Kneejerk Meru attacks for SPs, barely survives an OHKO and proceeds to heal/spoil from there. W/th starting SP Meru totally reams Yuki though >_>
Yukiko vs CT Robo Think so?
Yukiko vs CC Karsh - Hey not!Al
Yukiko vs LoD Lavitz Slambert - Hey Not!Al
Yukiko vs AtL4 Darc
Yukiko vs LoD Haschel Kneejerk is speed demon Haschel/Destroyer Mace hype!?
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle Part One)
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2009, 03:03:08 PM »
Yukiko vs LoD Melbu Frahma- It's Melbu.
Yukiko vs PS1 Noah- Mage.
Yukiko vs S3 Sarah- Boss Sarah doesn't have enough HP to hang around here.
Yukiko vs Disgaea Laharl- Laharl.
Yukiko vs CC Grobyc- Evasion works.
Yukiko vs LoL2 Kazan
Yukiko vs G1 Baal- Pass.
Yukiko vs WA Rudy Roughknight- Think Rudy runs out of bullets here. This fight fails.
Yukiko vs MK Flay Gunnar- High grade physicals.
Yukiko vs Brig Lance- Lance has very good accuracy and the physical is a heal lock. He also resists Yukiko's damage.
Yukiko vs LoD Albert Serdio
Yukiko vs SF2 Peter- I argued for this one a bit at length. Yukiko's barely damaging Peter with her magic and a crit hit or double attack is horrible death. Don't think she can status or outlast her way past that.
Yukiko vs Lufia1 Hero- Faster and has a physical that registers on the damage scale.
Yukiko vs WA2 Brad Evans- Should get a good lock on attack off in time.
Yukiko vs AtLC Gruga- Think he can OHKO her in time.
Yukiko vs AtLC Iga 3.76- Pass, Iga's a blur.
Yukiko vs G2 Ryudo 3.76- Faster ITE physical.
Yukiko vs Lunar2 Borgan- Pass.
Yukiko vs Suikos Pesmerga- Resists fire and is faster. Yukiko immuning fire hurts his offense a little, but I think he still has a heal lock. This is pending an accuracy check though... wait right, Pes wasn't that accurate in S2 and has a mighty COUNTER RUNE!!! never mind.
Yukiko vs ToD Mary Argent
Yukiko vs CC Leah
Yukiko vs XS Jr.- Misty. Yukiko hates status.
Yukiko vs LoD Meru- Meru absolutely splatters Yukiko turn two but needs to get past her evasion twice. Ehhh.
Yukiko vs CT Robo- Opts for SP fan , runs him out of resources.
Yukiko vs FE8 Lyon- OHKO
Yukiko vs SO2 Vesper- Mind absorber hype?
Yukiko vs vG3 Ulf 3.70
Yukiko vs PKMN Moltres- Skipping these two for the moment.
Yukiko vs PKMN Blaziken
Yukiko vs S3 Edge
Yukiko vs Disgaea2 Adell
Yukiko vs FE7 Canas- Counters give Yukiko fits.
Yukiko vs ToD Bruiser Khang- OHKO.
Yukiko vs Suikos Valeria- Falcon can't miss.
Yukiko vs FF1 Lich- Hold. Fire weakness is very bad for Lich, but Yukiko can't fully exploit it in time.  He also has ice magic too.
Yukiko vs PS1 Alis Landale
Yukiko vs CC Karsh
Yukiko vs LoL Vahn
Yukiko vs FFT Vormav Tingel- She can't afford to lose her armor.
Yukiko vs LoD Lavitz Slambert
Yukiko vs AtL4 Darc- Think Darc can survive till a double.
Yukiko vs FFT Ramza Beoulve- Flame shield/ice brand.
Yukiko vs LoD Haschel- LoD hates evasion.
Yukiko vs FE8 Valter- Valter was fairly accurate and I'd bet he doubles to boot.
Yukiko vs FFT Wiegraf Folles- ITE physical.
Yukiko vs S1 Odessa Silverberg- Sleep.
Yukiko BoF2 Nina Wyndia- Death.
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle Part One)
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2009, 08:45:17 PM »
Yukiko vs FE9 Mia - Both evade the opponent a ridiculous amount, but Yukiko has the capacity to heal back up. Don't think Mia can get past that one.
Yukiko vs PKMN Moltres - Moltres 3HKOs w/either Sky Attack+Wing Attack or 3x Wing Attack. Which means that Yukiko heals off any damage and then continues with her 5HKO here.
Yukiko vs PKMN Blaziken - Sky Uppercut is 2HKOing here, and that means Yukiko can heal through to a miss. I think she'd kill before he manages to critical. (To me, Pokemon critical chances <<<<< Pokemon miss chances.)
Yukiko vs FF1 Lich - Status.

