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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #75 on: March 06, 2010, 12:26:38 AM »
I've always thought Grant was a really random choice for being on anything. The right's fixation with putting Reagan on everything creeps me the hell out, though, so I'm fine with the fifty being the way it is.

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #76 on: March 06, 2010, 12:49:39 AM »
"who cares"
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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #77 on: March 06, 2010, 01:52:06 AM »
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/03/03/2010-03-03_congressman_patrick_mchenry_wants_ronald_reagans_face_put_on_50_bill.html

Reagan on the $50 dollar bill is being floated around again. Thoughts?

Putting the man whose deregulatory policies eventually fucked the country up to the point where a black man became president in a landslide on our currency?  Makes sense.  Trail of Tears Jackson is on the 20 after all.

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #78 on: March 06, 2010, 02:05:01 AM »
I've always thought Grant was a really random choice for being on anything. The right's fixation with putting Reagan on everything creeps me the hell out, though, so I'm fine with the fifty being the way it is.

I always assumed it was a Fuck-You to the South.

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #79 on: March 08, 2010, 07:39:45 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/08/opinion/08krugman.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

Krugman talking about the similarities between Ireland's financial crisis and the US's. 

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #80 on: March 08, 2010, 09:28:16 PM »
I've always thought Grant was a really random choice for being on anything. The right's fixation with putting Reagan on everything creeps me the hell out, though, so I'm fine with the fifty being the way it is.

Roosevelt's not on a bill yet, seems like a more significant oversight to me if you're going to replace Grant with someone. (Heck, I wrote the above meaning Franklin, but it goes for Theodore too, really.) Way too soon to put Reagan on anything if you ask me, he's still too political.

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #81 on: March 08, 2010, 09:47:58 PM »
FDR's on the dime.

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #82 on: March 08, 2010, 09:49:36 PM »
Not on a bill though, and Lincoln/Jefferson/Washington establish that being on a coin doesn't preclude you from being on a bill.

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #83 on: March 08, 2010, 10:32:26 PM »
For political realities, if you put FDR on something, you'd better pair it up with the other Roosevelt.

It's been said in here before, but the Roosevelt bedroom?  During democratic presidencies, FDR's portrait is above the fireplace, and during republican ones it's Teddy.
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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #85 on: March 10, 2010, 05:42:03 PM »
http://www.race-talk.org/?p=3316

Welp.

Filing this under "why humanity sucks".

EDIT:
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/09/why-a-big-mac-costs-less-than-a-salad/

And here's more encouraging news - the government subsidies are mainly going to unhealthy foods!

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #86 on: March 10, 2010, 06:14:18 PM »
Y'know, that casts Obama's brushing off the idea of decriminalization in a considerably worse light.  Bad president.  No biscuit.
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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #87 on: March 10, 2010, 08:54:33 PM »
http://www.race-talk.org/?p=3316

Welp.

Filing this under "why humanity sucks".

Old news.  Ranted about this before.  Wish I could find the name of the ex-DEA agent who took the DEA to court (and won!  And still nothing's been done.  Sigh.) over this. 

It's all about money, too.  More arrests made, the more funding the DEA gets.  It's so much easier to do this by A) nailing poor people who can't afford lawyers and B) focusing all their 'efforts' in a handful of locations, so they have no real incentive to branch out of the inner cities.  So a disproportionate amount of Blacks and Hispanics get arrested because they're the ones usually living in the inner city. 

This isn't even getting into the conscious racial profiling most police do.  I may be white but shit like this just fuels my distaste for law enforcement. Extremely depressing.
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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #88 on: March 10, 2010, 09:57:18 PM »
http://www.race-talk.org/?p=3316

Welp.

Filing this under "why humanity sucks".

My gut instinct is that this article is a wee bit slanted.  I'm sure the statistics are correct, but they're presented in a misleading way.  For instance, the comment about 80% of the arrests being possession of Marijuana--given that it was surrounded by all the negative impacts of imprisonment, my mind assumed that they probably were being imprisoned.  But if it's anything like Canada, they weren't--they get arrested, get a ride in the car, an overnight stay, a slap on the wrist, and then they'd be gone.

And as far as the falling scores go, those have much more frequently been linked to crack cocaine rather than the war on drugs.  In fact, many Affrican Americans still believe that Crack was created by the CIA to kill the black people.  I find the allegation absurd, but there's no question that Crack hit the African American population much harder than any other demographic.  It was a drug they could actually afford frequently, giving many of them their first serious substance abuse addiction; and Crack's high is relatively short, allowing a high level of addiction to be built up in a short period of time.  Also: for the first time, Black people were finding themselves able to buy drugs directly from suppliers (instead of going through the mafia) meaning they could actually make a profit out of being a drug dealer.

Which is why I find myself a bit weirded out by this article trying to claim "black people don't do drugs nearly as much as white people."  The crack explosion in black communities is very well-documented.  And I have a friend who lives in the ghetto--I adore her African American neighbors (if they hear us singing Beatles songs they'll burst through the door to provide harmony); but the way she tells it she could buy pot from anyone on the block (and given that every time I visit she seems to have a ready supply of pot, I believe her).  Point is, ever since the advent of crack, there have been a lot of drugs in American ghettoes.

And to say that "no, we shouldn't arrest them, drugs aren't a big deal" is clearly not a fix-all; crime rates were on a steady decline before crack, and since the advent of crack were on a heavy incline, largely due to ghetto turf wars.  African American males became the #1 murder victim of any demographic (per capita) by a factor of about 4:1, and almost always murdered by other African Americans.  Test scores of African Americans in schools dropped precipitously.  Average weight of newborn African American babies dropped dramatically.  To have not gotten involved would be very irresponsible.

