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Proving grounds (sorta)Middle: Saga, FF8, FE10
« on: November 16, 2010, 12:00:39 PM »
Mestharim (Saga) vs Nightburn (WA5)
Mestharim (Saga) vs Shiego (SO2)
Mestharim (Saga) vs Pahn (S1)
Mestharim (Saga) vs Gallows (WA3)
Mestharim (Saga) vs Lo Wen (S2)
Mestharim (Saga) vs Barret (FF7)
Mestharim (Saga) vs Cormag (FE7?)
Mestharim (Saga) vs Adray (SO3)
Mestharim (Saga) vs Cray (BoF4)
Mestharim (Saga) vs Vesper (SO2)

Seifer (FF8) vs Nightburn (WA5)
Seifer vs Shiego (SO2)
Seifer vs Pahn (S1)
Seifer vs Gallows (WA3)
Seifer vs Lo Wen (S2)
Seifer vs Barret (FF7)
Seifer vs Cormag (FE7?)
Seifer vs Adray (SO3)
Seifer vs Cray (BoF4)
Seifer vs Vesper (SO2)

Haar (FE10) vs Nightburn (WA5)
Haar vs Shiego (SO2)
Haar vs Pahn (S1)
Haar vs Gallows (WA3)
Haar vs Lo Wen (S2)
Haar vs Barret (FF7)
Haar vs Cormag (FE7?)
Haar vs Adray (SO3)
Haar vs Cray (BoF4)
Haar vs Vesper (SO2)
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Re: Proving grounds (sorta)Middle: Saga, FF8, FE10
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2010, 04:11:55 PM »
Mestharim (Saga) vs Shiego (SO2)- I don't think Mes can deal with stone, and she is a terrible blitzer.
Mestharim (Saga) vs Pahn (S1)- Pahn MDef. Mes isn't OHKO bait like most Mystics, so even if Pahn gets a turn he'll still be in trouble.
Mestharim (Saga) vs Gallows (WA3)-Kneejerking
Mestharim (Saga) vs Lo Wen (S2)- UM.
Mestharim (Saga) vs Barret (FF7)- Glass shield a limit, outslug/chip otherwise. Barret's complete lack of damage hurts.
Mestharim (Saga) vs Cormag (FE8)- Cormag's RES sinks him.
Mestharim (Saga) vs Adray (SO3)- MP busting. Glass shield is useless here, and Adray immunes her best status (stone).
Mestharim (Saga) vs Cray (BoF4)- Cray is glass shield bait.
Mestharim (Saga) vs Vesper (SO2)- MP busting.

Seifer vs Shiego (SO2)
Seifer vs Pahn (S1)- Speed advantage.
Seifer vs Gallows (WA3)- No idea.
Seifer vs Lo Wen (S2)- Heal her way out of trouble.
Seifer vs Barret (FF7)- Barret's strictly a spoiler thanks to poor damage.
Seifer vs Cormag (FE8)- I think? He can mostly avoid limits.
Seifer vs Adray (SO3)- Think he can overwhelm Adray's healing.
Seifer vs Cray (BoF4)- Buff, smash.
Seifer vs Vesper (SO2)- Vesper is ;_; when he isn't spoiling.

Haar vs Shiego (SO2)- Outslugs puny status boss.
Haar vs Pahn (S1)- Goes first.
Haar vs Gallows (WA3)- Haar can handle healers well enough.
Haar vs Lo Wen (S2)
Haar vs Barret (FF7)- Haar is very happy he's not weak to projectiles.
Haar vs Cormag (FE7?)- Same game, better at it.
Haar vs Adray (SO3)- Magical status.
Haar vs Cray (BoF4)- Haar doubles are horrible, horrible death.
Haar vs Vesper (SO2)

Haar: 8-1
Seifer: 6-2
Mes: 5-3
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Re: Proving grounds (sorta)Middle: Saga, FF8, FE10
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2010, 07:39:29 PM »
Mestharim (Saga) vs Shiego (SO2) - Petrify probably works well enough here despite the low odds, sure.
Mestharim (Saga) vs Pahn (S1) - Pahn is doing what here, exactly?
Mestharim (Saga) vs Lo Wen (S2) - pass
Mestharim (Saga) vs Barret (FF7) - The ID can be GlassShield'd? *shrug*  Slapfest.
Mestharim (Saga) vs Cormag (FE8) - Sure
Mestharim (Saga) vs Cray (BoF4) - Yes I am sure Cray can pull this off with his MIGHTY earth magic.
Mestharim (Saga) vs Vesper (SO2) - Sure.

