Author Topic: Season 58, Week 2: Shady's the most competent boss in light this week. Sad.  (Read 2575 times)

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Godlike:

3-Lavos (CT) vs Purim (SoM)
Naoto Shirogane (Pers4) vs Claude Kenni (SO2)
Jessica Albert (DQ8) vs Shania (SH3)
Zog (BoF1) vs 2-Profound Darkness (PS4)

Heavy:

3-Masaji Kato (SH2) vs Lloyd Irving (ToS)
Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) vs Mazus (S2)
Lenus (LoD) vs Popoi (SoM)
Eileen (S1) vs 2-Red (SaGa)

Middle:

4-Swampert (PKMN) vs Isabel (S5)
Mitsuru (Pers3) vs Jeane (Suikos)
Twaikan (S3) vs Jude Maverick (WA4)
Lemina Ausa (Lunar:EBC) vs 2-Sceptile (PKMN)

Light:

3-Katarina (S4) vs Hugh Thompson (PS2)
Shady Thousand (WA3) vs Isadora (FE7)
Labyrinthia Wordsworth (XF) vs Banon (FF6)
Alenia (S5) vs 2-Gordon (Dis1)
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Godlike:

3-Lavos (CT) vs Purim (SoM)- Way too much offense.
Naoto Shirogane (Pers4) vs Claude Kenni (SO2)- Claude immunes ID. Bye, Naoto.
Jessica Albert (DQ8) vs Shania (SH3)- I have no idea.
Zog (BoF1) vs 2-Profound Darkness (PS4)- Zog doesn't like magic, etc.

Heavy:

Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) vs Mazus (S2)- OHKOs pretty easily.
Lenus (LoD) vs Popoi (SoM)- It's Lenus.
Eileen (S1) vs 2-Red (SaGa)- Don't think I give Red Swords, which he needs for at least the stun part. He has to have a turn with CF down to win, and status is the only way to do that. Fist status sucks.

Middle:

4-Swampert (PKMN) vs Isabel (S5)- No clue. Anyone have suggestions? "Competent/bland fighters going at it" sums this match up.
Twaikan (S3) vs Jude Maverick (WA4)- Jude tinks here.
Lemina Ausa (Lunar:EBC) vs 2-Sceptile (PKMN)- High grade elemental magic makes Sceptile run screaming.

Light:

3-Katarina (S4) vs Hugh Thompson (PS2)- SL at worst to buy her more time. She should smash pretty easily.
Shady Thousand (WA3) vs Isadora (FE7)- Shady for puny.
Labyrinthia Wordsworth (XF) vs Banon (FF6)- Labby's not much better than Shady, at that. Banon can run her out of MP/VP and just poke her once to win.
Alenia (S5) vs 2-Gordon (Dis1)- It's Alenia.
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Godlike:

3-Lavos (CT) vs Purim (SoM) - Well, according to the stat topic, Central Lavos does give up its first turn, which is normally a really bad thing to do vs. Purim.  I'd actually give it to her if Crying Heavens wasn't a OHKO and Wall wasn't suicidal.
Jessica Albert (DQ8) vs Shania (SH3)- Magic Burst, much faster.

Heavy:

3-Masaji Kato (SH2) vs Lloyd Irving (ToS) - I think this requires OHKO hype for Lloyd, and don't scale Kato against sidequest brokenness.
Lenus (LoD) vs Popoi (SoM) - Double-turns through Energy Drain.

Middle:

Twaikan (S3) vs Jude Maverick (WA4) - Um.

Light:

Shady Thousand (WA3) vs Isadora (FE7) - Um?
Labyrinthia Wordsworth (XF) vs Banon (FF6) - Labby needs like 3 criticals in a row -> Lightning to win here.  Which can happen!  But yeah no.
Alenia (S5) vs 2-Gordon (Dis1) - What could a Defender of Earth possibly do against the mighty power of the Twilight Rune's lvl. 1 spell?  Alenia for eternal Godlike champion.

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3-Lavos (CT) vs Purim (SoM): Yeah.
Jessica Albert (DQ8) vs Shania (SH3): Lame.
Zog (BoF1) vs 2-Profound Darkness (PS4): Powerful magic in all forms, no worse otherwise.

Heavy:

Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) vs Mazus (S2): Quickdraw. Assuming Mazus is faster?
Lenus (LoD) vs Popoi (SoM): Lenus.

Middle:

4-Swampert (PKMN) vs Isabel (S5): Hmm, unsure offhand.
Twaikan (S3) vs Jude Maverick (WA4): No clue here, both have issues against each other.
Lemina Ausa (Lunar:EBC) vs 2-Sceptile (PKMN): Note to Super, Lemina's elemental magic damage is garbage. Sceptile 2HKOs her horrible HP first, and likely has a 3-2 even if I'm underrating her mdur.

