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Season of champions round 2-Tony picks on little girls.
« on: October 14, 2010, 02:37:09 AM »
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Jenna Angel (DDS) [S40] vs Piastol (SoA) [S37]
Profound Darkness (PS4)[S58] vs Zophar (Lunar:EBC) [S39]
Ryu (BoF4) [S14] vs Yuri Volte Hyuga (SHs) [PD, S35]
Melfice (G2) [S11] vs Kefka (FF6) [S19]

Heavy:

Ted (S4) [S40] vs Raquel Applegate (WA4) [S37]
Masaji Kato (SH2) [S58] vs Sierra Mikain (S2) [S39]
Rika (PS4) [S14] vs Rosa Harvey (FF4) [S35]
Sofia (DQ4) [S11] vs Jecht (FFX) [S19]

Middle:

Rutee Katrea (ToD) [S40] vs Juan (S3) [S37]
Peppita Rosetti (SO3) [S58] vs Tristan (OB) [S39]
Rune Walsh (PS4) [S14] vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) [S35]
Zalbard (SF2) [S11] vs Kanon (WA2) [S19]

Light:

Ricardo (SH3) [S40] vs Palom (FF4) [S37]
Shabon (S3) [S58] vs Tony (WA4) [S39]
Rhett (S3) [S14] vs Yang (FF4) [S35]
Lufia (Lufia) [S11] vs Elly van Houten (XG) [S19]
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Re: Season of champions round 2-Tony picks on little girls.
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2010, 02:50:49 AM »
Godlike:

Profound Darkness (PS4)[S58] vs Zophar (Lunar:EBC) [S39] - Kneejerk.
Melfice (G2) [S11] vs Kefka (FF6) [S19] - Clear enough to me, anyways.

Heavy:

Rika (PS4) [S14] vs Rosa Harvey (FF4) [S35] - Apparently FF4a Minerva doesn't block ID.  gj there, for all that Rika probably takes this anyways.

Middle:

Zalbard (SF2) [S11] vs Kanon (WA2) [S19] - *shrug*.

Light:

Lufia (Lufia) [S11] vs Elly van Houten (XG) [S19] - Har.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2010, 04:04:03 AM by Random Consonant »

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Re: Season of champions round 2-Tony picks on little girls.
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2010, 02:57:14 AM »
Godlike:

Jenna Angel (DDS) [S40] vs Piastol (SoA) [S37]- Skipping this for now.
Profound Darkness (PS4)[S58] vs Zophar (Lunar:EBC) [S39]- Don't think the speed makes up for PD's superior durability.
Ryu (BoF4) [S14] vs Yuri Volte Hyuga (SHs) [PD, S35]-Think Yuri going first and either buffing or damaging Ryu's MP gives him enough of an edge.
Melfice (G2) [S11] vs Kefka (FF6) [S19]- Evasion+taking Havoc Wing against back row is enough here. Kefka may be able to counter his way out of trouble, but I doubt he'll have enough time- Melfice 2HKOs him cleanly enough for me.

Heavy:

Ted (S4) [S40] vs Raquel Applegate (WA4) [S37][/b]- Ow.
Masaji Kato (SH2) [S58] vs Sierra Mikain (S2) [S39]
Rika v(PS4) [S14] vs Rosa Harvey (FF4) [S35]- No Minvera.
Sofia (DQ4) [S11] vs Jecht (FFX) [S19]- I would have so hyped an Ironize/poison strategy if Sofia had legal access to it. As it is, Jecht beam/delay gives Sofia serious problems.

Middle:

Rutee Katrea (ToD) [S40] vs Juan (S3) [S37]- Sharpness+acid rain=OHKO BLOOOOOOOOOODYYYYYYYY ROSE
Peppita Rosetti (SO3) [S58] vs Tristan (OB) [S39]- Evasion and resistances really slow down Peppita's offense/status game, and I don't think she can heal her way past Debonair's quick 2HKO.
Rune Walsh (PS4) [S14] vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) [S35]- Negatis.
Zalbard (SF2) [S11] vs Kanon (WA2) [S19]- PC Kanon.