Seifer vs Shiego (SO2) - PC form might pull this off?
Seifer vs Pahn (S1) - lol Pahn
Seifer vs Lo Wen (S2) - Unsure
Seifer vs Barret (FF7) - Seeing a limit = death either way here.  Seifer sees one far earlier.
Seifer vs Cormag (FE8) - Cormag can play chipsmash games!  It just doesn't matter.
Seifer vs Cray (BoF4) - Unsure
Seifer vs Vesper (SO2) - Vesper damage is not great.
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Re: Proving grounds (sorta)Middle: Saga, FF8, FE10
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2010, 09:28:46 PM »
Mes can block ID.
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Re: Proving grounds (sorta)Middle: Saga, FF8, FE10
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2010, 09:38:49 PM »
...right, I keep forgetting SF has ID blockers.
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Re: Proving grounds (sorta)Middle: Saga, FF8, FE10
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2010, 10:36:22 PM »
Cormag is FE8
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Re: Proving grounds (sorta)Middle: Saga, FF8, FE10
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2010, 12:30:42 PM »
Seifer vs Barret (FF7) - Sees a Limit earlier, wins.
Seifer vs Cormag (FE8) - PC Seifer. He's kinda good.
Seifer vs Cray (BoF4) - Hmm. Cray can go for the damage buff and the defence buff here. If he goes defensive, then Seifer's probably still winning out in the long run. But... hmm. Damage buff might see him through. Might change the vote if someone maths it out.

Haar vs Barret (FF7) - Man, Barret's Limits kinda fail against non-mages.
Haar vs Cormag (FE8) - Yeaaaaah.
Haar vs Cray (BoF4) - Oh christ. Cray does not like FEers in general, does he?
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Re: Proving grounds (sorta)Middle: Saga, FF8, FE10
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2010, 12:42:28 AM »
Mestharim (Saga) vs Nightburn (WA5) - Outslugs
Mestharim (Saga) vs Shiego (SO2) - Stone
Mestharim (Saga) vs Pahn (S1) - Glass Shield + Phantasm Shot is enough.
Mestharim (Saga) vs Gallows (WA3) - Kneejerk that she outdamages him.
Mestharim (Saga) vs Barret (FF7) - Status
Mestharim (Saga) vs Cormag (FE7?) - Glass Shield
Mestharim (Saga) vs Adray (SO3) - Yep. MP Busting. Also, I allow SO3 characters to MP-kill.
Mestharim (Saga) vs Cray (BoF4) - Glass Shield
Mestharim (Saga) vs Vesper (SO2) - MP Busting. I allow Mystic Absorb skills, which may tip this, but I'm not sure whether Vesper's MP busting should hit both WP and JP since SO2 physical skills run on the same fuel as SO2 spells... Leaning this way for now

Seifer (FF8) vs Nightburn (WA5) - Not sure.
Seifer vs Shiego (SO2) - Probably?
Seifer vs Pahn (S1)
Seifer vs Gallows (WA3)
Seifer vs Barret (FF7) - 50% starting Limit meter tips this in Barret's favor.
Seifer vs Cormag (FE7?) - Cormag just offers the Limit up on a silver platter.
Seifer vs Adray (SO3) - Adray can handle the boss form with his healing, and he just chips/statuses out the PC form.
Seifer vs Cray (BoF4)
Seifer vs Vesper (SO2)

