Season 41-1

[Sei]

...won't be starting until approximately 8 hours after I post this, but here's the weekly topic!

Godlike

1-Ryu (BoF3) vs. Ted (S4)
Celes Chere (FF6) vs. Jade (BoF1)
Berle (SO2) vs. Kratos Aurion (ToS)
Guv (DQ8) vs. 3-Yuna (FFX)

Heavy

1-Lynx (CC) vs. Claus F. Lester (ToP)
Barbarossa (S1) vs. Gades (Lufias)
Nina (BoF2) vs. Hojo (FF7)
Rutee Katrea (ToD) vs. 4-Yuber (S3)

Middle

1-Peter (SF2) vs. Queen (S3)
Nash (L:SSSC) vs. Karin Koenig (SH2)
Shiba (S3) vs. Bright (S3)
Lute (FE8) vs. 3-Bebedora (AtL4)

Light

1-Rude (FF7) vs. Mia Ausa (L:SSSC)
Gepetto (SH2) vs. Lucia (SH2)
Ricardo Gomez (SH3) vs. Kelvena (XG)
Dahna (G3) vs. 3-Frank Goldfinger (SH3)

[Shale]

Godlike

Celes Chere (FF6) vs. Jade (BoF1)
Tempted to vote Jade just because I know damn well he slaughters her under my interps, but eh. Silly rules.
Guv (DQ8) vs. 3-Yuna (FFX)
Call Team? What Call Team?

Heavy

Barbarossa (S1) vs. Gades (Lufias)
Heavy freaking rules this season.

Middle

Nash (L:SSSC) vs. Karin Koenig (SH2)
Yeaaaah.

Light

1-Rude (FF7) vs. Mia Ausa (L:SSSC)
Goes first, buffs? I suppose.
Gepetto (SH2) vs. Lucia (SH2)
Uh yeah.
Ricardo Gomez (SH3) vs. Kelvena (XG)
DEALS DAMAGE.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Godlike

Ryu (BoF3) vs. Ted (S4) - My kneejerk is that Ted is faster pretty much every way I try to slice it, which means Ryu just kinda explodes into itty tiny bits. And the first person to hype naked Ryu speed meets a high-speed wall to the head. ^_^
Celes Chere (FF6) vs. Jade (BoF1) - Uh, this is a great match. Will wait for arguments of other people, though, since I'd rather not have to crunch through this whole match. =P

Heavy

1-Lynx (CC) vs. Claus F. Lester (ToP) - This match fails.
Barbarossa (S1) vs. Gades (Lufias) - Please don't force me to vote on this. ;_;
Nina (BoF2) vs. Hojo (FF7) - Hojo is hilariously bad when bereft of Sleep.
Rutee Katrea (ToD) vs. Yuber - Uh, weird match. I'm assuming Yuber can keep a heal-lock with the threat of physical+Eight Devil, and that his speed keeps up enough. Could be wrong, but it feels like what he needs.

Middle

Peter (SF2) vs. Queen (S3) - Easy.
Shiba (S3) vs. Bright (S3) - If nothing else, faster. This match should not be in Middle.

Light

Rude (FF7) vs. Mia Ausa (L:SSSC) - Another interesting match. Mia goes first and gets to soften Rude's impact from the get-go. However, her non-Flameria damage is so awful that Rude might have a shot at outslugging even after two Cryo Walls, which is :psyduck:. I'll kneejerk for the one I consider a better Light, though.

[Dhyerwolf]

Godlike

1-Ryu (BoF3) vs. Ted (S4)- Ted. Hilarity.
Celes Chere (FF6) vs. Jade (BoF1)- Jade. Celes has about 25% evade to me...she might have an argument if she had some decent healing, but as is her MP solely gets worn down. She really wishes that neutral effects didn't cancel Vanish.
Berle (SO2) vs. Kratos Aurion (ToS)- Berle. HP+Defense+Metaguard let him outlast the not too durable boss Kratos.
Guv (DQ8) vs. 3-Yuna (FFX)- Yuna. Guv may have an argument! Based on AI...

