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In game use topic round 2- Tri ace staredown in Godlike.
« on: February 23, 2010, 07:57:08 PM »
Souji 14, Ramza 3
Medic 5, Cecilia 0
Zemeckis 6, KOS-MOS 2
Knight 7, Sage 4

Levin 12, Wren 1
Cecil 17, Georg 2
Alena 15, Cloud 3
Ike 6, Peter 5 (Ciato tiebreak)

Zidane  16, Kent 5
Lexis 10, Roan 9 (Sage  tiebreak)
Meru 7, Alexia 4
Chie  10, Lazlo 3

Tim 14, Nina3  3
Guy 16, Jean 3
Sue 5, Lejes 3
Kain 16, Mithra 1

Roog 9, Guido  6
Adam 7, Tony 2
Samson 4, Onix 3
Karla 12, Mogu 6

Godlike:

Yuna (FFX) vs Maya Amano (Pers2)
Rena Lanford (SO2) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VP1)
Hero (DQ5) vs Tir McDohl (S1)
Rika (PS4) vs Alicia (VC)

Heavy:

Claude Kenni (SO2) vs Millenia (G2)
Kevin (SD3) vs Sharon (LoL2)
Kika (S4) vs Maria Traydor (SO3)
Yosuke Hanamura (Pers4) vs Nina (BoF1)

Middle:

Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Fayt Leingod (SO3)
Crono (CT) vs Hahn Mahlay (PS4)
Angelo (DQ8) vs Jude Maverick (WA4)
Ulf (G3) vs Anna Lemori (MK1)

Light:

Valygar (BG2) vs Melville (S3)
Roger S. Huxley (SO3) vs Natan (SH3)
Fei-On (SaGa) vs Jet Enduro (WA3)
Gala (LoL1) vs Ayne (LoL2)

Onix- For this division, please vote for the worst of the two given PC's.

Astrid (FE10) vs Luvdisc (RSE)
Genshu (S2) vs Cathe (FE6)
Goof Off (DQ3) vs Red Turnip (SaGa)
Luke (SF2) vs Sergei (S1)
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Re: In game use topic round 2- Tri ace staredown in Godlike.
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2010, 08:11:02 PM »
Yuna (FFX) vs Maya Amano (Pers2)- Yuna is just stupid in game.
Rena Lanford (SO2) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VP1)- I'll think on this

Claude Kenni (SO2) vs Millenia (G2)- I'll think on this. Millenia...SBE is nice, but has the flaw of being in Grandia 2, where it's not really necessary.
Kevin (SD3) vs Sharon (LoL2)- Sharon is an antidote to the most dangerous things in game (Faster, ambushing randoms. She guarantees they won't be faster!)
Kika (S4) vs Maria Traydor (SO3)
Yosuke Hanamura (Pers4) vs Nina (BoF1)

Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Fayt Leingod (SO3)- I found Fayt really useful, Alice was just the assumed second party member for good reason.
Angelo (DQ8) vs Jude Maverick (WA4)- Thinking
Ulf (G3) vs Anna Lemori (MK1)- Thinking.

Gala (LoL1) vs Ayne (LoL2)- Ayne wasn't horrible. Gala was deadweight all the time.
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Re: In game use topic round 2- Tri ace staredown in Godlike.
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2010, 08:16:21 PM »
Yuna (FFX) vs Maya Amano (Pers2)- Sans Aeons, this might be a question.
Rena Lanford (SO2) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VP1)- This is stupidly close and... honestly I'm not remembering the games well enough to give it the consideration it merits, I don't think.
Hero (DQ5) vs Tir McDohl (S1)
Rika (PS4) vs Alicia (VC)- No vote.

Claude Kenni (SO2) vs Millenia (G2)- Claude could be replaced by another fighter, but Millenia being a temp makes it not really worth considering.
Kevin (SD3) vs Sharon (LoL2)- No vote.
Kika (S4) vs Maria Traydor (SO3)
Yosuke Hanamura (Pers4) vs Nina (BoF1)

Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Fayt Leingod (SO3)
Crono (CT) vs Hahn Mahlay (PS4)
Angelo (DQ8) vs Jude Maverick (WA4)
Ulf (G3) vs Anna Lemori (MK1)

Valygar (BG2) vs Melville (S3)
Roger S. Huxley (SO3) vs Natan (SH3)
Fei-On (SaGa) vs Jet Enduro (WA3)
Gala (LoL1) vs Ayne (LoL2)

We're still using "worst character gets the votes" for Onix yes?
Astrid (FE10) vs Luvdisc (RSE)- Hmm.  Terrible though Luvdisc is (Astrid is surely a better fighter technically speaking) FE punishes using bad people considerably more than Pokemon.
Genshu (S2) vs Cathe (FE6)- Genshu sucks.  Cathe I killed because she was so annoying.
Goof Off (DQ3) vs Red Turnip (SaGa)
Luke (SF2) vs Sergei (S1)- Kneejerk that no one in Suikoden 1 can't be made almost salvagable.  Luke can't break defense.
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Re: In game use topic round 2- Tri ace staredown in Godlike.
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2010, 08:17:26 PM »
Yuna (FFX) vs Maya Amano (Pers2) - Aeons: break game harder, but have specific spoiler moves used against them. Maya: has utter stat domination in game and Combo twinking is brutal, buuuuut doesn't get as consistently broken as Aeons. Likely to vote Maya, my Yuna-less run of FFX made me less respecting of Aeon utter dominance, but they're damn good and I have no heartbreak if Maya loses here, since the argument for Yuna's very damn good.

