Author Topic: Season 41-2 - Trannies, lovesickness and voodoo dolls. This is not right.  (Read 7081 times)

Jo'ou Ranbu

  • Social Justice Steampunk Literature Character
  • New Age Retro Fucking Hipster
  • Denizen
  • *
  • Posts: 12988
  • Ah'm tuff fer mah size!
    • View Profile
Godlike

Jenna Angel (DDS) vs. Belial (WA4)
Wren (PS4) vs. Xenobia (L:SSSC)
Zed (WA) vs. Ellen Kirishima (Pers)
Patriarch Sergius XVII (XS2) vs. Yuri Volte Hyuga (SHs)

Heavy

Surt (VP1) vs. Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6)
Tifa Lockheart (FF7) vs. Vulcanus (Disgaea)
Demi (PS4) vs. Belcoot (S5)
Kharg (AtL4) vs. Zera Valmar (G2)

Middle

Guy (L2) vs. Luke fon Fabre (TotA)
Sara (BoF1) vs. Elly van Houten (XG)
Canas (FE7) vs. Ronfar (L:EBC)
Nino (FE7) vs. Kornell (G3)

Light

Lowen (FE7) vs. Tia (L2)
Mojo (CC) vs. Spar (BoF2)
Lani (FF9) vs. Roland (S3)
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs. Zegai (S5)

Bonus: Rejected! (Seifer, Freed Y, Guile, Futch, Rassius Luine vs Fujin and Raijin)
« Last Edit: March 01, 2008, 06:23:52 AM by superaielman »
[01:08] <Soppy-ReturningToInaba> HEY
[01:08] <Soppy-ReturningToInaba> LAGGY
[01:08] <Soppy-ReturningToInaba> UVIET?!??!?!
[01:08] <Laggy> YA!!!!!!!!!1111111111
[01:08] <Soppy-ReturningToInaba> OMG!!!!
[01:08] <Chulianne> No wonder you're small.
[01:08] <TranceHime> cocks
[01:08] <Laggy> .....

Jo'ou Ranbu

  • Social Justice Steampunk Literature Character
  • New Age Retro Fucking Hipster
  • Denizen
  • *
  • Posts: 12988
  • Ah'm tuff fer mah size!
    • View Profile
Godlike

Wren (PS4) vs. Xenobia (L:SSSC) - Just... outheals. Vastly outspeeding+being status-immune+Barrier+Recover. Yeah.

Heavy

Surt (VP1) vs. Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6) - Yay, Edgar immunes Fire. Surt immunes his status, too, and we all know how great Edgar is at slugfesting. Surt is just more durable, and the damage is comparable.

Middle

Sara (BoF1) vs. Elly van Houten (XG) - 2HKOs. Elly 2HKOing back Sara of the hueg HP ahahahahaha.
Canas (FE7) vs. Ronfar (L:EBC) - Luna crit actually works. I guess Canas MDef also doesn't hurt against the Sleep.

Light

Lowen (FE7) vs. Tia (L2) - Um. I -think- a Killer crit is fatal here, it's Tia durability. Granted, I think she doubles, but she's going to use her epic Fire damage to avoid counters, and her unimpressive physicals hitting Lowen's actually fairly impressive phys. durability? Good luck with that, Tia.
Mojo (CC) vs. Spar (BoF2) - ugh mojo.
Lani (FF9) vs. Roland (S3) - Lani.
[01:08] <Soppy-ReturningToInaba> HEY
[01:08] <Soppy-ReturningToInaba> LAGGY
[01:08] <Soppy-ReturningToInaba> UVIET?!??!?!
[01:08] <Laggy> YA!!!!!!!!!1111111111
[01:08] <Soppy-ReturningToInaba> OMG!!!!
[01:08] <Chulianne> No wonder you're small.
[01:08] <TranceHime> cocks
[01:08] <Laggy> .....

superaielman

  • "Mordero daghain pas duente cuebiyar/The fear of death holds not my heart!"
  • Moderator
  • Denizen
  • *
  • Posts: 9632
    • View Profile
Godlike

Jenna Angel (DDS) vs. Belial (WA4)- Don't even think Jenna can reliably hit Belial. Unless her final form has MT I'm blanking on.
Wren (PS4) vs. Xenobia (L:SSSC)- The combo of stone defense and great durability makes Xenobia sob.
Zed (WA) vs. Ellen Kirishima (Pers)- Die, Zed.
Patriarch Sergius XVII (XS2) vs. Yuri Volte Hyuga (SHs)- Thinking Curse and the threat of a big combo keeps Yuri on the defensive for too long.

