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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #375 on: December 15, 2010, 03:48:30 PM »
I don't see that lasting in the legal realm. It's too vague and too, well, extreme. Something's gotta give.


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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #376 on: December 15, 2010, 04:03:23 PM »
I don't see that lasting in the legal realm. It's too vague and too, well, extreme. Something's gotta give.

I wouldn't jump to conclusions.

For instance, Germany has laws barring any blood in videogames, and barring any children being involved in violence in videogames.  I've been on several games where we had to cancel some plans because of Germany.  Of course, Germany's laws aren't vague.


But then we come to the next point: Japanese legal system.  I don't have confidence in it--I am by no means confident it will toss out laws that most first-world countries would toss out.  I may yet be pleasantly surprised, of course.

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #377 on: December 15, 2010, 08:52:59 PM »
This reminds me a lot of the Comics Code Authority back in the fifties. Out-of-touch lawmakers passing reactionary legislation specifically to neuter a medium they just don't "get." (Hey, they had to stop Batman and Robin from turning all our kids gay! Wait no they just moved to TV instead. EDIT: or do I have things backwards here? I know horror comics were big beforehand and mostly got shut down by it, could be I've got the timing flipped in my memory and the superhero resurgence actually followed it. Whatever, they're both overbearing and creatively stifling legislative decisions. Close enough for comparison). The CCA stuck around for a depressingly long time before the mainstream industry started subverting it, as I recall. Want to say 10-15 years?
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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #378 on: December 15, 2010, 09:39:26 PM »
From memory you have it mixed up.  That was partly when Super Hero comic books really flourished into prominence, previously there was a lot of pulp style comics so crime drama, cowboy stuff that the CCA kind of killed off all that sex and violence and we were left with the camp Batman and Joker pulling boners. 

Super Hero comics certainly blossomed as a medium when they dumped the CCA though.  I believe the period just after the CCA was dropped they fell out of prominence a bit, but picked back up with a vengeance of course.

The big thing you are mixing up though is that the CCA was an independent body, it wasn't the law.  It was fear that the law would crack down even harder on it though.
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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #379 on: December 15, 2010, 10:16:52 PM »
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/12/14/manning/index.html

Off topic, but this is the sort of shit that makes me homicidal.

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #380 on: December 15, 2010, 10:30:24 PM »
This reminds me a lot of the Comics Code Authority back in the fifties. Out-of-touch lawmakers passing reactionary legislation specifically to neuter a medium they just don't "get." (Hey, they had to stop Batman and Robin from turning all our kids gay! Wait no they just moved to TV instead. EDIT: or do I have things backwards here? I know horror comics were big beforehand and mostly got shut down by it, could be I've got the timing flipped in my memory and the superhero resurgence actually followed it. Whatever, they're both overbearing and creatively stifling legislative decisions. Close enough for comparison). The CCA stuck around for a depressingly long time before the mainstream industry started subverting it, as I recall. Want to say 10-15 years?

It was the horror comics that did it.  Graphic depictions of death and dismemberment, frequent beheadings of comely young women, that kind of thing.  But there's a big difference: the CCA was the industry self-censoring to tamp down public criticism.  It wasn't a law.  Also, the CCA stuck around until 2000 or so.  Marvel decided to stop even pretending it meant anything anymore because they wanted to allude to a threesome in an issue of X-Force.  Really what happened was the code was liberalized and tastes, uh, conservatized(?) so that it was more or less moot throughout the 80s and 90s.

This sort of law Tokyo has, btw, would not be remotely constitutional under 1st amendment standards because it's too vague and also too targeted (we demand pretty damn close to a 1:1 between the harm the law seeks to prevent and the speech made illegal by it).  I can't imagine it's gonna see much use in terms of enforcement.  There were already laws in Japan that would make, for example, doujins featuring underage sex illegal, they just haven't been much enforced.  The law is intended to scare the industry into self-censorship for fear of enforcement rather than create standards, of course, which is why it's so vague.  Really, it reminds me most of Texas' textbook standards (but with oddly more moralizing but also a more concrete harm they're trying to avoid).
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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #381 on: December 15, 2010, 10:39:36 PM »
Meanwhile, another interruption from the Toro, this time about England. At least this kid hasn't been tossed in a max 24-hour security gig, but hey, maybe someday! Gotta dream big!

http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2010/12/15/jody-mcintyre-who%E2%80%99s-apathetic-now/

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #382 on: December 16, 2010, 01:30:57 AM »
http://www.gameinformer.com/blogs/members/b/sakabato24_blog/archive/2010/12/14/is-it-the-end-of-anime-and-manga-bill-156-passed.aspx

Tokyo bans anime and manga.  Well...technically not all anime and manga, but anything containing illegal activities (so no pirates, for instance) and anything containing "sexual acts which violate societal norms" which sure sounds like it would apply to gay relationships.  And publishers are apparently already reacting by telling authors they won't publish stuff set in schools or featuring school uniforms--this includes reprints of manga they have previously published.

WTF

They haven't banned the anime itself. They've banned the SALE of it in mass-market stores. Which is the next thing to banning it completely as publishers and creators lose out on that income. If they DO want to put it in those stores, stuff that violates the ban must be put in the Adults section, which again, might as well be banning it.

