Season 55, Week 3 - Tony is the worst Ash Ketchum cosplayer in the world.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Godlike

Ryu (BoF3) vs. Elc (AtL:C)
Fereydoon (WA5) vs. False Althena (Lunar 2)
Nate Nanjo (Pers) vs Cidolfas Orlandu (FFT)
Brahms (VPs) vs Empyrea (DQ8)

Heavy

Ho-oh (Pokemon) vs. Edward "Edge" Geraldine (FF4)
Nina Wyndia (BoF4) vs. Kasumi (Suikos)
Lyon (S5) vs Joshua (FE8)
Tony Eisler (MK) vs Rayquaza (PKMN)

Middle

Ryudo (G2) vs. Miakis (S5)
Elhaym van Houten (XG) vs. Rikku (FFX)
Nanaki/Red XIII (FF7) vs Dekar (Lufia 2)
Massimo (MMXCM) vs Elaine (S3)

Light

Opera Vectra (SO2) vs. Miluda Folles (FFT)
Leena (CC) vs. Zhuzhen Liu (SH)
Cinnamon (MMXCM) vs Steena (CC)
Relm Arrowny (FF6) vs Colette Brunel (ToS)

[superaielman]

Godlike

Ryu (BoF3) vs. Elc (AtL:C)
Nate Nanjo (Pers) vs Cidolfas Orlandu (FFT)- Nate's very likely getting OHKOed before he can move. Even if he can't, high end fighters kick his ass. 
Brahms (VPs) vs Empyrea (DQ8)- Kneejerking against Empy's magic damage.

Heavy

Ho-oh (Pokemon) vs. Edward "Edge" Geraldine (FF4)- Exact same thing as Edge vs Groudon. He really spoils Pokemon legendaries.
Nina Wyndia (BoF4) vs. Kasumi (Suikos)- Kasumi can't 2HKO and that's that.
Lyon (S5) vs Joshua (FE8)- MT magic. Bye Joshua.
Tony Eisler (MK) vs Rayquaza (PKMN)- Far more respect as a slugger.

Middle

Ryudo (G2) vs. Miakis (S5)- Mathed this one out with Snow, but basically Ryudo needs more SP and damage to swing this. Sad.
Elhaym van Houten (XG) vs. Rikku (FFX)- X-2 Rikku is a one status wonder, FFX Rikku needs to go away.
Nanaki/Red XIII (FF7) vs Dekar (Lufia 2)- Tanks everything Red can do. He can OHKO past a limit and can at least heal.
Massimo (MMXCM) vs Elaine (S3)- Massimo needs a OHKO and I don't think he quite gets it. Elaine's healing curing status really helps here.

Light

Opera Vectra (SO2) vs. Miluda Folles (FFT)- Range matters in both systems! And Opera has a massive advantage here. Goodbye Miluda.
Leena (CC) vs. Zhuzhen Liu (SH)- Walls Leena's best damage, is otherwise superior.
Cinnamon (MMXCM) vs Steena (CC)- Kneejerk.

[Taishyr]

Godlike

Nate Nanjo (Pers) vs Cidolfas Orlandu (FFT) - Nate would require Charm or Sleep to land turn 1 and last lnog enough for him to make it severe in intensity. Aegis Shield sez no.
Brahms (VPs) vs Empyrea (DQ8) - Highly leaning Brahms.

Heavy

Ho-oh (Pokemon) vs. Edward "Edge" Geraldine (FF4) - Uh.
Nina Wyndia (BoF4) vs. Kasumi (Suikos) - Might 2HKO, but Nina's faster I think.
Tony Eisler (MK) vs Rayquaza (PKMN) - Buffing game.

Middle

Nanaki/Red XIII (FF7) vs Dekar (Lufia 2) - Leaning Red, but unsure.
Massimo (MMXCM) vs Elaine (S3) - Uh.