Heavy

1-Lynx (CC) vs. Claus F. Lester (ToP)- Um, right.
Barbarossa (S1) vs. Gades (Lufias)- Gades
Nina (BoF2) vs. Hojo (FF7)- Nina2. Hojo fails that much.
Rutee Katrea (ToD) vs. 4-Yuber (S3)- This depends on how good Rutee's defense buff is. I should probably check that later.

Middle

1-Peter (SF2) vs. Queen (S3)- Peter
Nash (L:SSSC) vs. Karin Koenig (SH2)- Karin
Shiba (S3) vs. Bright (S3)- Bright
Lute (FE8) vs. 3-Bebedora (AtL4)- Lute

Light

1-Rude (FF7) vs. Mia Ausa (L:SSSC)- Fucking Rude.
Gepetto (SH2) vs. Lucia (SH2)- Gepetto
Ricardo Gomez (SH3) vs. Kelvena (XG)- Ricardo. Kelvena does deal damage! She just needs 2 allies dead!
Dahna (G3) vs. 3-Frank Goldfinger (SH3)- Frank. For all that I allow +2 to all elements helping healing...Sleep Cards+Heal...could that do it? Sleep hits on the turn 2 combo, so the question is how long does it last/does it reset the enemy timer. Wow, there might actually be an argument here.

[Clear Tranquil]

Frank got in again? xD He sure does get around.

Godlike -

Celes Chere (FF6) vs. Jade (BoF1)- Yay
Guv (DQ8) vs. 3-Yuna (FFX)


Middle

Nash (L:SSSC) vs. Karin Koenig (SH2) - Bah.

Light

Gepetto (SH2) vs. Lucia (SH2)

Lu's faster than Gep, maybe even faster than non tranformed Joe as well, has the best strength stat of the mages (wow ;p) and Gep is hellishly fragile with shitty defences anyway but ... but ADVENT!

[Twilkitri]

Godlike

Ryu (BoF3) vs. Ted (S4 S1) - Ryu >_>
Berle (SO2) vs. Kratos Aurion (ToS) - Kratos

Heavy

Barbarossa (S1) vs. Gades (Lufias) - Barbarossa
Nina (BoF2) vs. Hojo (FF7) - Hojo

Light

Rude (FF7) vs. Mia Ausa (LL) - Mia

[superaielman]

Godlike

1-Ryu (BoF3) vs. Ted (S4)- Judgement. *EYES Twil*
Celes Chere (FF6) vs. Jade (BoF1)- This match is just hilarious.
Guv (DQ8) vs. 3-Yuna (FFX)- See Shale. Though I'm not sure CT can deal with Shiva if she's playing defensively, let alone the rest.. yeah.

Heavy

Barbarossa (S1) vs. Gades (Lufias)- Gades is a Godlike, Barbarossa shouldn't be ranked.
Nina (BoF2) vs. Hojo (FF7)- I refuse to believe that Nina2 is beating a physical boss in HEAVY.
Rutee Katrea (ToD) vs. 4-Yuber (S3)- Same reaction as Snow.

Middle

1-Peter (SF2) vs. Queen (S3)
Nash (L:SSSC) vs. Karin Koenig (SH2)- Spoiled horribly.
Shiba (S3) vs. Bright (S3)
Lute (FE8) vs. 3-Bebedora (AtL4)

Light

1-Rude (FF7) vs. Mia Ausa (L:SSSC)- With as little as I respect FF7 bosses nowadays.. eh. Mia's non Flameria damage is awful. God this fails.
Gepetto (SH2) vs. Lucia (SH2)- Yay.
Ricardo Gomez (SH3) vs. Kelvena (XG)
Dahna (G3) vs. 3-Frank Goldfinger (SH3)- Dahna is hilariously inept even if you give her storebought magic or scale her to no SP. Frank goes first and manages a 2HKO.