Heavy

Surt (VP1) vs. Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6)- Edgar is outright inept versus bosses.
Tifa Lockheart (FF7) vs.Vulcanus (Disgaea)- Get out of Heavy Tifa.
Demi (PS4) vs. Belcoot (S5)- May doublecheck this but pretty sure the Falcon rune is fatal.
Kharg (AtL4) vs. Zera Valmar (G2)- Abstain for so many reasons.

Middle
Guy (L2) vs. Luke fon Fabre (TotA)- I'd vote for Guy here before IP's come into play. He's got good defense and hits about as hard as Luke does. With IPs? Yeah, Luke has to worry about any of the weapon IPs (1.5x damage to 3x) and the risk of Guy getting off some form of healing.
Sara (BoF1) vs. Elly van Houten (XG)- Elly's easy meat if you can block sleep in Middle.
Canas (FE7) vs. Ronfar (L:EBC)- Mismatch.
Nino (FE7) vs. Kornell (G3)- Actually sorta leaning towards Nino, she's doubling and going first, never a good thing against her. Assuming I don't hit her with any kind of level penalty of course.

Light

Lowen (FE7) vs. Tia (L2)- Normal sleep should be solid against Lowen RES, doubled sleep should wreck him.
Mojo (CC) vs. Spar (BoF2)- It's Mojo.
Lani (FF9) vs. Roland (S3)- I feel dirty for putting a passing Wheel of Time reference in Roland's writeup.
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs. Zegai (S5)- Zegai's too slow to put any kind of hurting on Cyan before his L8's charged, so Cleave time. Status halving armor doesn't cut it there.

Bonus: Rejected! (Seifer, Freed Y, Guile, Futch, Rassius Luine vs Fujin and Raijin)- Thinking.
"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself"- Count Aral Vorkosigan, A Civil Campaign
-------------------
<Meeple> knownig Square-enix, they'll just give us a 2nd Kain
<Ciato> he would be so kawaii as a chibi...

BaconForTheSoul

  • Denizen
  • *
  • Posts: 664
  • Because you don't get her with 3 levels left.
    • View Profile
Heavy
Surt (VP1) vs. Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6) - Edgar vs a nonfail boss
Tifa Lockheart (FF7) vs. Vulcanus (Disgaea) - Not sure why Tifa is in heavy


Middle
Sara (BoF1) vs. Elly van Houten (XG) - Sara's main fear is a healer of any kind... sorry Elly
Canas (FE7) vs. Ronfar (L:EBC) - Yup!
Nino (FE7) vs. Kornell (G3) - Gogo Lyn level evade hype!


Light
Lowen (FE7) vs. Tia (L2) - Outslugs?
Mojo (CC) vs. Spar (BoF2) - Ha ha ha
Lani (FF9) vs. Roland (S3) - Lani's speed hype is meh, but 2HKO damage on passable durability is NOT light

Dark Holy Elf

  • Moderator
  • Denizen
  • *
  • Posts: 8161
  • Well-behaved women seldom make history
    • View Profile
Godlike

Jenna Angel (DDS) vs. Belial (WA4): Totaly owns Bhairava. Jenna is all single actions, and her MT is awful.
Wren (PS4) vs. Xenobia (L:SSSC): Status immunity, not being 2HKOed, and healing is a nice combo.
Patriarch Sergius XVII (XS2) vs. Yuri Volte Hyuga (SHs): My gut screams Yuri (halves Holy in SH1, his physicals hurt), but... far from certain.

Heavy

Surt (VP1) vs. Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6): 4HKOs with Sacred Javelin, sure as heck isn't 3HKOed back.
Tifa Lockheart (FF7) vs. Vulcanus (Disgaea): Need to check Vulcanus' damage. If he needs a significant damage hit with fire blocked, then he might lose.
Demi (PS4) vs. Belcoot (S5): Hyping Belcoot's 30% crit rate on a OPB tech is ludicrous. Beyond that, Demi is substantially faster and not even 2HKOed by Belcoot's base damage anyway, so she can easily heal and win.

