Season 60, Week 3- Rika deals with a land based crash.

[superaielman]

Godlike:

Lady (SH3)vs Odd Eye (SF2)
Belial (WA4) vs Rika (PS4)

Heavy:

Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6) vs Zidane Tribal (FF9)
Garai (CC) vs Marsilio (SO2)

Middle:

Vesper (SO2) vs Jill Fizzart (FE9)
Venusaur (PKMN) vs Sophia Esteed (SO3)

Light:

Blastoise (PKMN) vs Jacques (S3)
Melville (S3) vs Lucius (FE7)

[superaielman]

Godlike:

Lady (SH3) vs Odd Eye (SF2)- Welp. Good luck with this one, Odd Eye.
Belial (WA4) vs Rika (PS4)

Heavy:

Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6) vs Zidane Tribal (FF9)- I think? Doom makes this close, but kneejerking this way.
Garai (CC) vs Marsilio (SO2)- Marsilio is one of the few Wisemen I have any respect for offense wise, but he is outclassed by Garai.

Middle:

Vesper (SO2) vs Jill Fizzart (FE9)- Vesper is screwed if he can't bust MP, for the most part.
Venusaur (PKMN) vs Sophia Esteed (SO3)- status.

Light:

Blastoise (PKMN) vs Jacques (S3)
Melville (S3) vs Lucius (FE7)- Go first, 2HKO. Lucius can't 2HKO back without getting doubled, which won't work.

[SnowFire]

Super, can you edit the Bonus Match into this week's update?  You guys were surprisingly fast on the update and I've been somewhat, uh, distracted lately.  (SURPRISE NEAR-INSTANT EVICTION THANKS NYC DEPARTMENT OF BUILDINGS)

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Godlike:

Lady (SH3) vs Odd Eye (SF2) - Thoughtless.
Belial (WA4) vs Rika (PS4) - Also thoughtless.

Heavy:

Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6) vs Zidane Tribal (FF9) - At worst, Air Anchor kicks in before Doom. Ahahahahahaha to Zidane winning in one turn before that - even Stone hype is worthless since Edgar blocks that.
Garai (CC) vs Marsilio (SO2) - What were Marsilio's elemental resists? That's what this match hinges on to me.

Middle:

Vesper (SO2) vs Jill Fizzart (FE9) - Played enough FE9 to vote on -this-. See super, really.
Venusaur (PKMN) vs Sophia Esteed (SO3) - Sleep Powder makes Sophia very sad.

Light:

Blastoise (PKMN) vs Jacques (S3) - Better slugger, really.
Melville (S3) vs Lucius (FE7) - mmmmyeah, Melville goes first and it doesn't take much to 2HKO Lucius with physicals. The awful Luck also raises the crit rate, and I don't think Lucius has enough evade to tilt this to his favor - getting doubled with a stronger weapon is pretty awful here, and Divine makes Lucius doubled by average. Meanwhile, Melville's mdur is poor, but not bad enough to make him 2HKOed by below average damage.

[Pyro]

Godlike:

Lady (SH3)vs Odd Eye (SF2): Easy.
Belial (WA4) vs Rika (PS4): Also easy.

Heavy:

Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6) vs Zidane Tribal (FF9): Wouldn't Mini stop the Tools skillset?
Garai (CC) vs Marsilio (SO2): Not sure here. Garai should be tough enough for this though...

Middle:

Vesper (SO2) vs Jill Fizzart (FE9): Stun hype or something (FE10)
Venusaur (PKMN) vs Sophia Esteed (SO3): Sophia couldn't block Sleep? Okay then.

Light:

Blastoise (PKMN) vs Jacques (S3): Easy enough for the tortoise.
Melville (S3) vs Lucius (FE7): Lucius doesn't like physical fighters much does he?

[Dark Holy Elf]

Mini doesn't stop skillsets. It only reduces damage dealt.

Pretty easy week otherwise; what Super/Snow said for the most part.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6) vs Zidane Tribal (FF9): Wouldn't Mini stop the Tools skillset?

