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How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle 2)
« on: October 13, 2009, 11:52:15 AM »
In our last showing Yukiko shone like a star. Will her dominance continue?

Again now Halley or Jibril because yeah~

Yukiko vs FE9 Jill Fizzart
Yukiko FFT Balk Fenzol
Yukiko vs FE7 Fiora
Yukiko vs Suikos Tengaar
Yukiko vs SF1 Max
Yukiko vs ToD Philia Felice
Yukiko vs WA:ACF Magdalen Harts
Yukiko vs FE7 Nergal
Yukiko vs S5 Nikea
Yukiko vs SF2 Slade
Yukiko vs LoL Noa
Yukiko vs SH1 Alice Elliot
Yukiko vs Pers3 Shinjiro Aragaki
Yukiko vs FE9 Boyd
Yukiko vs S3 Leo Gallen
Yukiko vs SO2 Bowman Jean
Yukiko vs FF9 Eiko Carol
Yukiko vs CC Marcy
Yukiko vs S4 Sigurd
Yukiko vs S5 Mathias
Yukiko vs S5 Nelis
Yukiko vs SF1 Darksol
Yukiko vs BoF1 Ox
Yukiko vs WA3 Beatrice
Yukiko vs FE7 Dart
Yukiko vs PKMN Sceptile
Yukiko vs WA3 Leehalt Alceste
Yukiko vs FF7 Nanaki
Yukiko vs FFT Alma Beoulve
Yukiko vs WA5 Nightburn Acklund
Yukiko vs BoF2 Rand
Yukiko vs FE9 Ena
Yukiko vs FF7 Tifa Lockheart
Yukiko vs FE7 Guy
Yukiko vs LoL2 Maya
Yukiko vs ToD Garr Kelvin
Yukiko vs FFX-2 Paine
Yukiko vs S1 Ronnie Bell
Yukiko vs TotA Tear Grants
Yukiko vs AtLC Poco
Yukiko vs PKMN Swampert
Yukiko vs SoA Fina
Yukiko vs FE8 Colm
Yukiko vs Disgaea Thursday
Yukiko vs Suikos Lorelai
Yukiko vs TotA Natalia Luzu Kimlasca-Lanvaldear
Yukiko vs OB Destin Faroda
Yukiko vs S1 Alen
Yukiko vs CC Harle
Yukiko vs AtLC Sania
Yukiko vs SH2 Anastasia Romanov
« Last Edit: October 13, 2009, 11:59:09 AM by Clear Tranquil »
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle 2)
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2009, 12:06:01 PM »
Yukiko vs S5 Nikea - Scratch that. Nikea nulls fire.
Yukiko vs SH1 Alice Elliot - Anne's Cross?
Yukiko vs Pers3 Shinjiro Aragaki
Yukiko vs SO2 Bowman Jean
Yukiko vs FF9 Eiko Carol FF9 equip nonsense~
Yukiko vs CC Marcy If Yuki has the Miori shirt Marcy sure as hell has common blues~
Yukiko vs S4 Sigurd - Breath of Ice + healing oh yes.
Yukiko vs S5 Mathias-<333  
Yukiko vs S5 Nelis - Huh
Yukiko vs WA3 Beatrice Go to sleeep~
Yukiko vs WA3 Leehalt Alceste - It doesn't take much to defeat Leehalt >_>
Yukiko vs FF7 Nanaki - Uhhh ...
Yukiko vs FF7 Tifa Lockheart- Minerva equip nonsense.
Yukiko vs FFX-2 Paine- Special/Mascot <_<
Yukiko vs Suikos Lorelai - Scratch that too. Lorelai also nulls fire. Lorelai has competant physicals + Drain.
Yukiko vs CC Harle- Status
Yukiko vs SH2 Anastasia Romanov- Status~