Light

Opera Vectra (SO2) vs. Miluda Folles (FFT) - LFT Miluda. NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION YOU ALIEN SCUM.
Leena (CC) vs. Zhuzhen Liu (SH)
Cinnamon (MMXCM) vs Steena (CC)

[superaielman]

I know it's a joke, but LFT Miluda's pretty much unchanged.

[Ultradude]

Ho-oh (Pokemon) vs. Edward "Edge" Geraldine (FF4)

Relm Arrowny (FF6) vs Colette Brunel (ToS)

[Taishyr]

Innate defenses up~ Clearly this outdoes whatever that ALIEN SCUM can manage~

[Pyro]

Godlike

Ryu (BoF3) vs. Elc (AtL:C): I think Tiamat can outstall this without too much trouble? Ryu might actually run into a serious problem here if not since Invincible just rapes the really nasty (i.e. really expensive) dragons.
Fereydoon (WA5) vs. False Althena (Lunar 2): Much better at this overkilling thing.
Brahms (VPs) vs Empyrea (DQ8): VP2 Brahms, sure.

Heavy

Nina Wyndia (BoF4) vs. Kasumi (Suikos): Kasumi is faster and ITE and might 2HKO but I doubt it. Kasumi really needs that 2HKO I think.
Lyon (S5) vs Joshua (FE8): Boom.

Middle

Ryudo (G2) vs. Miakis (S5): Cuter. (also a better dueler, which helps).
Elhaym van Houten (XG) vs. Rikku (FFX): Status off of 140% + speed or whatever she had.
Nanaki/Red XIII (FF7) vs Dekar (Lufia 2): Not thinking too hard here.
Massimo (MMXCM) vs Elaine (S3)

Light

Opera Vectra (SO2) vs. Miluda Folles (FFT): See Red v Dekar.
Leena (CC) vs. Zhuzhen Liu (SH): Healing or... something.
Relm Arrowny (FF6) vs Colette Brunel (ToS): Colette should be familiar with this whole control schitck.

[DjinnAndTonic]

Opera Vectra (SO2) vs. Miluda Folles (FFT) - LFT Miluda. NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION YOU ALIEN SCUM.

Thank you, Tai. I needed that. ^_^

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Ryu (BoF3) vs. Elc (AtL:C) - Stalling isn't one of Ryu's problems.
Brahms (VPs) vs Empyrea (DQ8) - EDIT: She can't doubleact Zap? Meeplina.

Ho-oh (Pokemon) vs. Edward "Edge" Geraldine (FF4) - hurf.
Nina Wyndia (BoF4) vs. Kasumi (Suikos) - EDIT: so, Kasumi actually 2HKOs. Nevermind.
Lyon (S5) vs Joshua (FE8) - Frying.
Tony Eisler (MK) vs Rayquaza (PKMN) - EDIT: Nope, he doesn't make it. Tony has like 1.7x PC HP for effective pdur to me.

Middle

Ryudo (G2) vs. Miakis (S5) - Ryudo: getting owned by eight shots of 45% healing since season 1.
Elhaym van Houten (XG) vs. Rikku (FFX) - For the people who respect Rikku common steals and allow full status blocking accessories: unless she gets ID from those things, Elly just equips a Mind and a Body blocker and immunes every thing Rikku can do. Given how Rikku herself is sleep-bait and Lunar Rod is broken, um yeah. I don't even respect that, so Rikku just dies.
Nanaki/Red XIII (FF7) vs Dekar (Lufia 2) - I guess. This match sucks given neither wants to hit each other, though.
Massimo (MMXCM) vs Elaine (S3) - Think all Massimo needs is to heal-lock. Elaine's offense is just poor, and while evade can be an issue sometimes, and he may even OHKO... yeah.

Opera Vectra (SO2) vs. Miluda Folles (FFT) - I guess. Could definitely be argued, though, Opera like 4HKOs average and Miluda could still hope to outslug
Leena (CC) vs. Zhuzhen Liu (SH) - Man, screw you Zhuzhen.
Cinnamon (MMXCM) vs Steena (CC) - Kneejerk is CC is just too limited on its offense, and Steena wasn't one of the good physicallers.