This does not ban hentai, ironically, as it is already marketed as an adult product and sold in adult-only stores/sections of stores. It dooms Comiket, apparantly, as it affects doujins as well. They might try to hold it outside of Tokyo, but the problem there is there are no venues large enough to hold it.

Yaoi and homosexuality is certainly a targeted genre here. The illegal activity thing is, as been stated, vague. I don't think Japan as a whole would take too kindly to One Piece being nigh impossible to buy, and I haven't heard anything about it being affected. That whole part of it is more to address rape in anime/manga/doujin being sold in say, Kinokuniya. Straight to the adult section with those now. And yes, many of those were not sold as adult material before.

Since everything is "voluntary" at this point, it's all up to the publishers to clean up their act. The law itself is basically the government going, "you KNOW what's not acceptable, and if you don't clean it up, we're going to have to do this the way nobody wants to"

From what I've seen, when it comes down to it, it's a good thing being done in a terrible way. I'm not lamenting the end of the era KissxSis could be shown on TV.

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #383 on: December 16, 2010, 10:46:17 PM »
I'm just wondering what happens if some wiseass declares, "hey, assault is illegal!"
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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #384 on: December 17, 2010, 06:11:39 AM »
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/12/14/manning/index.html

Off topic, but this is the sort of shit that makes me homicidal.

You're reading Glen Greenwald.  Read with several salt shakers ready to go.

More seriously, while I am very much in favor of better prison conditions in the US and do not think cruel treatment of prisoners achieves much, I can say non-sarcastically that if there is anyone who stands a decent chance of being charged with treason out there, Manning is it.  Pretty much espionage for... everyone who doesn't like the US.  Hard to call leaking every single document "whistleblowing," really.  If we assume that Manning is convicted, I can't imagine he'd be getting a "nice" prison anyway.  Let him rot.

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #385 on: December 18, 2010, 09:18:11 PM »
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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #386 on: December 19, 2010, 12:35:30 AM »
It took 2 years into the Obama presidency, but it got done. That should satisfy at least some folks on the Left who have been wanting this for a long time.

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #387 on: December 19, 2010, 01:25:59 AM »
Yeah, Do Ask Do Tell. At least the speeches during the legislature acknowledged the sluggish-nish in action. Mm. Congrats to those who needed it. Wanted it. Patriot rhetoric was interesting anyway. I love socially-detached rhetoric.

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #388 on: December 20, 2010, 08:23:34 PM »

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #389 on: December 24, 2010, 04:39:20 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/us/politics/19cong.html?_r=1&hp

Senate repeals Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

Wait, wait...the US Senate actually did something positive for gays?  Really?

Next you'll be telling me that they'll pass Employment Nondiscrimination, so that you can't be fired for being LGBT.  Oh, wait, no--that bill's been shelved since roughly 2009 -_-'

Still, though--they actually managed to take a pro-gay action, instead of waiting for the supreme court a la Lawrence v. Texas.  Progress!

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Re: Politics '11: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #392 on: January 15, 2011, 01:59:43 AM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/15/us/politics/15repubs.html?hp

Michael Steele loses bid for re-election as RNC chair.  Squabbles between potential replacements leads to the surprise victory of dark horse candidate Harry Reid of Nevada.

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« Reply #393 on: January 15, 2011, 06:33:10 PM »


Michael Steele loses bid for re-election as RNC chair.  Squabbles between potential replacements leads to the surprise victory of dark horse candidate Harry Reid of Nevada.

...Harry Reid?  The Democrat senate majority leader?  I'm confused.

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« Reply #394 on: January 15, 2011, 10:24:16 PM »
A joke!  Harry Reid is probably the only person worse-suited to Steele's job than Steele was.
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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #395 on: January 16, 2011, 07:50:11 AM »
Also the title of this thread in 2009 was "fire Reid and Steele," reflecting super's lack of understanding of the true genius of the Man from Searchlight.

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #396 on: February 02, 2011, 05:25:14 AM »
http://colorlessrevolution.blogspot.com/

Thoughts from a Ph.D student who was in Cairo until very recently on the Egyptian situation, threw up the blog to collect his thoughts.  (I know the writer.)  Pretty interesting; Andrew Sullivan even linked directly to it. 

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #397 on: February 04, 2011, 11:02:31 PM »
Interesting read. I was reading an article on this in the UK's "Independent" (I don't usually buy papers but the headline about the sky being full of rocks and people smelling the blood/blood pouring down people's faces really stood out >.>) and there was a bit stating how a member of personnel was sitting in the midst of rocks going one way and rocks going the other when he suddenly got up, ran to the opposition and with tears streaming down his face tried to hug them. It made me baw.
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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #398 on: February 05, 2011, 07:48:44 PM »
Well, the bits about the lack violence were written on January 31.  The violence only flared on February 2-3, and I for one have no problem at all believing that these were hired thugs from the government out to create disorder and thus discredit the protesters / show that there needs to be "stability."

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Re: Politics '10: Keeping up with the Xornses.
« Reply #399 on: February 05, 2011, 11:50:02 PM »
Civil unrest lends itself towards violence.  Even if the origin of the protest is non-violent, the very nature of people themselves will start it.  Either by abuse of power, government agents deliberately creating chaos amongst the sedition or just plain opportunists looking to create chaos from which to profit.

That is one of the basic things with Bolshevism.  There is going to be no change without violence, so they pushed to have the violence happen as soon as possible to cause rapid change.  In the face of the inevitable they embraced it and so on.
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