Yes I'm being generous/silly this week and assuming equip/twink nonsense for everyone >_>
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle 2)
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2009, 01:04:39 PM »
Yukiko vs Balk Fenzol- Think form 1 wins this unscaled. Funny.
Yukiko vs Fiora- Doubles, slaughters.
Yukiko vs Tengaar- Should be able to stave off the OHKO. I think.
Yukiko vs Max- Max is accurate, fairly quick and is magically durable. Check please.
Yukiko vs Philia Felice- Philia doesn't have the right elemental damage here.
Yukiko vs Nergal-Kneejerk here, open to arguments.
Yukiko vs Halley Brancket- Status.
Yukiko vs Jibril
Yukiko vs Nikea- Double overkill or so.
Yukiko vs Slade- Yukiko needs a OHKO.
Yukiko vs Noa
Yukiko vs Alice Elliot- Should be able to run Alice out of SP.
Yukiko vs Leo Gallen
Yukiko vs Bowman Jean- Think he can force a heal lock with a weak tech-Sakura? He does likely need some blacksmithing equips for the fire resist though.
Yukiko vs Eiko Carol- Elementally walled.
Yukiko vs Marcy- One rounds as soon as she gets past Yukiko's evade.
Yukiko vs Sigurd- Silent Lake.
Yukiko vs Mathias- Fire resist/Shining Wind.
Yukiko vs Nelis
Yukiko vs Darksol
Yukiko vs Ox- Faster. SAD.
Yukiko vs Beatrice- Nightmare.
Yukiko vs Dart- Dart's doubling. The evasion very likely walls him on the first turn, but the second is very likely death.
Yukiko vs Leehalt Alceste
Yukiko vs Nanaki- Serph Comb wasn't that accurate IIRC and a single l imit shouldn't OHKO.
Yukiko vs Alma Beoulve- Think Ultima being ITE is enough with the speed advantage.
Yukiko vs Rand- This fight is Meeplina.
Yukiko vs Tifa Lockheart- Physical is a functional heal lock (Physical+L1 limit is death, Yukiko can't avoid or evade this).
Yukiko vs FE7 Guy- Swordmaster vs Yukiko. Odds are pretty good she's dead before she gets a turn.
Yukiko vs LoL2 Maya- Elemental walling.
Yukiko vs Garr Kelvin- Evasion fucks up void sword.
Yukiko vs Ronnie Bell- Pass for the moment.
Yukiko vs Tear Grants- Tear's best damage is fire.
Yukiko vs Poco- MP busting.
Yukiko vs Fina
Yukiko vs Colm-Yeah.
Yukiko vs Thursday
Yukiko vs Lorelai- Immunes fire.
Yukiko vs Natalia Luzu Kimlasca-Lanvaldear- Think she can outlast.
Yukiko vs Destin Faroda- Destin is slow and inaccurate. Wonderful combo!
Yukiko vs Alen
Yukiko vs Harle- Usual respect for Harle status.
Yukiko vs Sania- Pass.
Yukiko vs Anastasia Romanov- Faster, statuses.

Yukiko did notably worse this round than the last. S5 and FE give her trouble as a cast overall and some of the better fighters from each were here.
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle 2)
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2009, 02:14:16 PM »
Yukiko vs FE9 Jill Fizzart - Accuracy issues.
Yukiko vs FE7 Fiora
Yukiko vs FE7 Nergal - Lol Nergal RES + WTA.
Yukiko vs SH1 Alice Elliot
Yukiko vs Pers3 Shinjiro Aragaki
Yukiko vs FE9 Boyd
Yukiko vs S3 Leo Gallen
Yukiko vs FF9 Eiko Carol
Yukiko vs WA3 Beatrice
Yukiko vs FE7 Dart
Yukiko vs PKMN Sceptile
Yukiko vs WA3 Leehalt Alceste
Yukiko vs FF7 Nanaki
Yukiko vs FFT Alma Beoulve
Yukiko vs WA5 Nightburn Acklund
Yukiko vs FE9 Ena - FE9 doesn't have the RES, FE10 lacks the damage.
Yukiko vs FF7 Tifa Lockheart - God Hand accuracy.
Yukiko vs FE7 Guy
Yukiko vs TotA Tear Grants
Yukiko vs PKMN Swampert - Lol fire res + TANK.
Yukiko vs SoA Fina - Lunar Glyph should do it?
Yukiko vs FE8 Colm
Yukiko vs TotA Natalia Luzu Kimlasca-Lanvaldear