Light:

Ricardo (SH3) [S40] vs Palom (FF4) [S37]- Ricardo is castworst for damage. Hello statusy death time.
Shabon (S3) [S58] vs Tony (WA4) [S39]- Kneejerk.
Rhett (S3) [S14] vs Yang (FF4) [S35]- I think? Yang is like double average against physicals and fast.
Lufia (Lufia) [S11] vs Elly van Houten (XG) [S19]- Lufia (The PC, not the game) sucks.
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Re: Season of champions round 2-Tony picks on little girls.
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2010, 03:49:45 AM »
Godlike:

Profound Darkness (PS4)[S58] vs Zophar (Lunar:EBC) [S39]: One-shots stuff.
Ryu (BoF4) [S14] vs Yuri Volte Hyuga (SHs) [PD, S35]: Yuri1 > Ryu4 > Yuri2, I think? Bah, how do I handle Yuri these days.: EDIT: Yuri1 misses the OHKO apparently?
Melfice (G2) [S11] vs Kefka (FF6) [S19]: Havoc Wing hits turn 2, or just 3HKO first with magic.

Heavy:

Ted (S4) [S40] vs Raquel Applegate (WA4) [S37]: Boom.
Masaji Kato (SH2) [S58] vs Sierra Mikain (S2) [S39]: Sierra lacks both status protection and massive damage, so yeah.
Rika (PS4) [S14] vs Rosa Harvey (FF4) [S35]: Not much to say here.
Sofia (DQ4) [S11] vs Jecht (FFX) [S19]: Stone is lame.

Middle:

Rune Walsh (PS4) [S14] vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) [S35]: Arnaud can't block both Silence and Death, both are turn 1 and both screw Arnaud over fairly utterly. He can try for Slow Down -> death weapon spam, I guess, although Rune does have an argument to resist slow (unsure how I feel there). Hum.
Zalbard (SF2) [S11] vs Kanon (WA2) [S19]: PC Kanon.

Light:

Ricardo (SH3) [S40] vs Palom (FF4) [S37]: Yeah, FF4o can handle this.
Shabon (S3) [S58] vs Tony (WA4) [S39]: Too much evade for Tony to hit with any reliability.
Rhett (S3) [S14] vs Yang (FF4) [S35]: Rhett blocking sleep makes this an easy outslugging.
Lufia (Lufia) [S11] vs Elly van Houten (XG) [S19]: Lufia (the game, though also the dueller, yes) sucks.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2010, 04:08:44 PM by Dark Holy Elf »

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Re: Season of champions round 2-Tony picks on little girls.
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2010, 08:35:19 AM »
Godlike:

Jenna Angel (DDS) [S40] vs Piastol (SoA) [S37]
Profound Darkness (PS4)[S58] vs Zophar (Lunar:EBC) [S39]
Ryu (BoF4) [S14] vs Yuri Volte Hyuga (SHs) [PD, S35]- Yuri 1 doesn't OHKO, Yuri 2 needs the buffing. As always, boo to any Yuri's MP damage hype
Melfice (G2) [S11] vs Kefka (FF6) [S19]

Heavy:

Ted (S4) [S40] vs Raquel Applegate (WA4) [S37]
Masaji Kato (SH2) [S58] vs Sierra Mikain (S2) [S39]
Rika (PS4) [S14] vs Rosa Harvey (FF4) [S35]
Sofia (DQ4) [S11] vs Jecht (FFX) [S19]

Middle:

Rutee Katrea (ToD) [S40] vs Juan (S3) [S37]- Gut, unless Deep Mist+Barrier allows her to take a Juan string thanks to him missing a hit or two? Gut is not to go for untested moves which tend to have a middling at best general history!
Peppita Rosetti (SO3) [S58] vs Tristan (OB) [S39]
Rune Walsh (PS4) [S14] vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) [S35]
Zalbard (SF2) [S11] vs Kanon (WA2) [S19]