Seems like Yukiko's only losing to Ice or status in Middle. Otherwise, she's a high Heavy. >.>

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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle Part One)
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2009, 10:48:46 PM »
Yukiko vs EB Poo - Status, speed.
Yukiko vs S3 Sarah - Spoiled. Less healing, Silent Lake isn't a good idea, the Fire magic is walled.
Yukiko vs Disgaea Laharl - Thinking. (PB form, so I'm an aberration, natch.)
Yukiko vs CC Grobyc - Uh.
Yukiko vs LoL2 Kazan - Mystic Artes.
Yukiko vs WA Rudy Roughknight -
Yukiko vs MK Flay Gunnar - Wham.
Yukiko vs SF2 Peter - Uh... gut says Peter? But Iunno.
Yukiko vs Lufia1 Hero  --- Rest later.
Yukiko vs WA2 Brad Evans
Yukiko vs AtLC Gruga 3.76
Yukiko vs AtLC Iga 3.76
Yukiko vs G2 Ryudo 3.76
Yukiko vs Lunar2 Borgan
Yukiko vs Suikos Pesmerga
Yukiko vs ToD Mary Argent
Yukiko vs ToS Regal Bryant
Yukiko vs CC Leah
Yukiko vs XS Jr.
Yukiko vs LoD Meru
Yukiko vs CT Robo
Yukiko vs FE8 Lyon
Yukiko vs SO2 Vesper
Yukiko vs FE9 Mia
Yukiko vs vG3 Ulf 3.70
Yukiko vs PKMN Moltres
Yukiko vs PKMN Blaziken
Yukiko vs S3 Edge
Yukiko vs Disgaea2 Adell
Yukiko vs FE7 Canas
Yukiko vs ToD Bruiser Khang
Yukiko vs Suikos Valeria
Yukiko vs FF1 Lich
Yukiko vs PS1 Alis Landale
Yukiko vs CC Karsh
Yukiko vs LoL Vahn
Yukiko vs FFT Vormav Tingel
Yukiko vs LoD Lavitz Slambert
Yukiko vs AtL4 Darc
Yukiko vs FFT Ramza Beoulve
Yukiko vs LoD Haschel
Yukiko vs FE8 Valter
Yukiko vs FFT Wiegraf Folles
Yukiko vs S1 Odessa Silverberg
Yukiko BoF2 Nina Wyndia

