Campion of Champions - Week 1

[Excal]

Saw CT's topic, and thought it was gonna be a bunch of previous champs against each other.  Turns out it was not.  Sadness ensued until I decided to make one like that of my own.  So here we go.  Picks determined randomly among the 53 seasons.

Godlike

Yuri vs. TG Cid
Sephiroth vs. Ghaleon
Kuja vs. Lady
Emelious vs. Ryu 3


Heavy

Edgar Figaro vs. Sofia
Elc vs. Id
Ted vs. Tidus
Millenia vs. Altima


Middle

Nash Latkje vs. Maria Traydor
Nina 2 vs. Izlude Tingle
Rutee vs. Alice
Berserk vs. Squall


Light

Sara (BoF1) vs. Watari
Palom vs. Red Wizard
Rico vs. Ricardo
Gijimu vs. Fu So Ya

Voting ends in one week.

[superaielman]

Godlike

Yuri vs. TG Cid- Puts way too much pressure on either Yuri form.
Sephiroth vs. Ghaleon- Abstain. Never sure on this fight.
Kuja vs. Lady- I'm not sure words cover how ugly this fight is.
Emelious vs. Ryu 3


Heavy

Edgar Figaro vs. Sofia- Status.
Elc vs. Id- Durable enough to get a turn.
Ted vs. Tidus- Fast enough to get a turn.
Millenia vs. Altima- Strong kneejerk.


Middle

Nina 2 vs. Izlude Tingle- Blocks ID.
Rutee vs. Alice- Can heal until Alice is out of SP.
Berserk vs. Squall- I think. Neither impresses sooo yeah.


Light

Sara (BoF1) vs. Watari
Palom vs. Red Wizard- Far better status slinger.
Rico vs. Ricardo- Speed difference wins it?
Gijimu vs. Fu So Ya- OHKO.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Random tournament involving mostly strong duellers for their divisions? So in.

Yuri Hyuga (SHs) vs. Cidolfas Orlandu (FFT) - Cid is much faster and honestly should OHKO's Yuri's gameworst MP off the bat. That doesn't make him very happy.
Sephiroth (FFVII) vs. Ghaleon (L:SSSC) - Ghaleon is a wee bit too slow. Seph's fast enough to double off the bat and to even get a triple after Ghal's first turn, which makes things very ugly.
Kuja (FFIX) vs. Lady (SH3) - This is a laugh. hay guize high godlike with insane offense against ff9 endgame boss hp.
Emelious de Pamela (G3) vs. Ryu (BoF3) - Emelious can do nothing about Ryu getting a turn. Oh well.

Edgar Roni Figaro (FFVI) vs. Sofia (DQ4) - Sofia hates Confuse => Air Anchor with a rarely seen zeal.
Elc (AtL2) vs. Id (XG) - God, Elc just OHKOs ID with ITE damage. Id fails hardcore at damaging him to boot, as physical damage gets him countered and magical damage against Elc is impossibly worthless.
Ted (S4) vs. Tidus (FFX) - Tidus has a case for one-turning Ted, but don't think he quite does it. The end result is Judgment ripping him in half.
Millenia (G2) vs. Altima (FFT) - I honestly am not sure. 

Nash Latkje (S3) vs. Maria Traydor (SO3) - Nash 2HKOs Maria (above average damage enough for it, methinks), is faster and has enough evade to make her really hate the paralysis odds.
Nina Wyndia (BoF2) vs. Izlude Tingel (FFT) - Faster, mocks ID and so very much 2HKOs. May well OHKO, actually.
Rutee Katrea (ToD) vs. Alice Elliott (SH1) - Alice vs. deep-resources healer who is faster is such an academic matchup.
Berserk (WA) vs. Squall Leonhart (FFVIII) - OHKOs, isn't even 2HKOed, which says how lopsided the fight is.

Sara (BoF1) vs. Watari (S3) - loooooooooooooooool
Palom (FFIV) vs. Red Wizard (FFI) - I'm pretty sure Elfboy agrees, which says something about Red Wizard's immense DL prowess.
Rico Banderas (XG) vs. Ricardo Gomez (SH3) - Rico damage sorta blows, as usual. Ricardo's annoying buff/stall game should last him long enough.
Gijimu (S2) vs. Fu So Ya (FFIV) - OHKOs sorta hard.