Not saying that American politicians don't have their heads screwed on wrong in some ways; I've always found the length of American prison sentences a bit unreasonable.  But "tough on crime" is a motto I've seen politicians yell in several other countries; countries where there's no racial connection at all.  There will always be a section of the voterbase you can appease by being "tough on crime"--whether or not this toughness is actually effective.  And I would hazard a guess that most American voters don't imagine a black person when they think "tough on crime" either--the most publicized criminals in America have all been white--Charles Manson, Timothy McVeigh, the Unibomber, the Columbine boys, and the mormons who kidnapped Elisabeth Smart.  If someone told me to visualize a criminal, I'd visualize a white guy with tattoos, and I think most Americans would too.  Which is to say, I'm hardly convinced that the voterbase calling for "tough on crime" is doing so out of fear of black people.  Maybe some politicians are, but several of them probably say "tough on crime" just because it's a popular thing to say with the voterbase.

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It's all about money, too.  More arrests made, the more funding the DEA gets.  It's so much easier to do this by A) nailing poor people who can't afford lawyers and B) focusing all their 'efforts' in a handful of locations, so they have no real incentive to branch out of the inner cities.  So a disproportionate amount of Blacks and Hispanics get arrested because they're the ones usually living in the inner city. 

Oh, definitely.  And there is class discrimination there.  But as you mentioned, it's not just blacks.  Hell, go to a trailer park filled with poor white folks, and ask them whether they like cops.  I'm betting the answer is no.

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This isn't even getting into the conscious racial profiling most police do.

Well, yes, racial profiling is a really serious and well-documented problem, that undoubtedly contributes to the skewed nature of a lot of these statistics.  But even if we legalized all drugs tomorrow, I don't think you'd stop racial profiling.



I dunno, it's weird, I agree with this guy's goal--regulations around drugs should be stripped away.  But this should be done because other countries have shown that legalization helps the problem.

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #89 on: March 10, 2010, 10:02:11 PM »
I never implied anything of the sort.  I meant that racial profiling compounds the problem on top of the money the DEA gets for focusing on the inner cities.  Not that the drug war causes racial profiling.

Aaaaand of fucking course the "trailer park filled with poor white folks" will have their problems with the cops.  But those areas are less targeted by federal enforcement agencies purely as a matter of population density.  More people in the inner cities means more arrests, which means a larger increase in funding each year.  Less people in trailer parks means less arrests, which means less of an increase (or, god forbid, a funding CUT!).
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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #90 on: March 10, 2010, 10:06:39 PM »
I never implied anything of the sort.  I meant that racial profiling compounds the problem on top of the money the DEA gets for focusing on the inner cities.  Not that the drug war causes racial profiling.

Right, didn't mean to imply that you were suggesting that.  I was more going after the author who was trying to make this all a big government conspiracy against black people.

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #91 on: March 10, 2010, 10:09:48 PM »
Eh, it is in part true.  I'm positive that the PODLR talk I went to a few months covered that DEA internal investigations even acknowledged the problem, but I've long since lost the pamphlet for that and when I tried looking a few months ago for evidence of it on the internet I wasn't able to find the case in question.  The author has their bias, of course, but that doesn't mean the problem doesn't actually exist.

EDIT: That may well be because the talk was by LEAP and not PODLR.  Maybe I'll have better luck finding it after I get back from work tonight.

EDIT2:  It was!  http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php?name=Speakers&bio=234

Matthew Fogg.  Details of the case got bumbled in my memory.  It DID have to do with race, though!
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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #92 on: March 11, 2010, 01:24:56 PM »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/10/mcdonnel-overrides-ag-cuc_n_494086.html

...and Virginia's governor overrides the AG and says the universities CAN prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. 
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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #93 on: March 11, 2010, 02:49:18 PM »
And random article that showed up in the huff post side panel...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/08/palin-crossed-border-for_n_490080.html

You know, in some ways I think I'm going to be sad when Palin disappears from public view....

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #94 on: March 14, 2010, 07:01:29 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100314/ts_afp/mideastdiplomacyusisraelaxelrod_20100314150723

And now for something a bit more international. What do you guys think?


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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #95 on: March 14, 2010, 07:21:00 PM »
Israel is...........building houses?  And this is apparently bad?  Am I missing something obvious?

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #96 on: March 14, 2010, 07:57:18 PM »
They're building houses where Palestinians are already living.  Yes, yes you are.

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #97 on: March 14, 2010, 10:59:28 PM »
More specifically, the Israeli settlements aren't like "the Poles are moving into this neighborhood of Detroit."  Nobody would complain if Jews wanted to just go live to the east.  The problem is that they're destroying whatever Palestinian buildings were there before, then they're creating hermetic, sealed communities which require the Israeli military to protect.  And not letting anyone else in afterward.  And offering huge tax breaks and incentives to go be a "settler."  Yes, it's just as dumb as creating tiny, useless, planned communities in Montana and paying people tons of money to go live there.  Even ignoring the Palestinians this'd be a completely insane policy.

...buuuuut the settlers are also hardcore voters who also align as a block against any attempt to slow them down or take away their special privileges.  It was a miracle that Sharon was able to withdraw from Gaza.

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #98 on: March 15, 2010, 01:32:29 AM »
This is a terrible idea (as the entire "settlement" program is) and I hate Benjamin Netanyahu. That said, though.....

Nobody would complain if Jews wanted to just go live to the east. 

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #99 on: March 15, 2010, 02:27:10 AM »
This just in, Israel continues to do what it has been doing for years.  At least the US has called them on it for once.
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