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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle Part One)
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2009, 11:11:43 PM »
Yukiko vs S3 Sarah
Yukiko vs Disgaea Laharl
Yukiko vs WA Rudy Roughknight
Yukiko vs ToS Regal Bryant - Even if he can halve fire.
Yukiko vs XS Jr.
Yukiko vs CT Robo
Yukiko vs FE8 Lyon - All the time in the world to wear her down with that kind of RES.
Yukiko vs FE9 Mia - Crit/Astra
Yukiko vs PKMN Moltres
Yukiko vs PKMN Blaziken
Yukiko vs S3 Edge
Yukiko vs FE7 Canas - Luna crit.
Yukiko vs FFT Ramza Beoulve
Yukiko vs FE8 Valter
Yukiko vs FFT Wiegraf Folles
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle Part One)
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2009, 11:40:36 PM »
Yukiko vs LoD Melbu Frahma - Melbu.
Yukiko vs Poo - Okay, so I forgot Poo had Ice damage. Freeze I think doesn't save Paula, but it does save Poo, he's fast enough to capitalize on it pretty well and doesn't get 2HKOed in a hurry like Paula does.
Yukiko vs PS1 Noah - Does Noah even have Ice damage? If his best damage is Thunder, he's so very screwed, and I even remember his backup being... Fire/Wind.
Yukiko vs S3 Sarah - BREATH OF ICE HYPE no.
Yukiko vs Grobyc - Evasion.
Yukiko vs LoL2 Kazan - Yukiko effectively 6HKOs Kazan, I think, without even accounting resistances. That's giving him too damned much time.
Yukiko vs G1 Baal - baal
Yukiko vs Rudy Roughknight - ACF Rudy works wonders here: he's accurate, and should OHKO Yukiko twice - and should have the FP for Lock-on by turn two, to boot. Since he's not getting 3-2'd...
Yukiko vs MK Flay Gunnar - Buster Star!
Yukiko vs Brig Lance - I don't think anything short of Lyonesse/Cai 2HKO anything in Brig to me, and I don't think Lance is above average enough to 2HKO Yukiko.
Yukiko vs LoD Albert Serdio - Christ, she probably 2HKOs him.
Yukiko vs SF2 Peter - I dunno, think she just connects Enervate (should get the two first turns for free) and then proceeds to make too much leeway to lose. She has enough evade throughout the match to make Peter's hax irrelevant on average too.
Yukiko vs Lufia1 Hero - The status hax should get her through here. Similar resource depth, but Enervate should get Melinda in dire straits. 
Yukiko vs WA2 Brad Evans - Yukiko probably 4-3s Brad (faster even first turn and becomes average afterwards), and Brad -also has to connect his damage to build FP-. He's admitting defeat like a good boyscout if he blows his FP off the bat, because Yukiko just heals through it. He needs to OHKO Yukiko first-turn here, and that's laughable.
Yukiko vs AtLC Gruga - Invincible is an epically bad idea here. Charge has to run through evade and he's getting 2HKOed himself.
Yukiko vs AtLC Iga - More statusy hax.
Yukiko vs G2 Ryudo - Ryudo runs out of resources awfully fast if he's trying to keep her heal-locked. The only thing he heal-locks with is SDS and that's what, 3PB? A double isn't coming anytime soon either, and he's wasting time if he's trying to physical Yukiko.
Yukiko vs Lunar2 Borgan - EBO Borgan: actually sorta competent.
Yukiko vs Suikos Pesmerga - Yeah.
Yukiko vs ToD Mary Argent - Mary blows.
Yukiko vs CC Leah - Evade.
Yukiko vs XS Jr. - Misty makes Yukiko so emo.
Yukiko vs LoD Meru - Meru misses turn one and Yukiko is risking a OHKO on her as is due to hitting weakness. This is very ugly.
Yukiko vs CT Robo - Is faster and 2HKOs.
Yukiko vs FE8 Lyon - If nothing else, accuracy+WTA should give Lyon the leeway here? Granted, Yukiko avoids the counters... yeah, that ends that with Endure.
Yukiko vs SO2 Vesper - Mind Absorber may not 2HKO Yukiko SP, which is "...". Assuming that, she just finishes the job, and there's a chance she could -evade- it anyway. >_>
Yukiko vs vG3 Ulf 3.70 - FIRE RELIANCE AGAINST YUKIKO AW YEAH
Yukiko vs PKMN Moltres - FIRE RELIANCE AGAINST YUKIKO AW YEAH
Yukiko vs PKMN Blaziken - EDIT: upon closer inspection, Yukiko does -not- 2HKO Blaziken after Fire Break to me, which means she needs at least four turns to win this fight. Given how Blaz goes first and is so close to average speed, don't think Yukiko even laps him properly, which means he's just too likely to win. Miori Shirt's durability hit (it's not nearly as relevant as Monkey makes it sound due to Con largely taking over armor defense for relevance at endgame, but it's there enough) should get Yukiko OHKOed by Sky Uppercut after a Bulk Up. Yeah, that works.
Yukiko vs S3 Edge - luls.
Yukiko vs FE7 Canas - WTA helps. Canas Res helps too. Accuracy is sorta annoying for the first few turns, but afterwards, Canas just can last a long time.
Yukiko vs ToD Bruiser Khang - ... lightning resistance. Christ.
Yukiko vs Suikos Valeria - S2 Falcon being evadable just sucks for Valeria.
Yukiko vs FF1 Lich - Spoilspoilspoil.
Yukiko vs PS1 Alis Landale - No bondage jokes allowed.
Yukiko vs CC Karsh - Evade!
Yukiko vs LoL Vahn - Man, this is a lol.
Yukiko vs FFT Vormav Tingel - Yukiko sorta doesn't give much of a damn about having the ARMOR broken and she 2HKOs Vormav. Endure should tip it. Goddammit, I keep saying one thing and meaning your mother with Vormav.
Yukiko vs LoD Lavitz Slambert - Like an Albert.
Yukiko vs FFT Ramza Beoulve - Elfboy smiles from his grave.
Yukiko vs LoD Haschel - God, LoD cast hates Yukiko with a passion.
Yukiko vs FE8 Valter - Sure. Valter even doubles Yukiko, and should one-turn her to boot. Accuracy is nice.
Yukiko vs FFT Wiegraf Folles - Sorta like Vormav.
Yukiko vs S1 Odessa Silverberg - She sleeps Yukiko until Suku runs out, then just heals until a double comes - and it's coming pretty fast, Odessa is horrendously quick and borderline 2HKOs Yukiko. She even has the charges to do the whole shenanigans twice.
Yukiko vs. BoF2 Nina Wyndia - Faster by enough to not get lapped, I think, so Death x2 at worst handles the day.
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle Part One)
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2009, 11:45:08 PM »
Re: Fire Break and Blaziken, she has to heal off the Sky Uppercuts that connect, and... Fire Break lasts three turns, so she has to keep reapplying that every time she tries for offense. Thinking Blaziken gets the crit beforehand.

