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In game use week 3: Yuri everywhere in Godlike.
« on: March 01, 2010, 06:13:52 AM »
Results!

Yuna 9, Maya 4
Rena 13, Lenneth 7
Hero 6, Tir 4
Rika 3, Alicia 3

Claude 11, Millenia 10
Sharon 9,  Kevin 3
Kika 12, Maria 4
Nina 13, Yosuke 1

Alice 18, Fayt 4
Crono 20, Hahn 1
Angelo 20, Jude 1
Anna 9, Ulf 4

Valygar 4, Melville 2
Natan 15, Roger 2
Jet 8, Fei-On 3
Gala 10, Ayne 2

Luvdisc 10, Astrid 3
Cathe 7, Genshu 6
Red Turnip 7, Goof-Off 3
Sergei 10, Luke 3

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TimeLord (SaGa) vs  Yuri Volte Hyuga (SH1)
Ryu (BoF3) vs Yuri Lowell (ToV)
Citan Uzuki (XG) vs Revya (SN)
Falsetto (ES) vs Yuri Volte Hyuga (SH2)


Heavy:

Serge (CC) vs Nina (BoF4)
Shania (SH3) vs Guv (DQ8)
Flik (S1) vs X (MMXCM)
Hugo (S3) vs Terra Branford (FF6)

Middle:

Albert Serdio (LoD) vs Johnny (SH3)
Guy (TotA) vs Fei Wong Fong (XG)
Bowser (SMRPG) Vs Marivel Armitage (WA2)
Vitali (SN) vs Lilly (S3)

Light:

Genis Sage (ToS) vs Goto (MK2)
Claude (SF2) vs Zhuzhen Liu (SH1)
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs Nidoqueen (RBY)
Duran (SD3) Vs Hanako (Disgaea 2)

Onix:

Nina (BoF3) vs  Sneff (CC)
Malak Galthana (FFT) Vs Taloon (DQ4)
Noel Chandler (SO2) vs Mime (FFT)
Jagen (FE1) vs Maria (On foot, XG)
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Re: In game use week 3: Yuri everywhere in Godlike.
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2010, 06:22:06 AM »
Godlike:

TimeLord (SaGa) vs  Yuri Volte Hyuga (SH1)- Prevents bosses from ever getting turns, can status out 95% of the randoms in the game. Sold!
Citan Uzuki (XG) vs Revya (SN)- Citan on foot is one of the all time greats. Revya's great as well, but other units wreck the universe in SN. Citan has less competition for that.
Falsetto (ES) vs Yuri Volte Hyuga (SH2)- Abstain for now.


Heavy:

Serge (CC) vs Nina (BoF4)- Serge has a functional stat lead over other PC's thanks to stupid CC mechanics and the mastermune's godly, just... I remember really needing Nina's healing magic and speed.
Shania (SH3) vs Guv (DQ8)- Call Team+Omniheal+metalslaying. Guv pretty much did it all.
Flik (S1) vs X (MMXCM) - Not much X respect for randoms, as I never did get charge shot to work right. He's still an effective boss smasher in a game where the bosses are hard.
Hugo (S3) vs Terra Branford (FF6)- Just overall better.

Middle:

Albert Serdio (LoD) vs Johnny (SH3)- I'd have benched Johnny for Natan for 90% of the game if I could. Snap is all he had. Fail.  Albert has terrible MDef, but Rose storm is useful and Gust of Wind Dance does horrible things in the midgame.
Guy (TotA) vs Fei Wong Fong (XG)- 8/10 PC for me vs a 5/10 PC. Fei was unremarkable, Guy was excellent.
Bowser (SMRPG) Vs Marivel Armitage (WA2)
Vitali (SN) vs Lilly (S3)- Vitali has full MT healing. Sold!

Light:

Claude (SF2) vsZhuzhen Liu (SH1)- Zhuzhen has some slight use when he's forced. Claude's a bad late joiner.
Duran (SD3) Vs Hanako (Disgaea 2)- Hanako's a bad PC. Duran actively makes your party worse. The spot he's taking up could be going to far superior characters like literally everyone else in his cast.

Onix:

Nina (BoF3) vs  Sneff (CC)- Sneff bad.
Malak Galthana (FFT) Vs Taloon (DQ4)- Taloon is utter garbage. His slightly less shit moments when he bodyguards for you in early C5 save him from being sub Malak.
Noel Chandler (SO2) vs Mime (FFT)- Noel's not even close to a good replacement for Rena. He never gets revive, his status curing's late, he has no stat buffing, and he tends to learn valuable healing spells ten levels after Rena does. He still however owns the infinite fail of FFT mimes.
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Re: In game use week 3: Yuri everywhere in Godlike.
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2010, 06:26:47 AM »
Godlike:

haha what

Heavy:

Serge (CC) vs Nina (BoF4) - Serge doesn't really stand out until late.  Nina4 is pretty much cast MVP in my book meanwhile.

Middle:

Bowser (SMRPG) Vs Marivel Armitage (WA2) - Meh.  Marivel is late and requires too much investment to be much of a middle here.

Light:

Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs Nidoqueen (RBY) - Cyan has moments of usefulness.  Nidoqueen uh forces you to raise a Nidoran YESIU.

