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Re: Politics '11: Keeping up with the Xornses
« Reply #450 on: April 07, 2011, 08:25:12 PM »
Yeah, that's what I meant, I would not use that site for trying to make an objective point, but seriously uterus.

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Re: Politics '11: Keeping up with the Xornses
« Reply #451 on: April 07, 2011, 11:11:51 PM »
Haven't seen much discussion on the impending government shutdown or the Republican budget plan for future fiscal years.

I'm not particularly happy about the shutdown, but I have to ultimately lay blame for it at the Republican side's feet. The Republican base is more enthusiastic about a shutdown (many WANT to see it happen). Also there has been discussion that the only thing preventing a deal are things like the planned parenthood and EPA 'riders' that accomplish Republican non-budget agenda items. So the crux of it comes down to the party not passing a budget because they specifically want to use the budget as a vehicle for policy manipulation. While this is a valid political tactic, it does leave the results of failure in their hands. I also tend to disagree with the idea that somehow cutting more from the budget will make our economy improve, as 'confidence' will not magically make the economy take off and people losing their jobs due to cut spending DEFINITELY won't.

The concern with this year's deficit in general is perplexing to me. This fiscal year's deficit will have little impact on the economy (and uh the higher it is the better it is for jobs and such). The deficit issue is a long-term problem that is ultimately grounded in healthcare and entitlements and so on. Such focus on cutting half a year's budget is purely political and symbolic (although the effects of such cuts ARE real and noticeable).

The long-term Republican plan for the deficit is... Eliminate Medicare/Medicaid (oh and tax cuts because the conservative theory of tax cuts = more revenue will never die no matter how long it is bashed for). But Medicare will only be kaput for those below the age of 55, who instead will be given government subsidies to buy private health insurance from approved private health insurance providers. Everyone above the age of 55 will see Medicare continue until the day they die. The subsidies of course will be vastly inferior to Medicare... the government wouldn't be saving a lot of money if it did. This strikes me as a pretty obnoxious "appease the older voters" approach. So much for shared sacrifice.

Wait a second... "who instead be given government subsidies to buy private health insurance from approved private health insurance providers"
Haven't we... heard this before? It sounds awfully familiar. OH YEAH! OBAMACARE. You know, the thing the Right side of this country has been vilifying for the past year as the worst thing since Adolf motherfucking Hitler? And their "Path to Prosperity" is to more or less mimic satan's own plan for our healthcare for people above the age of 65. I'm not even sure what to say. The cognitive dissonance required to pull this off is nothing short of stupendous.

The "Path to Prosperity" would probably save the government a lot of money (think trillions, actually reducing our deficit very significantly). But only after 2020 or so when Medicare is finally ended. Before that the tax cuts would make the deficit LARGER than if things continued on as they are.

Other things are cut too, like Pell Grants and so on and so forth. And no talk of cutting the military budget of course, as per usual. If the deficit is an existential threat shouldn't this be on the table too?

(in case you can't read between the lines here, the Republican plan for reducing the deficit would place the responsibility HEAVILY upon younger and poorer constituencies. Less education, less healthcare, and so on. And it would *cut taxes* for folks that would suffer the least. I'm really not sure whether to laugh or cry)

No counter-offer from the democratic party yet. Of course if the Republicans take the deficit too seriously (or rather, use it as an excuse to push a conservative agenda) then the democrats don't take it seriously enough. We'll see how this all plays out in NEXT year's budget showdown. Joy.
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Re: Politics '11: Keeping up with the Xornses
« Reply #452 on: April 07, 2011, 11:53:43 PM »
Hey, uterus you, man.
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Re: Politics '11: Keeping up with the Xornses
« Reply #453 on: April 08, 2011, 08:31:12 AM »
Haven't seen much discussion on the impending government shutdown or the Republican budget plan for future fiscal years.

I personally like to partake in liberal fury in non-DL sites!

That said, when I first heard Republicans were actually going to focus on Medicare, I thought it might be good (Medicare is a nice idea, but absurdly unbalanced. I think of average, people get $300,000 out of Medicare, but only put in $100,000. And that may be $300,000 average may include those who don't even live long enough to see Medicare, making the balance even worse)... But holy shit, what they instead proposed is grandfathering all the current users, stripping the system, and still forcing people who will see a different system to pay for the more expensive system now. Best way I've heard it put was that if the new proposed system was so great, why are we waiting 10 years to implement it? And yes, it's takes absurd cognitive dissidence. Also, pain to anyone who believes that trickle down is a good theory in reality.
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Re: Politics '11: Keeping up with the Xornses
« Reply #455 on: April 13, 2011, 01:43:57 AM »
A party debate is going on in Canada today because of the election on May 2nd. I have nothing to really substantiate this belief, but Stephen Harper (the current prime minister) just begs to be punched in the face at all times with his smugness. I don't really know much about Canadian politics, but almost everyone I know hates Stephen Harper. >_>;;
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Re: Politics '11: Keeping up with the Xornses
« Reply #456 on: April 13, 2011, 03:08:26 PM »
A party debate is going on in Canada today because of the election on May 2nd. I have nothing to really substantiate this belief, but Stephen Harper (the current prime minister) just begs to be punched in the face at all times with his smugness. I don't really know much about Canadian politics, but almost everyone I know hates Stephen Harper. >_>;;

It's interesting; people seemed to have pretty positive vibes on people about him during the last election, but plenty of stuff has happened since then.

I really need to catch up on my Canadian politics so that I can make an informed vote, though.  Needless to say, there hasn't been much news coverage of the Canadian election in Georgia.

