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Re: Let's Play Some Motherf*$&ing Games: 2010!!!!!!
« Reply #1225 on: March 13, 2010, 07:07:35 PM »
FE8- Beat it again. Fourth playthrough complete~ Tana is hax.
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« Reply #1226 on: March 13, 2010, 07:52:57 PM »
Everyone is hax in FE8. I almost don't enjoy the second half of the game, it feels kind of like being a schoolyard bully.

FF13: I remember mission 16 well, couldn't do it without a full complement of smokes when I got it, and even then it was a scramble; the big summoner frogs have just enough durability and the little ones have just enough offense to make your life miserable.

I suspect it's doable straight, though, with something like maybe Hope/Snow/Fang, syn/sent/sent -> med/sent/sab -> rav/sent/com <-> med/rav/com until you get it under control, though you definitely wouldn't be able to five star it that way.

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« Reply #1227 on: March 13, 2010, 10:16:25 PM »
FF13:  Pretty sure I got to a spot that allows me to enter the final stages of FFXIII.  I turned around so that I can do the missions.  Might need to pick up the guide book because there are a fuckton of them and I get lost a lot.  I also ended up with mission 52 or something like that and proceeded to get OHKOed while in Sent mode.

I've done like... 20 of them, but a lot were plot missions.

FE8: JAD has it about right... that's the easiest FE by a good margin.  I'm actually kind of curious to play the game on the East setting someday to see exactly how silly it becomes.

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« Reply #1228 on: March 13, 2010, 10:34:39 PM »
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« Reply #1229 on: March 13, 2010, 10:42:26 PM »
Alright. This might be the best place to ask on playing imported PS2 games?

Should I go through the trouble of trying to emulate via laptop? I've got the older fliptop slims that work with Swap Magic, so I was considering finding that online somewhere since it's not the sort of thing you can easily borrow from someone, but if other mod techniques are easier/cheaper and still reliable and safe my ears are open.
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« Reply #1230 on: March 13, 2010, 10:57:13 PM »
Swap Magic is extremely easy to use and pretty cheap - just get a youtube video to walk you through the process of blocking the sensors so your PS2 can't tell when the lid is open, and you're set. There's also a program you can install to your memory card that lets you play specially burned games, but it doesn't work with retail discs, from any country. I don't know if that's important to you.
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« Reply #1231 on: March 13, 2010, 11:02:52 PM »
Swap Magic is extremely easy to use and pretty cheap - just get a youtube video to walk you through the process of blocking the sensors so your PS2 can't tell when the lid is open, and you're set. There's also a program you can install to your memory card that lets you play specially burned games, but it doesn't work with retail discs, from any country. I don't know if that's important to you.

Mine's one of the ones that you can pop the lid open and close it and keep playing, if that makes a difference.

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« Reply #1232 on: March 13, 2010, 11:06:14 PM »
I'm actually not familiar with that variant. The test I'm used to for whether the PS2 is sufficiently messed-with is to see if the laser stays in the center of the drive tray when you open the top with no disc loaded. If it doesn't move, the system can't tell that you've opened the lid.
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« Reply #1233 on: March 13, 2010, 11:07:25 PM »
I'm actually not familiar with that variant. The test I'm used to for whether the PS2 is sufficiently messed-with is to see if the laser stays in the center of the drive tray when you open the top with no disc loaded. If it doesn't move, the system can't tell that you've opened the lid.

I'll uh... try to check this without melting my eyes then!
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« Reply #1234 on: March 13, 2010, 11:08:27 PM »
Just don't put your eye directly above the lens and you should remain safely unmelted.
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« Reply #1235 on: March 14, 2010, 12:12:44 AM »
Fang's VA is apparently the American child of two Australian parents, or something. Vanille's VA is apparently someone who has taken blunt force trauma to the head.

That would do it, her accent is to broad for a local, but has grown up around it so kind of speaks like that.  And yeah just .. yeah.  I have no idea what is happening with Vanille.
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« Reply #1236 on: March 14, 2010, 01:04:28 AM »
Fang's VA is apparently the American child of two Australian parents, or something. Vanille's VA is apparently someone who has taken blunt force trauma to the head.

That would do it, her accent is to broad for a local, but has grown up around it so kind of speaks like that.  And yeah just .. yeah.  I have no idea what is happening with Vanille.

Vanille's accent gets better later on.  Either that or I just got used to it and started ignoring it.  Me, my brother, and my roommate all noticed her ridiculous changing accent at different times early on.  Haven't noticed it lately.  (She still giggles too much.)

Just completely Mission 16.  I might be a higher level than Rozalia because I didn't find the fight difficult...  I just walked up behind them for preemptive.  Com/Rav/Com AOEd the 4 little garbage guys and then just switch to Rav/Med/Com and FFed the others one at a time.  I doubled back though in the game though so I probably should have fought these guys a little bit ago.  (A later boss gives 100k xp, which is naturally nice for leveling.)