Onix:

Nina (BoF3) vs Sneff (CC) - Nina3 is at least kinda sorta useful at points early in the game!
Malak Galthana (FFT) Vs Taloon (DQ4) - It's Malak.
Noel Chandler (SO2) vs Mime (FFT) - what
Jagen (FE1) vs Maria (On foot, XG) - oh fuck this shit

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Re: In game use week 3: Yuri everywhere in Godlike.
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2010, 06:55:18 AM »
Godlike: -Everyone, please bold your votes and leave them in this format. I could it up by namesearching the tags (IE TimeLord (SaGa). Thanks.

TimeLord (SaGa) vs  Yuri Volte Hyuga (SH1)- Well... I did Asellus and Red.  BossX is mostly durable and can run TL out of JP, and Orlouge is functionally immune to TimeLeap, so... yeah, TL was great and worthwhile but didn't carry the team.
Ryu (BoF3) vs Yuri Lowell (ToV)- Ryu 3 and Yuna are basically the only 10s I gave out in Meeple's topic.  Yuri's good but I'm not entirely sure he's godlike here, let alone in Ryu's "I need no puny party members" tier.
Citan Uzuki (XG) vs Revya (SN)- How... do you judge this fairly, really?  Revya's a good unit in a game where no one unit makes or breaks your overall team... except!  Revya is basically your base.  How much credit to I give her for being systemically invaluable?  Does she get points for the ability to quickly deploy support where you need it, when you need it (ie where Revya is, right now)?  I dunno.
Falsetto (ES) vs Yuri Volte Hyuga (SH2)- No vote.


Heavy:

Serge (CC) vs Nina (BoF4)- Mm.  I kneejerk Serge, but I think that's just playstyle more.  I didn't combo very well in BoFIV so yeah.
Shania (SH3) vs Guv (DQ8)- Call Team's kinda novelty right when you first get it, so it mostly wrecks the lategame bosses.  Shania's more consistent.
Flik (S1) vs X (MMXCM)- Flik's solid and doesn't weigh you down when he's force (ie THE ENTIRE GAME) but I certainly would replace him if I could, if only to play around.
Hugo (S3) vs Terra Branford (FF6)- Kneejerk.

Middle:

Albert Serdio (LoD) vs Johnny (SH3)- Albert shines early and fades, Johnny shines late and is camera boy early... I tend to weigh endgame more though, especially considering that SH3 had fairly good bosses.
Guy (TotA) vs Fei Wong Fong (XG)- Hm.  Fei's quite good, if overshadowed by Citan (faster than everything important, forced so the DB development tends to be good, has one of the, uh, 4 useful spells in the game with Iron Valor).  Guy's nothing special as Tales characters go, but he's definitely the control-friendliest which can practically mean "automatically the best".  I'm assuming that all the XG characters are distinct from their Gears (that's how Meeple scored them, I remember)...  blah.  I suppose TotA is more gameplay oriented, so Guy it is.
Bowser (SMRPG) Vs Marivel Armitage (WA2)
Vitali (SN) vs Lilly (S3)

Light:

Genis Sage (ToS) vs Goto (MK2)- No vote.
Claude (SF2) vs Zhuzhen Liu (SH1)
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs Nidoqueen (RBY)
Duran (SD3) Vs Hanako (Disgaea 2)- No vote.

Onix:

Nina (BoF3) vs  Sneff (CC)- You could use about anyone in CC really.
Malak Galthana (FFT) Vs Taloon (DQ4)
Noel Chandler (SO2) vs Mime (FFT)- Hum.  I've never had a mime.  Despite trying.  So we'll fail it for the unlock requirements.
Jagen (FE1) vs Maria (On foot, XG)- Jagen basically has 6 points of Res and a couple extra defense going for him.  I don't think anything in the early going (I mean, before you can hit level 4 level here) was threatening enough to need that tankiness, and if that's the case then you're best off disarming him and never letting him see combat.  Maria can kill stuff in that dungeon she's forced and, while any other party member would be better, she's not an active liability (nothing can really kill her and there's no boss)
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Re: In game use week 3: Yuri everywhere in Godlike.
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2010, 06:58:56 AM »
TimeLord (SaGa) vs  Yuri Volte Hyuga (SH1) - TL is unnecessary to break SaGa, not to mention a pain to get. Once you've gotten him, you've broken the game, but he would have been most useful in the fight against himself. Yuri breaks the game late, but he's always around and always useful.
Ryu (BoF3) vs Yuri Lowell (ToV) - Both are game-breakers, but Yuri has to share the spotlight with Rita's gamebreaking, which is even easier.
Citan Uzuki (XG) vs Revya (SN) - Citan on foot is awesome. Citan in a Gear is worthless, and you spend far more time in the game in a Gear. Revya doesn't get broken until Demon Force/Blast, but she's always useful, and she can take advantage of room customization and Fusioned stats.
Falsetto (ES) vs Yuri Volte Hyuga (SH2) - Yuri is more available, but Yuri2 isn't as gamebreaking as Yuri1, or Falsetto once she gets going. ES's system -really- rewards building harmony chains and Falsetto can set them off by herself at endgame thanks to her speed and equips. Yuri1 would win this, but Falsetto just barely edges out Yuri2. She's a somewhat late-joiner, but just early enough that her game-breaking potency evens it out.

Heavy:

Serge (CC) vs Nina (BoF4) - Maybe if you got to keep Serge the whole game instead of spending 70% of it as Lynx.
Shania (SH3) vs Guv (DQ8) - Good match. Shania is great, but you -can- make a decent SH3 team without her. Even if you could have say... 2 Jessicas instead of Guv in DQ8, I'd keep Guv in the party.
Hugo (S3) vs Terra Branford (FF6) - Both really stand out in their large casts. But Terra is clearly gamebest while Hugo is just pretty good. Morph > TFR (especially with Hugo's Fire magic rating).