This being said fights without fusion spells off competent stats are much more painful than fights without Aeons. Yeah, convinced myself. Maya.

Rena Lanford (SO2) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VP1) - No argument for me. Rena's not that stellar to me, Lenneth is.

Claude Kenni (SO2) vs Millenia (G2) - uh
Kevin (SD3) vs Sharon (LoL2) - Breaks game harder.
Kika (S4) vs Maria Traydor (SO3) - ^
Yosuke Hanamura (Pers4) vs Nina (BoF1) - ...hm.

Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Fayt Leingod (SO3) - It's SH1. Alice deserves this division but I find Fayt to be better. *shrug*
Crono (CT) vs Hahn Mahlay (PS4) - Solid.
Angelo (DQ8) vs Jude Maverick (WA4) - Better.

Roger S. Huxley (SO3) vs Natan (SH3)
Gala (LoL1) vs Ayne (LoL2) - If only because Gala is forced.

Goof Off (DQ3) vs Red Turnip (SaGa)
Luke (SF2) vs Sergei (S1) - uh fuck. Who was Sergei?
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Re: In game use topic round 2- Tri ace staredown in Godlike.
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2010, 08:19:29 PM »
Yuna (FFX) vs Maya Amano (Pers2) - This is tough but I think I lean Maya here. Aeons are great and all but Maya has a lot of things going for her with the modular stats and the various Personas she can use better than anyone. Maia Custom goes a long way too.
Rena Lanford (SO2) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VP1) - Hmm. I will get back to this one.
Hero (DQ5) vs Tir McDohl (S1) - Tir is good but... kind of fails against bosses until the end of the game. Hero is pretty solid throughout.
Rika (PS4) vs Alicia (VC) - I'll get back to this one too.

Claude Kenni (SO2) vs Millenia (G2) - I think the monumentally overpowered Spellbinding Eye tips this in her favor.
Kevin (SD3) vs Sharon (LoL2)
Kika (S4) vs Maria Traydor (SO3)
Yosuke Hanamura (Pers4) vs Nina (BoF1) - Uh. Shit. Probably Nina as she's your only healer. :\

Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Fayt Leingod (SO3) - Fayt is replacable. Alice is... less so.
Crono (CT) vs Hahn Mahlay (PS4) - Solid throughout vs. Temp
Angelo (DQ8) vs Jude Maverick (WA4) - Multiheal vs. Whatever Jude has.
Ulf (G3) vs Anna Lemori (MK1)

Valygar (BG2) vs Melville (S3)
Roger S. Huxley (SO3) vs Natan (SH3) - More amusing. (That's an in-game use!)
Fei-On (SaGa) vs Jet Enduro (WA3)
Gala (LoL1) vs Ayne (LoL2)

Astrid (FE10) vs Luvdisc (RSE)
Genshu (S2) vs Cathe (FE6) - Go die, Genshu.
Goof Off (DQ3) vs Red Turnip (SaGa) Goof Off turns into something good. Red Turnip is Red Turnip.
Luke (SF2) vs Sergei (S1) - Sergei could equip a rune.

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Re: In game use topic round 2- Tri ace staredown in Godlike.
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2010, 08:19:36 PM »
Rena Lanford (SO2) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VP1)- Much as I love bow Lenneth, she's replaceable. Your best replacement for Rena is NOEL. No.
Hero (DQ5) vs Tir McDohl (S1)- Had excellent stats+equips. It's enough to nudge him over Tir, who I never got a ton of milage out of.
Rika (PS4) vs Alicia (VC)- Awaiting arguments. Alicia's good but other scouts can do a lot of what she does. She feels better in a void, but some of that is orders being so damn nasty, which isn't her power. EDIT: Pyro makes a good enough point. Mmm.

Claude Kenni (SO2) vs Millenia (G2)- I try to not let availability color things too much, but Millenia's is pretty bad. It's a shame, she has the makings of a Godlike otherwise.
Kevin (SD3) vs Sharon (LoL2)- Kevin's got the best physical in the game, and that's before Werewolf. He also has a skillset late and generally shreds bosses. Sharon's good but can't compete with that.
Kika (S4) vs Maria Traydor (SO3)- Kika felt solid enough? Maria's good but felt like she trailed off some late.
Yosuke Hanamura (Pers4) vs Nina (BoF1)- Want to say Yosuke being the second best PC trumps Nina's healing (Nina's probably the fourth best PC in the game, behind Ryu/Deis/Puka combo) but damn this is close. I think I'll switch, I can't imagine doing the final few bosses without Nina1. Mmm, will come back to this one.

Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Fayt Leingod (SO3)- Fayt's barely a Middle, and Alice is a solid number 2 PC in game.
Crono (CT) vs Hahn Mahlay (PS4)- Crono's at least worth using, Hahn almost never is.
Angelo (DQ8) vs Jude Maverick (WA4)- Jude's twink smashy matters more than Angelo's buff game.
Ulf (G3) vs Anna Lemori (MK1)- Kneejerk.

Valygar (BG2) vs Melville (S3)- Valygar was the worst of the fighter PC's IIRC.  Melville's usable.
Roger S. Huxley (SO3) vs Natan (SH3)- Roger's a distant fourth of the four PC's you choose from in late disk 1/early disk 2. Nel/Peppita/Albel all have uses while Roger... um yeah.
Fei-On (SaGa) vs Jet Enduro (WA3)- Found Jet to be fairly useful. Fei-On's just bad.
Gala (LoL1) vs Ayne (LoL2)- Yuck. Gala's at least durable! Ayne is never worth using.

Goof Off (DQ3) vs Red Turnip (SaGa)- I think Goof Off is more useful even ignoring the Sage transfer.
Luke (SF2) vs Sergei (S1)- Luke's at least bait for the Kraken. Sergei is worst cast member in S1 (Yes, I know about the saw dude, and no I don't care).  
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Re: In game use topic round 2- Tri ace staredown in Godlike.
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2010, 08:21:44 PM »
Godlike
Yuna (FFX) vs Maya Amano (Pers2) - Both can make thier games jokes, going with the one who needs less effort to make it happen.
Rena Lanford (SO2) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VP1) - Lenneth SMASH, etc.
Hero (DQ5) vs Tir McDohl (S1) - Soul Eater is that damned good. Oh and Tir is just fine without it, too.
Rika (PS4) vs Alicia (VC) - Not that far in VC yet.

Heavy
Claude Kenni (SO2) vs Millenia (G2) - Really comes down to my playstyle.
Kevin (SD3) vs Sharon (LoL2) - Kevin had an annoying habit of knocking enemies back on the first punch so he whiffed on the second. That's obviously just me fucking up, but eh. Sharon on the other hand destroys worlds.
Kika (S4) vs Maria Traydor (SO3) - Couldn't get the hang of controlling Maria, and she wasn't that hot under AI control.
Yosuke Hanamura (Pers4) vs Nina (BoF1) - Yeesh. Hell of a Heavy division when there's at least three people I'd vote over Yosuke. Including the one he's up against.

Middle
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Fayt Leingod (SO3) - Fayt was super easy to control and fit right in with my style. Really ripped the game apart. Alice is good, but I clicked with Fayt really well.
Crono (CT) vs Hahn Mahlay (PS4) - Crono offense is one of those things you just rely on for so long in CT.
Angelo (DQ8) vs Jude Maverick (WA4) - Tough one. I got a fair amount of use out of Jude, but he's still clearly cast LVP. Just from a hell of a cast. Angelo on the other hand, I would not want to ever have to do without in DQ8 once he got Multiheal. MT healing is just too valuable in DQ games.
Ulf (G3) vs Anna Lemori (MK1) - Another tough one. Anna lacked alot in the damage department for me, so I ended up benching her in the final battle. Ulf reliably broke randoms apart when I let him blow through his SP, and randoms in G3 are threatening enough to make that a serious plus. Ulf takes it.

Light
Valygar (BG2) vs Melville (S3) - Honestly, it's been a long time since I played BG2. Hell if I can remember who Valygar even is anymore.
Roger S. Huxley (SO3) vs Natan (SH3) - Uh...kneejerk?
Fei-On (SaGa) vs Jet Enduro (WA3) - Fei-On's not unusably bad, but there are too many other better then him at what he does. Jet can be made useful far more easily.
Gala (LoL1) vs Ayne (LoL2) - Unless I can't remember LoL1 at all, Gala is the best mage you get. And some seru spells are very much worth it. Ayne always felt like cast LVP in LoL2, so while he's not bad, Gala take it.