Middle

Guy (L2) vs. Luke fon Fabre (TotA): Guy's pretty good against physicals. Luke, sadly, is a horrible Middle.
Sara (BoF1) vs. Elly van Houten (XG): 2HKO vs... um. 12HKO? It doesn't bear thinking about.
Canas (FE7) vs. Ronfar (L:EBC): Equips Nosferatu, takes a nap. Luna crit would also work.
Nino (FE7) vs. Kornell (G3): Goes first, doubles Fire. Gets attacked, doubles Fire. Doubles Fire. Do I see Kornell surviving all that? Don't think so.

Light

Lowen (FE7) vs. Tia (L2): Oooh, good fight.
Mojo (CC) vs. Spar (BoF2): Mojo is terrible.
Lani (FF9) vs. Roland (S3): ....
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs. Zegai (S5): Gets off Cleave, I think. Zegai is something like 2/3 average speed.

Erwin Schrödinger will kill you like a cat in a box.
Maybe.

Monkeyfinger

  • DL
  • Denizen
  • *
  • Posts: 957
    • View Profile
Godlike

Jenna Angel (DDS) vs. Belial (WA4): Belial can enjoy having her offense neutered against the already stupidly durable Jenna 2 by the physical cores she can summon every turn. That form's MT damage 5HKOs average, but with that much toughness it can easily get the 4 it needs to kill Belial.
Wren (PS4) vs. Xenobia (L:SSSC)
Patriarch Sergius XVII (XS2) vs. Yuri Volte Hyuga (SHs)

Heavy

Surt (VP1) vs. Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6): Oh gods. I'm not completely sure on this but... ugh.
Demi (PS4) vs. Belcoot (S5)
Kharg (AtL4) vs. Zera Valmar (G2)

Middle

Guy (L2) vs. Luke fon Fabre (TotA)
Sara (BoF1) vs. Elly van Houten (XG)
Canas (FE7) vs. Ronfar (L:EBC)
Nino (FE7) vs. Kornell (G3): Hrrrrrmmm... yeah, I think I agree with what Elfboy said, though it's possible that I'd see G3 techs as uncounterable.

Light

Lowen (FE7) vs. Tia (L2)
Mojo (CC) vs. Spar (BoF2)
Lani (FF9) vs. Roland (S3)
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs. Zegai (S5)

InfinityDragon

  • Denizen
  • *
  • Posts: 230
    • View Profile
Godlike

Jenna Angel (DDS) vs. Belial (WA4) - Jenna2 slaughters Belial. All the Cores have MT damage (Except the Gold Core, maybe?), and if you for some reason you don't allow those, her basic physical is MT to boot.
Wren (PS4) vs. Xenobia (L:SSSC)
Zed (WA) vs. Ellen Kirishima (Pers) - Blow out.
Patriarch Sergius XVII (XS2) vs. Yuri Volte Hyuga (SHs) - Curse. Whoops.

Heavy

Surt (VP1) vs. Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6) - Sacred Javelin is enough.
Tifa Lockheart (FF7) vs. Vulcanus (Disgaea) - Not Tifa in Heavy.
Demi (PS4) vs. Belcoot (S5)
Kharg (AtL4) vs. Zera Valmar (G2)


Middle

Guy (L2) vs. Luke fon Fabre (TotA)
Sara (BoF1) vs. Elly van Houten (XG) - No sleep stick hype to save the day.
Canas (FE7) vs. Ronfar (L:EBC) - What a long, boring match. Ronfar has more healing than Canas has book charges after the Regen, so he wins.
Nino (FE7) vs. Kornell (G3)

Light

Lowen (FE7) vs. Tia (L2)
Mojo (CC) vs. Spar (BoF2)
Lani (FF9) vs. Roland (S3) - Close.
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs. Zegai (S5)

Taishyr

  • Guest
Godlike

Jenna Angel (DDS) vs. Belial (WA4):

Second form:
Attack: 80. Physical.
Bhairava: 744. Almighty.
Dekaja: Dispel status boosts on all opponents.
Executioner: 200. ST. Physical.
Mazandyne: 85, MT. Force.
Maragydine: 85, MT. Fire.
Maziodyne: 85, MT. Electricity.
Mabufudyne: 85, MT. Ice.
Materadyne: 85, MT. Earth.
Genocide: 141, MT. Physical.