[Taishyr]

Godlike

Yuri vs. TG Cid - Double comes way too fast for Yuri to manage.
Sephiroth vs. Ghaleon - EDIT: Screw it, will math this out later.
Kuja vs. Lady


Heavy

Edgar Figaro vs. Sofia
Ted vs. Tidus
Millenia vs. Altima - EDIT: Tide's hype works, I think. Granted, Altima is someone I probably have a bit more durability respect for than average...


Middle

Nash Latkje vs. Maria Traydor - Not thinking Maria can block everything she needs to.
Nina 2 vs. Izlude Tingle - The utter amounts of camp gay knock Nina 2 out. (It's Tingel, I think.)
Berserk vs. Squall - GFs.


Light

Sara (BoF1) vs. Watari
Palom vs. Red Wizard
Rico vs. Ricardo

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Sephiroth vs. Ghaleon - Don't have that speed respect for Sephiroth. Doubles, sure, but with my HP issues... don't think he pulls the win from there, Ghaleon should if he gets a round.

If you see Sephiroth doing as much as 3-2ing Ghaleon, he should win for you given your Ghaleon durability respect. Wall exists and given how Ghaleon is getting 2HKOed by Seph under your HP view, Ghal fails to OHKO even without Chaos Shield unless you see Seph's HP as like 0.6x PC HP. With Chaos Shield, he's failing to -2HKO-. Also, that's S3 Nash, not Lunar Nash, but to me that's same difference anyway. >_>

[Random Consonant]

Heavy
Edgar Figaro vs. Sofia - Noiseblaster + Air Anchor
Elc vs. Id - Gets a turn
Millenia vs. Altima - Eh, sure.  SBE probably doesn't last long enough for her to kill with spells.


Middle
Nina 2 vs. Izlude Tingle - ID immune and is damaging enough


Light
Palom vs. Red Wizard - Just plain better
Gijimu vs. Fu So Ya - Splat

[Dark Holy Elf]

Godlike

Yuri vs. TG Cid: I've gone back and forth on this one in the past. Um... let's see. Cid shouldn't OHKO either HP or MP, but he may be able to get Yuri to not being able to use FtC? Yeah, that seems likely. And he may not even have to.
Sephiroth vs. Ghaleon: Gets 2.5 as many turns. The durability gap isn't 2.5, especially since Wall is basically a free turn here.
Kuja vs. Lady: Ouch.
Emelious vs. Ryu 3: Gets that turn.


Heavy

Edgar Figaro vs. Sofia: Faster, Air Anchor.
Ted vs. Tidus: EDIT: Not as fragile as I thought. So yeah, gets a turn, does over 2x overkill.
Millenia vs. Altima: Grand Cross nonsense.


Middle

Nash Latkje vs. Maria Traydor: Faster 2HKO.
Nina 2 vs. Izlude Tingel: Spoils Death, faster 2HKO.
Berserk: vs. Squall: um


Light

Sara (BoF1) vs. Watari: ITE and huge HP difference.
Palom vs. Red Wizard: Oh fuck no.
Rico vs. Ricardo: Doubleturns and regen give him what he needs.
Gijimu vs. Fu So Ya: Also buying the OHKO.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Ted vs. Tidus: I suspect that Ted's pdur is just too awful here. Could be argued.

Hm. I think Ted's pdef was roughly 1.45 back when I tried calcing effective durabilities for S4 cast (although given how Dhyer has cracked some of those mechanics and said they're a lot more psyducky than I though, so don't take my word for canon here). But I think a pretty simple exercise in extrapolation can make/break this check. Tidus, with 3x QH off Sonic Steel (since Caladbolg is getting him killed -fast-) deals around 63% PC HP. This isn't enough to one-round Yulie of the 1.52 pdur. I know Ted is very bad at taking physicals, but I sorta doubt he is -worse- than Yulie on durability, and if you see it the same way, I think Tidus having that fight is a bit farfetched.