[Monkeyfinger]

Godlike

Ryu (BoF3) vs. Elc (AtL:C)
Nate Nanjo (Pers) vs Cidolfas Orlandu (FFT)
Brahms (VPs) vs Empyrea (DQ8): Empyrea does like 380 damage with 6 zaps, HP faced is 280. Decently likely to kill, but not guaranteed, and Brahms may get a PWS with two turns anyway since empyrea's not chipping. I dunno, Empyrea has a shot but it feels like an outside one.

Heavy

Ho-oh (Pokemon) vs. Edward "Edge" Geraldine (FF4): Might go first, might survive being pounded on while asleep once, might not even get statused out. If any of those things happen he wins, since one turn is enough for him. Too many things can go wrong for edge here.
Nina Wyndia (BoF4) vs. Kasumi (Suikos)
Lyon (S5) vs Joshua (FE8): 2-rounds and evades something.
Tony Eisler (MK) vs Rayquaza (PKMN): Ray's just not really good at prolonged slugfests. He's all about the fast kill which he can't have here.

Middle

Ryudo (G2) vs. Miakis (S5)
Elhaym van Houten (XG) vs. Rikku (FFX)
Nanaki/Red XIII (FF7) vs Dekar (Lufia 2): Yeah I don't ever see an L2 happening here. It would be needed.
Massimo (MMXCM) vs Elaine (S3): Rigs up an OHKO.

Light

Opera Vectra (SO2) vs. Miluda Folles (FFT)
Leena (CC) vs. Zhuzhen Liu (SH)
Cinnamon (MMXCM) vs Steena (CC)
Relm Arrowny (FF6) vs Colette Brunel (ToS)

[Dhyerwolf]

Godlike

Ryu (BoF3) vs. Elc (AtL:C)- Guess he has some non-stat topiced form that wins.
Fereydoon (WA5) vs. False Althena (Lunar 2)
Nate Nanjo (Pers) vs Cidolfas Orlandu (FFT)
Brahms (VPs) vs Empyrea (DQ8)- 6 Zaps Monkey? She can't even double Zap, so she'd need 6 turns to pull that off.

Heavy

Ho-oh (Pokemon) vs. Edward "Edge" Geraldine (FF4)- Sleep lock works pretty well
Nina Wyndia (BoF4) vs. Kasumi (Suikos)
Lyon (S5) vs Joshua (FE8)- Joshua does not evade her L2 spell on turn 1. And turn the ID hits him.
Tony Eisler (MK) vs Rayquaza (PKMN)

Middle

Ryudo (G2) vs. Miakis (S5)- Curse you Ryudo!!!!
Elhaym van Houten (XG) vs. Rikku (FFX)- Yes, Rikku gets ID. Yes, Rikku for Godlike!
Nanaki/Red XIII (FF7) vs Dekar (Lufia 2)
Massimo (MMXCM) vs Elaine (S3)

Light

Opera Vectra (SO2) vs. Miluda Folles (FFT)- Don't want think
Leena (CC) vs. Zhuzhen Liu (SH)
Cinnamon (MMXCM) vs Steena (CC)- Hmm, crunch this out later. Sure it's pretty clear one way or the other when I do that!
Relm Arrowny (FF6) vs Colette Brunel (ToS)- Probably 2HKOs.

[DjinnAndTonic]

Nina Wyndia (BoF4) vs. Kasumi (Suikos) - Actually calced this a while ago. Kasumi does -not- 2HKO, her damage is like 42% to average. Given how faster she is, she is actually getting some doubles, but without 2HKOing, they're ultimately meaningless.

Wow... how did she beat Zelos again?