[Meeplelard]

Godlike

Ryu (BoF3) vs. Ted (S4): Welcome to Godlike Te-...wait, right, goes first, OHKOs <_<;
Celes Chere (FF6) vs. Jade (BoF1): If this was any other boss, it'd be a decent fight, but...no, Jade's durability is too damn high for Celes to kill before Rub kicks in.

Also, Shale, if he slaughters under your interps, why the hell does it matter about OTHER interps <_<?

Berle (SO2) vs. Kratos Aurion (ToS): Berle is actually deserving of this rank, Kratos not so much.
Guv (DQ8) vs. Yuna (FFX): Interesting match, but Yuna's got more Meatshields, and they're stronger, even if she can only summon one at a time.

Heavy

Lynx (CC) vs. Claus F. Lester (ToP): Lynx wins this with his physicals, pretty sure, based on the form of Klarth I vote on.
Barbarossa (S1) vs. Gades (Lufias): Lufia 1 Gades is actually good.
Nina (BoF2) vs. Hojo (FF7): Hojo vs. Sleep Immunity, bwahaha!
Rutee Katrea (ToD) vs. Yuber (S3): IIRC, Rutee wasn't durable, so Yuber can heal lock her with physicals and an 8 Devil Finisher, I wanna say.

Middle

Peter (SF2) vs. Queen (S3): Queen is completely outmatched here.
Nash (L:SSSC) vs. Karin Koenig (SH2): Horrible draw for Nash, really.
Shiba (S3) vs. Bright (S3): Suko Monsters > Suiko Lizards, yes, this fight is that sad.
Lute (FE8) vs. Bebedora (AtL4): Lute counters magic, Bebedora doesn't.

Light

Rude (FF7) vs. Mia Ausa (L:SSSC): Should live long enough to cast 2 Ice Shells, and she resists his Magic anyway, win with Ice Wall? Eh, suppose that works for now.
Gepetto (SH2) vs. Lucia (SH2): Gepetto has damage, Lucia does not.
Ricardo Gomez (SH3) vs. Kelvena (XG): Kelvena is horrid.
Dahna (G3) vs. Frank Goldfinger (SH3): Dahna fails.

[Shale]

Also, Shale, if he slaughters under your interps, why the hell does it matter about OTHER interps <_<?

Because I haven't, technically speaking, played Breath of Fire 1.

[Meeplelard]

Ah, ok, that makes sense.

[Chisa]

Godlike

Ryu (BoF3) vs. Ted (S4) - Both OHKO, Ted goes first.
Celes Chere (FF6) vs. Jade (BoF1) - FUCK OFF JADE.
Guv (DQ8) vs. Yuna (FFX) - Even without Anima and the Magus Sisters, the Aeons still own Call Team.

Heavy

Lynx (CC) vs. Claus F. Lester (ToP) - When Lynx SMASH is a viable answer, you know Heavy's full of fail.
Barbarossa (S1) vs. Gades (Lufias) - L1 Gades.
Nina (BoF2) vs. Hojo (FF7) - Status schmatus.  2HKOs with physical damage.

Middle

Nash (L:SSSC) vs. Karin Koenig (SH2) - Spoiler draw!
Shiba (S3) vs. Bright (S3) - Faster, stronger, Shiba downgrade imminent.

Light

Rude (FF7) vs. Mia Ausa (L:SSSC) - Mia can wall Rude's damage...but then her damage is even worse, thanks to fire absorb.  Leaning Rude here.
Gepetto (SH2) vs. Lucia (SH2) - Light elemental boost.  Owned.
Ricardo Gomez (SH3) vs. Kelvena (XG) - Kelvena sucks.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Um, Chisa. Hojo does something like 5HKO average at best with his highest physical damage. Nina2 is freaking frail, but she is so not frail enough to be 2HKOed by 40% PC HP in physicals.