Light:

Shady Thousand (WA3) vs Isadora (FE7): Isadora for Puny. Shady 3HKOs her and her damage is horrid if she doesn't want to be doubled.
Labyrinthia Wordsworth (XF) vs Banon (FF6): Heals forever.
Alenia (S5) vs 2-Gordon (Dis1): Yikes.

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Godlike:

3-Lavos (CT) vs Purim (SoM)
Naoto Shirogane (Pers4) vs Claude Kenni (SO2)
Jessica Albert (DQ8) vs Shania (SH3)
Zog (BoF1) vs 2-Profound Darkness (PS4)

Heavy:

3-Masaji Kato (SH2) vs Lloyd Irving (ToS)
Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) vs Mazus (S2)- Yep, faster.
Lenus (LoD) vs Popoi (SoM)
Eileen (S1) vs 2-Red (SaGa)- Unsure on what I give REd.

Middle:

4-Swampert (PKMN) vs Isabel (S5)- Unsure
Mitsuru (Pers3) vs Jeane (Suikos)
Twaikan (S3) vs Jude Maverick (WA4)- Jude can get a lot of hits! Of really bad damage and at low accuracy. Hates what that defense does to his damage.
Lemina Ausa (Lunar:EBC) vs 2-Sceptile (PKMN)- Isn't Catastrophe Omni-Elemental, meaning it tears most undurable Pokemon in 2?

Light:

3-Katarina (S4) vs Hugh Thompson (PS2)
Labyrinthia Wordsworth (XF) vs Banon (FF6)
Alenia (S5) vs 2-Gordon (Dis1)
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Jessica Albert (DQ8) vs Shania (SH3): Yeah, should OHKO.

Heavy:

Eileen (S1) vs 2-Red (SaGa): Even swords wouldn't save red to me, I think. I doubt he OHKOs, meaning he'd need 2 timely stuns, and that's too unreliable. Plus Eileen hits rather hard - one CF might last long enough for her to kill.

Middle:

4-Swampert (PKMN) vs Isabel (S5): We need better info on what S5 elemental resist values actually do. Isabel is faster but she can't chip around Torrent, so she needs pretty good water res to not be 2HKOed by hydro pump. She can get 1 point of it for a minimal sacrifice, but a second point requires her to drop to below average defense and take only 1 point of earth res, meaning an EQ 2HKO is a serious danger. So... how good is 1 point of elemental resistance? Someone test this out.
Twaikan (S3) vs Jude Maverick (WA4): Jude may not tink but what he does slip through isn't enough. I don'tbuy either of the arguments that would let him outslug (his low damage blokcer or evade).
Lemina Ausa (Lunar:EBC) vs 2-Sceptile (PKMN): I'll ce surprised if Dhyer isn't right.

Light:

Shady Thousand (WA3) vs Isadora (FE7): Yeah, killers are how FE fighters do good damage to me and Isadora can't counter Shady with those.

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No, Catastrophe hits enemies who are generically weak to all magic. Definitely recall some aftergame enemies specifically weak to elements not weak to Catastrophe.

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4-Swampert (PKMN) vs Isabel (S5): We need better info on what S5 elemental resist values actually do. Isabel is faster but she can't chip around Torrent, so she needs pretty good water res to not be 2HKOed by hydro pump. She can get 1 point of it for a minimal sacrifice, but a second point requires her to drop to below average defense and take only 1 point of earth res, meaning an EQ 2HKO is a serious danger. So... how good is 1 point of elemental resistance? Someone test this out.

1 point is 40% resistance.
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Eileen (S1) vs 2-Red (SaGa): Even swords wouldn't save red to me, I think. I doubt he OHKOs, meaning he'd need 2 timely stuns, and that's too unreliable. Plus Eileen hits rather hard - one CF might last long enough for her to kill.

Elieen's got like 72% PC HP and below average defenses. Pretty sure a Re-Al is a OHKO there.
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Lemina Ausa (Lunar:EBC) vs 2-Sceptile (PKMN): Note to Super, Lemina's elemental magic damage is garbage. Sceptile 2HKOs her horrible HP first, and likely has a 3-2 even if I'm underrating her mdur.

Her ST fire and ice damage wasn't that bad. (though maybe it was) I don't think the stat topic gives them sufficient credit. But regardless of how much damage they do, Catastrophe still solidly 2HKOs at the very least. (OHKOs?)

Lemina's MDEF is about 133% of average.


Lemina Ausa (Lunar:EBC) vs 2-Sceptile (PKMN)- Isn't Catastrophe Omni-Elemental, meaning it tears most undurable Pokemon in 2?