What? Mini has -never- stopped skillsets in FF ever, and FF9 is no exception. It has always been a strictly anti-physical and durability-busting status.

[Dhyerwolf]

Garai (CC) vs Marsilio (SO2) - What were Marsilio's elemental resists? That's what this match hinges on to me.

He doesnt get Holy. Otherwise, as mentioned, the week feels pretty clearcut.

[superaielman]

Mmm, it's more like two turns for Edgar isn't it?

Zidane uses Doom--Edgar uses AA--Zidane waits--Edgar uses confuse-Zidane smacks himself

I don't normally consider wait, but I it does matter here. Don't think that is enough for me, though.

Snowfire: Sure, I can get that.

[Pyro]

NEB already responded to that Snow. No need to just bash me or being wrong there. I made a mistake, it happens.

Moot anyway, from the stat topic:

Doom: Target’s life ends after a 10 count (Enemy gets one turn at best)

If that is reliable, Super's strat seems like it should work fine. That is accurate, Dhyer?

[Dhyerwolf]

Right, I guess that's accurate to how it works in game (I generally see it killing them a bit before their second turn. But...if waiting gets Air Anchor, I guess it would have a use here).

[James_xeno]

Edgar's really behind the eight ball here to say the least. Petrify resist can't save him, as he still fries to the inevitability of Doom. If you don't see doom KOing by the second turn, then Zidane just watches and waits! ......BO..o....DOOM!

Zidane uses Doom--Edgar uses AA--Zidane waits--Edgar uses confuse-Zidane smacks himself

Clear Headed?!?

Learned and or gained from storebought equips. (and at least one end/near end game armor/equip)

Considering that Edgar can only get petrify resist from Relics. If Zidane doesn't get Clear Headed, then Edgar's just one big paperweight > turn one!

[Dark Holy Elf]

Two things:

1. A lot of people (myself included) allow relics but not skills.
2. FF9 Petrify doesn't actually cause the enemy to drop any rewards, so a lot of people throw it out. Moot, though... most everyone (except one or two) allow relics to block status.

Also there's a pretty good argument that Air Anchor kills even if the target uses Wait, since that's not an option available to FF6 enemies.

[Pyro]

Aren't there several FF6 enemies that will skip turns?

I recall one otherwise threatening enemy being a joke because of it, but I'm not sure.

[OblivionKnight]

Lady (SH3)vs Odd Eye (SF2) - Lady.  Very obviously.
Belial (WA4) vs Rika (PS4) - Belial.  At least she fries next round

Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6) vs Zidane Tribal (FF9) - Zidane.  Dissidia form combines with FF9 form well enough
Garai (CC) vs Marsilio (SO2) - Marsilio

Vesper (SO2) vs Jill Fizzart (FE9) - Vesper.  Boss durability does that.
Venusaur (PKMN) vs Sophia Esteed (SO3) - Sophia

Blastoise (PKMN) vs Jacques (S3) - Jacques...storebought runes do it
Melville (S3) vs Lucius (FE7) - Melville - again storebought runes

[Dark Holy Elf]

Jacques...storebought runes do it

Out of curiosity.... do they? S3 doesn't really have the most potent runes in the series, and Jacques has a bad Magic stat and rune affinities. He can also only equip one rune. Lightning? Hits weakness, but he only gets one shot of the L3, and the other two spells do almost no damage. Water? I'd bet Blastoise can heal-lock him, at least with the threat of Torrent (though that is FRLG only).

I'm actually kinda curious on your thoughts, since this is actually probably a good match!

[Dhyerwolf]

Are storebought TMs so bad anyways?

[James_xeno]

Two things:

1. A lot of people (myself included) allow relics but not skills.

A lot? Allow equips but not skills??

Zidane just equips something with Clear Headed on it, like a Dark Gear. Issue solved.

2. FF9 Petrify doesn't actually cause the enemy to drop any rewards, so a lot of people throw it out. Moot, though... most everyone (except one or two) allow relics to block status.

Petrify = Game Over! (IN GAME!)
Petrify never ends. You have to heal it. If that's not enough for a KO, then I don't know what is.

