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1-Loki (VP1)  vs Elc (AtLC)
Weisheit (XF) vs Asellus (SaGa)
Millenia (G2) vs Rubicant (FF4)
Ash Lambert (VH) vs 3-Souji Seta (Pers4)

Heavy:

1-Wren (PS4) vs Lyon (S5)
Lilka Eleniak (WA2) vs Lucian (VP1)
Sharon (LoL2) vs Alex (Lunar:SSSC)
Queen Zeal (CT) vs 3-Shadow (FF6)

Middle:

1-Rudy Roughknight (WA1) vs Warlock (S4)
Flare (S4) vs L'Arachel (FE8)
Lucia (Lunar:EBC) vs Jessica Philomele (MK)
Rouge (Saga) vs 4-Tengaar (Suikos)

Light:

1- Zappa (CC) vs Louise (FE7)
Rody (S3) vs Cyan Garamonde (FF6)
Chelsea Torn (ToD) vs Yumei (VP1)
Eilie (S2) vs 3-Yukari Takeba (Pers3)

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Re: Season 62 week 1:
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2010, 03:29:25 PM »
Godlike:

1-Loki (VP1)  vs Elc (AtLC)- God, seeing Elc beating Loki's face in just gets better and better every time it happens.
Weisheit (XF) vs Asellus (SaGa)- I'm pretty sure Weisheit can't deal with Glass Shield, which is just fucking shameful if it's true. (Below average called shot damage=glass shield bait)
Millenia (G2) vs Rubicant (FF4)- *Torch*
Ash Lambert (VH) vs 3-Souji Seta (Pers4)- Die for me!

Heavy:

1-Wren (PS4) vs Lyon (S5)- Lyon just misses the OHKO. I don't think she has any way to really threaten a heal lock, either.
Lilka Eleniak (WA2) vs Lucian (VP1)- *Splat*
Sharon (LoL2) vs Alex (Lunar:SSSC)- Sharon resisting fire and having charm should be more than enough here.
Queen Zeal (CT) vs 3-Shadow (FF6)- I don't think Zeal can OHKO Gaia Gear Shadow, which is just pathetic.

Middle:

1-Rudy Roughknight (WA1) vs Warlock (S4)- I'll change my vote if Rudy can survive a Warlock turn, but I'm doubting he can.
Flare (S4) vs L'Arachel (FE8)- Kneejerking that healing is enough here.
Lucia (Lunar:EBC) vs Jessica Philomele (MK)- GO AWAY LUCIA
Rouge (Saga) vs 4-Tengaar (Suikos)- Implosion+Jet boots. What the fuck to Rouge beating a good Middle.

Light:

1- Zappa (CC) vs Louise (FE7)- Louise is a free win.
Rody (S3) vs Cyan Garamonde (FF6)- So is Rody.
Chelsea Torn (ToD) vs Yumei (VP1)-Thinking that she just manages the 4HKO.
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Re: Season 62 week 1: A ninja, a pirate, and a robot walk into a bar...
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2010, 05:47:04 PM »
1-Loki (VP1)  vs Elc (AtLC): Mwahahahaha. Invincible+Divide. Or just Invincible + Fire Storm.
Weisheit (XF) vs Asellus (SaGa)
Millenia (G2) vs Rubicant (FF4): Sadness.
Ash Lambert (VH) vs 3-Souji Seta (Pers4): Is sexier.

Heavy:

1-Wren (PS4) vs Lyon (S5): She doesn't do > 90% of his HP in damage, so he just heals off her magic damage and Barriers if she goes for a physical to try and lock him that way.
Lilka Eleniak (WA2) vs Lucian (VP1): God damn it. OHKOs average and yeah. Too bad Lilka doesn't have a good defense buff.
Sharon (LoL2) vs Alex (Lunar:SSSC)
Queen Zeal (CT) vs 3-Shadow (FF6): Zeal may well be faster than Shadow, so yeah.