Both forms (battle 1 and 2) have MT. If she chooses form 1, she gets two tank drops and a distortion off (I think - she wasn't 400% average speed, right?). If this doesn't force Jenna to change forms, she Debilitates and suddenly Belial's damage and durability fail more and her speed... probably barely still allows the tripleturn. In form 2, she Genocides, gets hit back to form 1, Debilitates, gets hit to form 2, and gets at least one more Genocide off. This form has an argument thanks to the godliness that is Debilitate, but I can see not having it win... and then Jenna 2 slaughters anyway, it's practically all MT and that's the danger of that fight. Plus, Belial is entirely what? ST non-elemental magic (which Jenna mocks like crazy) and physicals (hi there phys reflect core)? This match, to me, is a rather large slaughter for Jenna. I can see an argument if you force Jenna to her "best" form (this is arguable), don't see her getting an opening Debilitate, and don't see 2.3 or so Genocides killing. But... that's a lot of calls against her, to me, and Belial's blitz tactic just doesn't work with someone with this many formshifts, low HP or no.

Heavy

Surt (VP1) vs. Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6)
Tifa Lockheart (FF7) vs. Vulcanus (Disgaea)

Middle

Canas (FE7) vs. Ronfar (L:EBC) - lol ronfar offense. Though the healing makes this closer?

Light

Lowen (FE7) vs. Tia (L2) - Leaning crit kills. Could be debated
Mojo (CC) vs. Spar (BoF2)
Lani (FF9) vs. Roland (S3)

superaielman

  • "Mordero daghain pas duente cuebiyar/The fear of death holds not my heart!"
  • Moderator
  • Denizen
  • *
  • Posts: 9632
    • View Profile
Tia/Lowen really hinges on Tia being able to control the fight with doubled sleep. She's dead otherwise- a Killer Lance crit is overkill and Lowen can take any sort of damaging IP right back.

I see no reason to not allow Tia to double with Drowsy, so Lowen doesn't get the time to put any pressure on and slowly gets whittled down.
"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself"- Count Aral Vorkosigan, A Civil Campaign
-------------------
<Meeple> knownig Square-enix, they'll just give us a 2nd Kain
<Ciato> he would be so kawaii as a chibi...

Dark Holy Elf

  • Moderator
  • Denizen
  • *
  • Posts: 8161
  • Well-behaved women seldom make history
    • View Profile
Quote
I see no reason to not allow Tia to double with Drowsy, so Lowen doesn't get the time to put any pressure on and slowly gets whittled down.

Status attacks can't be doubled in FE, so this mechanic should probably carry over to the DL (given that doubling is an entirely FE-based mechanic, it makes sense to have FE decide what can and can't be doubled). Of course, they can't be countered either, so that might balance out to you.

How accurate is Sleep and how long does it last?

Erwin Schrödinger will kill you like a cat in a box.
Maybe.

superaielman

  • "Mordero daghain pas duente cuebiyar/The fear of death holds not my heart!"
  • Moderator
  • Denizen
  • *
  • Posts: 9632
    • View Profile
Staves aren't normal attacks (You can get statused on say a poison weapon physical on a double, right?). Regardless I let FE double or be doubled by anything unless the unit doesn't have the MP for it/it's a limit move.

It's turn one against Lowen and lasts two turns on average? I'd guess in the neighborhood of 65-70% against him.
"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself"- Count Aral Vorkosigan, A Civil Campaign
-------------------
<Meeple> knownig Square-enix, they'll just give us a 2nd Kain
<Ciato> he would be so kawaii as a chibi...

Meeplelard

  • Fire Starter
  • Denizen
  • *
  • Posts: 5356
    • View Profile
Godlike

Jenna Angel (DDS) vs. Belial (WA4): Yay not having to worry about a move that's apparently uber and I NEVER SAW.
Wren (PS4) vs. Xenobia (L:SSSC): Wren gets a damn lucky draw here.
Zed (WA) vs. Ellen Kirishima (Pers): Think Zed is faster offhand.
Patriarch Sergius XVII (XS2) vs. Yuri Volte Hyuga (SHs): Offhand, thinking SH1 Form goes For Everyone + Halving Holy + Awesome magic defense in SR Form (Combined with FE), should be enough to take this.

