Season 56, Week 5 - Mewtwo looks strangely similar to Astral Dragon...

[Hunter Sopko]

Godlike:

Fou-Lu (BoF4) vs Mewtwo (Pokemon)

Heavy:

Billy Lee Black (XG) vs Kanon (WA2)

Middle:

Max (SF1) vs Lyon (FE8)

Light:

Thomas (S3) vs Black Wizard (FF1)

[Monkeyfinger]

Godlike:

Fou-Lu (BoF4) vs Mewtwo (Pokemon): Opens with amnesia, takes one dark wave, doubleturns, and 2HKOs. If he doesn't 3-2, he could try attack to weaken dark wave, take hit, heal, try to stall, but that's shaky and depends on a lot of factors.

Middle:

Max (SF1) vs Lyon (FE8): Probably takes 2 hits.

Light:

Thomas (S3) vs Black Wizard (FF1)

[Dark Holy Elf]

Godlike:

Fou-Lu (BoF4) vs Mewtwo (Pokemon): I know I've voted this way in the past. Monkey's argument seems... reasonably sound, although I kneejerk the defensive argument is more solid. The kitty pretty much got his dream season.

Heavy:

Billy Lee Black (XG) vs Kanon (WA2): I hope Kanon wins and upgrades to Godlike. She doesn't bother me as much as many interpsplit type situations but I still dislike her basically nulling a season for me.

Middle:

Max (SF1) vs Lyon (FE8): I need to work out Lyon's exactly durability? Mrf.

Light:

Thomas (S3) vs Black Wizard (FF1): Melville would totally win this, though.

[Paltheos]

Godlike:

Fou-Lu (BoF4) vs Mewtwo (Pokemon) - It feels a little weird allowing multi-turning when both games are rigidly one-to-one turn-based. If that is allowed, then yeah, Mewtwo should win, I think. An Astral critical may OHKO, but I don't remember how often he really crits. I know it's allot, but unless it's at least 50% then never mind.

[Dhyerwolf]

Godlike:

Fou-Lu (BoF4) vs Mewtwo (Pokemon)- FRLG makes Mewtwo cry, as it usually does. Really would like to vote Mewtwo, but 50% healing sinks him.

Heavy:

Billy Lee Black (XG) vs Kanon (WA2)

Middle:

Max (SF1) vs Lyon (FE8)- Uhhh...Lyon question mark as usual

Light:

Thomas (S3) vs Black Wizard (FF1)

[Hunter Sopko]

Godlike:

Fou-Lu (BoF4) vs Mewtwo (Pokemon)

Heavy:

Billy Lee Black (XG) vs Kanon (WA2) - PC Kanon fries, Boss Kanon can't outspeed enough to seal the win.

Middle:

Max (SF1) vs Lyon (FE8) - Max goes first, him getting one double in seals it, I think, and the chance is very good of that happening. Granted, this is me seeing them both getting 3HKOed, so it's a close but good match.

Light:

Thomas (S3) vs Black Wizard (FF1) - Kneejerk

[Monkeyfinger]

FRLG Mewtwo can try the stalling strat just fine, the reduced MDef and MDef buffing doesn't matter because Fou ignores all that. If it fails, it's because RBY form couldn't do it either.

He can't try a blitz, though.

Lyon, for all his flaws, has really good damage. I can't imagine Max taking 2 of his attacks.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Fou-Lu (BoF4) vs Mewtwo (Pokemon) - I'm not sure if Mewtwo survives a Dark Wave before damaging Fou. However, he -does- pretty much without question after a single Psychic, and he 3-2s and 3HKOs (if Monkey sees Fou-Lu folding to two Amnesia'd Psychics, I can't see why I wouldn't see him dying to a similar damage spread).

Billy Lee Black (XG) vs Kanon (WA2) - Funny thing is I remember the initial spark that made me start being more lenient on boss forms for PCs: Kanon annoying the hell out of me by winning matches her PC form shouldn't win. Then Tonfa came with an argument I don't even remember anymore and swayed me. Heh.

Max (SF1) vs Lyon (FE8) - Gutcheck, honestly. Close match either way.

Thomas (S3) vs Black Wizard (FF1) - The universe now has reached a quantic failgularity.

[Monkeyfinger]

Amnesia + 2 psychics = 4 normal psychics. 3 wouldn't do it for me.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

* Jo'ou Ranbu nods.

Which is to say it's... probably enough to me anyway? I don't think I'd see Fou's raw mdur against NE above 2.4x PC HP. I'm not sure I even see his raw PC HP as above 1.8x, so... he really sells himself on the resistance and stats, although 1.8x PC HP raw is already beginning to err into impressive on my standards for boss scaling.

EDIT: And coming to think of it... I'm probably overselling Dark Wave anyway. Mewtwo's got solid HP, and that should be enough to stave off the OHKO, which renders the whole thing irrelevant anyway.

[Taishyr]

Godlike:

Fou-Lu (BoF4) vs Mewtwo (Pokemon)

Light:

Thomas (S3) vs Black Wizard (FF1)

[Pyro]

Godlike:

Fou-Lu (BoF4) vs Mewtwo (Pokemon): Just going with the crowd.

Heavy:

Billy Lee Black (XG) vs Kanon (WA2): Sure, why not.

Middle:

Max (SF1) vs Lyon (FE8): I guess Lyon MIGHT be capable of taking two shots from the Chaos Breaker. If you don't scale bosses at all ever. Max can take one hit so he kills. Might OHKO for me.