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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle 2)
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2009, 02:49:02 PM »
Yukiko vs Suikos Tengaar - Tengaar has no way of blocking fire.  How sad.
Yukiko vs S5 Nikea - Spoiled?
Yukiko vs LoL Noa
Yukiko vs SH1 Alice Elliot - Yukiko runs Alice out of resources before she runs out of SP.  Sadness.
Yukiko vs FF9 Eiko Carol - Silly FF9 equip options.
Yukiko vs WA3 Beatrice
Yukiko vs PKMN Sceptile - Fire weakness against a fire user!...  Yeah, that goes over well.
Yukiko vs FF7 Nanaki - His best damage...  Is fire...
Yukiko vs FF7 Tifa Lockheart - Explanations of everyone else work.
Yukiko vs LoL2 Maya - Silly LoL2 equip options.
Yukiko vs TotA Tear Grants - She's getting the drop on Yukiko, whether you see ARPG characters as all average or take her running speed as her speed....  And has that 55% Fire resistance.  Nightmare; Nightmare -> Frozen Hammer has arguments for a stun lock, or if she's going for that final hit and still needs to avoid fire, switch to Tear's Pendant at the beginning of her turn and go for Grand Cross -> Fatal Circle, which is Light -> Wind.
Yukiko vs PKMN Swampert And here we have Fire resistance!
Yukiko vs Suikos Lorelai - Fire walling.
Yukiko vs TotA Natalia Luzu Kimlasca-Lanvaldear - 55% Fire resistance -> outlast
Yukiko vs S1 Alen - Alen's halving Yukiko's damage, so he's getting 5HKO'd...  While Alen...  What, just BARELY 2HKOs with his physical thanks to Yukiko physical durability?
Yukiko vs SH2 Anastasia Romanov - Water-elemental status~.

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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle 2)
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2009, 06:57:54 PM »
Yukiko vs FE9 Jill Fizzart
Yukiko vs FE9 Boyd - Probably threatens with the kill until he gets a critical. Think he can probably 2HKO easily and has a decent critical rate? Yeah.
Yukiko vs FF9 Eiko Carol - FFIX equipment. Enough said.
Yukiko vs S4 Sigurd - SL.
Yukiko vs PKMN Sceptile - Hits weakness. Ker-splat.
Yukiko vs FF7 Nanaki - Kneejerk that she can stay healed while chipping, then either avoid the limit or use Endure to survive it and then kill.
Yukiko vs FE9 Ena - Kneejerk on FE10 Ena. Doesn't she have stupidly good MDur in FE10? (And possibly FE9! But I barely used her there.)
Yukiko vs FF7 Tifa Lockheart  - Same as Red.
Yukiko vs FFX-2 Paine - Has decent status, right?
Yukiko vs PKMN Swampert - Is forcing healing before Torrent and is not getting 3HKOed due to resistance.
Yukiko vs SH2 Anastasia Romanov - Status.