Heavy

Surt (VP1) vs. Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6): Edgar doesn't do well vs. bosses.
Tifa Lockheart (FF7) vs. Vulcanus (Disgaea): Need to see Vulcanus' best damage that isn't elemental.
Demi (PS4) vs. Belcoot (S5): Belcoot needs 30% chance on a OPB move to win this...yeah, no.
Kharg (AtL4) vs. Zera Valmar (G2): Even without Big Owl (which I allow), isn't most of Zera's good stuff elemental, something Kharg mocks with the Spirit Bandana?

Middle

Guy (L2) vs. Luke fon Fabre (TotA): Can't vote.
Sara (BoF1) vs. Elly van Houten (XG): Yeah, durability difference, if nothing else, seals this fight.
Canas (FE7) vs. Ronfar (L:EBC): Canas just needs Luna to Crit.  Ronfar can't kill Canas (considering Counters and everything) before that happens.  Even if he could...oh whoops, Nosferatu!
Nino (FE7) vs. Kornell (G3): Yeah, see Elfboy.

Light

Lowen (FE7) vs. Tia (L2): I don't see Drowsy doubling or being countered (though the countered thing wouldn't largely matter unless Lowen used a Javelin? Eh, gives him something to use turn 1 I guess for extra damage)
Mojo (CC) vs. Spar (BoF2): I'm pretty sure Spar can tank this out with Def Up, Cure 2, and Freeze or something.
Lani (FF9) vs. Roland (S3): Yeah, free win.
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs. Zegai (S5): Cyan gets off Cleave.  That statement alone says how said Zegai is.
[21:39] <+Mega_Mettaur> so Snow...
[21:39] <+Mega_Mettaur> Sonic Chaos
[21:39] <+Hello-NewAgeHipsterDojimaDee> That's -brilliant-.

[17:02] <+Tengu_Man> Raven is a better comic relief PC than A

IhatethisCPU

  • When I get hit in the face, my body is taken over by the ghost of James Brown.
  • Denizen
  • *
  • Posts: 73
  • ...Good night, and Gods help us all.
    • View Profile
Godlike

Jenna Angel (DDS) vs. Belial (WA4)
Wren (PS4) vs. Xenobia (L:SSSC)
Zed (WA) vs. Ellen Kirishima (Pers)
Patriarch Sergius XVII (XS2) vs. Yuri Volte Hyuga (SHs)

Heavy

Surt (VP1) vs. Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6)
Tifa Lockheart (FF7) vs. Vulcanus (Disgaea)
Demi (PS4) vs. Belcoot (S5)
Kharg (AtL4) vs. Zera Valmar (G2) - The racist bastard Kharg can accompany Tifa on her way back to middle.

Middle

Guy (L2) vs. Luke fon Fabre (TotA)
Sara (BoF1) vs. Elly van Houten (XG)
Canas (FE7) vs. Ronfar (L:EBC)
Nino (FE7) vs. Kornell (G3)

Light

Lowen (FE7) vs. Tia (L2)
Mojo (CC) vs. Spar (BoF2) -...And Mojo's our resident CC jobber this season.
Lani (FF9) vs. Roland (S3)
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs. Zegai (S5)
You wanna know when I'm gonna be there?
I'll tell you EXACTLY when I'm gonna be there...

When you least expect it.

Luther Lansfeld

  • Global Moderator
  • Denizen
  • *
  • Posts: 5066
  • Her will demands it.
    • View Profile
Godlike

Jenna Angel (DDS) vs. Belial (WA4)- Don't allow Jenna 2. Lame. .-.
Wren (PS4) vs. Xenobia (L:SSSC)- Status immunity FTW. ^_^
Zed (WA) vs. Ellen Kirishima (Pers)- WA1 Zed is epic in Godlike.
Patriarch Sergius XVII (XS2) vs. Yuri Volte Hyuga (SHs)- High durability and CURSE HYPE.

Heavy

Surt (VP1) vs. Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6)- This is definitely a shame, Edgar is really unlucky.
Tifa Lockheart (FF7) vs. Vulcanus (Disgaea)- Mismatch.
Demi (PS4) vs. Belcoot (S5)- This is awesome. Perfect. Belcoot can rot with Richard.
Kharg (AtL4) vs. Zera Valmar (G2)- Paralyze.