Middle:

Albert Serdio (LoD) vs Johnny (SH3) - See super.
Guy (TotA) vs Fei Wong Fong (XG) - Fei's Gears and solid ground stats easily surpass Guy's speed and usability edge. A Luke/Anise/Natalia combination (with your choice of pure mages) can handle the game just fine without Guy, though Guy tends to be the best of the fighters.
Bowser (SMRPG) Vs Marivel Armitage (WA2) - Availability.
Vitali (SN) vs Lilly (S3) - SN Clerics are awesome, and Vitali is the awesomest of them. Lilly is just a good S3 option.

Light:

Genis Sage (ToS) vs Goto (MK2) - At least magic had uses for tying up enemies and hitting weakness in ToS, Goto... doesn't have any use as far as I can tell?
Claude (SF2) vs Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) - The rest are not close.
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs Nidoqueen (RBY)
Duran (SD3) Vs Hanako (Disgaea 2)

Onix:

Nina (BoF3) vs  Sneff (CC) - Die in a fire.
Malak Galthana (FFT) Vs Taloon (DQ4) - Taloon had a lot of utility, just -not- as a fighter. Probably belongs in Light.
Noel Chandler (SO2) vs Mime (FFT) - Noel fails -really- hard.
Jagen (FE1) vs Maria (On foot, XG) - Hahahahahaha. This is cute. Jagen can conceivably have some use as a weaponless target, Maria on foot is a forced liability of Banon-level fail.

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Re: In game use week 3: Yuri everywhere in Godlike.
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2010, 07:15:48 AM »
What the fuck is up with my Godlike voting. Use less NR.

Heavy:

Serge (CC) vs Nina (BoF4): The playthrough I did where I turned her into a fighter and she was still awesome shows how good she is. i.e. Serge has a decent stat lead over other CCers, Nina has a better one. Oh yeah and she's your best healer.
Shania (SH3) vs Guv (DQ8): Guv is only decent outside Call Team, and even CT isn't totally gamebreaking or anything. Definitely think Shania's early Arc spells, stat dominance, and lategame Dream Porter total rape (why yes I would like 2 free actions a fight) outweighs that. Shania a division below SH2 Yuri is itself pretty suspect but oh well, I've ranted about this before.
Flik (S1) vs X (MMXCM): Good boss fighter, and Charge Shot can be made rather good for randoms, yeah.
Hugo (S3) vs Terra Branford (FF6): MVP vs. very good.

Middle:

Albert Serdio (LoD) vs Johnny (SH3): Johnny's really good at the end, Albert is really good Disc 2ish when Gust of Wind Dance dominates. I sorta feel Albert is better overall outside the two's shining moments due to Rose Storm (the half damage MT buff).
Guy (TotA) vs Fei Wong Fong (XG): Fei has decent level leads at points which help out. I dunno, apathetic here.
Bowser (SMRPG) Vs Marivel Armitage (WA2): Marivel for Light. Seriously, what the fuck is she doing a division above Tim. Also Bowser rules when you first get him and Terror maintains use for a while even as his stat edge falls off.

Light:

Claude (SF2) vs Zhuzhen Liu (SH1): Never got Claude, so I should probably abstain. Bit of a scrub match.
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs Nidoqueen (RBY): Nidorans suck, Cyan is... okay... early... kinda...

Onix:

Nina (BoF3) vs Sneff (CC): Right, earlygame Nina was just fine, not sure why I blanked on that. Taloon situation.
Malak Galthana (FFT) Vs Taloon (DQ4): Slaughter, Taloon isn't that bad.
Noel Chandler (SO2) vs Mime (FFT): Mime for ETERNAL ONIX CHAMPION.
Jagen (FE1) vs Maria (On foot, XG): Jagen is the only one who can use the Silver Lance for the first 4 chapters which gives him some oomph. Probably doesn't belong in the division to me, there are far worse FE1ers!
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Re: In game use week 3: Yuri everywhere in Godlike.
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2010, 07:28:20 AM »
Heavy:

Shania (SH3) vs Guv (DQ8) - Not close.  Shania is completely awesome, your best offense, tanky, can heal in emergencies (like vs. Lady).  SP not really a big concern either.  Guv?  I don't give him personal credit for Call Team anyway, that's a team-ability that he happens to get to key in, like giving credit to Suikoden combos to the person who enters it first.  Guv's solid, anyway, has a nice niche in MT damage from Rangs->Zap->Gigaslash with Omniheal for emergencies, but DQ8 was a well-balanced game, so it's hard to say he stands out too much relatively (Basically Jessica > Guv = Angelo >> Yangus.  "Better than Yangus" only goes so far.).
Hugo (S3) vs Terra Branford (FF6) - Pre-Espers, has magic, which means team-healing (even if the damage isn't that special).  Post-Espers, less special, but has a high magic stat and plenty of time to develop it.

Middle:

Albert Serdio (LoD) vs Johnny (SH3) - Albert is pretty great, Johnny is...  a mildly fastish mage.  Which is usable - not on board the Johnny for Light hype - but nothing special.  (Awaker gets 0 credit as usual off Johnny's bad SP and spells that do as much damage anyway.)
Guy (TotA) vs Fei Wong Fong (XG) - XG has worse party balance than TotA.  Guy's fun but everyone non-Anise feels about the same tier of usability to me.

