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Invading the contient of champions #2: Sora
« on: February 07, 2010, 10:40:35 PM »
I really, really should have started with him. Kingdom Hearts doesn't have a big surge of players in the near future like MK2 does, and he's pretty popular to speculate about. But I forgot about the poor kid when I came up with this idea, so sue me.

Sora vs. Kuja
Sora vs. Sephiroth
Sora vs. Fou-Lu
Sora vs. Ghaleon
Sora vs. Orlandu
Sora vs. Ash Lambert
Sora vs. Albedo
Sora vs. Melfice
Sora vs. Myria
Sora vs. Ryu3
Sora vs. Ryu4
Sora vs. Yuna
Sora vs. Piastol
Sora vs. Kefka
Sora vs. Zophar
Sora vs. Luca Blight
Sora vs. Yuri Hyuga
Sora vs. Profound Darkness
Sora vs. Jade
Sora vs. Emelious
Sora vs. Jenna Angel
Sora vs. Lady
Sora vs. Empyrea
Sora vs. Cloud of Darkness
Sora vs. Heat
Sora vs. False Althena
Sora vs. Isolde

Closes this coming Saturday.

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Re: Invading the contient of champions #2: Sora
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2010, 11:52:20 PM »
Sora vs. Kuja: Kuja can't do this, I think.
Sora vs. Sephiroth: Some status.
Sora vs. Fou-Lu: I guess Fou didn't have status and can't penetrate the everlasting healing.
Sora vs. Ghaleon: Instant Death? Also double-acting.
Sora vs. Orlandu: Um. Walls status + breaks gear + doubles through the healing?
Sora vs. Ash Lambert: Stop.
Sora vs. Albedo
Sora vs. Melfice: Speed gets around the healing, evade gets around the damage.
Sora vs. Myria: Status.
Sora vs. Ryu3: Bends him over and fucks him 8 ways from sunday.
Sora vs. Ryu4: I don't think Ryu4 can do this without EX turns or anything like that.
Sora vs. Yuna: ID or doubles or WHATEVER.
Sora vs. Piastol
Sora vs. Kefka: Doubles or something.
Sora vs. Zophar: Status ball.
Sora vs. Luca Blight: Aero, stuff?
Sora vs. Yuri Hyuga: Aero, stuff.
Sora vs. Profound Darkness: No way past the healing.
Sora vs. Jade: ID?
Sora vs. Emelious: See Melfice
Sora vs. Jenna Angel: Don't think she has a way around the healing? Wait, Orbs.
Sora vs. Lady: Multi-hitting deathspam. Well, that didn't bypass Second Chance though did it? Hmm.
Sora vs. Empyrea: Double-acting
Sora vs. False Althena: Could block Thunder right.
Sora vs. Isolde: Breaking or... something.

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Re: Invading the contient of champions #2: Sora
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2010, 12:08:49 AM »
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Sora vs. Jenna Angel: Don't think she has a way around the healing? Wait, Orbs.

Sora should be able to clear a bunch of em before they act, meaning that while Jenna has multiple hits, they don't do enough damage, and Sora can just play an old school healing game, relying on Aeroga instead of second chance.

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Re: Invading the contient of champions #2: Sora
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2010, 12:30:53 AM »
Sora vs. Kuja
Sora vs. Sephiroth- While Seph's more famous status moves give sora a chance to slay him, the oft-forgotten paralysis attached to Wing Bitchslap wins.
Sora vs. Fou-Lu
Sora vs. Ghaleon
Sora vs. Orlandu- Gravity.  Sora likes PCs.  Hm.  Oh, wait.  Dark Sword until double, smite.  Nevermind.
Sora vs. Ash Lambert- no Vote.
Sora vs. Albedo
Sora vs. Melfice- Aero makes a slugfest a lose, but Silence does it.
Sora vs. Myria
Sora vs. Ryu3
Sora vs. Ryu4- I'm just assuming Dragons immune gravity, generally speaking.
Sora vs. Yuna
Sora vs. Piastol
Sora vs. Kefka
Sora vs. Zophar
Sora vs. Luca Blight
Sora vs. Yuri Hyuga
Sora vs. Profound Darkness
Sora vs. Jade
Sora vs. Emelious
Sora vs. Jenna Angel
Sora vs. Lady- Sora needs Aero to not get worn down by the double act and... yeah.
Sora vs. Empyrea
Sora vs. Cloud of Darkness
Sora vs. Heat
Sora vs. False Althena
Sora vs. Isolde

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Re: Invading the contient of champions #2: Sora
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2010, 02:25:33 AM »
Yay I can vote on this!