Light:

Ricardo (SH3) [S40] vs Palom (FF4) [S37]
Shabon (S3) [S58] vs Tony (WA4) [S39]- Right, think Tony misses once (or may not even 2HKO) and Shabon does OHKO
Rhett (S3) [S14] vs Yang (FF4) [S35]
Lufia (Lufia) [S11] vs Elly van Houten (XG) [S19]
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Re: Season of champions round 2-Tony picks on little girls.
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2010, 09:46:50 AM »
Ryu (BoF4) [S14] vs Yuri Volte Hyuga (SHs) [PD, S35] - Only able to vote on Yuri2, and don't think he can do enough before Ryu smashes. Not certain, could be swayed on this. ;o

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Re: Season of champions round 2-Tony picks on little girls.
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2010, 01:57:48 PM »
Dhyer: Sharpness can be stacked, sooooo yeah.
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Re: Season of champions round 2-Tony picks on little girls.
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2010, 11:54:36 PM »
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Jenna Angel (DDS) [S40] vs Piastol (SoA) [S37]: Jenna formchain.
Profound Darkness (PS4)[S58] vs Zophar (Lunar:EBC) [S39]: I guess she can take him via formchain damage buffering?
Ryu (BoF4) [S14] vs Yuri Volte Hyuga (SHs) [PD, S35]: I think Yuri2 can just outlast Ryu's MP. And buffs-> murders Ryu outright if he tries any funny stuff.
Melfice (G2) [S11] vs Kefka (FF6) [S19]: Perfect physical evade gets around Kefka's best gimmick, and ... not sure beyond that. WTF at magic hype though. Why the hell would he do that if he can use Hyperdrive? Or was that a counter?

Heavy:

Ted (S4) [S40] vs Raquel Applegate (WA4) [S37]
Masaji Kato (SH2) [S58] vs Sierra Mikain (S2) [S39]
Rika (PS4) [S14] vs Rosa Harvey (FF4) [S35]: Didn't Rosa block ID and have disabling physical status?
Sofia (DQ4) [S11] vs Jecht (FFX) [S19]: Stone?

Middle:

Rutee Katrea (ToD) [S40] vs Juan (S3) [S37]:
Peppita Rosetti (SO3) [S58] vs Tristan (OB) [S39]
Rune Walsh (PS4) [S14] vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) [S35]: More than one blocker anyway.
Zalbard (SF2) [S11] vs Kanon (WA2) [S19]: I think?

Light:

Ricardo (SH3) [S40] vs Palom (FF4) [S37]
Shabon (S3) [S58] vs Tony (WA4) [S39]
Rhett (S3) [S14] vs Yang (FF4) [S35]
Lufia (Lufia) [S11] vs Elly van Houten (XG) [S19]: Lufia has like twice the damage but Sleeeeep.

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Re: Season of champions round 2-Tony picks on little girls.
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2010, 12:02:35 AM »
Godlike:

Jenna Angel (DDS) [S40] vs Piastol (SoA) [S37]
Profound Darkness (PS4)[S58] vs Zophar (Lunar:EBC) [S39] - I think?
Ryu (BoF4) [S14] vs Yuri Volte Hyuga (SHs) [PD, S35]
Melfice (G2) [S11] vs Kefka (FF6) [S19]

Heavy:

Ted (S4) [S40] vs Raquel Applegate (WA4) [S37]
Masaji Kato (SH2) [S58] vs Sierra Mikain (S2) [S39]
Rika (PS4) [S14] vs Rosa Harvey (FF4) [S35]
Sofia (DQ4) [S11] vs Jecht (FFX) [S19]

Middle:

Rutee Katrea (ToD) [S40] vs Juan (S3) [S37]
Peppita Rosetti (SO3) [S58] vs Tristan (OB) [S39]
Rune Walsh (PS4) [S14] vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) [S35]
Zalbard (SF2) [S11] vs Kanon (WA2) [S19]

Light:

Ricardo (SH3) [S40] vs Palom (FF4) [S37]
Shabon (S3) [S58] vs Tony (WA4) [S39]
Rhett (S3) [S14] vs Yang (FF4) [S35]
Lufia (Lufia) [S11] vs Elly van Houten (XG) [S19]
« Last Edit: October 15, 2010, 07:51:46 PM by Talaysen »

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Re: Season of champions round 2-Tony picks on little girls.
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2010, 12:20:14 AM »
Godlike:
Profound Darkness (PS4)[S58] vs Zophar (Lunar:EBC) [S39]
Ryu (BoF4) [S14] vs Yuri Volte Hyuga (SHs) [PD, S35]
Melfice (G2) [S11] vs Kefka (FF6) [S19]

Heavy:
Rika (PS4) [S14] vs Rosa Harvey (FF4) [S35]
Sofia (DQ4) [S11] vs Jecht (FFX) [S19]

Middle:
Rune Walsh (PS4) [S14] vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) [S35]

Light:

Ricardo (SH3) [S40] vs Palom (FF4) [S37]
Rhett (S3) [S14] vs Yang (FF4) [S35]

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Re: Season of champions round 2-Tony picks on little girls.
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2010, 12:42:33 AM »
Godlike:

Profound Darkness (PS4)[S58] vs Zophar (Lunar:EBC) [S39] - If you can't figure this out you don't know me.
Ryu (BoF4) [S14] vs Yuri Volte Hyuga (SHs) [PD, S35] - Gutcheck.

Heavy:

Ted (S4) [S40] vs Raquel Applegate (WA4) [S37] - Yep.
Rika (PS4) [S14] vs Rosa Harvey (FF4) [S35] - uh, no clue. Leaning Rika.
Sofia (DQ4) [S11] vs Jecht (FFX) [S19]

Middle:

Peppita Rosetti (SO3) [S58] vs Tristan (OB) [S39] - Ow spoiling.
Rune Walsh (PS4) [S14] vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) [S35] - ...thinking Arnaud? ...mmm, nah, this seems more Rune's fight.
Zalbard (SF2) [S11] vs Kanon (WA2) [S19] - Unless Zalbard had MT, but this is SF2 we're talking about.

Light:

Ricardo (SH3) [S40] vs Palom (FF4) [S37] - ...sad.
Shabon (S3) [S58] vs Tony (WA4) [S39]
Rhett (S3) [S14] vs Yang (FF4) [S35] - uhhh... sure. I guess.
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Re: Season of champions round 2-Tony picks on little girls.
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2010, 04:05:49 AM »
Godlike:

Jenna Angel (DDS) [S40] vs Piastol (SoA) [S37]
Profound Darkness (PS4)[S58] vs Zophar (Lunar:EBC) [S39]
Ryu (BoF4) [S14] vs Yuri Volte Hyuga (SHs) [PD, S35]
Melfice (G2) [S11] vs Kefka (FF6) [S19]

Heavy:

Ted (S4) [S40] vs Raquel Applegate (WA4) [S37]
Masaji Kato (SH2) [S58] vs Sierra Mikain (S2) [S39]
Rika (PS4) [S14] vs Rosa Harvey (FF4) [S35]
Sofia (DQ4) [S11] vs Jecht (FFX) [S19]

Middle:

Rutee Katrea (ToD) [S40] vs Juan (S3) [S37]
Peppita Rosetti (SO3) [S58] vs Tristan (OB) [S39]
Rune Walsh (PS4) [S14] vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) [S35]
Zalbard (SF2) [S11] vs Kanon (WA2) [S19]

Light:

Ricardo (SH3) [S40] vs Palom (FF4) [S37]
Shabon (S3) [S58] vs Tony (WA4) [S39]
Rhett (S3) [S14] vs Yang (FF4) [S35]
Lufia (Lufia) [S11] vs Elly van Houten (XG) [S19]

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Re: Season of champions round 2-Tony picks on little girls.
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2010, 04:40:14 AM »
Godlike:

Ryu (BoF4) [S14] vs Yuri Volte Hyuga (SHs) [PD, S35]
Melfice (G2) [S11] vs Kefka (FF6) [S19] - Showing up for the Kefka antihype as usual, he's getting OHKOed here whether Melfice's evade game even applies or not.