Onix
Astrid (FE10) vs Luvdisc (RSE) - Don't remember Astrid in 10 too much. Haven't beaten 10 yet, though.
Genshu (S2) vs Cathe (FE6) - Cathe at least has thief skills. Genshu can't even claim that.
Goof Off (DQ3) vs Red Turnip (SaGa) - You can turn Goof Offs into Sages. That's >>>>> anything Red Turnip has.
Luke (SF2) vs Sergei (S1) - Uh...kneejerk?
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Re: In game use topic round 2- Tri ace staredown in Godlike.
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2010, 08:29:48 PM »
Middle
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Fayt Leingod (SO3) - Not close. Fayt is easily replacable and even then he's got nothing on the better PCs like Nel and Maria in SO3. Meanwhile, Alice is in SH1 which means everyone loses to Yuri, but Alice manages to stay in the party most of the time because her skills don't suck, she has some form of healing and her damage is passable for a healer.
Ulf (G3) vs Anna Lemori (MK1) - Not a bad match. Anna doesn't have a whole bunch of damage potential (granted, she still has damage), but the D support is very awesome and due to speed, she's fast enough to perform item girl duty if you absolutely must. Ull isn't bad either, but he doesn't have a good magic stat to really make use of the mana egg twinking that Alfina and Dahna can. Also having to keep active conscious eye towards SP when restoring it isn't all that easy seals it I think.

Onix
Astrid (FE10) vs Luvdisc (RSE) - God Super. I am going to have to burn you with acid. I mean, seriously? This fails. Astrid wins on account on providing Paragon, mounted, 2 range and Canto. This means she can attack without being countered, run away and can perform rescue/visiting houses or other random stuff like that. Paragon is offset by Heart Scales up a certain point, but Heart Scales are not guaranteed to make your team stronger if the Pokes you are using don't have any great moves that come from earlier levels. Meanwhile, Paragon benefits everyone. Oh and while Luvdisc can be a surfer, you have to be really desperate for it and he can't perform other HM functions so he can't even be a HM slave. Astrid wins this. Fail Super.
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Re: In game use topic round 2- Tri ace staredown in Godlike.
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2010, 08:40:52 PM »
Godlike:

Rena Lanford (SO2) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VP1) - While both are MVP material in their respective games, all Lenneth really provides is damage in a game where it's not really lacking.  Rena, meanwhile, is essentially your sole healer in a game where randoms are acutally somewhat competent.

Heavy:

Claude Kenni (SO2) vs Millenia (G2) - Claude's your best fighter.  Millenia, while useful, is too limited in resources and availablility to really take it here.

Middle:

Crono (CT) vs Hahn Mahlay (PS4) - Crono is solid enough.  Hahn... not so much.

Light:

FAIL

Onix- For this division, please vote for the worst of the two given PC's.

Genshu (S2) vs Cathe (FE6) - While you're not hurting for thieves by the time Cath joins, you can at least steal some lockpicks from her before then.  Genshu, meanwhile, fails to exist for 95% of the game and provides absolutely nothing of use.
Luke (SF2) vs Sergei (S1) - Luke can at least serve as a warm body.  Sergei is a textbook Suikoscrub.

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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2010, 08:59:58 PM »
Godlike:

Yuna (FFX) vs Maya Amano (Pers2) - Smash.
Rena Lanford (SO2) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VP1) - Kneejerk.
Hero (DQ5) vs Tir McDohl (S1)
Rika (PS4) vs Alicia (VC)

Heavy:

Claude Kenni (SO2) vs Millenia (G2) - SBE I guess.
Kevin (SD3) vs Sharon (LoL2)
Kika (S4) vs Maria Traydor (SO3) - Falcon hax.
Yosuke Hanamura (Pers4) vs Nina (BoF1) - Healing.

Middle:

Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Fayt Leingod (SO3) - Clear second in-game.
Crono (CT) vs Hahn Mahlay (PS4) - Whatever.
Angelo (DQ8) vs Jude Maverick (WA4) - Healing I guess?  Close.
Ulf (G3) vs Anna Lemori (MK1) - Even if you don't respect the damage, she has speed (important for grabbing initiative), Quick, and AoE ID with a decent rate.  She also tends to add a lot of hits for Burst, can twink magic for backup, and instant turns on the supports.  Also Task Board hype!!  Ulf's pretty good too, since speed is big in G3, but I found magic to be much more useful and he wasn't very good with that.

Light:

Valygar (BG2) vs Melville (S3)
Roger S. Huxley (SO3) vs Natan (SH3) - HIT COMBO HYPE!
Fei-On (SaGa) vs Jet Enduro (WA3) - whatever
Gala (LoL1) vs Ayne (LoL2) - Sure.

Onix- For this division, please vote for the worst of the two given PC's.

Astrid (FE10) vs Luvdisc (RSE) - Don't think I give much credit to Astrid giving Paragon.  The game could just give it to you in plot when she joins and it wouldn't change much.  Kind of like hyping WA5 Greg in-game for coming with the Sword Medium.
Genshu (S2) vs Cathe (FE6)
Goof Off (DQ3) vs Red Turnip (SaGa) - Goof-Off probably shouldn't even be in this division.
Luke (SF2) vs Sergei (S1)

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Re: In game use topic round 2- Tri ace staredown in Godlike.
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2010, 09:11:40 PM »
Middle:

Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Fayt Leingod (SO3) - Sure Alice makes a nice healer but Fayt can solo his whole damn game. There is no need for twinking or any of that nonsense, he simply crushes everything underfoot. Alice cannot say this.
Crono (CT) vs Hahn Mahlay (PS4) - I don't like either but Crono is a decent fighter. Hahn is the second worst PC in his game.
Angelo (DQ8) vs Jude Maverick (WA4) - Angelo's healing is greatly needed. Jude just isn't useful when compared to the other PCs.

