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Re: Playin' any games today, Flying Nun? (WGAYP - 2011 Edition)
« Reply #950 on: March 31, 2011, 11:27:04 PM »
Read Super's post and frantically searched to see if I somehow missed FF4:PSP's release date. I did not, so I have to assume he is playing a version from a distortional rift in the frabic of time and space.

Or a Jpn copy. >_>

Either way, props to that guy.

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So...I spend a lot of my time at my gfs house. She does not have a bunch of rpgs, but she mentioned that she tried playing FFX a long time ago, but could not get far in the game. Something about that genre not being her style. The two fo us enjoy playing games together. Whether it be Donkey Kong of New Mario bros or even Black ops. I thought I might try to see if I could get her to play a RPG with me, but as you all know the multiplayer RPGs are few and far between. But there is a series that manages to have some sort of multiplayer option available, and I figured I might as well try so...

Tales of Symphonia: Man the early dialogue in this game is cheesy. I haven't played this game in forever. I seem to recall it being easier with one player too! At least she is enjoying it, I think!

For now, she is 1st player controlling Lloyd. She thinks I have this rain man-type memory for every rpg I have ever played. That is only the case with all those SNES rpgs. The PS1 and beyond games are all fuzzy since I only played them once usually.

I am controlling Kratos for back up healing and making sure we have a large selection of life bottle readily available. Raiine is zipping through her MP in no time. I need to find a way to reduce the cost of her spells. Kratos will serve as a nice reminder of how Zelos plays, because there is no way I am keeping Cam Clarke in favor of Zelos Wilder. The dude should remain as awesome as I remember him. He wears PINK for Gawd sake.

The two of us managed to get all the way to Asgard, but we missed the next part of the story so we have to backtrack to that one port town to continue our journey. She still insists that I know exactly what I am doing. Ha! We did get to stock up on some nice gear in Asgad though. I wonder if the two of us will beat the game...
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Re: Playin' any games today, Flying Nun? (WGAYP - 2011 Edition)
« Reply #951 on: March 31, 2011, 11:30:34 PM »
Man... of all the Tales games, you choose like the worst one that isn't Eternia?

At least hit up Abyss or Vesperia. They both have multiplayer support. (Of course, this means avoid Legendia like the plague. Not only is it generally worse than Abyss/Ves in every way, but no multiplayer!)

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Re: Playin' any games today, Flying Nun? (WGAYP - 2011 Edition)
« Reply #952 on: March 31, 2011, 11:34:09 PM »
The Japanese version of FF4 has English language options, so you could import it or something.  Or just wait a couple of months.

Also you don't remember stuff about games you have only played once?  Not even with the visual cues?  That has to be awesome.

Radiant Historia - Okay so that sequence where you look for document proof that you were stabbed in the back at the start of chapter 2 Alternate History, that was pretty cool.
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Re: Playin' any games today, Flying Nun? (WGAYP - 2011 Edition)
« Reply #953 on: March 31, 2011, 11:34:24 PM »
Scar: PSP japanese version  automatically plays in english when you load it into the PSP. It's pretty awesome.
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Re: Playin' any games today, Flying Nun? (WGAYP - 2011 Edition)
« Reply #954 on: April 01, 2011, 12:11:45 AM »
The main problem with multiplayer Tales is that someone is not playing for 80% of the time, (and that both need to like the storyline, I guess)

I'd say that the best RPG to play with a girlfriend is really Pokemon, both players going through the game at the same time. But you need to get two copies of the game. And she WILL hate you, however, if you beat a boss at the same time you die against him.
A close second runner would be Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance. Really fun and well made co-op action/RPG grindfest. It's even available on every gaming console of the last generation (Gamecube, PS2 and Xbox)
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Re: Playin' any games today, Flying Nun? (WGAYP - 2011 Edition)
« Reply #955 on: April 01, 2011, 12:22:08 AM »
I think FFT is pretty romantic myself.
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Re: Playin' any games today, Flying Nun? (WGAYP - 2011 Edition)
« Reply #956 on: April 01, 2011, 12:52:06 AM »
Tales co-op battles are REALLY fun, though. And really, you should be playing Tales for the battle system anyway. (And maybe the skits.)