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Re: Politics '11: Keeping up with the Xornses
« Reply #457 on: April 13, 2011, 04:27:14 PM »
I think it's his seemingly rallying up partisan politics and his awful environmental stance (I talk to a lot of oceanography grad students). Again, this goes with the disclaimer that because I can't vote I don't pay quite as much attention.
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Re: Politics '11: Keeping up with the Xornses
« Reply #458 on: April 13, 2011, 11:50:01 PM »
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/education/ct-met-school-lunch-restrictions-041120110410,0,2614451,full.story

Couldn't think of a place to post it, so here it goes.

*Eyeroll* with some profanity on the side sums up my opinion of the adminstration here. Way to sound like patronizing dicks *and* economically punish families, whee.
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Re: Politics '11: Keeping up with the Xornses
« Reply #459 on: April 13, 2011, 11:54:27 PM »
*Eyeroll* with some profanity on the side sums up my opinion of the adminstration here. Way to sound like patronizing dicks *and* economically punish families, whee.
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Re: Politics '11: Keeping up with the Xornses
« Reply #460 on: April 14, 2011, 12:48:29 AM »
I don't have a problem with a school preventing students from drinking soda on the premises, as long as they have plenty of good water fountains and so on and so forth. But that's because I think soda is basically poison. Sugary, tasty poison. Shit may be worse for us than Pot.

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« Reply #461 on: April 14, 2011, 12:54:49 AM »
The real problem here is that school lunches don't tend to be very good food nutritionally.  Parents who would prepare better food for their kids aren't going to be able to do so.  And that's a big problem.

School lunches often turn out to be a cost-cutting boondoggle at the expense of kids, too.  Don't know if Chicago is that way, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it were.
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Re: Politics '11: Keeping up with the Xornses
« Reply #462 on: April 14, 2011, 01:14:36 PM »
I don't have a problem with a school preventing students from drinking soda on the premises, as long as they have plenty of good water fountains and so on and so forth. But that's because I think soda is basically poison. Sugary, tasty poison. Shit may be worse for us than Pot.

They're preventing students from bringing *any* kind of lunch. You can ban sodas (I don't remember ever seeing soda in schooll till HS) but telling parents that you can't pack kids a lunch for their own good reeks of just so much shit.
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Re: Politics '11: Keeping up with the Xornses
« Reply #463 on: April 14, 2011, 02:02:19 PM »
School lunches often turn out to be a cost-cutting boondoggle at the expense of kids, too.  Don't know if Chicago is that way, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it were.

Oh, it's better than that - the district gets an allowance from the state for each lunch they serve, and pay a portion of that back to the food-services company that actually makes and serves the meals. So the more kids eat a school lunch, the bigger the profit.
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Re: Politics '11: Keeping up with the Xornses
« Reply #464 on: April 15, 2011, 09:32:24 AM »
Sugary, tasty poison. Shit is worse for us than Pot.

FTFY.

Also, kind of related, not really politicy but goes to show just how ludicrous the mandatory school lunch thing is. http://www.accesshollywood.com/jamie-oliver-battles-la-school-officials-over-bringing-food-revolution-on-campus_article_43310

Celebrity chef uses his celebrity to go into schools and show how terrible school lunches actually are.  LA outright bans him from entering the schools to show what's being served.  LAUSD's response kind of makes sense, but is still pretty ludicrous when you think about it.  "Yeah, he's welcome to join our menu committee, sure.  But we won't play to a reality show.  Because there are a lot of people who pay attention to that shit."

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Re: Politics '11: Keeping up with the Xornses
« Reply #465 on: April 16, 2011, 01:35:35 AM »
Man, what. I thought most of the point of school lunches was to have decent healthy options, especially for kids whose parents are too rushed to provide them (since then the other options are the kids getting fast food or packaged food, both of which tend to be awful). Them being unhealthy is just embarrassing.

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Re: Politics '11: Keeping up with the Xornses
« Reply #467 on: April 25, 2011, 05:48:41 AM »
Given that absurd property tax system, it sounds like they may not have ever had a truly functioning budget!
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Re: Politics '11: Keeping up with the Xornses
« Reply #468 on: April 30, 2011, 03:48:44 AM »
so apparently some Things are happening up north.  I love the title of this piece, elegant in its simplicity.

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« Reply #469 on: April 30, 2011, 08:07:53 AM »
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Yes, Hollywood is so fake that in real life, Jack Bauer is really a Canadian socialist.

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Re: Politics '11: Keeping up with the Xornses
« Reply #470 on: April 30, 2011, 05:18:00 PM »
Wow.

Here I ended up not going through the process of getting an absentee ballot, and now I'm thinking "wow the election sounds so awesome, if only I was voting".  I think living in the states too long has given me a "nothing changes from elections anyway" cynicism.

Either way, the NDP toppling the Bloq is like...the best thing ever.  Best party ursurps worst party.

I mean, it makes sense: the conservatives are pretty devoid of French types, the Liberals made huge blunders in Quebec, and the Bloq and NDP are both left wing.  It always confused me that the NDP had no presence in Quebec.

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« Reply #471 on: April 30, 2011, 05:50:30 PM »
I wanna vote too! Of course, I would just throw my vote away to the Greens anyway, but whatever~
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« Reply #472 on: May 01, 2011, 02:08:40 AM »
I wasn't a fan of Green when I last lived in Canada, but I hear they're much improved (not a one-issue party anymore).

In the mean time, America finds a way to fail harder:

http://www.latimes.com/business/sc-dc-0428-court-class-action-web-20110427,0,1239412.story

No more class action lawsuits!  (Brought to you by a 5-4 split along party lines).

wtf?  Seriously, wtf?

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« Reply #473 on: May 01, 2011, 02:09:50 AM »
Hahaha oh gods that is just fucked.
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« Reply #474 on: May 01, 2011, 02:27:31 AM »
Hahaha oh gods that is just fucked.
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