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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle 2)
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2009, 12:51:54 AM »
Yukiko vs. FFT Balk Fenzol - Jesus christ this is ugly.
Yukiko vs. FE7 Fiora - Accuracy, evasion and crazy good mdur handle Yukiko very well. Doubling with good weapons just seals it in her favor.
Yukiko vs Suikos Tengaar - Nope, Yukiko can't fend off the OHKO. Miori meets Canopy Defense stalling to boot.
Yukiko vs SF1 Max - The evade buys her a quick win here, though. Hitting the right defense helps so much.
Yukiko vs ToD Philia Felice - I sorta doubt Philia even can hit a weakness. Sorta ugly even if she does, because the damage should be atrocious then.
Yukiko vs WA:ACF Magdalen Harts - Bleh. Mags needs ITE.
Yukiko vs FE7 Nergal - Yukiko 2HKOs Nergal of the 0.7x effective durability across the board without much fuss, and getting OHKOed isn't an issue. To add insult to injury, even if she doesn't double, MT circumvents counters.
Yukiko vs S5 Nikea - lol s5 equip nonsense+Nikea sorta 2HKOs Yukiko.
Yukiko vs SF2 Slade - Endure+evade.
Yukiko vs LoL Noa - Lesbianism.
Yukiko vs SH1 Alice Elliot - Alice vs. mage healer. Yukiko risks 2HKOing here for starters.
Yukiko vs Pers3 Shinjiro Aragaki - Evade+two Agidynes put him outside the range of God's Hand. That's just problematic a combo.
Yukiko vs S3 Leo Gallen - Gallen -hates- healer mages.
Yukiko vs SO2 Bowman Jean - Assuming SO2 equipment nonsense kicks in here. Evade makes the match annoying, but eh.
Yukiko vs FF9 Eiko Carol - FF9 equipment nonsense.
Yukiko vs CC Marcy - The aiel is pretty right on the money. Marcy only needs to connect three out of... twelve attacks to begin glorious one-rounding shenanigans here. Yukiko 2HKOs, but being slower just kills.
Yukiko vs S4 Sigurd - no
Yukiko vs S5 Mathias - S5 equipment nonsense.
Yukiko vs S5 Nelis - They immune each other besides physicals. One of them has healing.
Yukiko vs SF1 Darksol - more liek darklol amirite
Yukiko vs BoF1 Ox - Ox is terrible.
Yukiko vs WA3 Beatrice - Sweet dreams.
Yukiko vs FE7 Dart - The evade kicks Dart's inaccurate ass really badly. He theoretically one-rounds if both hits land, but she also risks a 2HKO and avoids counters.
Yukiko vs PKMN Sceptile - Ugly. Sceptile risks eating a OHKO.
Yukiko vs WA3 Leehalt Alceste - lolhealer
Yukiko vs FF7 Nanaki - Yukiko can't avoid a L1 limit, but she certainly can avoid a L2. Nothing below L2 even scares her.
Yukiko vs FFT Alma Beoulve - fuck you
Yukiko vs BoF2 Rand - She likely outresources, and status weapons just make things very uncomfortable for Rand.
Yukiko vs FF7 Tifa Lockheart - Minerva nonsense. Can't say I'm not sorta glad here.
Yukiko vs FE7 Guy - EDIT: Yukiko doesn't 2HKO. Gooooooooodbye.
Yukiko vs LoL2 Maya - lol weakness-hitting at will with multiple strikes
Yukiko vs ToD Garr Kelvin - Garr kinda sucks.
Yukiko vs S1 Ronnie Bell - She just alternates Agidynes and healing until doubles. Given how she likely 3HKOs Ronnie and Ronnie's speed is appaling...
Yukiko vs TotA Tear Grants - Rather telling difference in resources.
Yukiko vs AtLC Poco - Mind Buster.
Yukiko vs PKMN Swampert - hmmmmmmm.
Yukiko vs FE8 Colm - Colm wishes he was accurate.
Yukiko vs Suikos Lorelai - Lightning walling, shenanigans.
Yukiko vs TotA Natalia Luzu Kimlasca-Lanvaldear - Much like Tear. Yukiko just has far superior resources and slugs better to boot.
Yukiko vs OB Destin Faroda - Destin isn't great.
Yukiko vs S1 Alen - FIRE DAMAGE AGAINST YUKIKO
Yukiko vs CC Harle - Hmmm, I guess. Harle can inflict status and all, but how many of them can stop Yukiko from Salvationing out?
Yukiko vs AtLC Sania - EDIT: Actually, no. Hitting Petrify is game.
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle 2)
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2009, 01:20:18 AM »
Guy's got evasion of his own which Yukiko has to deal with, and he is extremely accurate to boot. He has a chance to just outright slaughter her in a single hit with a critical, and his average double without crits is an easy heal lock.  Yukiko has similiar problems against Colm.
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle 2)
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2009, 01:26:43 AM »
Guy's got evasion of his own which Yukiko has to deal with, and he is extremely accurate to boot.

Mostly mitigated by Yukiko's game-best Luck and Suku (remember it boosts both evade and accuracy by a very notable amount), and FE accuracy actually isn't that awesome even when high unless he's using a weapon like an Iron/Slim Sword, which just fail at damage really hardcore. The weapons that have the high crit rates are actually kinda inaccurate too, which don't help the cause. I guess it can tip the fight to his favor, but I have my doubts whether it's enough, because Guy can miss Yukiko about 1/4 of th time even with an Iron Sword, which is basically all she needs to win if he's getting 2HKOed. I'd honestly vote Guy (and Colm if he had Guy accuracy, for that matter) if he was 2HKOing with a single swing, but he just doesn't have the Str for that. If Guy avoids the 2HKO, though, methinks the match is his. (I just have no faith in Colm's ability to miss it myself)

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He has a chance to just outright slaughter her in a single hit with a critical, and his average double without crits is an easy heal lock.  Yukiko has similiar problems against Colm.