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« Reply #1237 on: March 14, 2010, 06:23:20 AM »
A word of advice on FF13: Do missions in post game, where the grids are filly unlocked. Don't dream about beating some of the high rank mission without it. Also, abuse Vanille to grind on the Admantite Tutrle. They have high SP and drop important item for weapon upgrade.

The Vanille abuse involving knocking the turtle down with her summon at the start of the battle and spam ID. It works really well, especially in post game.

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« Reply #1238 on: March 14, 2010, 06:33:50 AM »
SRW Alpha 2: Was gonna have to wait until I bought Swap Magic, or I can skip the 'buying crazy discs to fool my PS2' nonsense and just play it on my laptop.

...still probably gonna buy Swap Magic anyways just because it runs like ass on my laptop, but hey, first Zengar level was cool - Zankantou debut was snazzy, though supers are definitely a bit frail feeling here.
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« Reply #1239 on: March 14, 2010, 08:49:42 AM »
A word of advice on FF13: Do missions in post game, where the grids are filly unlocked. Don't dream about beating some of the high rank mission without it. Also, abuse Vanille to grind on the Admantite Tutrle. They have high SP and drop important item for weapon upgrade.

The Vanille abuse involving knocking the turtle down with her summon at the start of the battle and spam ID. It works really well, especially in post game.

I took that as a challenge to beat them all!  Although... based on how ridiculously hard 53 was to beat... I doubt I'll be able to beat all of them.

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Re: Let's Play Some Motherf*$&ing Games: 2010!!!!!!
« Reply #1240 on: March 14, 2010, 08:52:22 AM »
A word of advice on FF13: Do missions in post game, where the grids are filly unlocked. Don't dream about beating some of the high rank mission without it. Also, abuse Vanille to grind on the Admantite Tutrle. They have high SP and drop important item for weapon upgrade.

The Vanille abuse involving knocking the turtle down with her summon at the start of the battle and spam ID. It works really well, especially in post game.

I _believe_ all the missions except 64 have been shown to be doable in chapter 11, although luck, patience, and grinding for equipment is necessary for the really brutal ones (51, 55, 62)... Many of the mid-range missions, though tough, are pretty plausible even for sane people.

Instant death on the adamans works, but it's hardly the most efficient way to kill them, particularly in the aftergame when you've got enough damage even at relatively low levels to take them down with a summon plus full-bore offense. Personally, I've never gotten their rare drop, though that might just be bad luck. Platinum ingots (their common) are worth it, anyways, plus the xp.

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« Reply #1241 on: March 14, 2010, 12:30:39 PM »
Done through mission 38.  Also done a few Titan missions (cleared once, 5 to go...) and a few of those 8 missions in the main area.  The tougher ones still to come though.  Nobody has finished the grids I have open though so my people still have room to get stronger.  I can also almost afford a Trapehezordisdjoosdaj and get myself a better weapon.

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« Reply #1242 on: March 14, 2010, 12:59:13 PM »
FF13 - Finished Chapter 4, had lots of ranting in chat about it already, so I will cut it short.  THe combat system is still boring me.  Lightning is a bitch who can't make up her fucking mind Sazh is still the only likable character.  Snow is stupid, but no one like goes out of their way to tell him shit (Not Lightning at the start, not Fang and Cid now, they are just being mysterious and implying shit without telling a clearly stupid person the obvious thing that they need to be told).  Vanille has no character yet other than obvious paper thin mystery.  Hope is emo because the universe has laid in the boot so OBVIOUSLY this justifies everyone to lay in the boot wherever possible. 

Boring plot and bad gameplay that I just don't see ever resolving to something good (and with this many hours put into it the game can't honestly be redeemed to the point that it is worth recomending at the current price and it certainly isn't a reason to buy a console).

There is some things that I can see enjoying, but this is very not for me.  I can see where they are trying a lot of things.  It is like they have tried to streamline your standard JRPG.  It is similar to what they did in Mass Effect 2.  But you know how I have said Mass Effect 2 is one of the best games I have played in years and it manages to streamline all of the worst parts of Mass Effect 1 out?  Well FF13 failed.  It degenerated to mashing X or even worse tedious menu hopping than your normal JRPG interface has. 

And the autobattle AI?  Yeah it isn't picking good moves so far.  That is the thing that really could have carried this gameplay.  It just happens to fast and spammy to give you tactical control, but to slow it down just makes it horrible and tedious dragging fights out forever.  It is the failure of a battle system that works best with a lot of fast inputs in a very short timeframe followed by waiting for more animation to happen.  There are things I can think of that might fix it, but it isn't worth the time to type them out (Unless anyone is interested in specifics).
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« Reply #1243 on: March 14, 2010, 01:27:19 PM »
I'd argue about FF13 some but I find this stands out a lot more than anything you said about it.

