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Re: Playin' any games today, Flying Nun? (WGAYP - 2011 Edition)
« Reply #125 on: January 13, 2011, 03:50:26 PM »
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Golden Sun: Dark Dawn - Fuck this game.  Fuck it in its stupid fucking everything.  It pushed beyond the point of mediocrity in how far it will stretch being mind numbingly dull.  The fetch quests have no end in sight as the fetch quest that started the game is resolution to another fetch quest that we only just recently got (that we still have other things spiral off to fetch to get answers from).  I lost my patience with a 10 minute text scroll of bad dialogue between a Djinn and 2 Trees that told us that the princess fetch quests were in another castle.  I hate everything.

So...the game is Lufia 1?
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Re: Playin' any games today, Flying Nun? (WGAYP - 2011 Edition)
« Reply #126 on: January 13, 2011, 03:53:36 PM »
No.  Lufia 1 is a fucking masterpiece compared to this shit.  Lufia 1 has actual classical story telling techniques in it.  Lufia 1 is regardless of all the bullshit an overarching plot that is a love story.

This game is about getting a feather to fix a jetpack that some dick head broke.  I am about to get that feather and in doing so going to keep going with more sidequest bullshit that oh my god just make it fucking stop.

Edit - I am clearly not framing this properly.  There has been a single sequence with the main villains at this point it is a good few hours into the game and is long out of sight by now.  One scene with someone who is probably a lackey that was never properly defined and happened a couple of hours after the main villains.  Otherwise there has been absolutely zero interaction with your antagonists.  It has just been chains of fetch quests to do completely bat shit insane random bullshit.

Edit 2 - That is right.  This is a game about a magic back pack and it is FUCKING BORING AS SHIT.  HOW THE FUCK DO YOU SCREW THIS UP.

Edit 3 - I haven't been this pissed off about a game since FF13 god fucking dammit.
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Re: Playin' any games today, Flying Nun? (WGAYP - 2011 Edition)
« Reply #127 on: January 13, 2011, 04:09:13 PM »
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Re: Playin' any games today, Flying Nun? (WGAYP - 2011 Edition)
« Reply #128 on: January 13, 2011, 04:23:39 PM »
My experience in chat this evening (Just the relevant parts)
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[00:19]   <Grefter>   ;'jklfdsff THIS GAME
[00:20]   <Grefter>   So go through a forest maze in Golden Sun. Jump on a Tree branch. Get lifted up and talk to a tree with a face on it. Half way through the conversation the party gets suprised by a talking cliff right behind them that they didn't see.
   <Grefter>   This entire fucking game is full of "ERrrr what do we do here? Oh I know talking cliff from original games"
[00:21]   I wish someone had been actually physically pregnant with the idea of this game.
   So I could build a time machine and punch them in the stomach.
   <Grefter>   So then the fact that this game is a complete and total miscarriage would at least be my fault.

   <Grefter>   Wait, sorry, it isn't a talking cliff.
   It is an arse ugly tree that just looks like it is made of rock.
[00:25]   <Grefter>   STOP TALKING OH MY GODS JUST STOP TALKING
   <Grefter>   For fucks sake.
   So much stupid shitty dialogue to get a fetch quest.
   And it still isn't over.
[00:28]   <superaielman>   You really make that game sound worse than GS1.
   <Grefter>   We have to have the next part of another fetch quest pushed along.
   <superaielman>   And that is pretty damn bad
[00:29]   <Grefter>   It should be played.
   FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
   FUCK FUCKING FUCK YOU
   <Grefter>   The solution to the next fetch quest?
[00:30]   Involves resolving the fetch quest that starts the fucking game.
   MY GODS I WANT TO FUCKING PUNCH SOMETHING>
[00:31]   <SageAcrin>   So basically they decided that what people liked about Golden Sun was "Everything" and didn't bother examining anything and instead cloned GS1 in a haphazard way that accidentally made more fetchquests, then tossed in GS2's battle system.
   I see.
   <Grefter>   SO MANY FETCH QUESTS.
   I can't keep up with why we are going fucking anywhere anymore.
[00:32]   <Grefter>   AND THEY ARE STILL TALKING.
[00:33]   <Grefter>   Subtracting five minutes for me to bitch about it.
   <Grefter>   That is 10 minutes of raw text scroll.
   To be told to go away.
   I hate this game.
   This is the first time I actually ahve hated it.
   Not just it being bad.
   <Grefter>   I just straight up fucking hate it now.
[00:36]   <Grefter>   Nonononononon onononononon o don't make my read more tlaking after walking one screen.