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Re: Playin' any games today, Flying Nun? (WGAYP - 2011 Edition)
« Reply #957 on: April 01, 2011, 01:34:59 AM »
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Man... of all the Tales games, you choose like the worst one that isn't Eternia?

I fail to see what makes Symphonia or Eternia worse than Destiny.  And frankly, I find both better than the original Tales of Phantasia and the GBA version (reports claim the PSX version is MASSIVELY BETTER, but I'm frankly skeptical about that for a number of reasons; I'm not saying it ISN'T better, but the amount people hype it...dunno...)

That said...

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Re: Playin' any games today, Flying Nun? (WGAYP - 2011 Edition)
« Reply #958 on: April 01, 2011, 01:54:29 AM »
To Gref. What I meant to say is that for all those SNES games I can pretty much recite the dialogue of almost every scene since I played them so many times. Some newer RPGs fall under this category too like the Suikoden series.

But most of the newer RPGs were one and done runs with me, so my memory is hazy at best trying to remember everything about the games. Like for ToS I can mostly remember every characters personalities for the most part. Stuff like how Presea is going to sound all stoic and emotionless and how Regal is a superb chef.  I also remember some of the more memorable skits like the one where Zelos comments about Sheena's ta-tas. I know who the final boss is and what not, but there's a few gaps I don't remember until I hit that point in the game. Like that whole granny-monster  scene...I was like "Oh YEAH!"

But FF4 comes out in like 20 days to the states, so I will just wait to buy it. I am super broke right now. The new sprites look awesome though!

And I liked most of the Tales series. I very much enjoyed ToD, must have been the talking swords! (Oh yeah...and Leon >_>;;) Abyss is my favorite and I have yet to play Vesperia, but if she enjoys this title enough I will buy that too since she owns a 360.
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Re: Playin' any games today, Flying Nun? (WGAYP - 2011 Edition)
« Reply #959 on: April 01, 2011, 02:54:55 AM »
Demon's Souls: I wasn't paying attention to my deaths or playing in general too much today.

Death 5: Red-eyes fighting is now 3-2 in my favor.
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Re: Playin' any games today, Flying Nun? (WGAYP - 2011 Edition)
« Reply #960 on: April 01, 2011, 03:02:08 AM »
I thought Tempest was the consensus worst thing ever for Tales purposes.
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Re: Playin' any games today, Flying Nun? (WGAYP - 2011 Edition)
« Reply #961 on: April 01, 2011, 03:32:54 AM »
It was so bad they disowned it from the series, so yeah.  Most likely.
I prefer Phantasia to Eternia myself, but it's a small gap and I do think Symphonia is better than both.  They're all notably worse than every subsequent game with an english release, though.  (Haven't played Destiny.  Anyone have a copy they want to sell me~?)
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Re: Playin' any games today, Flying Nun? (WGAYP - 2011 Edition)
« Reply #962 on: April 01, 2011, 03:34:33 AM »
Nothing says "I love you, significant other" like playing Hoshigami together.

As for what I'm playing:
Plants vs. Zombies -  Started to clear out the old Live Arcade backlog by choosing a game at random, and this won. Beat it, now playing minigames and fiddling around with the Zen Garden. The game is fun. Unfortunately, thanks to sales, since I started this I've added eight more games to the backlog. Curse you, total lack of restraint!

Star Wars Battlefront: Renegade Squadron - Just got off Hoth. This game has a very bad habit of shutting down my PSP - it's done it four times in two separate cutscenes. Thank goodness they're skippable.