Onix:

Malak Galthana (FFT) Vs Taloon (DQ4) - Malak spoils a very specific type of enemy which basically never appears in-game, the 10 Faith types.  He's less useful than Finger Guard, as there is a sole Mediator you fight in the game in the Olan battle.
Noel Chandler (SO2) vs Mime (FFT) - "Can be accessed reasonably" vs. "Cannot be accessed reasonably."
Jagen (FE1) vs Maria (On foot, XG) - Maria is not a complete liability when forced, true, but there is 0 reason to use her when not forced.  Jagen there is 0.3 reason to use him when not forced in the first few maps, so.

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Re: In game use week 3: Yuri everywhere in Godlike.
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2010, 07:47:24 AM »
Godlike:

Ryu (BoF3) vs Yuri Lowell (ToV)
Citan Uzuki (XG) vs Revya (SN)

Middle:

Guy (TotA) vs Fei Wong Fong (XG): Masochism reigns.
Bowser (SMRPG) Vs Marivel Armitage (WA2)
Vitali (SN) vs Lilly (S3)

Light:

Genis Sage (ToS) vs Goto (MK2)

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Re: In game use week 3: Yuri everywhere in Godlike.
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2010, 10:49:02 AM »
Light:
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs Nidoqueen (RBY) - Serves use as an HM slave, if nothing else. Cyan really, REALLY sucks.

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Re: In game use week 3: Yuri everywhere in Godlike.
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2010, 02:57:42 PM »
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Malak Galthana (FFT) Vs Taloon (DQ4) - Malak spoils a very specific type of enemy which basically never appears in-game, the 10 Faith types.  He's less useful than Finger Guard, as there is a sole Mediator you fight in the game in the Olan battle.

There are mediators as randoms in a few places, and you fight several. They are absolute, utter shit as enemies and FG is a waste of 100 JP.
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Re: In game use week 3: Yuri everywhere in Godlike.
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2010, 03:01:18 PM »
Yeah, 3 enemies Mediators in the game (plus the rare possibility of more in randoms), although the one in the Olan battle doesn't have Mediator JP I believe so it is 2 for the purpose of this discussion. This still beats the number of enemies Malak can fight that both have less than 45 Faith and aren't outright immune to Untruth: zero. (assuming original FFT obviously)

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Re: In game use week 3: Yuri everywhere in Godlike.
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2010, 03:13:06 PM »
TimeLord (SaGa) vs  Yuri Volte Hyuga (SH1) Is around more and is generally rediculously good.
Ryu (BoF3) vs Yuri Lowell (ToV) Yuri is somewhat replacable, Ryu less so.

Heavy:

Serge (CC) vs Nina (BoF4) Only good healer in a fairly difficult game.
Shania (SH3) vs Guv (DQ8) This matchup could be in Godlike. Shania isn't as good as the Yuris, but she's pretty close. However, Guv is just awesome.
Hugo (S3) vs Terra Branford (FF6) This is another good matchup.

Middle:

Bowser (SMRPG) Vs Marivel Armitage (WA2)
Vitali (SN) vs Lilly (S3)

Light:

Genis Sage (ToS) vs Goto (MK2)
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs Nidoqueen (RBY) Nidos smash earlygame.

Onix:

Nina (BoF3) vs  Sneff (CC)
Malak Galthana (FFT)  Vs Taloon (DQ4)
Noel Chandler (SO2) vs Mime (FFT)

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Re: In game use week 3: Yuri everywhere in Godlike.
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2010, 04:07:04 PM »
Falsetto (ES) vs Yuri Volte Hyuga (SH2)

Heavy:

Shania (SH3) vs Guv (DQ8)- Shania isn't that impressive all things considering and I frown on such things as taking off clothes to transform, as I don't like it and she's fugly. Guv meanwhile has Call team where he can summon the unkillable damage god Mazan. Mazan > Yuri1, Yuri2, Shania and everyone else that exists in SH games.

Light:

Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs Nidoqueen (RBY) - Cyan fills in an empty spot when no-one else can. Nidoqueen just fails.

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Re: In game use week 3: Yuri everywhere in Godlike.
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2010, 06:41:27 PM »

Heavy:

Serge (CC) vs Nina (BoF4)- Close one, but I think the mastermune tips it to Serge.
Hugo (S3) vs Terra Branford (FF6)- This seems right

Middle:

Guy (TotA) vs Fei Wong Fong (XG)- Um why is Fei in middle? Hes fast and powerful. Guy is good, but not great.


Light:

Genis Sage (ToS) vs Goto (MK2)- um... I think. Goto was pretty darn bad
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs Nidoqueen (RBY)- Cyans use in forced fights is fine


Onix:

Nina (BoF3) vs  Sneff (CC)- Wasnt Nina 3 already used in light? She doesnt belong in Onix.
Malak Galthana (FFT) Vs Taloon (DQ4)- Taloon can at least steal things randomly (at least in the remake.)
Noel Chandler (SO2) vs Mime (FFT) - Anyone>>>>>>> Mime
Jagen (FE1) vs Maria (On foot, XG)- Jagen can soften things up, foot Maria sucks

Is it sad that the only division I can vote on all the matches is the Onix?