Middle

Guy (L2) vs. Luke fon Fabre (TotA)- Very similar and straightforward duellers, just one's, uh, better.
Sara (BoF1) vs. Elly van Houten (XG)
Canas (FE7) vs. Ronfar (L:EBC)
Nino (FE7) vs. Kornell (G3)- I definitely don't give even levels to Nino. It's absurd to me. I'd like to hear the argument behind doing so aside from tradition.

Light

Lowen (FE7) vs. Tia (L2)
Mojo (CC) vs. Spar (BoF2)
Lani (FF9) vs. Roland (S3)
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs. Zegai (S5)
When humanity stands strong and people reach out for each other...
There’s no need for gods.

http://backloggery.com/ciato

Profile pic by (@bunneshi) on twitter!

Nitori

  • Denizen
  • *
  • Posts: 1091
  • The only thing YOU'RE onto is your mot-
    • View Profile
Godlike

Jenna Angel (DDS) vs. Belial (WA4)
Wren (PS4) vs. Xenobia (L:SSSC)
Patriarch Sergius XVII (XS2) vs. Yuri Volte Hyuga (SHs)

Heavy

Tifa Lockheart (FF7) vs. Vulcanus (Disgaea)

Middle

Guy (L2) vs. Luke fon Fabre (TotA)

Light

Lowen (FE7) vs. Tia (L2)
<Ko-NitoriisSulpher> roll 1d100 to grade Nitori?
<Hatbot> ACTION --> "Ko-NitoriisSulpher rolls 1d100 to grade Nitori? and gets 100." [1d100=100]

BaconForTheSoul

  • Denizen
  • *
  • Posts: 664
  • Because you don't get her with 3 levels left.
    • View Profile
Quote
I definitely don't give even levels to Nino. It's absurd to me. I'd like to hear the argument behind doing so aside from tradition.

If you get her the game inserts a bonus level that basically says "Level me."

Also in terms of making sense, leveling Nino makes a hell of a lot more sense than leveling say... Marcus.  Marcus is an experience hog for 90% of the game, by the time he isn't he fails.  Nino meanwhile gets a level for just about every kill until the point that she's strong enough to solo anything. (Which is like level 10/0 because of her ridiculous evasion.)

It's Fire Emblem, if you want to level someone it takes no trouble and if you don't, you don't.  I've never leveled Marcus higher 20/2, Pent past what he starts out, Hawkeye past what he starts at, and so on.

Of course, everyone has their own interps, but I see Nino at 20/15 as no less silly than Marcus.

Twilkitri

  • Denizen
  • *
  • Posts: 1207
    • View Profile
Staves aren't normal attacks (You can get statused on say a poison weapon physical on a double, right?).

At this point I believe it fair to bring up FE8's Stone which is a pure status weapon attack, and it disallows you from doubling no matter how much extra speed you have.

Dark Holy Elf

  • Moderator
  • Denizen
  • *
  • Posts: 8161
  • Well-behaved women seldom make history
    • View Profile
I wasn't even aware of that. Regardless, sounds like every pure status move can not be doubled, so I see no reason to not extend that outside FE in general.

Poison weapons (and assassin ID, Sniper sleep) merely show that damaging attacks that also add status can be doubled, but Drowsy is clearly pure status.

Erwin Schrödinger will kill you like a cat in a box.
Maybe.

Taishyr

  • Guest
Okay, looking at Jenna1 vs. Belial even further...

Belial has 9900 HP. Damage that can be dealt to her in a round, if I understand the topic correctly, 5484 (Raquel is 2742, the others apparently total up to hers as well.) For summary's sake, we'll say this is 5000. So... Belial barely gets two rounded by average damage... Okay. Going to be kind to her and give her 70% PCHP, for the sake of this.

Her best damage is 1400, physical, to an average of 2311 HP, so she deals about 61% PCHP a hit.

Jenna's formshifts each have 1000 HP. Damage dealt to her in a round is 759, so each form has about... 40% PCHP, at a low guess. In other words, there won't be many problems for Belial to OHKO each form.

Her damage used here is Genocide, 141 to an average of 445. This is about 31-32% PCHP per hit.