Light:

Roger S. Huxley (SO3) vs Natan (SH3) - Roger isn't that bad. Natan is worthless.

Onix- For this division, please vote for the worst of the two given PC's.

Astrid (FE10) vs Luvdisc (RSE) - She provides a Paragon. Thats more then Luvdisc ever will.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2010, 09:43:26 PM by Rozalia »

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Re: In game use topic round 2- Tri ace staredown in Godlike.
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2010, 09:13:54 PM »
Rozalia: I think you screwed up the bolding on Natan/Roger. Did you want to vote for Roger, not Natan?
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Re: In game use topic round 2- Tri ace staredown in Godlike.
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2010, 09:14:47 PM »
Astrid (FE10) vs Luvdisc (RSE) - I'm not considering Paragon! I'm also, on that note, not counting Heart Scales, so Luvdisc provides Surf, which a billion other things do as well. Astrid has range and Canto, and that's enough to be more useful than Luvdisc. Also, permadeath, if anything, just means Astrid might actually be used as opposed to being left on the sidelines - if anything, it seems like it should be to Astrid's advantage, not vice versa.

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Re: In game use topic round 2- Tri ace staredown in Godlike.
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2010, 09:44:10 PM »
Rozalia: I think you screwed up the bolding on Natan/Roger. Did you want to vote for Roger, not Natan?

Thanks for catching that. Yeah I'm voting for Roger so I've edited the post.

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Re: In game use topic round 2- Tri ace staredown in Godlike.
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2010, 09:45:06 PM »
Yuna (FFX) vs Maya Amano (Pers2)
Rena Lanford (SO2) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VP1)
Hero (DQ5) vs Tir McDohl (S1)


Heavy:

Claude Kenni (SO2) vs Millenia (G2)- Why is Rena in Godlike and Claude in heavy?
Kika (S4) vs Maria Traydor (SO3)


Middle:


Crono (CT) vs Hahn Mahlay (PS4)
Ulf (G3) vs Anna Lemori (MK1)

Light:

Fei-On (SaGa) vs Jet Enduro (WA3)


Onix- For this division, please vote for the worst of the two given PC's.

Astrid (FE10) vs Luvdisc (RSE)- Astrid can at least get transfer data
Genshu (S2) vs Cathe (FE6)
Goof Off (DQ3) vs Red Turnip (SaGa)- Let me explain. ANYONE can turn into a sage with an easy to find book. Red Turnip can become a better monster like a Mariche. Goof Offs just paralyze themselves, so even leveling one up to become a Sage is painful (Taking NES version here)
Luke (SF2) vs Sergei (S1)- Luke wasnt horrible the short time I used him. Sergei has no attack and no magic. One rune slot wont fix him.

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Re: In game use topic round 2- Tri ace staredown in Godlike.
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2010, 12:37:04 AM »
Godlike:

Rena Lanford (SO2) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VP1) This is really, really close.

Heavy:

Claude Kenni (SO2) vs Millenia (G2)
Yosuke Hanamura (Pers4) vs Nina (BoF1) Yosuke's nice but Nina is practically required.

Middle:

Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Fayt Leingod (SO3) Early game where Alice has SP concerns makes this closer, but aside from that Alice is too good at her job.
Crono (CT) vs Hahn Mahlay (PS4)
Angelo (DQ8) vs Jude Maverick (WA4)

Light:

Roger S. Huxley (SO3) vs Natan (SH3)
Fei-On (SaGa) vs Jet Enduro (WA3) Abstain, Fei On's not bad, but there are better and he's optional. On the other hand, Jet is cast worst but required.

Onix- For this division, please vote for the worst of the two given PC's.

Astrid (FE10) vs Luvdisc (RSE) Astrid is a liability on a few maps, Luvdisc never has to be used.

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Re: In game use topic round 2- Tri ace staredown in Godlike.
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2010, 01:20:45 AM »
Godlike:

Rena Lanford (SO2) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VP1): Noel does exist, and isn't -quite- as bad as some seem to think... but yeah. He's still pretty bad, late, and Rena is irreplaceable otherwise.

Heavy:

Claude Kenni (SO2) vs Millenia (G2): Oh bollocks, Millenia is at least as available as Orlandu.
Kevin (SD3) vs Sharon (LoL2): Has speed in a game with non-slow enemies on top of all her other advantages. Kevin has smash but like with Lenneth, it's replaceable smash.
Kika (S4) vs Maria Traydor (SO3): I think. Maria does take a little time to get going and always has the move problem, Kika is basically S4 MVP from the moment she joins (even has weapon levels!).