[OblivionKnight]

Godlike

Ryu (BoF3) vs. Elc (AtL:C) - Elc.
Fereydoon (WA5) vs. False Althena (Lunar 2) - Fereydoon.  Hits her worse defensive stat.
Nate Nanjo (Pers) vs Cidolfas Orlandu (FFT) - Nate. 
Brahms (VPs) vs Empyrea (DQ8) - Brahms.

Heavy

Ho-oh (Pokemon) vs. Edward "Edge" Geraldine (FF4) - Edge.
Nina Wyndia (BoF4) vs. Kasumi (Suikos) - Nina.  You suck, Kasumi!
Lyon (S5) vs Joshua (FE8) - Lyon
Tony Eisler (MK) vs Rayquaza (PKMN) - Tony.

Middle

Ryudo (G2) vs. Miakis (S5) - Miakis - arguably Ryudo, since 4500 damage is like 10x Miakis HP, but whatever!
Elhaym van Houten (XG) vs. Rikku (FFX) - Either Body/Mind blocker guarded Stop in XG?  At worst FFX2 Rikku has a faster Stop, and I think could get immunity to sleep (maybe?  Tonfa?).  I don't see how this is Elly's fight at all - I mean, hell, FFX form just customizes a shield with a status immunity on it (if you allow that like I do).  Not even close.
Nanaki/Red XIII (FF7) vs Dekar (Lufia 2) - Nanaki.  Storebought materia is storebought, so I figure I should start allowing it.
Massimo (MMXCM) vs Elaine (S3) - Massimo smashes the world. 

Light

Opera Vectra (SO2) vs. Miluda Folles (FFT) - Opera.   Healing Star!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Leena (CC) vs. Zhuzhen Liu (SH) - Zhuzhen.
Cinnamon (MMXCM) vs Steena (CC) - Cinnamon.  Don't think even allowing all storebought elements helps here.
Relm Arrowny (FF6) vs Colette Brunel (ToS) - Relm.  Control wins the world.  Alternatively, Sketching, uses Falcon Crest, kills.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Nina Wyndia (BoF4) vs. Kasumi (Suikos) - Actually calced this a while ago. Kasumi does -not- 2HKO, her damage is like 42% to average. Given how faster she is, she is actually getting some doubles, but without 2HKOing, they're ultimately meaningless.

Wow... how did she beat Zelos again?

Kasumi has absurd speed - as in 3-2s average with some leeway to spare absurd depending on how you view TB speed. That+3HKO = actually respectable offense, and doesn't sound like Zelos is even appreciably fast unless your interp on ARPG fighter speed is something like Monkey's, nor does it look like he's durable enough to withstand about 126% PC HP before he gets a second turn. So, he'd have to OHKO or bust, and Kasumi isn't even appreciably below average pdur. She had an argument, and given how much backlash Zelos has gotten over time, the possibility seemed all it needed for her to get a win that could definitely be argued either way.

[Monkeyfinger]

Brahms (VPs) vs Empyrea (DQ8)- 6 Zaps Monkey? She can't even double Zap, so she'd need 6 turns to pull that off.

She can double anything, hazy and not really testable in-game AI obscurities be damned.

[Ultradude]

Re: Colette vs. Relm. Ignoring Control... Relm apparently halves lightning, and Para Ball is a pretty important part of Colette's damage. Granted, I could go test Hammer Rain and end up with Colette not caring either way, but it's worth noting.

Well, and Relm might not 3HKO anyways, which means she loses a slugfest.

[James_xeno]

Elhaym van Houten (XG) vs. Rikku (FFX) - Either Body/Mind blocker guarded Stop in XG?  At worst FFX2 Rikku has a faster Stop, and I think could get immunity to sleep (maybe?  Tonfa?).  I don't see how this is Elly's fight at all - I mean, hell, FFX form just customizes a shield with a status immunity on it (if you allow that like I do).  Not even close.

Yes, they block everything but HP absorption based death moves.


Even worst case. You give Rikku all of that. (and saw something getting through, turn one) What's to stop Elly from doing something like putting on Speed Shoes and going for a turn/move one sleep? (50 vs. 50) I'm just saying... if you let Rikku get all of that stuff.