Heavy:

Ted (S4) [S40] vs Raquel Applegate (WA4) [S37]
Masaji Kato (SH2) [S58] vs Sierra Mikain (S2) [S39]
Sofia (DQ4) [S11] vs Jecht (FFX) [S19] What's the Poison weapon that Sofia apparently doesn't have legal access to, super?


Peppita Rosetti (SO3) [S58] vs Tristan (OB) [S39] - I could vote here but uh no.

Light:

Ricardo (SH3) [S40] vs Palom (FF4) [S37]
Shabon (S3) [S58] vs Tony (WA4) [S39]
Rhett (S3) [S14] vs Yang (FF4) [S35]
Lufia (Lufia) [S11] vs Elly van Houten (XG) [S19]

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Re: Season of champions round 2-Tony picks on little girls.
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2010, 04:50:18 AM »
Godlike:

Jenna Angel (DDS) vs Piastol (SoA)
Profound Darkness (PS4) vs Zophar (Lunar:EBC)- Stacked!
Ryu (BoF4) vs Yuri Volte Hyuga (SHs)
Melfice (G2) vs Kefka (FF6) - Snowfire: How the heck does Kefka get OHKOed? What average do you use?

Heavy:

Ted (S4) vs Raquel Applegate (WA4)
Masaji Kato (SH2) vs Sierra Mikain (S2)
Rika (PS4) vs Rosa Harvey (FF4)
Sofia (DQ4) vs Jecht (FFX)

Middle:

Rutee Katrea (ToD)  vs Juan (S3)
Peppita Rosetti (SO3)  vs Tristan (OB)
Rune Walsh (PS4) vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4)
Zalbard (SF2) vs Kanon (WA2)- Boss.

Light:

Ricardo (SH3) vs Palom (FF4)
Shabon (S3) vs Tony (WA4)
Rhett (S3) vs Yang (FF4) - ffff
Lufia (Lufia) [S11] vs Elly van Houten (XG) [S19]
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Re: Season of champions round 2-Tony picks on little girls.
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2010, 06:03:08 AM »
Well first off Melfice's damage isn't too shabby - 70-80% PCHP or so IIRC?  Even if it's a bit less it's good.  Secondly I see basically all of FF6's WoR as intended to be done *before* Kefka (unlike, say, SH2 Kato or FF7 Sephiroth, who both have a lot of insane PC stuff to be thrown at them, but that strikes me as aftergame intended a la KotR or Dark Seraphim).  Therefore Kefka is facing a bunch of spell-slinging PCs who also have a Gem Box.  Even if only one person knows Ultima, you should at least have Fire3 off Phoenix, and then there's level-up stat bonuses (I was pretty religious about swapping in the Spell Power +1), Earrings / Hero Ring, and the result is that Kefka faces a hell of a high damage average.  I want to say that if you only lightly twinked your character (say Spell Power 50, level 40) Fire3 should do around 5,000 damage to Kefka with Hero Rings?  That's PCHP right there (10 PC turns to kill = 2.5 rounds), and I'm inclined to think that there might be some things to knock the damage up from that (Sabin with Bum Rush, a character with a Gem Box, a character who knows Ultima, Terra's Morph, etc.).

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Re: Season of champions round 2-Tony picks on little girls.
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2010, 06:42:15 AM »
Gem Box is really quite hard to get, I thought? Don't you have to climb the tower of pain and pain and pain? And Ultima is weird in its own way, IIRC. I also am not sure how sold I am on the idea that Kefka should be punished for swapping Espers religiously -- too much micromanagement and prediction on the player's end which I personally did not do and would never do. Now, the Hero Ring/Earrings point is certainly fair, but I'd have to check Mel's damage to really assess that, but I don't recall it being especially high.