Also there's a pretty good argument that Air Anchor kills even if the target uses Wait, since that's not an option available to FF6 enemies.

No. Not doing anything =/= doing something! If there weren't any moves in FFVI like doom, then he might of had an argument. but no. It's a move explicitly set to go off after the targets next action. ("Move, and you're dust")

Not available in FFVI? Well maybe, but FFIX characters can use it. Sucks not to be them here I guess.



In the end though. This is all predicated on a theoretical scenario where Edgar gets two full turns under doom, gets protection against petrify, and Zidane getting not even basic status protection (confuse) at all.

[Dark Holy Elf]

Zidane just equips something with Clear Headed on it

This equipping does not, in and of itself, give him any protection against confuse. He has to set a skill to get that. That's fine if you want to allow it, but I personally don't, and this argument has been well-hashed out before so I suspect you'll be unlikely to convince too many people.

Petrify = Game Over!

On PCs, yes. A number of games have statuses that do different things to PCs and enemies. A glaring example is VP2, in which freeze is game over on PCs yet wears off in a under a second on enemies. FF9 Petrify, when used upon enemies, grants no rewards, similar to simply escaping from the battle. To me that's a very big deal. It might not be to you, that's fine. Again, this argument has been gone over quite a bit in the past, just so you know.

[Monkeyfinger]

Zidane has stop, doesn't he? Same deal as petrify except that FF6 notable lacks a blocker for it despite the status being in FF6, IIRC.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

I'm not sure if Zidane -does- have Stop - Dhyer doesn't have it listed on his topic (and it wouldn't be due to the status' questionability, he listed Petrify). The PC that -does- have Stop in his skillset for sure that I know is Vivi.

[Yoshiken]

Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6) vs Zidane Tribal (FF9) - Doom. It's not even a case of using the Wait command, it's simply a case of -not doing anything-. A character who never gets a turn can't be killed before their next action, since it'll never come. (And I allow skills as long as the correct equipment is equipped. Seems needlessly harsh to penalise FF9 because there's a way of getting the skill permanently as well. It's that, or the logic is "You may not have the crystals to equip it!" which... uhh. No. "You might not have the money to buy the relic!" could be used in exactly the same way, because you may have different priorities. In this match, the priority on crystals is Clear Headed.)

[DjinnAndTonic]

Edgar vs. Zidane - Personally, Zidane just gets a lot of calls in his favor to me. I allow Petrify, and I'm allowing a wait option for Air Anchor should he need it, and I allow status-blocking skills like Clear-headed as long as the relevent equipment is equipped.

Venusaur vs. Jacques - If we were allowing storebought runes, I would think that a Wind Rune would be enough? Winds of Sleep is ridiculous. I don't, I only allow storebought runes to PCs with high A affinity for a certain type of rune, based on my plot allowances for skillsets. So Jacques is out of luck here.


Also, yay! Belial's finally winning some matches!

[Dark Holy Elf]

Oh duh, I forgot all about Wind. Yeah, that's... probably good enough.

Also it's Blastoise he's facing, not Venusaur. <_<

[Meeplelard]

I don't come to these topics much very often, but I wanna dispel a certain claim...

That is, the fact that Edgar *NEEDS* confusion to win this fight.  This isn't actually true, however.  Reason being that Poison causes Air Anchor to kick in as well.

IOWs...

Zidane does Doom
Edgar uses Air Anchor
Zidane waits
Edgar uses Bio Blaster
Zidane waits
Poison damage on Zidane kicks in
Air Anchor Self Destruct kicks in -> Zidane Dies.

Why this works? Who knows, FF6 has a lot of weird bugs like this, but its there, and it works in all versions of FF6 I believe (FF6a may be an exception?)

So anyway, Zidane would need both Clear Head *AND* Antibody.  So unless there's an equip that allows BOTH, that would kind of be unfair, as I know most people are under the opinion of "One status protection Accessory (or equip, in some cases)", unique equips not withstanding, so yeah.

Just thought I'd toss that out!