[superaielman]

Massimo (MMXCM) vs Elaine (S3) - Think all Massimo needs is to heal-lock. Elaine's offense is just poor, and while evade can be an issue sometimes, and he may even OHKO... yeah.

All Elaine needs to do is take one combo, which she... can't do. Wow.  Massimo needs to use a full, 100% WP Berserk charge for that though. How long does it take to charge up? Stat topic doesn't say.

Opera Vectra (SO2) vs. Miluda Folles (FFT) - I guess. Could definitely be argued, though, Opera like 4HKOs average and Miluda could still hope to outslug.

Miluda could get a lucky shield guard, but so could Opera.  Range does feel like the tiebreak here. In either game's system, a ranged fighter vs a slower, melee fighter results in the melee fighter getting slaughtered.  I have no problem holding that against Miluda here. Boss HP scaling also comes into play. Opera's healing mostly sucks, but it could also see some use here depending on how long the fight goes for.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

super: that's more or less my gut on the fight anyhow. Dunno, sorta feels weird giving Miluda credit, and Opera's range trivializes Miluda's main threat here.

On Elaine vs. Massimo: I think Massimo gets 25% WE per turn, starts with 20% and gets his first turn at 45%. So, he should have a 100% WE combo by his fourth turn, his third being at 95%. Given Elaine damage and his Hyper Mode durability boost, killing him before -that- happens is going to be a tricky proposition, given how it's quite possible that his physicals under that force her to heal when she connects, and she's going to need to heal at least once to stave that threat off, so she's unlikely to kill in time. Yeah, think he's got the match.

[hinode]

Well, and Relm might not 3HKO anyways, which means she loses a slugfest.

Relm 5HKOs average. That's with Man Eater's damage bonus against humans, in case you're wondering.

[OblivionKnight]

Massimo (MMXCM) vs Elaine (S3) - Think all Massimo needs is to heal-lock. Elaine's offense is just poor, and while evade can be an issue sometimes, and he may even OHKO... yeah.

All Elaine needs to do is take one combo, which she... can't do. Wow.  Massimo needs to use a full, 100% WP Berserk charge for that though. How long does it take to charge up? Stat topic doesn't say.

Opera Vectra (SO2) vs. Miluda Folles (FFT) - I guess. Could definitely be argued, though, Opera like 4HKOs average and Miluda could still hope to outslug.

Miluda could get a lucky shield guard, but so could Opera.  Range does feel like the tiebreak here. In either game's system, a ranged fighter vs a slower, melee fighter results in the melee fighter getting slaughtered.  I have no problem holding that against Miluda here. Boss HP scaling also comes into play. Opera's healing mostly sucks, but it could also see some use here depending on how long the fight goes for.

Stat topic does say!  It's exactly what the Brazilian said.  Innate WE+25% per turn (except for turns where thou hast been defending prior to the initiation of the action phase, or in certain Hyper Modes where the gain is increased).  To utilize an action trigger, a level of weapon energy of > or = to 50% is required on the turn it is to be acted upon with the triggerness 

[Monkeyfinger]

Hyper mode gives massimo 37% gain, so switching when he has 70 (second turn, right?) will let him unload 20,000 damage on his third turn.

MMXCM damage average is roughly 6500 to me.

[OblivionKnight]

Correctamundo, my liege

[Pyro]

Relm 5HKOs average. That's with Man Eater's damage bonus against humans, in case you're wondering.

The average that most people use for ToS doesn't even include the Last Fencer/Pow Hammer DX weapons boost to humans, so I don't think that Man eater bonuses in the average should be held against Relm here, at the very least (I also don't think front row should be default but thats another story).

[OblivionKnight]

Yeah, taking the Man Eater out...not sure how much that changes the damage, but it probably bumps her up to the next range, I would guess.  I don't consider them standard myself, since not everything is human, but...eh.