Middle:

Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Fayt Leingod (SO3): Second best PC vs. not second best PC. Gap between 2 and 3 is large.
Crono (CT) vs Hahn Mahlay (PS4): I came into the topic expecting to vote against Crono because I generally find him a bit overhyped but I'm really not convinced Hahn is a Middle, he's pretty bad aside from being a healing battery.
Angelo (DQ8) vs Jude Maverick (WA4): Faster healer. Faster Multihealer past a certain point. A bunch of bosses just suck because of Angelo.
Ulf (G3) vs Anna Lemori (MK1): Pretty close, but yeah. G3 is just such a magic-dominated game.

Light:

Roger S. Huxley (SO3) vs Natan (SH3): All of Natan's stats are solid enough and he's good at racking up combos. Awesome for Light. Roger joins underlevelled and never turns into anything great.

Onix- For this division, please vote for the worst of the two given PC's.

Astrid (FE10) vs Luvdisc (RSE): mrrf. I don't give Astrid credit for Paragon, but I don't give Luvdisc credit for Heart Scales either I'm pretty sure.
Genshu (S2) vs Cathe (FE6): YOU ARE BETTER OFF KILLING CATHE. Genshu is at least not actively negative. Well... bleh. I guess Cathe has use if you lose one of the other thieves. May rethink this.
Luke (SF2) vs Sergei (S1): Luke flies. You could dump some stat boosters in him and get some real use out of him. Even without that he has unique uses as bait. Sergei is only the second worst character in the game (Sansuke can't even be a mediocre mage like Sergei can!) but there is literally no reason to use him ever.

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Re: In game use topic round 2- Tri ace staredown in Godlike.
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2010, 02:27:15 AM »
Godlike:

Rena Lanford (SO2) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VP1) - Rena is essential, Lenneth is only super-broken for the last 20 minutes of the game, etc.
Hero (DQ5) vs Tir McDohl (S1) - I guess?  I tried not to use the Soul Eater because it's cursed and all.

Heavy:

Claude Kenni (SO2) vs Millenia (G2) - Tricky.  Claude is in a harder game but still going to lean Millenia since if anything G2 being easy makes her better - her weakness is comparatively meh HP but nothing punishes you in-game for it.  And it's not just SBE, Fallen Wings is great too.
Kika (S4) vs Maria Traydor (SO3) - Maria was my favorite PC ultimately in SO3.

Middle:

Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Fayt Leingod (SO3) - Hrmm.  I really didn't know what the hell I was doing with Fayt first time through SO3.  Alice has very notable flaws, especially in the beginning (no SP!  Can die!) but ultimately ends up quite good by endgame.  And earlygame she's still useful and probably better than Zhuzen.
Angelo (DQ8) vs Jude Maverick (WA4) - Jude for Light.

Light:

Valygar (BG2) vs Melville (S3) - Valygar's not great but still okay.
Roger S. Huxley (SO3) vs Natan (SH3) - DIE ROGER

Onix

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Re: In game use topic round 2- Tri ace staredown in Godlike.
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2010, 02:31:33 AM »
Godlike:

Yuna (FFX) vs Maya Amano (Pers2)- Maya isn't that broken~
Rena Lanford (SO2) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VP1)
Hero (DQ5) vs Tir McDohl (S1)
Rika (PS4) vs Alicia (VC)

Heavy:

Claude Kenni (SO2) vs Millenia (G2)
Kevin (SD3) vs Sharon (LoL2)
Kika (S4) vs Maria Traydor (SO3)
Yosuke Hanamura (Pers4) vs Nina (BoF1)

Middle:

Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Fayt Leingod (SO3)
Crono (CT) vs Hahn Mahlay (PS4)
Angelo (DQ8) vs Jude Maverick (WA4)
Ulf (G3) vs Anna Lemori (MK1)

Light:

Valygar (BG2) vs Melville (S3)
Roger S. Huxley (SO3) vs Natan (SH3)
Fei-On (SaGa) vs Jet Enduro (WA3)
Gala (LoL1) vs Ayne (LoL2)

Onix- For this division, please vote for the worst of the two given PC's.

Astrid (FE10) vs Luvdisc (RSE)
Genshu (S2) vs Cathe (FE6)
Goof Off (DQ3) vs Red Turnip (SaGa)
Luke (SF2) vs Sergei (S1)
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Re: In game use topic round 2- Tri ace staredown in Godlike.
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2010, 02:58:30 AM »
Rena Lanford (SO2) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VP1) - Less replaceable. Lenneth is amazing at what she does, but pure offense in a game where you still can get it in spades goes only so far.
Hero (DQ5) vs Tir McDohl (S1) - I'm... not really sure Hero even is worth Godlike, really. Tir does lag a bit due to taking a long time to get his L2, but once he does, he just gets progressively stupider.