When both are risking being 2HKOed (Colm and Guy have terrible MDef - Guy might even have enough HP to mitigate that, but I doubt Colm does) and I see FE crits coming in later rather than sooner - and Yukiko's game-best Luck is also nerfing their crit rates a little bit (remember, P4 Luck affects crits too), that just doesn't matter enough (and an attack needs to -connect- first to even make a crit check). I'm still allowing Endure to boot, which tips the tiebreaking a bit further against them.
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle 2)
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2009, 01:39:22 AM »
A single physical should heal lock Yukiko and her godly physical durability.  Even if she averages an evasion each round and never gets critted she isn't making any headway. Guy's accurate even by swordmaster standards thanks to the good skill score as well.

Yukiko wins if... Guy goes first, misses twice, she hits with her Agidyne, Guy goes and hits once and doesn't crit, and she hits a second time (And that 2HKOs).  Really have trouble buying that.
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle 2)
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2009, 01:41:51 AM »
* Jo'ou Ranbu checks durability.

Hmmmm, nevermind. Yukiko doesn't 2HKO Guy (HP juuuuust lets him avoid that), so it doesn't matter, he gets three turns and that's game.
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle 2)
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2009, 12:33:19 PM »
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle 2)
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2009, 04:05:51 AM »
Yukiko vs FE9 Jill Fizzart - Crits before Yukiko can kill.
Yukiko vs FFT Balk Fenzol - Kneejerk FFT equips
Yukiko vs FE7 Fiora - I think Crit hype works here. Also... Javelin counters?
Yukiko vs Suikos Tengaar - Not buying a OHKO.
Yukiko vs SF1 Max - Mismatch.
Yukiko vs ToD Philia Felice  - Evade works.
Yukiko vs WA:ACF Magdalen Harts - OHKO or heal-lock. Don't think the evade saves her.
Yukiko vs FE7 Nergal - Kneejerk.
Yukiko vs S5 Nikea - Fire resistance.
Yukiko vs LoL Noa - How charming!
Yukiko vs SH1 Alice Elliot - wins the resource war, I'd say.
Yukiko vs FE9 Boyd - Evade and Endure probably outrace his crit rate.
Yukiko vs S3 Leo Gallen - same.
Yukiko vs SO2 Bowman Jean - That whole elementally reliant thing.
Yukiko vs FF9 Eiko Carol - And again!
Yukiko vs CC Marcy - We have found vengeance this day, CC middle.
Yukiko vs S4 Sigurd
Yukiko vs S5 Mathias - Damage nulled.
Yukiko vs S5 Nelis - This is funny.
Yukiko vs WA3 Beatrice - Status whoring Yukiko seems to be a great strategy.
Yukiko vs FE7 Dart - Her evade vs. his accuracy is kinda ugly.
Yukiko vs PKMN Sceptile - They both likely OHKO the other thanks to weakness, think Yukiko is faster.
Yukiko vs WA3 Leehalt Alceste - Healing > Leehalt
Yukiko vs FF7 Nanaki - 50% starting Limit meters.
Yukiko vs WA5 Nightburn Acklund - Better durability and can hit weakness.
Yukiko vs FE9 Ena - Better durability kneejerk. Crit happens before Yukiko can eat through her HP.
Yukiko vs FF7 Tifa Lockheart - 50% starting Limits~
Yukiko vs FE7 Guy - Too much evasion going on here.
Yukiko vs LoL2 Maya - spoiled.
Yukiko vs ToD Garr Kelvin - Oh, Yukiko beats a crappy middle. Shock.
Yukiko vs FFX-2 Paine - Decent middle.
Yukiko vs S1 Ronnie Bell - Kneejerking that the evade sinks her.
Yukiko vs TotA Tear Grants - Tear's Pendant makes this a fight, but Yukiko evade sells it for me.
Yukiko vs AtLC Poco - Hahaha, Yukiko with no MP.
Yukiko vs PKMN Swampert - Kneejerk.
Yukiko vs SoA Fina - Lalala, Lunar Glyph
Yukiko vs FE8 Colm - More of that ridiculous evasion going on for both sides, Colm crits before Yukiko kills.
Yukiko vs Disgaea Thursday - But Yukimaru would totally win.
Yukiko vs Suikos Lorelai - Fire res.
Yukiko vs TotA Natalia Luzu Kimlasca-Lanvaldear - Better name. Actually, decent res and heal-stalling until Mystic Arte probably works.
Yukiko vs OB Destin Faroda - Tarot card spam, Destin for Bluelike. More seriously, I thought Destin had an Ice attack option? Should be enough.
Yukiko vs S1 Alen - Trolling Alen.
Yukiko vs CC Harle - I just barely buy the status hype here.
Yukiko vs AtLC Sania - More certainly here.
Yukiko vs SH2 Anastasia Romanov - and here!