Sora vs. Ryu3
Sora vs. Ryu4
Sora vs. Luca Blight
Sora vs. False Althena

...Sora wins 4 to me.  I'll take a further look into it later.
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Re: Invading the contient of champions #2: Sora
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2010, 02:54:33 AM »
Sora vs. Kuja - Yoshi interps.
Sora vs. Sephiroth - Status.
Sora vs. Fou-Lu - HP->1, MP Rage, HP->1, MP Rage. Endless battle is endless.
Sora vs. Ryu4 - Faster, Gravity.
Sora vs. Yuna - Ahahahahahaha no. Go burn, Sora.
Sora vs. Kefka - See Fou-Lu. Edit: Not damage? HP->1, poke, then.
Sora vs. Yuri Hyuga - Gravity.
Sora vs. Cloud of Darkness - Bad Breath
Sora vs. Heat - Yeah, no. Heat's damage is ungodly overkill and Sora cannot break those tentacles easily.

2-6 to me. Yay for lack of Sora durability respect.

* Edited to account for HP->1 vs. MP Rage.
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Re: Invading the contient of champions #2: Sora
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2010, 05:32:16 AM »
For HP->1 to work, it would have to not count as damage (MP Rage).  I don't think either BoFIV or FFVI supports such a claim.
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Re: Invading the contient of champions #2: Sora
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2010, 05:57:43 AM »
Sora vs. Kuja
Sora vs. Sephiroth
Sora vs. Fou-Lu
Sora vs. Ghaleon
Sora vs. Orlandu
Sora vs. Ash Lambert
Sora vs. Melfice
Sora vs. Myria
Sora vs. Ryu3
Sora vs. Ryu4
Sora vs. Yuna - Faster + Stop? I can't remember if FFX could block Stop. I'll change this if it did.
Sora vs. Piastol
Sora vs. Kefka
Sora vs. Zophar
Sora vs. Luca Blight
Sora vs. Yuri Hyuga
Sora vs. Profound Darkness
Sora vs. Jade
Sora vs. Emelious
Sora vs. Jenna Angel
Sora vs. Lady - This. But a surprisingly fun matchup.
Sora vs. Empyrea
Sora vs. Cloud of Darkness - Not sure.
Sora vs. Heat
Sora vs. False Althena
Sora vs. Isolde

For kicks, the other high godlikes that I kept thinking had Championships:

Sora vs. Xorn
Sora vs. Tir McDohl
Sora vs. Rika
Sora vs. Citan Uzuki
Sora vs. Belial
Sora vs. Johnny Garland

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Re: Invading the contient of champions #2: Sora
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2010, 06:44:25 AM »
For HP->1 to work, it would have to not count as damage (MP Rage).  I don't think either BoFIV or FFVI supports such a claim.

MP Rage... *checks stat topic*  Okay, what. I don't remember that being anywhere near that good. Is that, like, regains 25% mMP for every 50% mHP taken, or is that actually literal?
Either way, that just means it's a No Vote then. I can't see a way to tiebreak that either way, since neither side can technically lose, and there's no "Attacker/Defender's fault" argument possible.

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Re: Invading the contient of champions #2: Sora
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2010, 07:33:05 AM »
It's... weird.  You know how you have the orange circle around your MP?  What MP rage does is refill that equivalent to how far your HP meter went down, refilling a full MP every time it passes one and starting over (it also stacks, but second MP rage is late levelwise, so only matters if you allow all abilities Yamikei style).  Basically it means that if you get knocked from full to 1 with 0 MP you gain a lot of MP, and though Curaga isn't full healing, from curaga to 1 HP is.... about 2 MP and change, as I recall.

You never notice this much in game because anything that can trigger Second Chance is either part of  a combo that'll just kill you anyway, or Heartless Angel, which has MP->0 attached and negates it.  Well, that and you don't really spend much time at 0 MP in KH1.
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Re: Invading the contient of champions #2: Sora
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2010, 09:02:33 PM »
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For HP->1 to work, it would have to not count as damage (MP Rage).  I don't think either BoFIV or FFVI supports such a claim.

For what it's worth, Fallen One definitely does not count as damage within FF6 (doesn't trigger damage-based counterattacks, ignores damage cap, doesn't display damage numbers, etc.). Not sure about Soul Rend.