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Re: Playin' any games today, Flying Nun? (WGAYP - 2011 Edition)
« Reply #963 on: April 01, 2011, 03:51:47 AM »
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Re: Playin' any games today, Flying Nun? (WGAYP - 2011 Edition)
« Reply #964 on: April 01, 2011, 05:46:23 AM »
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Re: Playin' any games today, Flying Nun? (WGAYP - 2011 Edition)
« Reply #965 on: April 01, 2011, 07:41:16 AM »
*shrug* Destiny and Phantasia have enough remakes that they've actually outshone Symphonia at this point on gameplay. And personally, I think Phantasia -still- holds up as one of the best Tales games for plot (though Vesperia certainly beats it). YMMV, but in general, Symphonia just seems like a sad place to start with Abyss and Vesperia available.

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« Reply #966 on: April 01, 2011, 08:10:01 AM »
Yeah Scar I mean simple things like dungeon layouts and whatnot.  I play through games once and on replays even after a long while still remember things like where all the nearby treasure is.  Not perfect memorisation of things.  Just going through and knowing how everything is going to play out generally.  Playing a game through again and being genuinely suprised by them has to be pretty fun.

To be fair something I didn't like at all then I would probably have that happen I suppose.  So the next time I play throgh Great Greed it is probably going to be like new, but most things, not so much.  I can think of things that I didn't really enjoy playing but have reasons to remember that it has happened with though.

Not being condescending, I do think it is pretty good to have that.  It means you probably don't obsess over stupid shit nearly as much as I do (which is a whooooooole lot).
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Re: Playin' any games today, Flying Nun? (WGAYP - 2011 Edition)
« Reply #967 on: April 01, 2011, 09:17:37 AM »
I think Phantasia -still- holds up as one of the best Tales games for plot (though Vesperia certainly beats it)

Top really doesn't have much plot though. ToP just offends less people because it spends too much of its content on fetch questing instead consatntly throwing out bad writing like ToD2.
Take out all the fetch questing, ToP really has very little righting and very little development. (which is also why ToP has so many side story novels and supplementary)

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Re: Playin' any games today, Flying Nun? (WGAYP - 2011 Edition)
« Reply #968 on: April 01, 2011, 09:43:36 AM »
Symphonia might be better overall than some of the preceding games (And that's a pretty big might), but man was it ever worse for when it actually came out. Even the battle system was...well, basically just worse than Reid.
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« Reply #969 on: April 01, 2011, 04:13:40 PM »
I think Phantasia -still- holds up as one of the best Tales games for plot (though Vesperia certainly beats it)

Top really doesn't have much plot though. ToP just offends less people because it spends too much of its content on fetch questing instead consatntly throwing out bad writing like ToD2.
Take out all the fetch questing, ToP really has very little righting and very little development. (which is also why ToP has so many side story novels and supplementary)

I...can't believe I'm saying this, but I pretty much fully agree with Niu on this.  ToP's plot is better than most Tales games merely cause its simplified to the point where all the screwed up nonsense Tales games toss at you doesn't apply there.

I will note though that what little is there isn't half bad.  Dhaos is, at very least, even with only the SNES version into account, and no supplemental material, an original villain concept for the time and still one rarely done in modern days; its rare that we get a villain who by the end, you're meant to sympathize with DESPITE him clearly being the enemy, and even the characters feel that way.  Usually the "Pity" villains are just "awww, they had it so hard, can't yo feel sorry for him? Its not his fault he went insane!"  No, in Dhaos' case, we have just a genuine mis-understanding brought on by the heroes own stupidity, and the game suggests it COULD have actually been resolved by talking it over, just no one bothered to try.
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Re: Playin' any games today, Flying Nun? (WGAYP - 2011 Edition)
« Reply #970 on: April 01, 2011, 07:33:31 PM »
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Re: Playin' any games today, Flying Nun? (WGAYP - 2011 Edition)
« Reply #971 on: April 02, 2011, 05:32:03 AM »
I rented Homefront last night just cause. I was expecting a sort of like Red Dawn tribute game, and I thought that would be fun to waste an evening on (kind of like watching Red Dawn).