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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle 2)
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2009, 04:16:40 AM »
Yukiko vs PKMN Sceptile - They both likely OHKO the other thanks to weakness, think Yukiko is faster.

I think you have the wrong Pokemon. Sceptile is the speedy grass type starter.
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle 2)
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2009, 11:28:20 AM »
How does Yukiko manage to defeat Sigurd Djinn? I didn't even remember Silent Lake which apparently he does have but regardless he has seven shots of healing to utilise while Yuki's evade wears off (not that he's using them all) and Breath of Ice to knock her on her sweet ass after that~
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle 2)
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2009, 04:23:28 PM »
Yukiko vs PKMN Sceptile - They both likely OHKO the other thanks to weakness, think Yukiko is faster.

I think you have the wrong Pokemon. Sceptile is the speedy grass type starter.

Indeed. Wrong pokemon! My bad, I was going through these too quickly.
How does Yukiko manage to defeat Sigurd Djinn? I didn't even remember Silent Lake which apparently he does have but regardless he has seven shots of healing to utilise while Yuki's evade wears off (not that he's using them all) and Breath of Ice to knock her on her sweet ass after that~

And... another good point. >.>;;

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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle 2)
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2009, 04:44:17 PM »
Breath of Ice is worthless damage and Sigurd has like four charges of it - by spending all of them, he's not even killing Yukiko (this isn't P3 weakness), and odds are he will miss at least one. Silent Lake is how Sigurd is winning that fight if at all.
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle 2)
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2009, 04:48:41 PM »
Yeah, it's to Sigurd's benefit to wait out at least auto suku and smash her with physicals after that.
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle 2)
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2009, 04:50:53 PM »
And I have to wonder what is Sigurd's optimal equipment setup in this fight, since he may be one of the people who ARE 40% WEAK TO FIRE WITH THEIR DEFAULT DL EQUIPMENT IN S4 god Suikoden 4 you fucking fail.
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle 2)
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2009, 04:59:07 PM »
Not like he has to worry about defense here, Yukiko physicals and all. It really seems like his fight to lose- Yukiko could evade enough, but it doesn't feel likely.
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle 2)
« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2009, 01:22:33 AM »
Yukiko vs FFT Balk Fenzol - Balk 1 horribly slaughters yeah. Balk 2 might have more trouble since Blast Gun runs into Yukiko's Thunder resistance.
Yukiko vs FE7 Fiora - Mdef's it up like a champ. Having good accuracy + Yukiko's pdur makes this easy.
Yukiko vs WA:ACF Magdalen Harts - I...think? I'm using some prior numbers that I crunched and Yukiko basically still 3HKOs (Mags has poor Res, but that's offset a bit by his above average HP). She basically needs to dodge twice in a row and I don't know if I buy that. Mags going first definitely creates problems to boot because 1 Punishing Evil + Gamble'd Punishing Evil (which he WILL have the FP for by turn 3) is a clear KO to me.
Yukiko vs FE7 Nergal - Counters kinda make this interesting...until you realize that Suku is probably making one of them miss early on which means she can complete the 2HKO without fuss. Having MT for this fight if she wants it is just lol
Yukiko vs S5 Nikea - 2HKOing just makes this problematic
Yukiko vs SH1 Alice Elliot - Outresources pretty handidly
Yukiko vs Pers3 Shinjiro Aragaki - God Hand HP cost kills Shinji here. He can try a straight up blitz but run into evade or PC, but get his HP blown away by 2 Agidynes.