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Re: In game use week 3: Yuri everywhere in Godlike.
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2010, 08:02:22 PM »
TimeLord (SaGa) vs  Yuri Volte Hyuga (SH1) - Were TL available the whole game, I guess I'd give it to TL. However, you have Yuri for the entire game sans a very short stint and he's your MVP from the get-go, turning into retardation by midgame and never letting up. TL is kinda available for half the game at best, and that feels the clincher for me.
Citan Uzuki (XG) vs Revya (SN) - Doooon't really feel like giving Revya credit for summoning. The stat dominance and the lategame MAP are cool, but Citan basically does near everything off gamebest stats.

Heavy:

Serge (CC) vs Nina (BoF4) - Nina4 might swing Godlike in a good day. Champ now.
Shania (SH3) vs Guv (DQ8) - Yeah, Guv is like Angelo - before Call Team, and after, it isn't even complete broken. Shania... um... the stat dominance and skillset dominance are ridonkulous, and she probably deserves Godlike.
Flik (S1) vs X (MMXCM) - Got much mileage out of X. Competent on both randoms and bosses? Yes please. Flik is solid too, but... feels less uniquely useful.
Hugo (S3) vs Terra Branford (FF6) - Game-best PC vs. only very good PC.

Middle:

Albert Serdio (LoD) vs Johnny (SH3) - I guess. Gust of Wind Dance dominates the midgame and Rose Storm is decent.
Guy (TotA) vs Fei Wong Fong (XG) - Eh. I guess Guy felt like the only non-Natalia PC worth controlling, and I got along well with his combos - including his semi-infinite. Sorta close match and changes by taste.
Bowser (SMRPG) Vs Marivel Armitage (WA2) - Marivel is shit.
Vitali (SN) vs Lilly (S3) - Lilly is pretty solid! Vitali is just about the best cleric - and an early one - in a game where having one in your squad makes a huge difference.

Light:

Claude (SF2) vs Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) - Claude is like Kiwi - that joins late. Zhuzhen at least pulls some weight early.
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs Nidoqueen (RBY) - BUT NIDORINA IS A GFAQS MEME

Onix:

Nina (BoF3) vs Sneff (CC) - HP SHUFFLING
Malak Galthana (FFT) vs Taloon (DQ4) - zomg spoiling ridiculously rare low-faith types and failing everywhere else
Noel Chandler (SO2) vs Mime (FFT) - Needs more LFT Mime.
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Re: In game use week 3: Yuri everywhere in Godlike.
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2010, 09:19:24 PM »
Godlike: -Everyone, please bold your votes and leave them in this format. I could it up by namesearching the tags (IE TimeLord (SaGa). Thanks. - So we only have to do this in Godlike right???

TimeLord (SaGa) vs  Yuri Volte Hyuga (SH1)
Ryu (BoF3) vs Yuri Lowell (ToV) - Yuri in-game hype is so overrated.
Citan Uzuki (XG) vs Revya (SN)
Falsetto (ES) vs Yuri Volte Hyuga (SH2)


Heavy:

Serge (CC) vs Nina (BoF4) - Slaughter.
Shania (SH3) vs Guv (DQ8)
Flik (S1) vs X (MMXCM) - Flik was worth using?  Fooled me.
Hugo (S3) vs Terra Branford (FF6)

Middle:

Albert Serdio (LoD) vs Johnny (SH3)
Guy (TotA) vs Fei Wong Fong (XG)
Bowser (SMRPG) Vs Marivel Armitage (WA2) - Marivel is a division above Tim because Tim was misranked.  >.>
Vitali (SN) vs Lilly (S3)

Light:

Genis Sage (ToS) vs Goto (MK2) - I think Goto Romancing's 75% Unite gauge boost puts him above Genis.  Fail, Genis.
Claude (SF2) vs Zhuzhen Liu (SH1)
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs Nidoqueen (RBY)
Duran (SD3) Vs Hanako (Disgaea 2)

Onix:

Nina (BoF3) vs  Sneff (CC)
Malak Galthana (FFT) Vs Taloon (DQ4)
Noel Chandler (SO2) vs Mime (FFT)
Jagen (FE1) vs Maria (On foot, XG)

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Re: In game use week 3: Yuri everywhere in Godlike.
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2010, 09:09:56 AM »
GODLIKE

Citan Uzuki (XG) vs Revya (SN): Citan/Hyuga on foot is the most useful and/or broken character in any RPG I've ever played.  Considering how much rediculously better he is than the rest of the cast, I'd vote this way even if you give Revya credit for summoning because Hyuga could probably solo Soul Nomad.  Maybe that's a slight exaggeration.
Maybe.

HEAVY

Serge (CC) vs Nina (BoF4): Nina is the only meaningful healer for much of the game, in a game that allows switching between combat rounds.  Serge never felt dominant to me.

Hugo (S3) vs Terra Branford (FF6): At *worst* Terra is the endgame MVP and a vital healer in the earlygame, whereas I consider Hugo the weakest of the three Sui3 mains.

MIDDLE

Guy (TotA) vs Fei Wong Fong (XG): Can't vote, but Fei in middle kind of shocks me.  On foot, he's quite a bit better than the non-Hyuga cast until Emeralda, and she only pulls ahead in the aftergame.  In his gear he's the MVP.  Certainly I'd vote him over any of the Heavies I know this round other than Terra.

Vitali (SN) vs Lilly (S3): Heals the whole room vs. completely replaceable Suikoden fighter.

LIGHT

Claude (SF2) vs Zhuzhen Liu (SH1):  Zhuzhen is better, but Claude only takes up 1/12 your character slots and, depending on who you've leveled and how, he might even be a bad choice for the 12th slot.  Going with Zhuzhen, narrowly, because he's not replacing someone else in some stretches of the game.  Oddly enough, I've used both all the way through!