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Re: Invading the contient of champions #2: Sora
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2010, 09:09:49 PM »
Ah.  Apologies then, misremembered on my part.  (Probably mixing it up with later FFs, there.)
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Re: Invading the contient of champions #2: Sora
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2010, 10:46:24 PM »
Sora vs. Kuja
Sora vs. Sephiroth
Sora vs. Fou-Lu - I'll take the Elf's word for it. Hp-1, poke.
Sora vs. Orlandu
Sora vs. Ash Lambert
Sora vs. Albedo
Sora vs. Melfice
Sora vs. Myria
Sora vs. Ryu3 - BoF3 Death resistance covers Gravity type effects as well, right?
Sora vs. Ryu4
Sora vs. Yuna - Really don't think he can handle the Aeon parade.
Sora vs. Piastol
Sora vs. Kefka
Sora vs. Luca Blight
Sora vs. Yuri Hyuga
Sora vs. Profound Darkness
Sora vs. Jade
Sora vs. Jenna Angel - Really not sure here. Can Sora clear out enough orbs to handle it? Kneejerking yes, but it's close.
Sora vs. Empyrea
Sora vs. Cloud of Darkness
Sora vs. Heat
Sora vs. Isolde
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Re: Invading the contient of champions #2: Sora
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2010, 11:14:47 PM »
Sora vs. Kuja - Kuja quite possibly gets OHKOed almost regardless of how much damage respect I give Sora. He certainly ain't winning if he doesn't get OHKOed either.
Sora vs. Sephiroth - Hay guyze Sora vs. status.
Sora vs. Fou-Lu - Sora is faster, but he is so -horrible- at hitting Fou's spoiling holes it fails to matter. Soul Rend slowly withers Sora there if it's not registering as MP Rage-worthy damage, and I think I buy that.
Sora vs. Ghaleon - Fate Storm.
Sora vs. Orlandu - Pffft. Graviga kills Orlandu fast (as usual, no turn one evade Aegis respect), and he also -has- to equip for speed in order to avoid getting Stop'd. He's not OHKOing Sora's good MP (I doubt I buy him OHKOing average MP), especially not when he has to sacrifice offense in the equip twinking. Orlandu could luck out on the status, but blah to that.
Sora vs. Ash Lambert - Sora is a lot like Ash, but essentially better, particularly where PC-killing is concerned.
Sora vs. Albedo - Remember how the MP busting is a limit? Yeah. Bad start. Granted, didn't Albedo have Confuse? That could tilt it if it was 100% HP.
Sora vs. Melfice - Silence and Moveblock shut Sora down nicely, and Melfice has time. Sora curses the evade.
Sora vs. Myria - Myria doubles a -lot-. At some point, she's getting a KO through doubling and through Aero, even. Actually, think she just 3-2s and uh Sora is pretty much in trouble forever.
Sora vs. Ryu3 - Faster.
Sora vs. Ryu4 - Ryu4, however, gets no such luxury. He can prevent the status or the Gravity from killing his joy, but not both at the same time, I don't think.
Sora vs. Yuna - Anima says hi with Pain and Sora sparkles into oblivion like Tinkerbell.
Sora vs. Kefka - Havoc Wing => Havoc Wing => double => splat. Sora really needed to OHKO here, and I so don't see his damage as that good.
Sora vs. Zophar - EBO.
Sora vs. Luca Blight - Aeroga manhandles Luca fine, and the fire resistance makes the magic offense kinda trivial.
Sora vs. Yuri Hyuga - Graviga.
Sora vs. Profound Darkness - PS4 SLEEP
Sora vs. Jade - Rub spam hells yeah.
Sora vs. Emelious - ... eh.
Sora vs. Jenna Angel - Jenna's -best- chance is hoping for petrify hax, but the status is just so horribly inaccurate. Good night and good spoiling, girl.
Sora vs. Lady - ULTRAAAAAAAULTRAAAAAAAAAULTRAAAAAAAAULTRAAAAAAAA (yay multihits)
Sora vs. Empyrea - Heal-locking sure works.
Sora vs. Cloud of Darkness - >_>
Sora vs. Heat - Actually, yeah. Heat's offense is kinda not too hot, and hitting a massive reduction (yay fire). Sora himself hits weakness with actually pretty solid range MT (the damage is awful, but even awful damage works for tentacles), and that gives him some semblance of openings. Actually going first doesn't hurt.
Sora vs. False Althena - FA loves status. <3
Sora vs. Isolde - Non-elemental damage? Multi-hit? Timed cards? Silence? Slow? Yeah, Sora just sorta hides under the table here.

11-15. Surprisingly solid showing against the champions (having some scrubs here helps), but facing a pool of Heavy-level status/ID whores emphasizes Sora's shortcomings better, if that makes sense. Not that Sora didn't ram his ass into status here, but.
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Re: Invading the contient of champions #2: Sora
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2010, 05:23:25 AM »
Albedo's confuse is on the same move as the MP drain. (Demonic Gaze - Soul)

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Re: Invading the contient of champions #2: Sora
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2010, 06:07:12 AM »
I.e. utterly useless for this fight. Way to go, Albedo.
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Re: Invading the contient of champions #2: Sora
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2010, 01:33:03 AM »
Putting the new one up now.