[Chisa]

I give FF7 an average HP of around 3600 going into this fight.  Hojo's combo does about 1400-1500 damage average to a single target.  While technically it's multiple hits, I count the combo attack as one action, except with regards to counters, and Nina2 don't counter for shit.  Regardless if Hojo's status hits or not, that's a three turn KO on average, and Nina's physical frailty boosts it into the two range.  The fact that Nina still has an argument for winning after this is a testimonial to Hojo's failure, but I doubt she can kill him fast enough.

[Dark Holy Elf]

Godlike

1-Ryu (BoF3) vs. Ted (S4): Faster. Weeeird. Way to turn the Godlike Welcome on its head, Ted.
Celes Chere (FF6) vs. Jade (BoF1): Rub. Yeah, no longer see any reason to restrict rarish moves, too arbitrary. He can spam that 3% spell all day!
Guv (DQ8) vs. 3-Yuna (FFX): Better summons. Better without summons. I'd find a vote the other way baffling, here. Anyway, Yojimbo/Shiva owns Call Team for free.

Heavy

Barbarossa (S1) vs. Gades (Lufias): Oh fuck this. Barbarossa, probably, even if I'm shaky on his legality. Beats voting for a Puny.
Nina (BoF2) vs. Hojo (FF7): Get out of Heavy, Hojo.

Middle

1-Peter (SF2) vs. Queen (S3): Better slugger.
Nash (L:SSSC) vs. Karin Koenig (SH2): ;_;
Shiba (S3) vs. Bright (S3): Is actually a Middle.

Light

1-Rude (FF7) vs. Mia Ausa (L:SSSC): Ice Shell.
Gepetto (SH2) vs. Lucia (SH2): 2HKOs due to Advent hitting a weakness. Pathetic.
Ricardo Gomez (SH3) vs. Kelvena (XG): HITS WEAKNESS! Side note, I don't get why one wouldn't let Kelvena attack. Penalising her for the fact that she heals allies when they are alive is silly; that's obviously a (sensible) AI quirk. Unless you really believe her godly water magic damage is a limit.
Dahna (G3) vs. 3-Frank Goldfinger (SH3): Much better slugger.

[Dhyerwolf]

Well, Kelvena can only specifically start attacking when 2 allies or dead. If you don't damage her allies, she'll still heal them. Tolone gains an extra move when 1 dies, Kelvena when 2, and Dominia when 3.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

I give FF7 an average HP of around 3600 going into this fight.  Hojo's combo does about 1400-1500 damage average to a single target. 

3600 average HP at -that- point in the game, Chisa? That's rather low for a point that skirts FF7 endgame. You should have a built up HP Plus materia, and HP Plus materias become storebought by then in Cosmo Canyon, which should bring up the averages a fair deal. Then, there's the issue of all of his forms being frail if you take the formchain (as in, the most durable form may get OHKOed by average damage-level frail), his first form can't even attack and the second form is slower than Nina... um, yeah. He might even 2HKO Nina with Lifeform, but my kneejerk is to think he doesn't get the two turns he needs to do it.

[Dark Holy Elf]

Why should you have lots of built up HP Plus materias? So you can withstand the GODLY MIGHT OF FF7 DAMAGE and gain limits slower? I mean, damn, I agree with you, but it's reasonable one would only have 3600 HP.

(Also, 3600 shows the signs of some HP Plus use already, just not much.)

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

I guess it's just habit. And I didn't say -lots- of built HP Plus, just one. >_> I just tend to assume one built HP Plus + two-L1 HP Pluses are fairly default. Your point on limit still stands, though, I just get a bit sensitive with boss damage inflation. Sorry for the lapse there. <_<;

[Meeplelard]

In general? HP Plus tends to offset Magic/Summon Materia's work on HP for averages.  Typically, you'll have at least one built up HP Plus Materia for insurance on someone; that doesn't seem too farfetched.

This is especially good investment when you load someone up with Summon/Magic Materia, cause they're HP is hit hard, so you want to compensate somehow.

[Ultradude]

Rutee Katrea (ToD) vs. 4-Yuber (S3): His boss form's damage was more than enough for this, right?

Shiba (S3) vs. Bright (S3): Lolmatch.