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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle Part One)
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2009, 11:59:22 PM »
Re: Fire Break and Blaziken, she has to heal off the Sky Uppercuts that connect, and... Fire Break lasts three turns, so she has to keep reapplying that every time she tries for offense. Thinking Blaziken gets the crit beforehand.

Given how she 2HKOs after Fire Break and Sky Uppercut is inaccurate, I think that's not really happening. I even have to check Sky Uppercut's damage. A crit isn't happening before one of them dies either way, crit rates outside very specific moves in Pokémon besides gen 1 utterly fail.

EDIT: Yeah, both Yukiko and Sky Uppercut scrape a 2HKO, Sky Uppercut is 90% accuracy.

For Sky Uppercut, that's a 30% chance to hit Yukiko in the first three turns, a 60% chance to hit after those three turns are done. Blaziken doesn't even get more than three turns, he's screwed. And he needs to Bulk Up twice to OHKO Yukiko at best. Not happening.
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle Part One)
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2009, 02:50:40 AM »
Can't vote on Yukiko, but a few quick comments:


-Leer -> Sky Attack is Moltres' best bet for damage against anything fire resistance, but it still hits evade and any potential wind resist.

-Sky Uppercut takes 16 turns on average to crit before factoring in the imperfect accuracy. I really doubt that's happening against Yukiko.

-Vormav doesn't even have the weapon break skill, only armor and helmet.

-Wiegraf has Holy Sword skills, not Mighty Sword. Lightning Stab sounds pretty bad for Yukiko unless she has a silence blocker, since it threatens a 2HKO+status chance and ignores evade.

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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle Part One)
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2009, 02:56:39 AM »
-Wiegraf has Holy Sword skills, not Mighty Sword. Lightning Stab sounds pretty bad for Yukiko unless she has a silence blocker, since it threatens a 2HKO+status chance and ignores evade.

Yeah, well aware of that. How is Wiegraf's MEvade, by the way? For Yukiko to win, she absolutely needs Endure, since he 2HKOs her before that and is faster. If one of the Agidynes misses on average, he has the fight.
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle Part One)
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2009, 05:20:29 AM »
Any reason blaziken can't just mirror move fire break then go to town with flamethrower?

Also miori shirt means Yukiko is in real danger of being OHKOed by sky uppercut, or 2HKOed by something like slash.
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle Part One)
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2009, 05:45:40 AM »
Any reason blaziken can't just mirror move fire break then go to town with flamethrower?

I'm not sure if it makes much of a difference. He basically wastes a turn for 10% more accuracy, both Flamethrower and Sky uppercut 2HKO Yukiko. So, yeah, he even -can-, but it's not that awesome an idea. Burn is mostly "hey look there's something resembling a use for Salvation" there.
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle Part One)
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2009, 06:47:12 AM »
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle Part One)
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2009, 02:49:24 PM »
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What happens if Meru/Haschel equip SP farming equipment (head/armour) and just guard vs Yukiko? I think guarding touches on the speed mechanics of LoD as well, turns arrive quicker after guarding? I've had Meru rapidly double that way. Though I'm not sure if it is the guarding or just the usual Meru/Haschel speed demon madness.