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But you know how I have said Mass Effect 2 is one of the best games I have played in years and it manages to streamline all of the worst parts of Mass Effect 1 out?

What the fuck, man?

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« Reply #1244 on: March 14, 2010, 01:34:21 PM »
Errr what exactly is the problem there?  Mass Effect 2 is something that I consider really good.  It cuts a lot of the bullshit out.  No Mako, the planetary exploration feels at least useful and you can quickly identify which planets you want to look for.  The combat is fun and actually works better as an action game than Mass Effect 1 did.  Inventory being gone is a good thing for the game.  I am confused as to what is what.  I consider Mass Effect 2 a great game, it is something they worked really hard on and it is an amazing example of progression in a sequel, the jump from ME1 to 2 is way bigger than from BG1 to BG2. 

Final Fantasy 13 is nothing like that at all.  It isn't engaging and for every point it moves on from FF12 it brings its own problems.  There just is very little there for me.
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« Reply #1245 on: March 14, 2010, 08:04:55 PM »
They ditched the inventory?  I can't believe I'm saying this about an RPG, but thank god.  At least in KotOR, while the menus were terrible and the equipment mostly ignorable, you could improve your characters quite a bit by bothering to slog through the system.  The vibe I get from ME is that you can't ignore the equipment at all but the bonuses you get from changing equipment amount to little more than "you go back to dying as quickly as you were in the last area."  Which I guess is what equipment normally does, but the menus are so terribly disorganized that that's stupid.

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« Reply #1246 on: March 14, 2010, 11:18:20 PM »
I beat Raze's path on Mana Khemia 2. Overall, I think Ulrika's path is the more interesting of the two because the plot is a little more spread out and Ulrika is just more likeable than Raze. Additionally, aside from some of the Lily/Whim and Et scenes the character interaction wasn't as entertaining.  I do like Raze's workshop music more though.

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Raze: Generally solid, he had lots of hp and was a ST damage dealer throughout.

Lily: I'm kind of curious for whether she's going to be ranked as Lily or Whim when/if we rank MK2 because Whim is the one doing all the fighting but they give Lily the battle  portraits. For this playthrough I gave her Chloe's old accessories and she was the magic smasher again. Her magic wasn't as good, but she made up for it with better mp regen and Frozen Cannon which was good for killing off weaker groups of randoms. Probably the MVP.

Et: Et Circle Waltz is really good and I set it up for bosses and tried to keep it up throughout. She's the best character in the game at setting up time spheres. Also, her character quest class is rediculous. Starting the battle with 50% unite meant that a Lily MT spell followed by a Yun support attack would fill it up all the way.

Yun: Like Pepperoni he kind of sucked until he got his last support attack upgrade. Then he was okay because it also delayed the enemies turn. His fire bomb attack came in handy a few times but unfortunately he only had the mp to use it once before switching out.

Puniyo: A solid backup spellcaster to Lily. I think she ended up with more Magic than Lily, but Lily still had her beat for mp regen. I gave her an accessory with Heaven's Rebel and a light boosting property and it worked alright. Her double casting skill was really nice for bosses, but it's a late pickup and it's overkill for randoms. It helped me smash my old damage record, though.  I think my old record was around 13000 and I did over 20000 against some wanted poster boss who came with two allies. Her one big issue was durability. 

It's interesting to see how the two parties compare with one another. Raze's group is definately more blitz oriented and has lots of timesphere skills and MT suppport attacks. Ulrika's group ends up with more status effects and support options and is generally more well balanced. I played a bit of the aftergame and it looks like my party is going to be Raze for durability and timespheres, Et for the unite guage boost and time sphere abilities, Lily and Chloe for magic smashing, Pepperoni for his support attack and durability, and Ulrika for all around suppport. I fought the wanted boss at Windy Field and completely crushed him once he became vulnerable to magic.

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« Reply #1247 on: March 14, 2010, 11:45:07 PM »
ToV- FInished.  The final few dungeons restored my somewhat negative opinion of the game going into the final arc, they had decent design, most of the boss fights were at least sort of challenging and they were pretty. Final boss was a curbstomped joke, I don't think he would have killed Yuri even once if I had bothered at all to heal instead of just spamming Azure Edge.


It's a pretty, largely polished game. Combat flows smoothly, the world map isn't glitchy like TotA's and the translation/VA is spot on. It's what you expect for a flagship RPG for the 360. The dungeons are varied- I don't think you get any real repeats like TotA, and they're for the most part enjoyable. The most part.