[00:39]   <Grefter>   stoptalkingstoptalkingstoptalking

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Re: Playin' any games today, Flying Nun? (WGAYP - 2011 Edition)
« Reply #129 on: January 13, 2011, 04:49:15 PM »
Doesn't sound that much like GS1, since while that game did lack a lot of interaction with the villains, at least most of the stuff that wasn't villain interaction was trying to get to where the villains are.  Or early stuff and therefore framing exactly why what just happened is bad, and why you need to try and put the world to rights which is helpful in a better game where the second half builds off of that established premise.

Or, to put it bluntly, GS1 has a story that you are actively working on.  Whereas this sounds like you don't even spend much time working on the primary story that the game gives you.

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« Reply #130 on: January 13, 2011, 05:05:58 PM »
My experience with GS:DD was basically the same as Grefter's.  I played it until getting the fifth party member and after sitting through an ass-long cutscene to get a spell that TELLS YOU THE SOLUTION TO PUZZLES I just finally said fuck it and traded that garbage in.  What a worthless game.  I mean, Golden Sun 1 wasn't that great of a game in the first place, but it wipes its ass with this one.

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« Reply #131 on: January 13, 2011, 06:18:59 PM »
FE6 - Tee hee, about to get the Sword of Seals. Hell yeah baby. I'm going to ruin Zephy's shit so hard it's not even funny.
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« Reply #132 on: January 13, 2011, 09:10:35 PM »
PSP acquired! I was going to try out my copy of Monster Hunter Freedom Unite except Gamestop put the wrong UMD in the case. Gooooo retail employees. Also I'm downloading Advance Portable in preparation for hackage, because apparently that's pretty simple with a 2000 model.
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« Reply #133 on: January 13, 2011, 09:31:01 PM »
Softmodding is simple in the 3000 version too. Yours is just more permanent and less annoying. *Shakes fist impotently.*
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« Reply #134 on: January 13, 2011, 11:08:47 PM »
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Golden Sun: Dark Dawn - Fuck this game.  Fuck it in its stupid fucking everything.  It pushed beyond the point of mediocrity in how far it will stretch being mind numbingly dull.  The fetch quests have no end in sight as the fetch quest that started the game is resolution to another fetch quest that we only just recently got (that we still have other things spiral off to fetch to get answers from).  I lost my patience with a 10 minute text scroll of bad dialogue between a Djinn and 2 Trees that told us that the princess fetch quests were in another castle.  I hate everything.

So...the game is Lufia 1?

Sounds more like Breath of Fire 3 minus interesting characters and beating shit up with dragons.

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« Reply #135 on: January 13, 2011, 11:44:02 PM »
To be honest it sounds like the only good thing about GS:DD was that it enflamed the obsessive shipping communities that TVTropes tells me exist for the original Golden Sun games.

Although the fact that Golden Sun has hardcore shippers is vaguely depressing in its own right.

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Re: Playin' any games today, Flying Nun? (WGAYP - 2011 Edition)
« Reply #136 on: January 14, 2011, 12:03:39 AM »
Legaia 2: Complete!

Mystic Arts wasted Avalon so hard. Go go Tireless Ribbons.

I enjoyed the game. It's very mediocre, but it's good at what it tries to do. The Art comboing system is easy and intuitive and the encounter rate is low enough that sitting through the ridiculously long Arts animations for the entire game doesn't get as repetitive as I had predicted it would. Though by the final dungeon, you can bet I was all about the No Encounters skill. The battle system had just worn out its welcome by then.