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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle Part One)
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2009, 06:32:36 PM »
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What happens if Meru/Haschel equip SP farming equipment (head/armour) and just guard vs Yukiko? I think guarding touches on the speed mechanics of LoD as well, turns arrive quicker after guarding?

Meru doubles quickly that way because she doubles enemies quickly period and guarding gives you time to notice speed. I've abused Defend in the earlygame a lot, and given how Dart was doubling once every ten turns against enemies while Albert/Lavitz doubled never while defending, it'd be safe to say defend does nothing to speed. Honestly, to me guarding is just delaying the inevitable (I only allow the unique aspects of a defend command, so they uh get status immunity and 10% REGEN AW YEAH that's still getting them killed. Meru still gets 2HKOed through dragoon, etc).
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle Part One)
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2009, 07:16:16 PM »
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Yukiko vs ToD Bruiser Khang - ... lightning resistance. Christ.

I -think- Bruiser still 2HKOs (-200 attack to his next weapon) without that battle knuckle.  Yukiko durability helps there too.

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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle Part One)
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2009, 07:24:25 PM »
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Yukiko vs ToD Bruiser Khang - ... lightning resistance. Christ.

I -think- Bruiser still 2HKOs (-200 attack to his next weapon) without that battle knuckle.  Yukiko durability helps there too.

The lightning element is attached to Ballistic regardless of the weapon's element, I'm pretty sure. I had Bruiser's non-elemental Tower of Druaga weapon for endgame and the hits were still classed as thunder.

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Don't think Dynamite Rush is elemental Snow.

EDIT: So it is NE! Just... is it enough? I certainly don't take its damage nearly as high as it is in the stat topic (endgame skills at L5? noez. L3 even would be reasonable, but L5 is a bit much), and Endure+Yukiko healing means he has issues heal-locking anyway. Don't think it's working out awesomely for him.

EDIT2: Assuming I -did- view it as L5, though, Ulf would win pretty handily, since that's like mid-80% PC HP, which is "OHKO Yukiko" range. Also, changed vote on Blaziken vs. Yukiko.
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle Part One)
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2009, 03:37:53 AM »
Yukiko vs EB Poo - *PSYDUCK*. Okay, this is vaguely failure. Poo's best damage here is actually PSI Freeze Gamma (Stat topic doesn't list this since Starstorm Beta > it normally) due to Yukiko's Ice Weakness. He's not bothering with status because if he does, Yukiko equips that fan that blocks confusion by 50% and mocks the status odds EVEN FURTHER.  There's no damage figures from the stat topic for Freeze Gamma, so I ran through the Starmen.net database to pick up the damage, which listed on average 540. I'm basing the rest of this calculation from that. FYI, Freeze Gamma's PP cost is 18.

540 ice damage after Yukiko's ice weakness becomes 810. EB stat average for damage is 720? But the damage largely doesn't matter due to press turn. I don't think she had anyway to null this weakness from armors. So, assuming that the Miori Shirt evade is her armor option (and I honestly don't know if she wants another one here), she basically needs to kill in exactly three turns before Poo stun/dizzy locks her to death. One shot of Agidyne (based on the damage average that includes Souji's HT), is something like 0.89 PCHP. Poo is roughly average durability, is faster and has enough PP to fullheal 3 turns. Okay, so that won't work.

Which means! Her best option here is to actually try and status him with Exhaustion (...). This normally doesn't matter, but the SP drain is notable since Poo has resources of failure. Thanks to the Sukakaja, her accuracy is boosted, so Poo's chances of evading will be slim to 0. The hit rate on exhaustion is 30% per stat topic. Do I see this by turn 3? *thinks*

...If it was like a couple points higher I could see it (like 33 and above). YMMV. But yeah, not today. Poo's healing PP cost for 3 rounds + 4 shots of Freeze Gamma is 111. He has 140 SP. So yes, he can kill before running out of PP. Note that if Exhaustion hits he is up shit creek without a paddle though.

*EDIT:* Okay. So this fight just got even MORE psyducky. Thanks EB mechanics: http://starmen.net/mother2/ebdb/psi.php?psi=10.
I am going to ASSUME therefore, that Snow's stated figure of 60% what EB states is correct for Freeze Gamma average. If you decide to take Freeze Gamma damage at 540 or something, be my guest >_>. This drops Poo to 324 damage before weakness hitting, which bumps him back up to 485. NOW THEN...