Onix:

Nina (BoF3) vs  Sneff (CC): Not-very-good but well rounded caster who is absolutely vital in certain stretches... vs. scrub from a game with a large cast in which better options are already available.

Noel Chandler (SO2) vs Mime (FFT): Noel is useful in some kind of weird endgame setup, I think?  Mimes not only take up a party slot, they take up one of your already leveled characters, AND they take forever to get.  They go beyond the impossible (-ly bad) and kick utility to the curb!
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Re: In game use week 3: Yuri everywhere in Godlike.
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2010, 03:54:48 PM »
In response to a couple of comments, I'm pretty sure that the XG characters are just the characters, not their gears (hence Citan in Godlike despite Heimdal being meh, Fei in Middle despite Weltall2/Xenogears being broken, Maria in Onix). I know they were rated separately in the topic that was used as the basis for this, too.

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Re: In game use week 3: Yuri everywhere in Godlike.
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2010, 04:15:57 PM »
Godlike: -Everyone, please bold your votes and leave them in this format. I could it up by namesearching the tags (IE TimeLord (SaGa). Thanks.

Fail


Heavy:

Serge (CC) vs Nina (BoF4)- Pretty sure I relied on Nina more than I had to... but I did.  Doesn't help Serge that CC was a joke.
Hugo (S3) vs Terra Branford (FF6)- Ehh... never felt Terra was really that necessary.  Morph is good for bosses, but I rarely actually needed it.  Also because of Espers and OP relics she was most useful in special playthroughs.  Hugo wasn't the gamebest either, but seemed more needed than Terra.

Middle:

More fail for me

Light:

Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs Nidoqueen (RBY)- Wow Cyan sucks past the early game when Tech 1 OHKOs everything, but... Nidoqueen is just fail.


Onix:

Nina (BoF3) vs  Sneff (CC)- LOL Sneff.
Malak Galthana (FFT) Vs Taloon (DQ4)- Repeat
Noel Chandler (SO2) vs Mime (FFT)- I love Onix
Jagen (FE1) vs Maria (On foot, XG)- Umm another FE that I cannot remember at all and no doubt didn't use.  (This is a bit unfair since you can only use like 1/3 of the cast and I only played FE1 once.)

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Re: In game use week 3: Yuri everywhere in Godlike.
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2010, 04:20:47 PM »
Godlike:

TimeLord (SaGa) vs  Yuri Volte Hyuga (SH1): Yuri is merely game best PC by a pretty typical, if still noteworthy, amount, and he's hardly broken in any real sense...in Asia.  Europe, on the otherhand...Timelord would need Stasis Rune to really stand a chance, and be available for longer and in more quests, and even then, I'm not sure he wins.
Ryu (BoF3) vs Yuri Lowell (ToV): ToV Yuri is typical Tales Main Goodness, which is not a Godlike if you ask me (Tyrant Fist is NOT trivial to pull fof and available for a minority of the game.)  Ryu3, meanwhile, is game best PC WITHOUT Dragons, which is really quite disgusting there and then.
Citan Uzuki (XG) vs Revya (SN): Can't vote.
Falsetto (ES) vs Yuri Volte Hyuga (SH2): Can't vote.  That said, seriously, super, 3 Yuris in one round and one division?  There's no way you did that by accident <_<


Heavy:

Serge (CC) vs Nina (BoF4): Serge is good, but a bit replacable before Mastermune, at least if replacing him was an option.  Nina4 is your best healer by far, COMBINED with being a good cannon in game (DL doesn't really do her justice here, cause MT damage is so much better in BoF4, and Combo Attacks often upped her damage considerably, especially with all the ANti-physical monstrosities late game.)
Shania (SH3) vs Guv (DQ8): Shania being below ToV Yuri feels wrong.  That said...Guv's a typical case of "Well Rounded main whose good at everything", Shania's pretty much your MVP the entire game though.
Flik (S1) vs  X (MMXCM): Hmm...while Flik is technically more replacable, he stands out A LOT in a cast that size which is nothing to scoff at.  Meanwhile, X is a reliable source of MT Offense if twinked, and one of your best Boss fighters, and...practically unkillable in Hyper Mode to boot.  Its a tough one, but I think I'll just go with how its easier to make use of X's abilities omre consistently, due to Suikoden MP being slightly limited which hurts Flik's use.  Damn good match up.
Hugo (S3) vs Terra Branford (FF6): It says something that her worst moment is when she's your only healer while still retaining steady offense.  Hugo takes quite a bit of time to get going, and while good...felt most replacable of the Suiko Mains in this game.

Middle:

Albert Serdio (LoD) vs Johnny (SH3): I decided that Rose Storm is something that no PC in LoD can mimic at all; while its not required, its a damned nice trick that is one of the reasons Albert, despite the Kongol-like stat spread, is actually worth considering.  Johnny fails to be really worth anything noteworthy for a good part of the game.
Guy (TotA) vs Fei Wong Fong (XG): I respect a Tales Swordsmen more than Fei *shrugs*
Bowser (SMRPG) Vs Marivel Armitage (WA2): Marivel is gotten late and takes a while to get going.  Bowser is overpowered when you first get him, and actually takes a while to finally start falling back.
Vitali (SN) vs Lilly (S3): Can't vote.