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Re: Season of champions round 2-Tony picks on little girls.
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2010, 06:54:45 AM »
What exactly is different about Kefka than Kato or Sephiroth? At the very least, the Fanatics' Tower is very very possibly optional, given that MagiMaster kills you + sets you back nearly an hour the first time you fight him unless you are prescient/lucky/FAQing, not to mention the risk of being wiped by L.90 Magics. Quick if FAQ-bait extraordinaire, but at least you had the good grace not to hype that. <.< Level 40 is also quite high if you skip some sidequests, though weirdly FF6 endgame level has more to do with "do you bring Celes to the Floating Continent" and "do you get lost while you only have a few PCs in the early WoR" and other midgame levelling decisions than anything else. Still, the impact on magic damage of a few levels isn't really too relevant.

-Kefka has 62k HP, so an average of, say, 5k (which I find reasonable enough, offhand) kills in 13 hits = notably above PCHP (1.42x to me, should be 1.24x even to you). And Melfice does notably below PCHP damage (low 2HKO if you learn the HP boosting skills, and given your past discussion of Sephiroth, you really should, given how much easier an HP boost they are! but even if you quibble this, that's still not a OHKO, the real debate here should be over 2HKO vs. not).

-It's rather hard to reliably have the PCs you want for Kefka, especially with the last form IDing 1-2 people in immunity-ignoring fashion as a death counter, so specific PC strategies (Bum Rush, Gem Box, and Morph all qualify) are going to have a reduced effect on the averages somewhat.

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Also (and this isn't aimed at anyone in particular), what the heck does Yuri2 do to beat Ryu4? Ryu4's offensive buffs are much more potent than Yuri2's defensive buffs, especially since Shadowalk is half-ITD anyway meaning the defensive buffs don't even work very well. And Shadowwalk -starts- at OHKO damage. Stat topic doesn't actually list max-might Shadowwalk but it should be easily into 5 digits. Rika could win this only because she could do the evade buff thing, Yuri doesn't have that.

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Re: Season of champions round 2-Tony picks on little girls.
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2010, 07:01:24 AM »
Does Ryu need Kaiser to set up this uber shadow walk, or can he do it with a lesser dragon? Cuz if Ryu4 needs a really expensive dragon form to kill through Yuri's buffs, Yuri just spams the awesome SH2 defend command and his SP holds out longer than Ryu's AP.

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Re: Season of champions round 2-Tony picks on little girls.
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2010, 12:17:57 PM »
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She doesn't have any access to a poison weapon, I was just theorycrafting a little. Poisoning the target+IRONIZE spam is hilarious but sadly is out here.
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Re: Season of champions round 2-Tony picks on little girls.
« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2010, 01:01:56 PM »
Just as a totally random side interjection re: Kefka, I don't recall ever having any issues getting the people I wanted up to him so long as I was careful with revival, and I never really FAQd fights/bosses. How precisely does this death counter work, I guess is what I'm trying to ask?

(this being said I'm surprised anyone is surprised at low Kefka respect around here anymore but that's me. <_<;;;)

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Re: Season of champions round 2-Tony picks on little girls.
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2010, 03:16:24 PM »
The final form randomly knocks out 1-2 people with unimmunable instant death at the end. You can get lucky and dodge it (it's not perfectly accurate) or keep Life 3 on everyone (need to watch out for dispel, but if you're careful and reapply it...) granted, but I have trouble assuming either. Form 2 also has some high offence in general towards the end of the fight, especially with its death counters, but the most durable part doesn't have a deadly death counter so yeah, being careful with revival will handle things there. I just don't always consider this practical.

I have no real issue with low Kefka respect! Though I do take some issue with it if you're going to turn around and respect Melfice to any considerable degree, since he's at least as easy to do absolutely horrible things to in-game. Granted, I can definitely see how low respect to both would lead to a Melfice victory, especially if you manage to maintain respect for Melfice evade.

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Does Ryu need Kaiser to set up this uber shadow walk, or can he do it with a lesser dragon?