Since Yukiko deals only 0.89 average as mentioned earlier, Poo only needs to heal once on turn 2 - basically Poo does something, Yukiko hits him with Agidyne, Poo does something again, Yukiko uses Agidyne, Poo heals. He saves 13 PP this way, which means more Freeze Gammas. After one Healing gamma, Poo is down to 127 PP. He can use 15 Freeze Gammas and possibly a Freeze alpha or something afterwards. 15 Freeze Gammas at 485 damage a piece is 7275 EB damage, definitely enough for a kill.  Yukiko only has 89% average for HP (roughly 2.14 or something), so yeah. Poo still kills via Dizzy locking.

If you see Exhaustion hitting Poo, this strategy fails though because of the PP drain, meaning he probably can't get out the needed damage before running out of PP. Then Yukiko just fries him.

*EDIT 2*: Did some more thinking. Assuming that Yukiko will recover after getting dizzied once (ie: Once dizzied, guaranteed to recover after one turn is skipped) since I think *that's* how Dizzy actually works in P4, Poo's best option becomes Freeze Gamma*2 to induce Dizzy and then 2 shots of Starstorm Beta at 720 damage a piece. Thus, actual damage is 458*2 + 720*2 or 2356. Total SP cost is then 133 (13 spent on healing. 42 for Starstorms) Kill point using 2.5 average in EB is 1800 or so. Yukiko's durability from raw HP is 0.89, made worse by the Miori shirt probably. Yeah, definitely leaning Poo if you don't see Exhaustion kicking in.

Yukiko vs CC Grobyc - Yay, something less complex. Anyways, evade makes this simple. Grobyc needs to like hit her with a full chain + a L5 tech+ in order to kill or something. Miori's Shirt evade should definitely kick in somewhere and screw that up.
Yukiko vs WA Rudy Roughknight - Can only vote on ACF Rudy here, which is enough. Snipe Bullet's + Hit means Miori Shirt evade hype is a no go from me. And yeah, Yukiko's not 3-2ing so Rudy will have a chance with Lock On + something (probably Claymore) to finish the job.
Yukiko vs MK Flay Gunnar - Buster Star does horrible horrible things here. Flay's durable to boot
Yukiko vs WA2 Brad Evans - I have no clue off hand. Strongly leaning Yukiko because Brad needs to OHKO as anything else gets healed off by Diarahan eventually. Having played what I have of WA2, he basically needs Boosted Rail Gun in order to do this (correct me if I'm wrong), which means he needs to get 100 FP. Feels like he is just wasting too much time.
Yukiko vs G2 Ryudo - Ryudo needs to OHKO or something because he is running into even WORSE resource issues than Poo (...) if he just heal locks. He's best off trying to silence Yukiko with the godly status hit rate sword of 10% or something before it runs int Miori Shit evade. Um...something tells me this isn't going to work.
Yukiko vs CC Leah - More evade! Boy do CC fighters absolutely hate this. Guess they can try to use just L1 physicals all the way through to build up the gauge, but don't see it killing in time. Plus they needa full chain on the killing turn, and that runs into evade.
Yukiko vs XS Jr. - Misty makes this easy.
Yukiko vs FE8 Lyon - Not exactly sure how Yukiko is avoiding counters (she still triggers although them missing I would buy). Not sure that matters either because Lyon's AS from memory is something horrible. Which means he is likely getting double. And even if not, he still has to go through endure and has FE8 boss HP to deal with.
Yukiko vs FE9 Mia - Um...hm. My gut is to say that Mia gets through the evade (swords + Swordmaster hit), which is really bad for Yukiko. Stalling's out unless she really wants to get crit in the face. I don't even know if Mia doubles, but if she does, this gets even uglier.
Yukiko vs G3 Ulf - Gee, if Snow doesn't see Ulf having a chance here...
Yukiko vs PKMN Moltres - Voting on Gen 3 here. Using hinode's note as his best damage, following is what I think happens: Yukiko (Fire break) -> Moltres (Leer) -> Yukiko (Agidyne) -> Moltres (charge SA) -> Yukiko (Agidyne) -> Moltres (SA goes off) -> repeat until one of them dies. Given how Moltres' first SA has like 50% accuracy (90% base before factoring in Miori's Shirt's evade), I really don't think he wins. Even if he OHKOs since he basically needs to do it twice and it requires a turn to charge. Someone can prove me wrong though.
Yukiko vs PKMN Blaziken - I'll buy Bulk Up + Sky Uppercut OHKO here.
Yukiko vs FE7 Canas - Nosferatu + counters makes Yukiko very emo
Yukiko vs CC Karsh - More of that evade jazz
Yukiko vs FFT Vormav Tingel - See Snow basically
Yukiko vs FFT Ramza Beoulve - Aegis Shield + White Robe I think. Halving Fire means Yukiko probably needs to Fire Break. Aegis just makes things worse in terms of hitting (although your respect may vary). This means Ramza has time to actually set things up. *EDIT: Wait Ice Brand. Stun lock after turn 3 with above defense set up go go go*
Yukiko vs FE8 Valter - Oh Valter doubles? Welp.
Yukiko vs FFT Wiegraf Folles - Riovannes Wiegraf HP is so awesome. After Endure, Weigraf basically 3HKOs. Not good enough. Note, Monastery Wiegraf might actually be better here (think he had White Robe + Elf Mantle), but yeah don't vote on that form myself.
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle Part One)
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2009, 04:33:40 AM »
Yukiko vs EB Poo - *PSYDUCK*. Okay, this is vaguely failure. Poo's best damage here is actually PSI Freeze Gamma (Stat topic doesn't list this since Starstorm Beta > it normally) due to Yukiko's Ice Weakness. He's not bothering with status because if he does, Yukiko equips that fan that blocks confusion by 50% and mocks the status odds EVEN FURTHER.  There's no damage figures from the stat topic for Freeze Gamma, so I ran through the Starmen.net database to pick up the damage, which listed on average 540. I'm basing the rest of this calculation from that. FYI, Freeze Gamma's PP cost is 18.