Belial (Distortion) -> Belial (Tank Drop (61%, form 1 killed)) -> Jenna (Formshift, Genocide) -> Belial (Tank Drop (61%, form 2 killed)) -> Belial (lol) -> Belial (lol) -> Jenna (Formshift, Debilitate) -> Belial (Tank Drop, third verse same as first) -> Belial x2 (lol) -> Jenna (Formshift, Genocide) -> Belial (Tank Drop, kills)

Okay. So, as expected, Jenna gets one normal and one Debilitate'd Genocide off. Question is, does it kill?

Well. I know it does for me, since I Delibitate hitting most stats down by about 18% or so (end result of being fully Debilitated is that everything you do is about half as effective. DDS allows three uses, I think; SMT:N allows four (and scales the result back, as well). Correct me if I'm wrong here, since this is the vital part.)

So... seeing a 10% increase in damage from Debilitate is all this match takes for a Jenna win, I believe; and remember my HP score there is higher since I rounded it off. The actual value's closer to 66%. So... yeah. Draw your own conclusions, but for me, both Jenna forms win this without much problem, looking at this.

Sierra

  • N I G H T M A R E E Y E S
  • DL
  • Denizen
  • *
  • Posts: 5135
  • Go get dead, angel face
    • View Profile
Godlike

Jenna Angel (DDS) vs. Belial (WA4): Could still change my mind here. Belial has no problem hacking through the first form, certainly.
Wren (PS4) vs. Xenobia (L:SSSC): Xenobia weeps. This is a good week to be a PSIV bot, apparently.
Zed (WA) vs. Ellen Kirishima (Pers): The Ellen I know isn't really a godlike. Of course, neither is Zed, but he has no trouble heal-locking her until a double.
Patriarch Sergius XVII (XS2) vs. Yuri Volte Hyuga (SHs): Huh. Interesting. Have to think about this one.

Heavy

Surt (VP1) vs. Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6): Horrible slaughter. Edgar is not a boss fighter.
Tifa Lockheart (FF7) vs. Vulcanus (Disgaea): Horrible slaughter, Mark II.
Demi (PS4) vs. Belcoot (S5): Thinking the odds of Demi surviving Belcoot's one hit of Falcon Rune are in her favor. And if he can't OHKO her, he has no chance in hell.
Kharg (AtL4) vs. Zera Valmar (G2)

Middle

Guy (L2) vs. Luke fon Fabre (TotA): Hmm. Not sure, need to check on Guy's IPs. Luke's fairly underwhelming, I'll say that much now.
Sara (BoF1) vs. Elly van Houten (XG): Slaughter. No way in hell is Elly hacking through BoF1 boss HP on her own.
Canas (FE7) vs. Ronfar (L:EBC)
Nino (FE7) vs. Kornell (G3)


Light

Lowen (FE7) vs. Tia (L2)
Mojo (CC) vs. Spar (BoF2)

Lani (FF9) vs. Roland (S3): You know what? I think I played enough FFIX to vote on this one. Roland's a horrible failure.
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs. Zegai (S5): Zegai can't kill Cyan before a fatal swordtech happens. Sadness.

Dark Holy Elf

  • Moderator
  • Denizen
  • *
  • Posts: 8161
  • Well-behaved women seldom make history
    • View Profile
Quote
Well. I know it does for me, since I Delibitate hitting most stats down by about 18% or so (end result of being fully Debilitated is that everything you do is about half as effective.

According to the tests I did on Kartikeya, Def Down is somewhere around a 10-15% increase in damage dealt, rather than 18 (which sounds like where Attack Up is). So Genocide + Debil + Genocide yields... ~66% to average, and Belial has above average defence. Really thinking she survives. Reasonably closish, granted.

Erwin Schrödinger will kill you like a cat in a box.
Maybe.

Taishyr

  • Guest
66% is enough to kill her for me (remember, I admitted to overestimating it). But, mm, you're right, I did calc that out wrong mentally. Assuming 15%... yeah, you get about 66% PCHP (10% Debilitate boost, 31.6% + 34.7% = 66.3% PCHP) at the low end of the estimate, and... 31.6%+36.4% = 68% if you see 15%. 20% (It's what I recall for DDS1, DDS2 may be weirder? I dunno, you got MT all-stat buffs there, I stopped caring about how good they were since SMASH was good enough) should be 70%.