Middle:

1-Rudy Roughknight (WA1) vs Warlock (S4): OHKOs? hell if I know.
Flare (S4) vs L'Arachel (FE8): Go first, smack L'Arachel, then just heal until she doubles (She's as fast as a standard gamebest speedster) then smack twice for the finish.
Lucia (Lunar:EBC) vs Jessica Philomele (MK): Welcome to Middle. Have a mace to the head.
Rouge (Saga) vs 4-Tengaar (Suikos): I guess she doesn't manage to kill him with Earthquake before he gets her?

Light:

1- Zappa (CC) vs Louise (FE7)
Rody (S3) vs Cyan Garamonde (FF6)
Chelsea Torn (ToD) vs Yumei (VP1): Oh my god.
Eilie (S2) vs 3-Yukari Takeba (Pers3): No thunder, natch.

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Re: Season 62 week 1: A ninja, a pirate, and a robot walk into a bar...
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2010, 10:12:20 AM »
Queen Zeal (CT)  vs 3-Shadow (FF6)

Flare (S4) vs L'Arachel (FE8)

 - Both kneejerks. Might check them later, although more likely to check just the first one. ;o

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Re: Season 62 week 1: A ninja, a pirate, and a robot walk into a bar...
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2010, 06:47:31 PM »
Godlike:

1-Loki (VP1)  vs Elc (AtLC) - Loki.  We've seen this before?!
Weisheit (XF) vs Asellus (SaGa) - Weisheit.  Not close at all.
Millenia (G2) vs Rubicant (FF4) - Rubicante
Ash Lambert (VH) vs 3-Souji Seta (Pers4) - Soji

Heavy:

1-Wren (PS4) vs Lyon (S5) - Wren
Lilka Eleniak (WA2) vs Lucian (VP1) - Lilka.  Man, these are easy.
Sharon (LoL2) vs Alex (Lunar:SSSC) - Sharon
Queen Zeal (CT) vs 3-Shadow (FF6) - Zeal.

Middle:

1-Rudy Roughknight (WA1) vs Warlock (S4) - Warlock
Flare (S4) vs L'Arachel (FE8) - Flare
Lucia (Lunar:EBC) vs Jessica Philomele (MK) - Lucia
Rouge (Saga) vs 4-Tengaar (Suikos) - Rouge.  Man, Overdrive+Stasis Rune Combo destroys Middle...he needs up in Godlike.  Just as bad as Blue.   

Light:

1- Zappa (CC) vs Louise (FE7) - Zappa
Rody (S3) vs Cyan Garamonde (FF6) - Cyan
Chelsea Torn (ToD) vs Yumei (VP1) - Chelsea
Eilie (S2) vs 3-Yukari Takeba (Pers3) - Eilie
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Re: Season 62 week 1:
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2010, 06:55:58 PM »
Weisheit (XF) vs Asellus (SaGa)- I'm pretty sure Weisheit can't deal with Glass Shield, which is just fucking shameful if it's true. (Below average called shot damage=glass shield bait)

Ignoring SaGa insane mechanics for a second, but doesn't Glass Shield only work on physical attacks?  Same with Godless?  And the other similar skills?  Doesn't that kind of mean...uh...magic/pseudomagic works fine?  I'm 99.9976555465468769876767896796976111% sure that Vermillion Sand and other attacks pierce it fine - it just is weapon-based attacks that get hit by it.
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[19:27] <%Grefter-game> Vader intercepts.
[19:27] <%Grefter-game> Touchdown and Alderaan explodes in the victory

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Re: Season 62 week 1: A ninja, a pirate, and a robot walk into a bar...
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2010, 07:45:45 PM »
Godlike:

Weisheit (XF) vs Asellus (SaGa): The strategy Super puts forward is amusing, but I don't think Asellus has the JP to make it work. I probably see her very poor in the stat indeed since training in magic hurts physical stats a fair deal relatively, and she won't want to do that for the vast majority of fights where her only use for magic is tossing out a Fascination. Even if I give her a lot, though... she needs to cast it so many times, it costs 5 JP... just doubt it's going to work unless you see her 2HKOing Weis or something like that. I definitely don't.
Millenia (G2) vs Rubicant (FF4): Yup.