Light:

Genis Sage (ToS) vs Goto (MK2): Can't vote.
Claude (SF2) vs Zhuzhen Liu (SH1): SH1 PCs are, at worst, Item Boy/Girls.  Zhuzhen is also pretty good in Asia, outdamaging Yuri for a brief period when he gets that late Asia move, and there's moments where he's required to take up a 3rd slot, meaning he's taking a slot that WOULD be blank, which is useful.  Claude...yeah...
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs Nidoqueen (RBY): Nidoqueen is pretty bad.  Cyan's at least competent through the Magitek Factory, and due to FF6's nature, not being Umaro means you have a minimal level of use.  Same cannot be said for weak Pokemon though.
Duran (SD3) Vs Hanako (Disgaea 2): Duran can be turned into a Healer and Sabers are cool stuff, and makes a good Aura Wave PC.  This makes him better than people give him credit for (For all that he's still not very good.)

Onix:

Nina (BoF3) vs  Sneff (CC): Awful in a huge cast like CC is much worse than being awful in a cast of 6.  At least Nina3 has moments where she's forced, thus taking up a warm body with some offense...even if she's really bad at it.
Malak Galthana (FFT) Vs Taloon (DQ4): IN the end, Malak can at least be used like a low faith Generic, Taloon's pretty much condemned to suck.
Noel Chandler (SO2) vs Mime (FFT): Say what you will about Noel, he doesn't require you to go through a shit load of work just to unlock.  He also has post battle healing or somtehing.
Jagen (FE1) vs Maria (On foot, XG): Jagen could be reclassed into a Wyvern and...such...slightly...less.  Maria, meanwhile, on foot isn't nearly as bad as people sometimes make her out to be.  Oh, she sucks, sure, but at least she can do stuff.  Now, if this game had modern FE factors like Rescuing, I might have to think about this!
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Re: In game use week 3: Yuri everywhere in Godlike.
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2010, 12:52:32 AM »
Godlike: -Everyone, please bold your votes and leave them in this format. I could it up by namesearching the tags (IE TimeLord (SaGa). Thanks.

Citan Uzuki (XG) vs Revya (SN) - Never really bothered summoning squads near the endgame, Revya alone is enough. Citan, on the other hand, while great, still has contenders for his party spot.

Heavy:

Serge (CC) vs Nina (BoF4) - Fast, sets off combos, casts the healing magic VS... a character that's just as customisable as pretty much every other character (and less than one).
Flik (S1) vs X (MMXCM) - Charge shot.
Hugo (S3) vs Terra Branford (FF6) - ... Huh. What's Hugo doing in Heavy? He's really not great. Maybe with Fubar, but that takes two party slots for one (godly) attacker.

Middle:

Guy (TotA) vs Fei Wong Fong (XG) - Fong Wong, isn't it? Free Dash early on VS Fei spell pool.
Vitali (SN) vs Lilly (S3) - Durable healer VS not-so-durable... what?

Light:

Genis Sage (ToS) vs Goto (MK2) - Don't get me wrong, Genis is good, only source of real attack magic and stuff, but... I dunno, Goto can be switched in during fights.
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs Nidoqueen (RBY) - I only got Nidoqueen for my Pokeydex.
Duran (SD3) Vs Hanako (Disgaea 2) - Man, both of these are worth nothing. Q_Q

Onix:

Nina (BoF3) vs  Sneff (CC)
Noel Chandler (SO2) vs Mime (FFT) - Mime is utterly useless, but I like it more than Noel.
Jagen (FE1) vs Maria (On foot, XG) - Jagen can be used at first and only sucks after midgame, Maria sucks forever.

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Re: In game use week 3: Yuri everywhere in Godlike.
« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2010, 01:15:17 AM »
Godlike: -Everyone, please bold your votes and leave them in this format. I could it up by namesearching the tags (IE TimeLord (SaGa). Thanks.

TimeLord (SaGa) vs  Yuri Volte Hyuga (SH1) - Yuri.  Humans are way, way better than Mystics.  Guns are the brokenest weapons, really - TimeLord has a good set-up, but...seriously, you won't miss him if you use a bunch of generic humans...
Ryu (BoF3) vs Yuri Lowell (ToV) - Ryu.  Eh.  Yeah.
Citan Uzuki (XG) vs Revya (SN) - Revya.  Citan...gear isn't special, foot doesn't get much exposure - you fight, what, 3 major bosses?  The gear counts more than the character, really, and Revya...is your base.  And with a bit of smartness, you don't have to worry about dying - stat stealing is fun.
Falsetto (ES) vs Yuri Volte Hyuga (SH2) - Yuri.  Falsetto is badass...a lot.  Yuri...just does a lot more than hit things.


Heavy:

Serge (CC) vs Nina (BoF4) - Nina
Shania (SH3) vs Guv (DQ8) - Guv.  I found his abilities less replaceable than Shania's. 
Flik (S1) vs X (MMXCM) - X.  Suikoden is interchangeable.
Hugo (S3) vs Terra Branford (FF6) - Terra.  For all that both are interchangeable.

Middle:

Albert Serdio (LoD) vs Johnny (SH3) - Johnny.  LoD...never have I found Dragoon magic to make a difference.  Johnny...Snap.  It owns the rest of LoD.
Guy (TotA) vs Fei Wong Fong (XG) - Fei.  The gear lifts Fei up a lot.
Bowser (SMRPG) Vs Marivel Armitage (WA2) - Bowser.  Has Terrorize and strong starting stats.
Vitali (SN) vs Lilly (S3) - Vitali.  An interchangeable cleric > Suikoden in general.