Yukiko vs FF9 Eiko Carol - Kneejerk. Yukiko can try outresourcing by using the exhaustion fan and run Eiko out of MP though...not sure how viable that is, but fuck, I am not mathing it out >_> 
Yukiko vs CC Marcy - Connecting one attack here is bad for Yukiko since knock down kills evasion. Marcy has 14 separate attacks to go through. And the moment she connects, she can dizzy, build a chain and one round afterwards. Something tells me Yukiko is not winning this.
Yukiko vs S5 Mathias - Resisting fire already makes this kinda one sided. At the absolute worse, Funeral Wind guts Yukiko
Yukiko vs S5 Nelis - "Both block each other's best damage. One can heal." <-- Snow says it all pretty much
Yukiko vs WA3 Beatrice - Sleep lock
Yukiko vs FE7 Dart - Dart ACCURACY against evasion. This is going well.
Yukiko vs PKMN Sceptile - Kneejerk weakness gets Sceptile killed horribly. He can try using Agility to outrun Yukiko, but there isn't much he can do to avoid getting 2HKO'd
Yukiko vs WA3 Leehalt Alceste - HEALER versus Leehalt. gj
Yukiko vs FF7 Nanaki - Red's low level limits are kinda sucky. His high level ones are not seeing play as Yukiko can chip through them. Limited Moon getting potentially spoiled by the exhaustion fan just makes things more hilarious >_>
Yukiko vs FFT Alma Beoulve - um...*giant psyduck*. Kneejerk is to say Yukiko unless you see Ultima 2HKOing (which it could!). Seems like that's what it might come down to.
Yukiko vs WA5 Nightburn Acklund -  Good news: Yukiko hits weakness here! Bad news: Nightburn can counter hit weakness (if you allow LPs), is accurate, and can probably heal lock via GRAVITON with the threat of ITE Crush followup. Oh he also goes first. GG
Yukiko vs FF7 Tifa Lockheart - I'll buy the Heal-locks with a physical here. Minerva nonsense swings this further I guess (although that's not what's making me vote this way)
Yukiko vs FE7 Guy - What Super broke it down to. Swordmaster hit + good innate skill + weapons with high hit = sad Yukiko
Yukiko vs TotA Tear Grants - Tear's best damage being fire + more Yukiko outsourcing shinenagans.
Yukiko vs PKMN Swampert -  Kneejerk Swampy. Yukiko can try to status and run Swampy out of PP (his best damage moves have low PP totals), but he can always opt for his stat busters which just creates problems for Yukiko (In particular, Muddy Water (drop accuracy) and Mud Shot (drop speed))
Yukiko vs SoA Fina - lolFina
Yukiko vs FE8 Colm - Could Colm downgrade to a Slim/Iron Sword here for more accuracy? Hm...but then he loses too much MT possibly. And yeah, Skill wasn't his good stat.
Yukiko vs TotA Natalia Luzu Kimlasca-Lanvaldear - Yukiko outresources easily enough. Sooooo don't buy a MA here considering that Exhaustion makes any argument of that go poof.
Yukiko vs CC Harle -  Depends. How many of Harle's status is lethal here? I count one >_>
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle 2)
« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2009, 02:35:20 AM »
How does Exhaustion work exactly?

Tide makes it sound like it's draining Limit Meters... and I must have missed that part of P4...

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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle 2)
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2009, 02:55:51 AM »
Drains 20% MSP from the target. It also lowers defense significantly (I think). I probably should clarify regarding Natalia, but the reason why I don't see the MA is because if she inflicts it, the SP drain makes the stalling even more impossible. (It doesn't drain limit metres as far as I know)
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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle 2)
« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2009, 05:44:44 AM »
Ah, you brought up Exhaustion vs. RedXIII too, so I was just inferring as I couldn't remember Exhaustion.

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Re: How Champ is a Champ (Yukiko vs Middle 2)
« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2009, 06:09:31 AM »
Red's weapon runs on a forumula that's more or less Final Damage == 2((MMP-CMP)/MMP), so sapping his MP diminishes his base physical as a threat and means Yukiko just has to worry about limits.
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