The game's story was... there. It was more about its characters, which were far better than I was expecting considering that -none- of them fell into anime tropes that I normally like. Lang was saved by his dialogue options. Kazan was awesome by virtue of turning the story into a martial arts flick. Sharon was genuinely funny a few times. Ayne was just kinda there, but his unexpected fatherhood thing was kinda cool. The less said about Maya, the better, though. Avalon was just kinda there, too. Velna somehow managed to be a more deep villain there. Oddly, the three members of the quirky miniboss squad were far more developed, and really lent to the amusing nature of the earlygame. So... a decent cast overall, though nothing special.

The game feels a lot like Grandia to me. A simple adventure with colorful characters on both sides of the conflict. Although in Legaia 2's favor is the fact that it had actually competent challenges to overcome in terms of gameplay. Probably the game's strongest point is that it is well-balanced throughout. Or maybe it's not as well-balanced as I think, I didn't figure out Mystic Arts until Avalon, so that might have changed my opinion.

tl;dr: 4.5/10 game, possibly 5 if I'm feeling generous. It exceeded my expectations, but that's not saying much.

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I had played the first half of this game in Japanese, but as I don't have an HDTV, I could hardly read any of the text, and had to muddle through what was going on based entirely on the fairly rare voiced sections.

Playing it in English, I -still- can't read most of the text because developers seem to think that everyone who buys the new systems has an awesome TV so they can make the text super-small. It was hard enough in 360's ToV, but apparently we've gotten even further into the realm of microscopic text. It gives me a headache to play it, but at least my native language is more intelligible in too-small text. Dear god, I have no idea how even native Japanese speakers can make out kanji in that font size.

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« Reply #137 on: January 14, 2011, 01:14:16 AM »
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Golden Sun: Dark Dawn - Fuck this game.  Fuck it in its stupid fucking everything.  It pushed beyond the point of mediocrity in how far it will stretch being mind numbingly dull.  The fetch quests have no end in sight as the fetch quest that started the game is resolution to another fetch quest that we only just recently got (that we still have other things spiral off to fetch to get answers from).  I lost my patience with a 10 minute text scroll of bad dialogue between a Djinn and 2 Trees that told us that the princess fetch quests were in another castle.  I hate everything.

So...the game is Lufia 1?

Sounds more like Breath of Fire 3 minus interesting characters and beating shit up with dragons.

Difference being BoF 3 actively has active antagonists for a large part of it blocking your way for the first half and the second half is largely spent trying to overcome insurmountable barriers that were actively setup that way by the main antagonist.  The game relies on a grand total of one natural disaster blocking your way (volcano erupted).

I honestly don't have anything to describe just how layered the bullshit is here.  If I can pull together my bile enough I will find a map of it online and map out where you had to go for what just to give people a visual example of it.
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Re: Playin' any games today, Flying Nun? (WGAYP - 2011 Edition)
« Reply #138 on: January 14, 2011, 01:59:01 AM »
Resonance of Fate-

Chapter 4. Still owns.

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« Reply #139 on: January 14, 2011, 02:05:07 AM »
I honestly don't have anything to describe just how layered the bullshit is here.  If I can pull together my bile enough I will find a map of it online and map out where you had to go for what just to give people a visual example of it.

Please do. This is highly entertaining.

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« Reply #140 on: January 14, 2011, 04:09:53 AM »
Grefter's pain is our schadenfreude.

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Also, Marionette is how you do a boss right!  Massive AOE death to everyone.

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« Reply #141 on: January 14, 2011, 10:58:43 AM »
Domingo egg is for chapter four. Poke around the caravan town until you find a dude with an incubator. Can't remember if this is on your first or second visit there, but Domingo's permanently missed if you don't take your one chance, so just talk to everyone. And yeah, Marionette is fairly badass. ...Probably moreso than any other boss in the game, really.

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« Reply #142 on: January 14, 2011, 11:09:18 AM »
Also, Marionette is how you do a boss right!  Massive AOE death to everyone.