[Dark Holy Elf]

Yeah, I was thinking Ted was something like 1.7-1.8 pdur. But... S4 mechanics. If he's 1.45, he's better than I thought (and wins this match).

EDIT: No, I just recalced it, and you're right, and my memory sucks. Vote changed.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Cool. I don't even blame you for the mistake, either, there are -multiple- S4 mages who hover around the 1.7-1.8 range or worse (...), which makes the kneejerk reasonable. Heck, I think the average mage in that game fails at durability like that. Gogogo S4.

[Dark Holy Elf]

Yeah, I was probably confusing Ted's pdur with Jeane/Warlock, who have the same Def and like 75% of the HP.

[Yoshiken]

Ted vs. Tidus - Tidus MDef vs. Magical Nuke? This can only end well.

Palom vs. Red Wizard - Status.

[Pyro]

Godlike

Yuri vs. TG Cid: Bah. Whatever.
Sephiroth vs. Ghaleon: Don't think Seph is so much faster than him that he wins it.
Kuja vs. Lady: Yeeeaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh.
Emelious vs. Ryu 3: Gets a turn, Kaiserbreath strikes me as ITE-ish.


Heavy

Edgar Figaro vs. Sofia: I suppose.
Elc vs. Id: Id has no way to stop Elc from getting a turn and that leads to ensured victory.
Ted vs. Tidus: If NEB says Tidus doesn't kill who am I to argue? Maybe if Tidus got 4 strikes instead of 3 here.
Millenia vs. Altima: I guess this is straightforward enough.


Middle

Nash Latkje vs. Maria Traydor: Healing, yellow scarf and stuff.
Nina 2 vs. Izlude Tingle: ID immune, fast, hits hard. Don't think he's OHKO'd?
Rutee vs. Alice: Way too much more healing.
Berserk vs. Squall: Berserk can chip around a limit and isn't 2HKO'd because he takes hits better than a PC.


Light

Sara (BoF1) vs. Watari: Dragon eat ninja.
Palom vs. Red Wizard
Rico vs. Ricardo
Gijimu vs. Fu So Ya

Voting ends in one week.

[DjinnAndTonic]

Godlike - is boring.

Yuri vs. TG Cid - Cid
Sephiroth vs. Ghaleon - Seph
Kuja vs. Lady - Lady
Emelious vs. Ryu 3 - Ryu3

Heavy

Edgar Figaro vs. Sofia - Yay status-whoring!
Elc vs. Id - Good stuff, that Invincible.
Ted vs. Tidus - The Overkill is just too much. Hmm. Maybe Tidus can swing some evasion hype?! Just how accurate were S4 spells?
Millenia vs. Altima - Close, but thinking Millenia's MDEF is enough to keep from getting one-rounded. SBE turns overwhelm quickly.

Middle

Nash Latkje vs. Maria Traydor - Poor Maria, she doesn't even get the benefit of my weird ARPG ranged initiative here thanks to Nash being ranged himself.
Nina 2 vs. Izlude Tingle - dunno.
Rutee vs. Alice - Bah? Rutee getting wins?
Berserk vs. Squall - Squall gets GFs, is unquestionably Heavy.

Light

Sara (BoF1) vs. Watari - Yep
Palom vs. Red Wizard - RUSE!?!?
Rico vs. Ricardo - Rico champed? Really? When?
Gijimu vs. Fu So Ya - Suikoscrub vs. Status kneejerk.

[Ultradude]

Ted vs. Tidus - The Overkill is just too much. Hmm. Maybe Tidus can swing some evasion hype?! Just how accurate were S4 spells?

I couldn't tell you spell accuracy, though I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't miss, but Tidus' evasion without E&C hype is pretty mediocre. As in, takes a few turns to dodge average accuracy at best.

[Tide]

Godlike
Yuri vs. TG Cid - Remember how Yuri has some MP concerns? Orlandu proceeds to go first and deal enough damage to make them even worse. That's that.

Heavy
Millenia vs. Altima - Okay, this is pretty good. The short answer is...Grand Cross. The longer answer...read on!