Actually, Freeze Gamma's damage is like 60% that figure.
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle Part One)
« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2009, 04:47:38 AM »

Yukiko vs EB Poo - Brainshock does something other than suck~?
Yukiko vs PS1 Noah - Hey
Yukiko vs Disgaea Laharl - there
Yukiko vs LoL2 Kazan - everyone
Yukiko vs ACF Rudy Roughknight - this
Yukiko vs MK Flay Gunnar - is
Yukiko vs SF2 Peter - raocow
Yukiko vs Lufia1 Hero - playing
Yukiko vs AtLC Gruga 3.76 - Super
Yukiko vs AtLC Iga 3.76 - Challenge
Yukiko vs G2 Ryudo 3.76 - World
Yukiko vs Suikos Pesmerga - Last
Yukiko vs ToD Mary Argent - time
Yukiko vs ToS Regal Bryant - we
Yukiko vs XS Jr. - were
Yukiko vs CT Robo - over
Yukiko vs FE8 Lyon - there
Yukiko vs FE10 Mia - Now
Yukiko vs PKMN Moltres - we're
Yukiko vs PKMN Blaziken - gonna
Yukiko vs Disgaea2 Adell - go
Yukiko vs FE7 Canas - over
Yukiko vs ToD Bruiser Khang - here
Yukiko vs Suikos Valeria - Red
Yukiko vs FF1 Lich - Switch
Yukiko vs PS1 Alis Landale - Palace
Yukiko vs FFT Vormav Tingel - It's
Yukiko vs FFT Ramza Beoulve - very
Yukiko vs FE8 Valter - red
Yukiko vs FFT Wiegraf Folles - and
Yukiko vs S1 Odessa Silverberg - a
Yukiko BoF2 Nina Wyndia - palace
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle Part One)
« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2009, 08:55:58 AM »
We don't have any CC Blue duelists in Middle? That'd probably avenge all the CC scrubs that died to Miori shirt this day.

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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle Part One)
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2009, 12:37:12 PM »
MARCY!?

Bah looks like Meru's only chance is with starting SPs off the Pretty Hammer/Cool Boogie combo. Oh well. My only consolation is the rest of the cast is also owned horribly by the Miori shirt =-(

Yay more votes, thanks Tide, Nitori *spins*
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle Part One)
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2009, 01:15:35 PM »
We don't have any CC Blue duelists in Middle? That'd probably avenge all the CC scrubs that died to Miori shirt this day.

Just Marcy, who hilariously enough was in this season! Just got curbstombed. Yukiko has trouble with her and Kain both, but luck of the draw and all.
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle Part One)
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2009, 10:43:15 AM »
Usual twenty four hour warning peeps~
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