Okay, I've read a bit more, and...Meeple does indeed not seem to be generating a lot of content on his own. He attacked Rat by echoing the same faulty argument Alex initially used. In fairness, Meep did concede that this argument was in error. But beyond that, he's mostly just responded to the people attacking him. Cor in particular--that's where Meeple's vote was at the end of day one and we now know that Cor was town. Admittedly I also voted to lynch someone who turned out to be a townie (and I stand by my reasons for doing so), but this is a relevant detail to add on top of my other misgivings about Meeple. His playstyle this game has been structured too much around reacting to people questioning him and not enough building cases of his own.
You say this, El Cid, and you totally ignore how I did in fact add my own content by indicating that Excal's playing with numbers was just he being himself, and not enough of a tell by itself. I tried to take a stance that I felt people were exaggerating a bit too much on...and look, suddenly, Excal flips town after a lynch! Now, it was Day 1, and there was little to work off of, so I can see WHY he got lynched, just I still felt like people were attacking him for no reason.
I have to agree with Alex's statement about "This is not the Alex I know!" thing kicking in. It was vaguely brought up in Random Mafia where Alex had this immense tunnel vision on Smodge, and it seemed unlike him, so when Smodge was flipped Town and the exact role he claimed even, people went after him. Alex plays games differently and works off situations that present themselves. He's been consistent about THAT much. Just going "Alex hasn't been himself, SCUM!"...well, you're basically using the OPPOSITE logic against me, in a sense:
"Meeple's acting like Meeple, SCUM!"
I don't see where this fits. So for Alex, he's expected to act a certain way and if he doesn't, he's suddenly Scum, yet for me, if I DO act the way I always do, I *AM* looking scummy? That just rings circular, inconsistent logic.
And Rat brings Soppy's original error back up. Ok, so Soppy coming out and openly claiming something that is LESS true than what I said is suddenly not as bad as "Skimming a post -> misinterpreting"? There's something that doesn't fit here. I smell inconsistency all over the place. Soppy gets called on an obvious mistake...then people decide to overlook it.
THEN I get called on a mistake not long after, and people keep going on over it.
El Cid then brings up the whole "You posted you were lurking day 1 cause nothing important was happening, its up to you to start it as a town!" The reason I didn't try to start is quite simple; I am not confident enough to do it. I'm a bit paranoid, so I feel going on the aggressive early on, especially since I'm not entirely experienced, is going to make me look suspicious. Its that simple, really. I remember Yakko seemed a bit weird back in an earlier game (think it was NR Mafia) where I was playfully calling Ciato out on something, and he came in and did this whole "You're being silly, we have to get serious, it doesn't look good Meeple!" when...the serious discussion obviously hasn't started yet. It seemed odd he sniped at me for Day 1 silliness when that's still all that was going on at the time. Granted, turned out that Yakko was mostly telling me to calm down a bit, and that his "lets get serious" was a general statement and not directed at me necessarily (though, the way he worded it, it could be taken in a variety of ways.)
And...my reasoning for keeping my vote on Cor? I didn't feel strongly about anyone, and I still felt something was wrong with him, though, I don't suppose I did have a justified case. THEN AGAIN, I stand by that I did note that people were attacking Excal's playing with numbers thing harshly, when its Excal being himself, since that's all it felt like it was.
Now, regarding the Alex votes...
I don't think Kilga has justified himself for it really. "This is not the Alex I know!" is just ludicrous. That line isn't metagaming, its just an excuse. You're basically calling out Alex for not harping on EVERY SINGLE MISTAKE IN EXISTENCE, LET ALONE ONE YOU ARE SUPPORTIVE OF! Um, ok, sure, that makes sense...except not really. Alex did attack Excal for his mistake, and the way I've seen Alex play, frankly, he deals with one person at a time. To what degree, it varies. So maybe he didn't see my mistake as a scumtell, but saw Excal's as one, and thus attacked it. He wasn't being particularly tunnel vision about it either; he was going after Rat at the same time.
QR's feels a bit more justified now. Taking a point, and then twisting it to mean something else can be scummy behavior. That is something to look into.
However...I still can't shake this whole fact that Kilga is obsessed over the concept of mistakes. Kilga's gone after Alex first...then he went after this whole mistake business, and frankly, he's still stuck on that. Now, at the same time, Alex attacked Rat, who was the other person who was harping on the Mistake business, and Rat basically has just been on me since.
Now, here's another thing about Kilga/Rat aspect...
They're both the only ones attacking Alex over how he's not looking at my mistake as a big deal. No one else really brought up much either, but they go after Alex, only cause it "Does not look like the Alex we know!" or "Its odd he doesn't view it much!"
Yet Alex *HAS* put a case as to why. He's not just brushing aside. Look at what Alex has been saying. He's basically saying that one time mistakes aren't too big a deal, especially when its misinterpretation. Unfortunately, it seems people are never allowed to misinterpret things from your point of view. That's...pretty wrong. Misinterpretations happen. Alex viewed my mistake as such, as did most people here. El Cid noted it, but reading over his post, his reason for voting me was based on a sum of facts, and that was just one of them. For the most part, it seems you two were going after me. Now Kilga decided to go after Alex for the fact that he's not being Alex-like.
To Soppy: My reason for voting Cor was cause I just didn't feel satisfied with his reasonings. He claimed to have defended himself, yet when I read his posts, he...didn't really do that. He then posted in a style that basically said nothing. I mostly just didn't have a strong opinion on anyone at the time (no, not even Excal; again, as I said, I read Excal's post as him being himself, and people attacking him for it), and I wasn't satisfied with Cor...I can't really explain why, but he was rubbing me the wrong way.
However...
Vote: KilgamayanIf nothing else, I keep reading his posts as "Alex is not being Alex-like!" and that's his justification, and he's too bent on this mistake business one way or another. As I also noted, QR at very least gave a good, different reason behind her vote, and it makes me a bit weary of Alex too. Whether Rat's just being aggressive, or he's actually some sort of scum buddy...hard to say, but I can't shake the feeling that there's some connection between the two since their arguments are similarly in line with each other (for all that they voted for different people this round). AT THE SAME TIME, however, it feels a bit too obvious, since that'd be bad scum play; continually showing similar trains of thought would imply they're talking about of chat somehow, and since this is a powerless game, the only way the two can talk is being scum, so its especially bad here, so Rat I'm unsure on since I feel my reasoning for the connection is WIFOM, so I'll refrain. But Kilga still feels like something is off with him.