Millenia has 93% average speed. Altima has 90% average speed. Since Altima will likely Grand Cross her, Millenia's best bet is probably Spellbinding Eye + whatever her best damage is. Note that Grand Cross only needs 5 clock ticks to resolve, so Millenia WILL want to dump her best damage regardless of resource issues. However, it doesn't seem like she has enough SP to do this since Fallen Wings*2 + Grudging Claws consumes all SP and she needs an additional 60 if she wants to SE before Grand Cross hits (202 SP pool per stat topic). Thus she has to downgrade to 3*Grudging Claws instead. I am assuming that Millenia gets 3 turns; stat topic says 2 turns + a little bit. For sake of argument, I will give her three turns here.

Grudging Claws deals slightly below average damage (3750 to 4000 or so) but will still meet G2's kill point of 10020 to average. Think I see Altima as being a little above though. And considering I am pretty much giving her a bonus turn here - don't think Millenia manages to pull this one off. The only other option I can think of is to say that SE will catch Altima's Grand Cross charge time, thus you can multiply Millenia's damage, but nah.

Middle
Berserk vs. Squall - This is the primary reason why I am voting. Bwahaha. Die in a ditch, Squall.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Ted vs. Tidus - The Overkill is just too much. Hmm. Maybe Tidus can swing some evasion hype?! Just how accurate were S4 spells?

Tidus can't dodge magic in-game, S4 magic can't be dodged in-game and E&C doesn't catch magic either. That's just random.

[DjinnAndTonic]

Heavy
Millenia vs. Altima - Okay, this is pretty good. The short answer is...Grand Cross. The longer answer...read on!

Millenia has 93% average speed. Altima has 90% average speed. Since Altima will likely Grand Cross her, Millenia's best bet is probably Spellbinding Eye + whatever her best damage is. Note that Grand Cross only needs 5 clock ticks to resolve, so Millenia WILL want to dump her best damage regardless of resource issues. However, it doesn't seem like she has enough SP to do this since Fallen Wings*2 + Grudging Claws consumes all SP and she needs an additional 60 if she wants to SE before Grand Cross hits (202 SP pool per stat topic). Thus she has to downgrade to 3*Grudging Claws instead. I am assuming that Millenia gets 3 turns; stat topic says 2 turns + a little bit. For sake of argument, I will give her three turns here.

Grudging Claws deals slightly below average damage (3750 to 4000 or so) but will still meet G2's kill point of 10020 to average. Think I see Altima as being a little above though. And considering I am pretty much giving her a bonus turn here - don't think Millenia manages to pull this one off. The only other option I can think of is to say that SE will catch Altima's Grand Cross charge time, thus you can multiply Millenia's damage, but nah.

Instead of wasting SP on Grudging Claws et al, she's probably going for Dragon Zap (takes longer, since it's only about 2400 damage), but it means that she uses that third 'partial' turn to start casting SBE again as it wears off. At 202 SP, she can get 3 shots of SBE, and plenty of Dragon Zaps while using that to deplete Altima's only slightly above average durability. Actually, she probably just goes for Fallen Wings after the first two SBEs as a finisher.

Ted vs. Tidus - The Overkill is just too much. Hmm. Maybe Tidus can swing some evasion hype?! Just how accurate were S4 spells?

Tidus can't dodge magic in-game, S4 magic can't be dodged in-game and E&C doesn't catch magic either. That's just random.

And this is why I -ask- about these things, because hell if I can remember which games have dodgeable magic / MEvade.

[Tide]

Instead of wasting SP on Grudging Claws et al, she's probably going for Dragon Zap (takes longer, since it's only about 2400 damage), but it means that she uses that third 'partial' turn to start casting SBE again as it wears off. At 202 SP, she can get 3 shots of SBE, and plenty of Dragon Zaps while using that to deplete Altima's only slightly above average durability. Actually, she probably just goes for Fallen Wings after the first two SBEs as a finisher.

Don't think she is getting another turn after the first SBE resolves. Note the difference in speed is roughly 3%. SBE is not an instant tech. Thus, not long after Millenia starts charging for SBE, Grand cross is already starting to charge. Say SBE provides Millenia with 2.5 turns. So her CT after the 2nd Dragon Zap or what not is at 50. She needs another 50 CT in 5 clock ticks, which at 93% average speed, she only gets 46.5 CT. Grand Cross will go off before she gets to go again. It might look close, but SBE provides only "slightly more" than 2 turns. Factor that in, and yeah, I don't see a SBE lock as possible. She has to KO in one string or she bites it to a statusy death.