You'll never fight a boss as competent as Marionette ever again in the game.
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« Reply #143 on: January 14, 2011, 01:39:19 PM »
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« Reply #144 on: January 14, 2011, 03:16:36 PM »
Golden Sun DD sounds like it should have been called Golden Sun Yo Dawg with a picture of Xhibit on the front of the game instead of...whoever the hell it is on the front cover.

Yo dawg, I herd you liek fetch quests, so I put a fetch quest in a fetch quest so you can get stuff while you get stuff.
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« Reply #145 on: January 15, 2011, 04:04:12 AM »
In the brief update world.

Mass Effect: Beat it and it was awesome.

Mass Effect 2: Beat it and it was awesomer.

My life is now hollow since I clearly have nothing worth looking forward to until ME3.

Now you have time to play inFamous at least!

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« Reply #146 on: January 15, 2011, 05:44:48 AM »
Valkyrie Profile Lenneth (PSP)- Good ending get. I didn't cry too much - I was mostly all bawwed out after sending Lucian up to Asgard >.>

Final levels: Lenneth 33, Arngrim L33, Aelia L27, Shiho L26 -  Asgard Hill say hi to max Auto Item and Guts abuse, also CT say hi to max Auto Item and Guts abuse since I never had to abuse this combo before (well I used Guts for most of the game but not auto item) I imagine going through Palace of the Dragons and/or using the Creation Jewel to get good equips would have made it a different story perhaps.

On FFXIII the problem with the fight at the end of C11 is that he has a stagger/chain bar reset ability so it's probably impossible to defeat him in one stagger without a hell of a lot of grinding, Fang and a Genji Glove. Probably can do it with other characters and a Genji too but that would require even moar grinding. I didn't manage it with a Vanille, Light, Hope team with all three main roles maxxed, extensive secondary role development, a Genji and max Tier 2* for all and having an early Genji was kind of irrellevent there anyway considering none of them was breaking the damage cap yet, waste of an accessory slot, STR/MAG boosters would have probably worked better (Vanille did hit 99'999 when COM's Scourge ability triggered as he was ending his second stagger, which finished him off though) Of course he still went down in less than two minutes with pre battle shroud regardless but it's the principle of the thing!
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« Reply #147 on: January 15, 2011, 03:50:14 PM »
Well, in the case of FF13 bosses after a point, its clear they wanted you to actually do things besides just going "Stagger = Win"; almost every boss fight to that point reaches that.  They needed to find ways around it, and Chap 11's boss having Anti-Chain Gauge tricks, and good amount of health is...well, basically just one way.  Think of it as a hint to "You're going to need to try some new things out."  God forbid the game tries to avoid being stagnant with gameplay strategies on bosses.

Its really no different than any XS2 Boss built to not die to one major Aerial Chain you've built up, but rather, forces you to actually consider when to time it and all that.   Granted, I think XS2 started with gimmick ways around it like Albedo before FF13, but then FF13 doesn't let you change your party until much later, so the strategies you were adopting were "Get use to your new forced team."
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« Reply #148 on: January 15, 2011, 04:48:27 PM »
XS3 - Back to the trainwreck. Now we're supposed to enter loligoth Fei's giant prehensile penis Abel's Ark or something.
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« Reply #149 on: January 16, 2011, 06:24:02 AM »
FE6 - Completed. I like the resolution of the story well enough, for all that I wish there had been one more major Gwen/Zephy scene in there. Probably wouldn't fit but oh well. I liked the fact that the Dark Priestess turned out to be not a mind-altering harpy like I had feared, but just a tool of a master. The PC cast is pretty fucking worthless but the game has some cool villains. Brenya is not in love with Zephiel! How utterly relieving (and sad that this is in fact relieving). Zephiel feels like a better version of the Van/Kato trope (driven to desperate measures by events in their lives) because his motives are a little less wanked on. He doesn't really even mention why he is so twisted and doesn't use it as an excuse to justify his behavior, which is nice.

FE7- Just to see kawaii Zephy-chu~~~
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