[OblivionKnight]

Godlike

1-Ryu (BoF3) vs. Ted (S4) - Bleh.  Ted's plot ID works, I guess.  DAMN. >_>  Wait, dead Ryu3 is good.  Yay Ted!
Celes Chere (FF6) vs. Jade (BoF1) - Jade.  Go ID.  No Minerva arguments either!
Berle (SO2) vs. Kratos Aurion (ToS) - Berle.  Kratos...just can't squeeze the hits in.
Guv (DQ8) vs. 3-Yuna (FFX) - Yuna.  Even allowing only the optional Aeons, Yojimbo alone sinks it.

Heavy

1-Lynx (CC) vs. Claus F. Lester (ToP) - Klarth.
Barbarossa (S1) vs. Gades (Lufias) - Mmm...interesting.  I...think Barby might actually take this.
Nina (BoF2) vs. Hojo (FF7) - Hojo.
Rutee Katrea (ToD) vs. 4-Yuber (S3) - Rutee.  

Middle

1-Peter (SF2) vs. Queen (S3) - Peter.
Nash (L:SSSC) vs. Karin Koenig (SH2) - Nash.  Lunar Legends form is just as fast and has 2-shottable lightning damage!  He kills faster!  Yay Nash hype!
Shiba (S3) vs. Bright (S3) - ...Bright.
Lute (FE8) vs. 3-Bebedora (AtL4) - ...interesting.  Bebedora's draining probably let's her win this.  

Light

1-Rude (FF7) vs. Mia Ausa (L:SSSC) - Mia.
Gepetto (SH2) vs. Lucia (SH2) - Gepetto.
Ricardo Gomez (SH3) vs. Kelvena (XG) - Kelvena.  
Dahna (G3) vs. 3-Frank Goldfinger (SH3) - Mmm...Dahna.  Hits the sleep, heals until SP runs out?  At worst, status pounding or Dancing Cards hype might do it?

[Nitori]

Godlike

Celes Chere (FF6) vs. Jade (BoF1)
Guv (DQ8) vs. 3-Yuna (FFX)

Heavy

Barbarossa (S1) vs. Gades (Lufias)
Nina (BoF2) vs. Hojo (FF7)

Middle

Nash (L:SSSC) vs. Karin Koenig (SH2)

Light

1-Rude (FF7) vs. Mia Ausa (L:SSSC)
Gepetto (SH2) vs. Lucia (SH2)

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Rutee Katrea (ToD) vs. 4-Yuber (S3): His boss form's damage was more than enough for this, right?

His boss form gets OHKOed and can't OHKO back. <_<

[Sierra]

Godlike

Celes Chere (FF6) vs. Jade (BoF1): God, I hate Jade. Anyway, don't think Celes can wear him down in time.

Heavy

Barbarossa (S1) vs. Gades (Lufias): Less of a headache.
Nina (BoF2) vs. Hojo (FF7): I view his damage pretty much the same as Chisa does. Also, where's the status-blocking hype coming from for Nina? Because, as always, I don't allow storebought blockers.

Middle

Peter (SF2) vs. Queen (S3): Better slugger.
Nash (L:SSSC) vs. Karin Koenig (SH2): Status is out the window, and Nash damage respect is not found.
Shiba (S3) vs. Bright (S3): Bright....actually has something approaching respectable offense, and S3 lizards have trouble hitting a fucking barn.

Light

Rude (FF7) vs. Mia Ausa (L:SSSC): My FFVII boss respect is higher than most people's.
Gepetto (SH2) vs. Lucia (SH2): Actually has offense. That hits a weakness, to boot. Sad match.
Ricardo Gomez (SH3) vs. Kelvena (XG): Goddamned SH3. Stop winning matches! Anyway...even hitting a weakness, Kelvena probably doesn't break Ricardo's regen. Out of morbid curiosity, does SH3 berserk status have any negative effects beyond the confusion?

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Nina2's hype for sleep-blocking is from a storebought accessory, yes.