So, baseline should just barely kill Belial if you see her at exactly 2/3 PCHP, if you have a bit more HP respect (feasible) Jenna would need you to see more out of Debilitate. For me, this is still Jenna's match, but it's... actually fairly good.

...wait, it just occurred to me that this match involves figuring out Belial HP respect.

...

...Fail, Jenna, for needing it to even go that far.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2008, 02:23:11 AM by Taishyr »

Dhyerwolf

  • Mod Board Access
  • Denizen
  • *
  • Posts: 4736
  • Here it comes, the story, of mankind's final glory
    • View Profile
Godlike

Jenna Angel (DDS) vs. Belial (WA4)- Will think on it.
Wren (PS4) vs. Xenobia (L:SSSC)- Wren, I guess?
Zed (WA) vs. Ellen Kirishima (Pers)- Ellen. Anti-phys vs Zed. Zed's ID doesn't matter because it's attached to physical damage.
Patriarch Sergius XVII (XS2) vs. Yuri Volte Hyuga (SHs)- Uh...

Heavy

Surt (VP1) vs. Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6)- Surt
Tifa Lockheart (FF7) vs. Vulcanus (Disgaea)- Vulcanus
Demi (PS4) vs. Belcoot (S5)- Belcoot. Since I math out when the crit happens, I do assume that Belcoot would also know.
Kharg (AtL4) vs. Zera Valmar (G2)- Kharg. Makes Zera's damage a sad thing.

Middle

Guy (L2) vs. Luke fon Fabre (TotA)- Uh
Sara (BoF1) vs. Elly van Houten (XG)- Sara
Canas (FE7) vs. Ronfar (L:EBC)- Canas
Nino (FE7) vs. Kornell (G3)- Kornell. Blar. Seems like for Nino to win, you gave to be both very lenient for her (Full levels, no crit average) and very harsh against Kornell (Disallowing his fist...which...his fist is him). Kornell smashes so easily here to me.

Light

Lowen (FE7) vs. Tia (L2)- Tia. Sleep should do it, crits factored into average, such and such.
Mojo (CC) vs. Spar (BoF2)- Thinking
Lani (FF9) vs. Roland (S3)- Lani
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs. Zegai (S5)- Thinking
...into the nightfall.

InfinityDragon

  • Denizen
  • *
  • Posts: 230
    • View Profile
Quote
Well. I know it does for me, since I Delibitate hitting most stats down by about 18% or so (end result of being fully Debilitated is that everything you do is about half as effective. DDS allows three uses, I think; SMT:N allows four (and scales the result back, as well). Correct me if I'm wrong here, since this is the vital part.)

Full stacking of Debilitates comes out to halved physical damage, halved magical damage, halved accuracy and evade, and doubles all damage received. DDS1 Debilitate caps out at 4 uses. Haven't gotten around to DDS2 yet, but it's largely irrelevant anyways. Note that Debilitate does *not* reduce turn speed (explicitly ignores reducing speed in Nocturne, there is no speed stat in DDS1), so Belial would still be just as fast. I don't think that really matters, anyways.

So, one use of Debilitate would increase Genocide's damage by 12.5% and reduce all of Belial's damage by 12.5%. Where the match goes from there depends on scaling.

Dark Holy Elf

  • Moderator
  • Denizen
  • *
  • Posts: 8161
  • Well-behaved women seldom make history
    • View Profile
Quote
Belcoot. Since I math out when the crit happens, I do assume that Belcoot would also know.

Uh... what? Are you saying you say "Falcon crit happens on Turn X" even if Falcon isn't being used up until that point?

That's ridiculous. By that logic someone with a turn 5 status could spend four turns heal-locking then nail the opponent with their first shot of a 20% status move. This is obviously nonsense; it only makes sense to increment the "turn counter" for a rare occurence like that on turns the move is used. Sub-50% OPB effects deserve zero DL respect for this reason.

If I misunderstood you, I apologise. If you meant he can math out when his... normal attack crits happen, I don't see how that helps him. Quite the opposite if anything; by that logic Demi would assuredly know too and her healing job just gets even easier.

Erwin Schrödinger will kill you like a cat in a box.
Maybe.