[Clear Tranquil]

Interesting. I love reading this stuffs =-)


Godlike
Kuja vs. Lady - <3

Heavy
Ted vs. Tidus - Ted in the bed.

Middle
Berserk vs. Squall - Uhh I only allow him one GF (Quez) at most, dunno if that's enough.

Light
Palom vs. Red Wizard - ...

[Talaysen]

Don't think she is getting another turn after the first SBE resolves. Note the difference in speed is roughly 3%. SBE is not an instant tech. Thus, not long after Millenia starts charging for SBE, Grand cross is already starting to charge. Say SBE provides Millenia with 2.5 turns. So her CT after the 2nd Dragon Zap or what not is at 50. She needs another 50 CT in 5 clock ticks, which at 93% average speed, she only gets 46.5 CT. Grand Cross will go off before she gets to go again. It might look close, but SBE provides only "slightly more" than 2 turns. Factor that in, and yeah, I don't see a SBE lock as possible. She has to KO in one string or she bites it to a statusy death.

Statuses that stop a character from acting in FFT also stop charging.  Hitting an enemy in G2 with SBE while they're charging also stops it, I believe.  So yeah, if SBE goes off before Grand Cross, it's probably stopping the charge.

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Godlike

Yuri vs. TG Cid
Sephiroth vs. Ghaleon
Kuja vs. Lady
Emelious vs. Ryu 3


Heavy

Edgar Figaro vs. Sofia
Elc vs. Id
Ted vs. Tidus
Millenia vs. Altima


Middle

Nash Latkje vs. Maria Traydor
Nina 2 vs. Izlude Tingle
Rutee vs. Alice - ...
Berserk vs. Squall


Light

Sara (BoF1) vs. Watari
Palom vs. Red Wizard
Rico vs. Ricardo
Gijimu vs. Fu So Ya

[Ultradude]

Yuri vs. TG Cid

Middle

Nash Latkje vs. Maria Traydor
Rutee vs. Alice
Berserk vs. Squall

[Dark Holy Elf]

It's worth pointing out that when Altima shifts forms, it heals her of all status, which makes SBEing her into oblivion even more difficult. I definitely don't buy it myself, but then I see Altima as modestly durable.

[Luther Lansfeld]

Godlike

Yuri vs. TG Cid
Sephiroth vs. Ghaleon
Kuja vs. Lady
Emelious vs. Ryu 3


Heavy

Edgar Figaro vs. Sofia
Elc vs. Id
Ted vs. Tidus
Millenia vs. Altima


Middle

Nash Latkje vs. Maria Traydor
Nina 2 vs. Izlude Tingle
Rutee vs. Alice
Berserk vs. Squall


Light

Sara (BoF1) vs. Watari
Palom vs. Red Wizard
Rico vs. Ricardo
Gijimu vs. Fu So Ya

[Tide]

Statuses that stop a character from acting in FFT also stop charging.  Hitting an enemy in G2 with SBE while they're charging also stops it, I believe.  So yeah, if SBE goes off before Grand Cross, it's probably stopping the charge.

Went over this with you in chat. SBE doesn't stop charging - that requires a cancel technique. Anyways, doesn't matter. Forgot that Altima actually gains speed and has lower faith in form 2. This puts a wrench to things.

Millenia can use SBE --> Arrow Shot --> DZap to kill form 1. Form 2 comes up, gets a turn first, starts charging Grand Cross. Millenia can repeat the SBE --> AS/DZap combo once more, but after that she can't do it again. And she's not killing form 2 with that one chain to me. So yeah, Grand Cross comes off. Doesn't help that DZap does less damage there thanks to Altima 2 with lower faith.  

EDIT: NEB just reminded me in chat that Altima also has Short Charge >_>. That definitely seals it. I think Millenia doesn't even get a turn on form 2 then before Grand Cross resolves.