Claude Kenni (SO2) vs Millenia (G2) - Sure.
Kevin (SD3) vs Sharon (LoL2) - Sharon smashes in a lot more relevant ways and feels more crucial to your party, really.
Kika (S4) vs Maria Traydor (SO3) - Sure, I buy Elfboy's reasoning. Maria needs to build Scatter Beam some before getting into crazy territory and nothing fixes the shoddy speed.
Yosuke Hanamura (Pers4) vs Nina (BoF1) - I dunno, Nina's kinda hax at healing.

Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Fayt Leingod (SO3) - Better at letting your best PC do the smashing.
Crono (CT) vs Hahn Mahlay (PS4) - Hahn is like the second-worst PC in PS4 (as much as I like him), and the competition is honestly stiffer than in CT.
Angelo (DQ8) vs Jude Maverick (WA4) - Angelo may actually swing Heavy in a good day. Jude is pretty eh.
Ulf (G3) vs Anna Lemouri (MK1) - Ulf's speed is undermined by his thorough magic incompetence, methinks, and G3 just likes magic too much. Anna is a rather neat fighter for both randoms and bosses.

Roger S. Huxley (SO3) vs Natan (SH3) - Pass, never got Roger.
Fei-On (SaGa) vs Jet Enduro (WA3) - Fei-On is pointless, Jet makes a decent whatever boy.
Gala (LoL1) vs Ayne (LoL2) - God, Gala is kinda pointless besides being a warm body.

Genshu (S2) vs Cathe (FE6) - She's better off dead than alive. This says it all.
Luke (SF2) vs Sergei (S1) - I actually consistently got mileage out of Luke in the midgame - flying is not a bad niche to have multiple people covering for a while. Sergei... um yeah.
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Re: In game use topic round 2- Tri ace staredown in Godlike.
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2010, 03:16:04 AM »
Godlike:

Yuna (FFX) vs Maya Amano (Pers2) - Not even giving her credit for Aeons, she wins this. Maya's good and beats quite a few people here, but not Yuna.
Rena Lanford (SO2) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VP1) - Necessary and irreplaceable. Lenneth is awesome, and they finally do that 'Game Over if Main dies' thing in a sensible manner (3 turns before it happens, so you get a chance to reverse it!), but this is Rena's match.
Rika (PS4) vs Alicia (VC) - Haven't played VC, but my kneejerk is other Scouts can fill in for Alicia if necessary... that's not going to beat out Rika.

Heavy:

Claude Kenni (SO2) vs Millenia (G2) - Close. Millenia's availability is limited, but she's normally around for most boss fights, which is the only time in G2 you might need her level of broken. Claude is replaceable, though there's no need to do so.
Kika (S4) vs Maria Traydor (SO3) - Kneejerk.
Yosuke Hanamura (Pers4) vs Nina (BoF1) - I really liked using Yosuke, but he always felt the most replaceable of the P4 group.

Middle:

Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Fayt Leingod (SO3)
Crono (CT) vs Hahn Mahlay (PS4)
Angelo (DQ8) vs Jude Maverick (WA4) - Jude has a lot of situational uses, and his speed is nice. However, the amount of turns he gets kind of highlights how little he can do with those turns until late. I wouldn't mind replacing him with say, another Arnaud. If I could replace Angelo, I probably wouldn't.

Light:

Roger S. Huxley (SO3) vs Natan (SH3)
Fei-On (SaGa) vs Jet Enduro (WA3) - Fei-On actually has some of the best innate growths in the game. And he's talented at learning nearly every Fist skill! Too bad that he's not talented at learning DSC, and that his base stats are kinda bad and he's one of the PCs that takes awhile to be able to recruit. Jet's LVP, but Medium twinking, decent speed, and general customizability means that you can make something useful, though generic, out of him like Item-boy, Finest Arts-user, Gatling specialist... Fei-On is twinkable, but less readily available and obsolete out of the box.

Onix- For this division, please vote for the worst of the two given PC's.

Astrid (FE10) vs Luvdisc (RSE) - Well, I'm convinced.
Goof Off (DQ3) vs Red Turnip (SaGa) - Turnip is bad, but if Goof Off is getting credit for turning into Sage, Turnip at least starts with a lot of monster skills that help it get to a good endgame monster form like Kraken. Also, can learn LifeRain, the one really useful thing that Monsters do (especially if you don't want to spend forever getting Mesarthim).
Luke (SF2) vs Sergei (S1) - Luke was the first hawkman you get, right? That's early enough to not force anyone out of the party, so he's at least a useful warm body. Plus he flies. Sergei is useless out of the box in Suikoden *1*.

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Re: In game use topic round 2- Tri ace staredown in Godlike.
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2010, 04:58:31 AM »
Godlike:

Rena Lanford (SO2) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VP1): Lenneth... meh. More of a heavy, not even MVP. Has to compete with spearmen and mages.
Rika (PS4) vs Alicia (VC)Scout goodness + a big boost in HP and especially accuracy - she can practically snipe after a few weapon upgrades.