Well, more than anything I was shocked by how primitive the game was. I mean, it's pretty, but that's about it.  You'd think a game based on street-to-street urban warfare would have like, destructible terrain and a physics engine worth a shit, right?  Nope.  Not only are explosives totally useless against stuff like above-ground swimming pools and chicken wire fences, but you can't even open doors on your own. Fucking doors!

Weapons are shit; there's like a whole mess guns but really, there's four: single-shot rifle, burst-fire rifle, SMG and SAW. The grenade throwing animation, though? It's so ridiculously funny that it was worth the two bucks just to see. You pull the pin and then sort of lob it overhand, but not so much with a throwing motion as a "pushing it forward at your enemy with an open hand through the air" motion.

The characters are of course awful, and not in a sort of tongue-in-cheek GTA way where they're parodies of someone or anything. There's just "angry dude who might be part Mexican but maybe not" and "black chick who gets weepy when someone dies." There was also an older black dude who said he was getting too old for this shit. He died first.

But yeah, what I was really shocked with was the disparity on the technical end of things. Stuff like lighting effects and shit? Those are amazingly well-done, top of the line shit. But the game world is less interactive than it was in Half-Life 2.

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Re: Playin' any games today, Flying Nun? (WGAYP - 2011 Edition)
« Reply #972 on: April 02, 2011, 05:52:48 AM »
I think Phantasia -still- holds up as one of the best Tales games for plot (though Vesperia certainly beats it)

Top really doesn't have much plot though. ToP just offends less people because it spends too much of its content on fetch questing instead consatntly throwing out bad writing like ToD2.
Take out all the fetch questing, ToP really has very little righting and very little development. (which is also why ToP has so many side story novels and supplementary)

I...can't believe I'm saying this, but I pretty much fully agree with Niu on this.  ToP's plot is better than most Tales games merely cause its simplified to the point where all the screwed up nonsense Tales games toss at you doesn't apply there.

I will note though that what little is there isn't half bad.  Dhaos is, at very least, even with only the SNES version into account, and no supplemental material, an original villain concept for the time and still one rarely done in modern days; its rare that we get a villain who by the end, you're meant to sympathize with DESPITE him clearly being the enemy, and even the characters feel that way.  Usually the "Pity" villains are just "awww, they had it so hard, can't yo feel sorry for him? Its not his fault he went insane!"  No, in Dhaos' case, we have just a genuine mis-understanding brought on by the heroes own stupidity, and the game suggests it COULD have actually been resolved by talking it over, just no one bothered to try.

It's a valid point, but honestly, I don't think it's contradicting anything I was saying? Just because ToP has a -simple- plot, it doesn't mean it has a -bad- plot. In contrast, ToS has a pretty clearly -stupid- plot, and trashy characters (for all that I love them anyway because I'm a masochist).

But really we should all just play ToV and pretend like the Tales series started there.

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« Reply #973 on: April 02, 2011, 07:47:59 AM »
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« Reply #974 on: April 02, 2011, 11:05:45 AM »
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It's a valid point, but honestly, I don't think it's contradicting anything I was saying? Just because ToP has a -simple- plot, it doesn't mean it has a -bad- plot. In contrast, ToS has a pretty clearly -stupid- plot, and trashy characters (for all that I love them anyway because I'm a masochist).

ToS' plot I will not defend worth anything; it sucks.  FF10 did pretty much the exact same plot and did it infinitely better, so we KNOW its a flaw of the game and not the core plot idea here (someone DID claim ToS' plot was doomed cause of its core ideas, just FF10's existence makes it really hard to sell that claim)...

but I honestly don't think the cast is THAT bad.  Ok, its got its share of failures, but then what game doesn't?  Even ToV and all its amazing glory has probably one of the worst Villain Casts in the entire series, for example.
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