Yes, it was omni-elemental.  "Catastrophe: An omni-elemental attack spell"


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Lemina's ice damage is less than half as strong as Catastrophe. Also, this video clearly shows Catastrophe failing to hit Red Fiend's ice-weakness. This "omni-elemental" stuff is pure flavour and the spell does not hit elemental weaknesses at all.

So yeah, Lemina only 2HKOs and thus loses a slugfest rather handilly (either 2HKO to Lemina's below average mdur or 3-2).

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Lemina's ice damage is less than half as strong as Catastrophe. Also, this video clearly shows Catastrophe failing to hit Red Fiend's ice-weakness. This "omni-elemental" stuff is pure flavour and the spell does not hit elemental weaknesses at all.

So yeah, Lemina only 2HKOs and thus loses a slugfest rather handilly (either 2HKO to Lemina's below average mdur or 3-2).

How does Sceptile 2HKO with only around 36% kill damage? Lemina's HP isn't that bad. (~80% average)
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-Damage Average: 61 (153 Kill Point)
-Leaf Blade (15): 56 Grass type damage, 25% Critical hit rate, 70 average damage

That's 46% damage on average. I assume you're getting 36% from assuming no crits, but then you should be aware that the average damage DOES include crits, so if you're going to assume Sceptile doesn't crit then you should also take the average down to compensate.

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Lavos (CT) vs Purim (SoM) - Ask Cecilia how well it went for her.
Naoto Shirogane (Pers4) vs Claude Kenni (SO2) - lol id immunity.
Jessica Albert (DQ8) vs Shania (SH3) - lol ohko. It's like Jessica decided she was Sanger or something.
Zog (BoF1) vs Profound Darkness (PS4) - Superior slugger and hits Zog's magic weakness.

Heavy:

Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) vs Mazus (S2) - The way I take SDs, Mazus is faster by 0.5% than Yulie, and he still manages to comfortably OHKO her through the mdef. Any harsher scaling on the SDs would have him as faster by a wider margin - heck, even taking his speed literally would. So yeah.
Lenus (LoD) vs Popoi (SoM) - Gets hit with a spell, lol lenuses.
Eileen (S1) vs 2-Red (SaGa) - No swords for Red to me, and Eileen should 3HKO him without a hitch after transforming. Before, I'm pretty sure she 2HKOs... and she can last like eighteen turns. Yeah no, that's pretty trivial.

Middle:

Swampert (PKMN) vs Isabel (S5) - Okay, assuming Isabel goes with 40% Earth+Water resistance... she, as Monkey noted, is faster and 3HKOs on average. Swampert, after resistance, with two HPs (one under Torrent), deals... 118 RSE damage to average -before- factoring in accuracy/crits. That's 77% PC HP. Isabel's MDef is sorta cruddy, but the HP is okay enough that she may eke out mdur that's not that bad (should be above 0.8x, hopefully). With 40% Earth Res, assuming average defense, before crits and accuracy, an Earthquake deals... 48.6 damage to average defense. That's below average damage by a fair margin. Even with an Earthquake+HP, Swampy can't quite 2HKO an average durability PC with that level of elemental defenses, and I don't think Isabel is far from that mark at all - not to mention EQ+Torrent HP more or less eke out the same damage as two HPs under these circumstances. Factoring in that Hydro Pump could MISS and Isabel could get a bit lucky with crits and maybe even swings... yeah, think this is Isabel's fight.
Mitsuru (Pers3) vs Jeane (Suikos) - lol ohko.
Twaikin (S3) vs Jude Maverick (WA4) - Pathetic pingfest. Jude probably wins this with MYSTIC POTION BERRY SPAMMING to me, which is just freaking depressing.
Lemina Ausa (Lunar:EBC) vs Sceptile (PKMN) - EBO Lemina is hopeless even when she's hitting weakness, and Sceptile just has so much to screw her over. Even assuming EBC where she 2HKOs him, can't he just Agility => instadouble after Lemina's first turn, Giga Drainx2 (thus healing back into a range where Lemina can't finish him off and whatever she does at best leaves her open to another double and at worst leaves her open to another double where he's under OVERGROW) and finish her off? I mean, besides zomg ohko with omni-weakness hype, but Elfboy debunked -that- already. I mean, unless you take SDs as like 10% or something, but even that's rare. Looking at speed literally would possibly make things uglier.

Light:

Katarina (S4) vs Hugh Thompson (PS2) - I suspect Katarina OHKOs here, and she has enough mdef to stave off a turn one ID slinging even if she's slower. If she's faster, this isn't even a question.
Shady Thousand (WA3) vs Isadora (FE7) - Dear god, Shady 3HKOs something. And he 3HKOs first.
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Agility is completely pointless here; Sceptile (just barely) 3-2s average speed, and Lemina is gameworst.