Heavy:

Claude Kenni (SO2) vs Millenia (G2)
Kevin (SD3) vs Sharon (LoL2): LoL2 is mainly about boss slayingto me. Sharon's not outstanding there, in fact she's worse than everyone but Kazan.
Yosuke Hanamura (Pers4) vs Nina (BoF1) Good healer with some sweet stat downs for bosses > Yosuke.

Middle:

Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Fayt Leingod (SO3)
Crono (CT) vs Hahn Mahlay (PS4)
Angelo (DQ8) vs Jude Maverick (WA4): Angelo's pretty vital for his healing before endgame, more of a heavy. Jude is LVP. This is still a closer match than...
Ulf (G3) vs Anna Lemori (MK1): This. I'd call 2 people from last week's Onix division better than Anna (Onix himself, and Mogu.) Anna has shit damage that's only marginally boosted by speed gimmicks and no good utility moves or supports in a game where every other PC has at least one sort of really badass trick. Ulf is a competent but unimpressive fighter type from a relatively balanced cast. Come on.

Light:

Valygar (BG2) vs Melville (S3): He's the worst of the fighters but not... TOO horribly behind. Beats an unremarkable suikoscrub. These guys are both pretty bad, though.
Roger S. Huxley (SO3) vs Natan (SH3): Good combo ability and anti-air moves > someone you have to sacrifice an actual good PC to get.
Fei-On (SaGa) vs Jet Enduro (WA3)

Onix- For this division, please vote for the worst of the two given PC's.

Can't vote on any of these. Woe is me.

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Re: In game use topic round 2- Tri ace staredown in Godlike.
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2010, 05:08:47 AM »
Godlike:

Yuna (FFX) vs Maya Amano (Pers2) - Aeons, lulz.

Heavy:

Claude Kenni (SO2) vs Millenia (G2) - Ehh... I dunno, this one's close. Leaning Millenia for now.

Middle:

Crono (CT) vs Hahn Mahlay (PS4) - Nearly the only source of sustainable damage until Robo pops along.
Angelo (DQ8) vs Jude Maverick (WA4) - Heals well.

Light:

Fei-On (SaGa) vs Jet Enduro (WA3) - If you put some effort into him, Fei-On's great.

Onix- For this division, please vote for the worst of the two given PC's.

Astrid (FE10) vs Luvdisc (RSE) - Astrid is -usable-.
Genshu (S2) vs Cathe (FE6) - Genshu is... less unusable than Cathe.
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Re: In game use topic round 2- Tri ace staredown in Godlike.
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2010, 05:32:21 AM »
Godlike:

Yuna (FFX) vs Maya Amano (Pers2) - There's something to be said for the use of someone who petered off about halfway into the game, compared to someone who can become amazing SMASH.  I dunno, I guess I'm just a fan of project characters, but I found Yuna just...  Not fun to use, especially in the face of a party of Tidus-Wakka-Rikku at the end.

I know I spent more time getting the materials for Deathstrike on the Arena weapons than I did building up the Aeons ever, if that says anything.

Rena Lanford (SO2) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VP1) - Said before: healer in a game with competent enemies and no real replacement until very, VERY late who herself also has passable early damage in both variations versus generic damage dealer in a game where damage is not an issue ever and stays that way until very late.  Giving me that much time to highlight other characters...  Yeah.

Heavy:

Kevin (SD3) vs Sharon (LoL2) - I never really got the hang of Kevin.  Sharon never left my party when available.
Kika (S4) vs Maria Traydor (SO3) - I like characters that can actually MOVE in an ARPG.

Middle:

Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Fayt Leingod (SO3) - Cast Best of something vs. easy to learn but replaceable.  Hmm.

Light:

Roger S. Huxley (SO3) vs Natan (SH3) - Hit count hype, yes...  And he also gets an accessory that gives him 10% of his MP back at the start of his turn...  In a game where specials are godlike for clearing out randoms and getting those battle bonuses for clearing out randoms *quickly*.  Either that, or just throw Entrance on him to have him give ultimate SMASH against anything not Lady or Envious Jealousy.  Solid stats, too, even if Soul Valet needs a bit of set-up to be used a lot of the time (except against EJ and Umbral, who start/stay aerial!).  Roger...  Do I even need to explain him?  I'd probably just use him for the cuteness factor.
Gala (LoL1) vs Ayne (LoL2) - Gala felt usable.  Ayne felt like they tried to overdo the hulking giant trope, and gave him too little speed for anything to matter ever.

Onix- For this division, please vote for the worst of the two given PC's.

Astrid, Cathe, Goof Off.  Not bothering to explain things.

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Re: In game use topic round 2- Tri ace staredown in Godlike.
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2010, 08:59:50 AM »
Gala (LoL1) vs Ayne (LoL2)- Yuck. Gala's at least durable! Ayne is never worth using.

Gala is notably less durable than Ayne. Similarly, for the person who noted that one of Ayne's major issues was he was slow, Gala is also about as bad there.
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