Haar (FE10) vs Nightburn (WA5) - Sure.
Haar vs Shiego (SO2)
Haar vs Pahn (S1)
Haar vs Gallows (WA3) - Wrong element, Gallows~
Haar vs Barret (FF7) - Haar just kinda gives up a limit with the 50% starting meter.
Haar vs Cormag (FE7?) - Easy
Haar vs Adray (SO3) - I wanna say he blitzes before Adray can land a status.
Haar vs Cray (BoF4) - Blitz blitz blitz
Haar vs Vesper (SO2) - Yep
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Re: Proving grounds (sorta)Middle: Saga, FF8, FE10
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2010, 02:12:22 AM »
Haar (FE10) vs Nightburn (WA5) Graviton + Speed
Haar vs Gallows (WA3)
Haar vs Barret (FF7)
Haar vs Cormag (FE8)
Haar vs Cray (BoF4)
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Re: Proving grounds (sorta)Middle: Saga, FF8, FE10
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2010, 03:57:08 AM »
Mestharim (Saga) vs Nightburn (WA5): Should be able to power past Rune Magic's tricks.
Mestharim (Saga) vs Shiego (SO2): Mes' damage is kinda okay almost! BUt only almost. She gets stoned. EDIT: Or not! FREEDOM RUNE. Uh, anyone know how long this one lasts? Though honestly, if it's more than one shot it's probably enough. Rest of Shigeo's offence is VitalityRune bait. If he had just a bit more damage I'd say he could win this because Mes needs to waste so many turns keeping her buffs active, but as is... yeah.
Mestharim (Saga) vs Pahn (S1): Cockatrice.
Mestharim (Saga) vs Gallows (WA3): Cockatrice.
Mestharim (Saga) vs Lo Wen (S2): Hm, if Cockatrice is turn 1, easy win. If it's not, then... I dunno. Mes probably uses VitalityRune to tank out a SL, and wins from there?
Mestharim (Saga) vs Barret (FF7): Thinking Mes' damage is poor enough to give Barret an UNGARMAX, which... actually, may not let him win, Mes just waits for a double (SoulRune, she gets these often enough, puts up WALL RUNE and can tink a limit nicely. If Barret has a L1, she does the same thing to dodge Mindblow.
Mestharim (Saga) vs Cormag (FE7?): Cockatrice.
Mestharim (Saga) vs Adray (SO3): When in doubt, vote against Adray. Fascination probably fucks him up well enough. It's pretty much a race of Fascination lockdown failing twice (assuming Adray MP 2HKO?) vs. PhantasmShot landing something nasty or Mes just killing with damage (helps that she has legal WP-based damage to finish off a close race between these two if necessary).
Mestharim (Saga) vs Cray (BoF4): The status halving makes this tougher than normal, but VitalityRune + GlassShield should stall out anything Cray does and Cockatrice is still turn 3 at worst.
Mestharim (Saga) vs Vesper (SO2): MP kill.

Seifer (FF8) vs Nightburn (WA5): I think. Tanks a limit well enough, and isn't going to see two due to good damage control.
Seifer vs Shiego (SO2)
Seifer vs Pahn (S1)
Seifer vs Gallows (WA3): Gallows isn't the best..
Seifer vs Lo Wen (S2): Should be able to heal and win well enough. Down Rune helps, too.
Seifer vs Barret (FF7): Gets a limit earlier, yeah.
Seifer vs Cormag (FE7?): I think.
Seifer vs Adray (SO3): lulz Adray healing
Seifer vs Cray (BoF4): Cray's defence buffs lead to tinkery.
Seifer vs Vesper (SO2): Yep.

Haar (FE10) vs Nightburn (WA5): Probably doubles.
Haar vs Shiego (SO2): Sure, I'll buy this.
Haar vs Pahn (S1): Counters.
Haar vs Gallows (WA3): Stun.
Haar vs Lo Wen (S2): Stun overwhelms.
Haar vs Barret (FF7): Hammerblow. Barret is quite tanky so he gets his L2 quite easily.
Haar vs Cormag (FE7?): Just barely avoids being doubled, and is probably better from there.
Haar vs Adray (SO3): Allegedly his status doesn't fail. Sure, why not.
Haar vs Cray (BoF4): Yep, I'm buying a Haar double, here.
Haar vs Vesper (SO2)

Mesarthim 8-2
Haar 7-3
Seifer 7-3

This Middle pool is terrible. I don't think any of the three challengers are this great.
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