Light:

Thomas (S3) vs Black Wizard (FF1): LIGHT CHAMPION BLACK WIZARD.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Thomas (S3) vs Black Wizard (FF1): LIGHT CHAMPION BLACK WIZARD.

Quantum singularity of failure indeed, boys.

[superaielman]

Billy, Max, Black Wizard. Need to think on Godlike.

[OblivionKnight]

Godlike:

Fou-Lu (BoF4) vs Mewtwo (Pokemon) - Fou-Lu.  Not really close, I think - HP->1 Lock wins it fairly easily. 

Heavy:

Billy Lee Black (XG) vs Kanon (WA2) - Kanon.  Not tough.  Even with defense boosting, healing, and speed boosting, he can't take it.

Middle:

Max (SF1) vs Lyon (FE8) - Lyon.  UNLESS SUPERNOVA BREAKS WEAPON TRIANGLE ADVANTAGE?!!?

Light:

Thomas (S3) vs Racially Insensitive Wizard (FF1) - ...is Thomas' current rank indicitive of his previous wins?  If not, does it get him above 3.00?  Really important, as it decides the battle (Yellow Scarves didn't cover instantaneous soul busting, did they?).

[Taishyr]

OK: Yes, it is indicative of his wins thus far, unless I am sorely mistaken.

[BaconForTheSoul]

Godlike:

Fou-Lu (BoF4) vs Mewtwo (Pokemon) - Basically what everyone else said.  If DW would OHKO at full life, Mewtwo just opens with Psychic and then Recover + Psychic on the double.  After eating 2 psychics and Mewtwo healing 50%, I can't think of anything that Fou-Lu could do to win the match anymore.



Light:

Thomas (S3) vs Black Wizard (FF1) - And BM doesn't think that God loves him.

[James_xeno]

Godlike:

Fou-Lu (BoF4) vs Mewtwo (Pokemon) - Kneejerk RBY Mewtwo here. Not sure yet though.


Heavy:

Billy Lee Black (XG) vs Kanon (WA2) - Outlasts through his endurance, (cheap full healing) and decimates with lesser DBs and combos. His staying power, coupled with her lack of it, really just puts this one out of reach for her.


Middle:

Max (SF1) vs Lyon (FE8)


Light:

Thomas (S3) vs Black Wizard (FF1)

[alanna82]

Fou-Lu (BoF4) vs Mewtwo (Pokemon)- quit robbing people Mewtwo. LOL people voting on outdated mechanics that every other pokemon game doesnt use. If you port a RBY Mewtwo into Gold/Sliver, its the same Mewtwo, but now its using Gold/silver mechanics, thus the RBY mechanics become illegal to me. Fou Lou uses HP= 1 and LOL recover hype.
 
Heavy:

Billy Lee Black (XG) vs Kanon (WA2)- quit robbing people Kanon

Middle:

Max (SF1) vs Lyon (FE8)- quit robbing people Lyon

Light:

Thomas (S3) vs Black Wizard (FF1)- Spoils.

[Ultradude]

Fou-Lu (BoF4) vs Mewtwo (Pokemon)- quit robbing people Mewtwo. LOL people voting on outdated mechanics that every other pokemon game doesnt use. If you port a RBY Mewtwo into Gold/Sliver, its the same Mewtwo, but now its using Gold/silver mechanics, thus the RBY mechanics become illegal to me. Fou Lou uses HP= 1 and LOL recover hype.

1. A few people have only played RBY I believe.

2. That, to me, is equivalent to forcing XS characters to use their XS3 or (if you only allow forms from ranked games) their XS2 forms. Which I think someone here does, and apologies if that's you and I forgot, but that's certainly not most people.

[SnowFire]

No way I can legally vote on Mewtwo with no RBY, but for two cents on the interp...

Pokemon's a weird case though because it has much more continuity between games; it feels like more aspects of a character are "discovered" but were hypothetically always there, if that makes any sense.  The most notable thing that means is that, as far as I'm concerned, all RBY Psychic types always were and still are still weak to Dark, there just aren't any Dark enemies in RBY.   Flip side I'd see taking the relative stats from one edition of the game and not "updating" them.

...anyway, I think that's all Mewtwo needs to have a sure loss if I could legally vote here, as "Dark Wave" sure sounds Dark-typed to me.  Yeah there's the "Lightning Stab isn't actually Lightning!" argument, which has backing in game, but so far as I recall BoFIV didn't actually have a Dark element?  Without further guidance, I'd let that be Dark in the DL (just as games that basically ignore elements, like FE7, have their elemental weakness/strengths go off too since a Thunder tome is indisputably Thunder elemental).

[Ultradude]

If Dark Wave is set damage as opposed to hitting defenses, it doesn't matter because stuff like that (Seismic Toss) doesn't hit weaknesses in-game.

[Dark Holy Elf]

Dark Wave... yeah, I don't see it as dark elemental. One of the reasons that it is scary in-game is that it is completely unstoppable, unlike, say, A-Tur's similar yet elemental Frost Breath. No way do I see Vivi flashing some FF9 equip nonsense and nulling it. (Normally this is a good thing for Fou-Lu, but yeah, it means I don't see him hitting weakness on Mewtwo.)

FE7 tomes actually do have "elements", just in the case of the Thunder tome, that element is anima. Granted, it makes more sense to split Anima into Fire, Thunder, Ice, and Wind when considering it against other casts.

Other than that I don't really hold with the assignment of complete plot elements such as Dark Wave, especially since "Dark" in this case probably refers to the fact that Tyrant is a "dark" dragon in BoF tradition, rather than the associated element.