Might is on Weyr, which is cheaper than Kaiser at least. Oddly Ryu has relatively little use for Kaiser in this fight unless you see Kaiserbreath OHKOing - its main advantage over other forms is its full status blocking.

I don't allow SH2 defend in general (hi totally non-unique command) but even if I did I wouldn't see it working against the breath attacks, which do high 2HKO damage in general, so Ryu could do something like breath attack -> (Does Yuri heal? y -> Kill with breath. n -> Kill with Shadowwalk). Heck, the only reason this needs setup is to ensure that the buffs are bypassed (probably only needs 1-2 mights at most), so long as you see Ryu and Yuri keeping up with each other somewhat in speed (and since the relevant Ryu forms here get 1.5x multipliers, they should be in the same ballpark regardless of how you handle TB speed) this should be an easy win.

Oh yeah, and before I forget, Ryu has 75% resistance to draining attacks in general (too lazy to check which if any non-kaiser dragons make this 100%), so even if you respect Mind Absorber normally, it's not going to be doing much here.

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Re: Season of champions round 2-Tony picks on little girls.
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2010, 04:23:49 PM »
(this being said I'm surprised anyone is surprised at low Kefka respect around here anymore but that's me. <_<;;;)

Well, I'm not surprised, I just think it's a product of FF6 being a game that is known too well and thus people get a higher percentage of its crazy obscure shit. I don't think that should be held against the game's bosses.
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Re: Season of champions round 2-Tony picks on little girls.
« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2010, 04:47:21 PM »
I'd agree with not holding the game's shit against it except I can't say I had any problems even when I was younger and didn't have this fancy Intenrtes you whippersnappers are always using. (Granted I don't see any problem with your stances either, just, I don't hold them. That side comment was more me snarking about DL in general.)

Also... hm. I can't even say I had Life 3 first time through, so I've no fuck why !Calmness (I looked it up myself as well. Can't you just kill Sleep and then Girl, thus giving you time to recover after Sleep falls?) didn't give me fits.

This being said yeah I remember Melfice being about as breakable but that's it and I don't remember him well enough anymore to vote on him.

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Re: Season of champions round 2-Tony picks on little girls.
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2010, 05:20:40 PM »
Godlike:

Jenna Angel (DDS) [S40] vs Piastol (SoA) [S37]
Profound Darkness (PS4)[S58] vs Zophar (Lunar:EBC) [S39]
Ryu (BoF4) [S14] vs Yuri Volte Hyuga (SHs) [PD, S35]
Melfice (G2) [S11] vs Kefka (FF6) [S19]

Heavy:

Ted (S4) [S40] vs Raquel Applegate (WA4) [S37]
Masaji Kato (SH2) [S58] vs Sierra Mikain (S2) [S39]
Rika (PS4) [S14] vs Rosa Harvey (FF4) [S35]
Sofia (DQ4) [S11] vs Jecht (FFX) [S19]

Middle:

Rutee Katrea (ToD) [S40] vs Juan (S3) [S37]
Peppita Rosetti (SO3) [S58] vs Tristan (OB) [S39]
Rune Walsh (PS4) [S14] vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) [S35]
Zalbard (SF2) [S11] vs Kanon (WA2) [S19]

Light:

Ricardo (SH3) [S40] vs Palom (FF4) [S37]
Shabon (S3) [S58] vs Tony (WA4) [S39]
Rhett (S3) [S14] vs Yang (FF4) [S35]
Lufia (Lufia) [S11] vs Elly van Houten (XG) [S19]
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Re: Season of champions round 2-Tony picks on little girls.
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2010, 05:46:00 PM »
Re: Kefka

I'm more surprised that more people don't consider back row. There's no reason not to use it in game, considering FF6 enemies are competent at physicals and most of the skillsets ignore row. That also includes the best physical setup of the game (Fixed dice+offering).

Kefka has a couple of calls along those lines (First turn speed as well, though I don't agree with that one) that really hurt his DL value regardless of HP scaling.
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