PC cast was generally outstanding. No complaints here. Flynn had good characteriazation in spite of not having nearly as much screentime as a PC. The whole 'we'll fix things in our own way, in our own paths' that Yuri and Flynn did isn't new to RPGs, but they A: succeeded on pretty much every front. B: Worked together and fed off each other. C: Cleaned up after each other's messes so it wasn't one sided. D: Didn't kill each other or hate each other in the process. The question about the good or evil of the empire was resolved in a fashion I liked- there was corruption and good mixed in. It worked as a major early theme, and the resolution of it late was neat. Granted, that resolution required a bloody purge.

Yuri is excellent and likable as a main from beginning to end (mostly), but Luke is probably the better character? They are such polar opposites in both style and substance. Entire cast is good. The plot... it varies. The basic beginning is generic enough, but it works. Just exploring the world and chasing after people's an RPG staple for a reason; because it works well, as does the questions posed about the empire. Then the plot gets serious, loser A shows up and has his evil moment in spite of zero camera time and acts like an incredible wanker. Loser B is around far more screentime wise, but fails beyond belief, not that you need a hint. Hearing a line of his VA and his 'interaction's with people is insufferable. "I have turned my back on humans." It gets worse every time he speaks.  Almost no one besides your PC crew and to a lesser extent Flynn get any real camera time, and they all suffer tremendously from it. Ioder is a Ion remix, but you can't tell since he is gone for the vast majority of the game. Same goes for the non Don guild leaders.

The boss of the Baction ruins and the stuff surrounding that. Blah. Raven's betrayal wasn't surprising, but it was botched very badly.It was literally night and day. He probably should've died in the ruins.

Spoiler stuff again, this time for Yuri. His killing Ragou? That was a good scene. He and Flynn pretty much went over their options beforehand, what they could legally do and what they couldn't do. He made a rational, cold blooded choice to kill Ragou. I can live with this. The scene where he killed Cumore bothered the living hell out of me. It cheapened Ragou's death and was just horrible. He kills Cumore for being scummy, yes. He just decides to do it in the middle of the night instead of making him face justice, which Ragou did. He also fucked up in the sense that Cumore would've ratted on Alexai and would have blown up that entire scheme before he could've summoned that giant whatever the fuck it was. What makes it worse is that by and large the party just shrugs off Yuri executing someone and moves on as if nothing happened. What the hell? The game does eventually beat Yuri with the stupid of his choice and the way he did it later on. Phaeros repeats his line and his defense of his actions at Yuri word for word when he talks about killing Estelle, which Yuri of course rejects. The game does eventually redeem Yuri in that regard, but the scene annoyed the hell out of me when it happened. Oh well.

Combat is Tales; I liked it for what it was. If you don't like TotA's stuff, you won't like ToV. Mostly controlled Yuri.

Some bad: Puzzles. For the most part the game is fine here. You get one fairly annoying puzzle early on in Rita's first dungeon, then nothing for ages, then you get three or four areas in row with *nasty* puzzles that require a lot of time or sitting in front of it with an FAQ. Some of those have monsters intertwined that regenerate, so if you take too long in solving it you have to dodge fights or blow all your holy bottles on it. Also, taking away your healer for as long as they did? Fuck you, ToV. That's a dick move of the highest order. Mercifully the puzzles stop when you get said person back.

The villian cast could honestly rival your average XS game for terrible. I don't think I have a positive word to say about any of them. The obnoxious loli minions aren't even close to the biggest failures there, and that's a bad sign.



The game was a ton of fun overall. It's a shame it lags so much around the two thirds mark. Probably an 8/10 game. Could go up to 9/10 depending on my final thoughts on it.


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« Reply #1248 on: March 15, 2010, 12:00:08 AM »
ME:  So, not wanting to spend a couple hours finding out which planet I need to go to myself, I FAQ'd it and arrived on Therim.  Got up to the point where you leave the Mako and start fighting the Geth on foot.  After 5 tries, I rage quit.  Sniper Rifles (or whatever the beam of light that keeps OHKOing me is) are BS and I kinda wish I had built Ashley towards them instead of Shotguns so I'd be able to counter it.  I guess it's not too late to do so but it certainly won't help me finish this planet yet.  Bleh. 

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« Reply #1249 on: March 15, 2010, 12:04:28 AM »
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Just completely Mission 16.  I might be a higher level than Rozalia because I didn't find the fight difficult...
Must have been yeah. I used the same set up an just couldn't take out the summoner guys fast enough.

FF13 - Now back in cocoon, finished 28 missions. Proudclad gave me a gameover when he unleashed his big move together with the beam spam at hope. Hope being the guy with the least HP went splat.
I am wondering how the boss (How do you spoiler tag?) is alive though. Wasn't he killed off? I mean the scenes so dramatic and he gets shot up and then he appears like nothing happened. Plot hole?