Heavy:

1-Wren (PS4) vs Lyon (S5): Barrier and death immunity are bad news (definitely don't see Setting Sun as the mech-killing type).
Lilka Eleniak (WA2) vs Lucian (VP1): Yeah, her evade buff isn't good enough for turn 1.
Sharon (LoL2) vs Alex (Lunar:SSSC): Turn 2 charm if she doesn't just 2-round.
Queen Zeal (CT) vs 3-Shadow (FF6): Shadow is probably 2HKOed by Hexagon Mist or something embarrassing. At worst, though, 3HKOed and he doesn't even come close to outslugging that. He could take a crazy GRAVITY ROD stall strategy but it makes his speed and durability even worse (2HKO feels near certain now) so no.

Middle:

1-Rudy Roughknight (WA1) vs Warlock (S4): Think he tanks an EQ. Might just OHKO anyway, Warlock HP was pretty bad and I don't have the same respect for Jack's/Ceci's damage as the stat topic due to no runes.
Flare (S4) vs L'Arachel (FE8): Don't think Flare has enough shots of healing to double twice. Flare fans, I know you're out there, convince me I'm wrong, I'm lazy.
Lucia (Lunar:EBC) vs Jessica Philomele (MK): She had some timed card stuff, right? (besides healing) Something that would overpower Lucia? Break damage I probably see working eventually, at worst.
Rouge (Saga) vs 4-Tengaar (Suikos): ... riiight, Jet Boots were storebought. Somehow I never knew until now that Saga walled earth. -10 speed to get it, though. Tengaar has some crazy argument involving the now stupidly slow Rouge, spamming Vengeful Child to earn doubles, and hitting his now pathetic durability 3 times or so to win. That's... um... actually surprisingly reasonable, especially if Implosion isn't turn 1 (I'm really not sure, felt kinda borderline 1-2...). I dunno!

Light:

1- Zappa (CC) vs Louise (FE7): Surely. Zappa is decentish.
Rody (S3) vs Cyan Garamonde (FF6): It's Rody.

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Re: Season 62 week 1: A ninja, a pirate, and a robot walk into a bar...
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2010, 08:09:21 PM »
Heh, practically nothing I can vote in this week aside from Zeal > Shadow.  However, no votes on Weisheit vs. Asellus, but I will say that I definitely don't let bosses "pass" if they don't do this in-game.  So if Asellus's Glass Shield hype is go I'd definitely see Weisheit as being forced to follow up with Rank of Death and smash himself rather than just chill with charge-up moves.  Of course there's always FELIUS DUEL FORM to get around this but yeah no.

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Re: Season 62 week 1: A ninja, a pirate, and a robot walk into a bar...
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2010, 08:24:32 PM »
Godlike:

1-Loki (VP1)  vs Elc (AtLC)
Weisheit (XF) vs Asellus (SaGa)
Millenia (G2) vs Rubicant (FF4)
Ash Lambert (VH) vs 3-Souji Seta (Pers4)

Heavy:

1-Wren (PS4)
vs Lyon (S5)
Lilka Eleniak (WA2) vs Lucian (VP1)
Sharon (LoL2) vs Alex (Lunar:SSSC)
Queen Zeal (CT) vs 3-Shadow (FF6)

Middle:

1-Rudy Roughknight (WA1) vs Warlock (S4)- Yep, Warlock has about 1.15 PC damage, Rudy doesn't have quite that much HP.
Flare (S4) vs L'Arachel (FE8)- L'Arachel doesn't like my generalized damage views and Flare's excellent Skill helps offset L'Arachel's evade
Lucia (Lunar:EBC) vs Jessica Philomele (MK)- Sky Present works well.
Rouge (Saga) vs 4-Tengaar (Suikos)- I dunno. Jet Boots are a non-accessory item? Rouge's speed is bad, but don't think it's bad enough than -10 sinks...hmm, is damaging himself a little and his durability looks atrcious?

Light:

1- Zappa (CC)
vs Louise (FE7)
Rody (S3) vs Cyan Garamonde (FF6)
Chelsea Torn (ToD) vs Yumei (VP1)
Eilie (S2) vs 3-Yukari Takeba (Pers3)
...into the nightfall.