Light:

Genis Sage (ToS) vs Goto (MK2) - Goto.  Genis.
Claude (SF2) vs Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) - Zhuzhen.  Heals.
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs Nidoqueen (RBY) - Cyan.  BLAH.
Duran (SD3) Vs Hanako (Disgaea 2) - Duran.

Onix: Are we still voting for the worst?

Nina (BoF3) vs  Sneff (CC) - Sneff
Malak Galthana (FFT) Vs Taloon (DQ4) - Malak
Noel Chandler (SO2) vs Mime (FFT) - Mime
Jagen (FE1) vs Maria (On foot, XG) - Maria
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Re: In game use week 3: Yuri everywhere in Godlike.
« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2010, 01:57:21 AM »
Godlike: -Everyone, please bold your votes and leave them in this format. I could it up by namesearching the tags (IE TimeLord (SaGa). Thanks.

TimeLord (SaGa) vs  Yuri Volte Hyuga (SH1) - Not particularly close, IMO.
Ryu (BoF3) vs Yuri Lowell (ToV) - Haven't beaten ToV yet, don't think I need to for this.
Citan Uzuki (XG) vs Revya (SN) - Haven't gotten Revya's frue broked or something yet.
Falsetto (ES) vs Yuri Volte Hyuga (SH2) - No ES

Heavy:

Serge (CC) vs Nina (BoF4) - Oof. Serge is good. Serge is damned good. But...not as vital as Nina4.
Shania (SH3) vs Guv (DQ8) - Shania isn't in Godlike why?
Flik (S1) vs X (MMXCM) - Kinda torn here, going with X on a gutcheck.
Hugo (S3) vs Terra Branford (FF6) - See Snow

Middle:

Albert Serdio (LoD) vs Johnny (SH3) - As much as I like Albert, I found Johnny to be great as a fast mage. Plus snap. I dunno, maybe it's been too long since I played LoD.
Guy (TotA) vs Fei Wong Fong (XG) - Assuming since Maria is listed as On Foot and Fei is not, that his gear performance counts here. In which case, splat.
Bowser (SMRPG) Vs Marivel Armitage (WA2) - Marivel is in Middle why?
Vitali (SN) vs Lilly (S3) - Lily is solid, but Vitali's healing is better.

Light:

Genis Sage (ToS) vs Goto (MK2) - Haven't played that much MK2 yet.
Claude (SF2) vs Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) - Nothing to say here.
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs Nidoqueen (RBY) - Nidoqueen isn't as bad as all that, but Cyan is definately better. Which is...saying something, I suppose.
Duran (SD3) Vs Hanako (Disgaea 2) - Duran is not that bad, damn.

Onix:

Nina (BoF3) vs  Sneff (CC) - Nina 3 is not Onix material.
Malak Galthana (FFT) Vs Taloon (DQ4) - Malak has Mdef at least? I dunno. Think I'd rather have him then Taloon.
Noel Chandler (SO2) vs Mime (FFT) - Non-LFT Mime is sad.
Jagen (FE1) vs Maria (On foot, XG) - See Elfboy.
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Re: In game use week 3: Yuri everywhere in Godlike.
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2010, 02:37:02 PM »
Heavy
Serge (CC) vs Nina (BoF4)
Shania (SH3) vs Guv (DQ8)- Never really got a feel for Shania =/

Middle:

Albert Serdio (LoD) vs Johnny (SH3 - Never really got a feel for Johnny either =/ Albert ... always felt like a solid choice to go with any party ... probably my favourite to go with Meru apart from Haschel (Rose Storm/Rainbow Breath > Faust) All around solid for physicals for most of the game, his offensive magic isn't bad on wind weak enemies either (it's over nine thoouusand!) and Rose Storm must be pure gold for a Albert/Dart/Kongol team >.>

Light:
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs Nidoqueen (RBY)
 
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Re: In game use week 3: Yuri everywhere in Godlike.
« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2010, 01:35:30 PM »
Godlike:

TimeLord (SaGa) vs  Yuri Volte Hyuga (SH1)

Heavy:

Serge (CC) vs Nina (BoF4)
Shania (SH3) vs Guv (DQ8) - Call Team takes a long time to become much more than a novelty.
Flik (S1) vs X (MMXCM)
Hugo (S3) vs Terra Branford (FF6) - Close, to me - Terra has the absent periods, but smashes what she does get. Hugo is solid all the way through, but... mmm, yeah. Hugo could probably have beaten most the rest of the field to me, but Terra's high-octane.

Middle:

Albert Serdio (LoD) vs Johnny (SH3) - Eh, whatevs.
Bowser (SMRPG) Vs Marivel Armitage (WA2) - ahahahaha to this being a Middle match. Also ahahahahaha  to Marivel in general - joins way too late and requires hunting down skills.

Light:

Claude (SF2) vs Zhuzhen Liu (SH1)
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs Nidoqueen (RBY) - Going with the one that is forced into your team for even ten seconds.

Onix:

Nina (BoF3) vs  Sneff (CC)
Malak Galthana (FFT) Vs Taloon (DQ4) - Has FFT job system available, ergo cannot fail massively unless he joined in the UBR. Taloon's not spectacularly horrible but can't compete there, even with Malak's base deficiencies.
Noel Chandler (SO2) vs Mime (FFT) - LFT would make this swing totally in the opposite direction, but... Mime takes way too stupidlong to get normally, later than even Noel, and Mime is more niche than even a sucky vague tankhealer.