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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #250 on: June 07, 2010, 03:47:53 AM »
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3899835,00.html

I hope things keeps escalating like this.  "Fuck your flotilla.  We'll send our own aid flotilla to Turkey.  And it'll be BETTER.  With BLACKJACK. And HOOKERS."

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #251 on: June 07, 2010, 08:28:24 AM »
We'll show them!  THIS is how you miss the point!

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #252 on: June 07, 2010, 12:21:58 PM »
I can tell, there's no mention of an explosion.

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #253 on: June 07, 2010, 02:17:48 PM »
Local stuff for me follow up on the Flotilla raid.  http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/07/2919698.htm

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #254 on: June 11, 2010, 09:57:02 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20100611/us_time/08599199606400

Now Arizona Republicans intend to target children of illegal immigrants born in the US (legal US citizens by the Constitution) as part of their immigration cases.

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #255 on: June 11, 2010, 11:30:55 PM »
The federal/supreme courts are going to have a field day with these laws.
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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #256 on: June 12, 2010, 12:00:19 AM »
That's the most 14th Amendment-violatin' law I ever did see.
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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #257 on: June 13, 2010, 12:49:44 AM »
Yes the 14th amendment is rather clear on that. It may or may not have been INTENDED to be that way but it is undeniably written as such and is enshrined in the Supreme Law of the Land. So no dice, Arizona Republicans.

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #258 on: June 13, 2010, 01:02:21 AM »
The federal government almost certainly has valid laws that are contingent on US citizens getting state-issued birth certificates.  For a state to deny them to US citizens born within their borders is probably an unconstitutional violation of federal supremacy.  
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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #259 on: June 13, 2010, 01:05:48 AM »
Also, they're douchebags.
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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #262 on: June 15, 2010, 08:19:03 AM »
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Split-CFTC-approves-boxoffice-apf-2430440796.html?x=0

Debated where to put this, but you read it here first, folks! As if it weren't already abundantly clear, Wall Street is basically now just the gambling equivilent of betting on who will win the local children's soccer game, who will ask who to the big dance, or what color shirt the hot broad across the street will be wearing today.

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #263 on: June 15, 2010, 12:09:59 PM »
The fact that the movie theaters and studios themselves, who presumably have the most at stake in such deals, oppose the legislation tells me all I need to know. One could argue that it is a form of insurance for those groups (especially theaters who are the ones taking the risk on what the studios produce in a given year) but anyone else involved in such 'trading' is just gambling.
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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #264 on: June 22, 2010, 04:24:27 AM »
http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/21/what-counts-as-abetting-terrorists/?nl=&emc=aua1

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #265 on: June 26, 2010, 03:55:52 AM »
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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #266 on: June 27, 2010, 06:46:34 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOC8ROQwOJM&feature=player_embedded

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #267 on: July 09, 2010, 12:18:30 AM »
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/federal-judge-rules-part-of-doma-unconstitutional.php?ref=fpa

Well, this should be fun!  Federal judge declares the part of DOMA defining marriage as between a man and a woman unconstitutional, both for 10th Amendment state sovereignty reasons and 5th Amendment equal protection.

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This court has determined that it is clearly within the authority of the Commonwealth to recognize same-sex marriages among its residents, and to afford those individuals in same-sex marriages any benefits, rights, and privileges to which they are entitled by virtue of their marital status

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In the wake of DOMA, it is only sexual orientation that differentiates a married couple entitled to federal marriage-based benefits from one not so entitled. And this court can conceive of no way in which such a difference might be relevant to the provision of the benefits at issue.

By premising eligibility for these benefits on marital status in the first instance, the federal
government signals to this court that the relevant distinction to be drawn is between married individuals and unmarried individuals. To further divide the class of married individuals into those with spouses of the same sex and those with spouses of the opposite sex is to create a distinction without meaning.
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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #269 on: July 10, 2010, 12:07:09 AM »
http://www.nationalreview.com/bench-memos/230872/judge-tauro-does-doma/hadley-arkes

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Up until the early 1990s 2008, when judges started acting as engines to install same-sex marriage an individual right to bear arms, it did not seem to occur to most people that marriage the 2nd amendment meant anything other than the marriage of men and women. right for militiamen to bear arms.

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Regarding the criticism in the NR piece, the lady doth protest too much.  Gill is not the world's greatest opinion, and they're right to point out some arguments are worded too cursorily, but the important points are completely defensible.

The meat and potatoes of the opinion is that singling out same-sex couples for worse treatment is a violation of equal protection because it fails the rational basis standard of review.  That standard of review applies when any old group is singled out for treatment, be they homosexuals, felons, taxidermists, or redheads (as opposed to higher standards of review which apply when race, sex, or alienage are at issue).  Rational basis extremely deferential to congress: so long as the purpose of a law is valid and the means of a law could conceivably advance that purpose, the law is valid.  It is quite rare for a law to fail rational basis.

Congress articulated 4 purposes for the law:
1.  To promote a healthy environment for children.
2.  To promote heterosexual marriage.
3.  To show disapproval of homosexuality.
4.  To save money by not extending benefits to too many people.

According to the judge:

1 fails because there is a scientific consensus that kids are no worse off being raised by homosexuals.  this is the weakest part of the opinion, because that may not have been true when the law was passed, and congress doesn't have to choose the best method of doing something, merely one that's plausible.

2 fails because preventing people who are already in legal same-sex marriages are extremely unlikely to go out, get divorced, and remarry just to get federal benefits.

3 fails because moral disapproval is an invalid purpose for a law, ever since Lawrence v. Texas.

4 fails because the desire to save money can't by itself justify a law that singles out a group for no other valid reason.

1,2, and 4 are weak arguments by themselves, and in normal circumstances would pass rational basis review, BUT Supreme Court precedent implies (though it never comes out and says) that when congress passes a law for reasons of moral animus, judges should not defer to what other reasons congress supplies for a law.  In other words, though the arguments against 1, 2, and 4 are weak, the judge didn't have to address them in any serious way.  Lending support to the judge's decision to dispense with all 4 of those reasons without too much elaboration was the defendant: the government, which admitted that none of those were valid purposes and supplied a different reason altogether for why the law should stand: that congress really passed DOMA in order to allow states to do their own thing with marriage without disturbing the national equilibrium.  For states to be isolated laboratories of marriage law, in other words.  Well, that works as a reason why states are barred by DOMA from having to credit same-sex marriages from other states, but it bears no relationship whatsoever to the question of federal benefits for same-sex couples.  This lawsuit was about the latter rather than the former issue with DOMA, so the judge found that that argument failed rational basis because the means doesn't advance the purpose.
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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #270 on: July 10, 2010, 02:21:53 AM »
I'm more amazed that you managed to read the entire article without rolling your eyes so hard that they spin in your eye sockets exorcist style.

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #271 on: July 10, 2010, 03:18:19 AM »
I'd just like to say that I've never met this judge guy before and he has never "done" me as the scary Super link is claiming.

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #272 on: July 10, 2010, 08:14:58 AM »
http://www.nationalreview.com/bench-memos/230872/judge-tauro-does-doma/hadley-arkes

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #273 on: July 10, 2010, 06:54:34 PM »
But they do that all the time.
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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
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