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Re: Season 62 week 1: A ninja, a pirate, and a robot walk into a bar...
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2010, 08:46:01 PM »
Snowfire: Just for clarity's sake, Weisheit isn't triggering a counter here (Glass Shield blocks everything, but only counters melee), so whether you let him pass is moot. He's wasting the turn if Glass Shield is up, but the turn isn't hurting him otherwise.

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Re: Season 62 week 1: A ninja, a pirate, and a robot walk into a bar...
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2010, 10:48:03 PM »
Flare speed?
-->Speed Oriented: +1.24 SD Speed (+0.94 when MT casting), Takes extra 45 or 27% from phys (Can be combined with more defense)

I assume that should be good enough to double in... oh however many turns she gets.

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Re: Season 62 week 1: A ninja, a pirate, and a robot walk into a bar...
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2010, 11:28:44 PM »
She has to double more than once, though. She's only 3HKOing (even against L'Arachel pdur, S4 physicals just aren't any good) and she certainly isn't hitting L'Arachel's silly evade stats 3 times in 3 shots. So she needs to double at least twice, which means with only five shots of healing she needs to get 9 turns before L'Ara gets 7.

Which apparently she does at +1.24. I'm a little skeptical that she's actually that to me since that's only with the Tai Chi Garb and quite a lot of PCs can use that, and you know my opinion of that kind of average mucking. Unfortunately, looks like I actually need to figure this out to know how to vote, because Flare's accuracy is just enough to make the kill in 4 shots (54% chance that 3 of them land, if we drop L'Arachel's evade by 12). Too lazy to do so right now, also awaiting more arguments that might make it moot. <_<

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Re: Season 62 week 1: A ninja, a pirate, and a robot walk into a bar...
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2010, 03:20:36 AM »
Godlike:

Millenia (G2) vs Rubicant (FF4) - Boomies

Heavy:

Lilka Eleniak (WA2) vs Lucian (VP1) - Lilka can't buff her evade quick enough. She gets splattered
Queen Zeal (CT) vs 3-Shadow (FF6) - At worst, Hexagon Mist gets Shadow's number. It's a high 3HKO on average defense, so Shadow opting for Gaia Gear should drop his already poor defense to 2HKO-bait range.

Middle:

1-Rudy Roughknight (WA1) vs Warlock (S4) - WA1o Rudy can't kill in one shot. ACF Rudy's going second. Both are OHKOed by Warlock.
Rouge (Saga) vs 4-Tengaar (Suikos) - ...right, JetBoots. With Earthquake blocked, I see Rouge managing to Implode Tengaar before he gets killed.

Light:

1- Zappa (CC) vs Louise (FE7) - Not Louise
Rody (S3) vs Cyan Garamonde (FF6) - Not Rody
Chelsea Torn (ToD) vs Yumei (VP1) - Geez, slapfest. Anyway, agreeing with the 4HKO due to Yumei's HP.

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Re: Season 62 week 1: A ninja, a pirate, and a robot walk into a bar...
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2010, 05:46:33 AM »
Some more thoughts on L'Arachel vs. Flare.

Flare has some MT magic damage, which would suck on L'Arachel but would get around the counters bit at least.. Could be used on turns where she isn't doubling but doesn't want to bother healing? She could also go for Sleep in those situations, although L'Arachel reduces magic status by like 50% (gogo mage Res). That'd be pretty nasty if it landed though. Not sure what the base rate is, but if it is like 85% then that's turn 3 on L'Arachel... Not sure.

(it also gets kinda bad for L'Arachel if you use crits in the fire Emblem average, and we are already doing that for Suikoden average here anyway no?)

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Re: Season 62 week 1: A ninja, a pirate, and a robot walk into a bar...
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2010, 12:01:08 PM »
Looking on it, if you allow EXAs...Rouge is slow enough to be EXA'd - he's 5 >'s below average, which is pretty massive. 

Granted, Overdrive+Stasis Rune Combo wins that anyway, but if you're looking at just base speed, he probably loses that way.
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