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« Reply #600 on: December 05, 2011, 02:53:01 PM »
The Romney one is good also.  Sadly the Perry one makes more sense than he did in real life.  Ice cream.

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« Reply #601 on: December 05, 2011, 08:52:35 PM »
I swear that is the Day Job Orchestra guy (which explains why it is quality).
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« Reply #602 on: December 05, 2011, 11:23:33 PM »
http://www.maa.org/devlin/LockhartsLament.pdf

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Making fun of the horrendous way math is taught in schools.

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« Reply #603 on: December 06, 2011, 12:05:49 AM »
Maybe I was lucky in teachers, but outside of Pre-Algebra (i guess what he called "Middle School Math", this was what I call "Meeple falls asleep in back of the room and still gets As" part of math), I cannot relate to any of that at all.  My math experience was something completely different than what he said, and as such, the article is meaningless.

Also, reading the stuff before the conclusions made it hard to actually follow.  He does too much of the personal "I hate this!" stuff rather than actually getting to the point, and if its an attempt at being creative, its coming off as more just him trying way too damned hard and looking like a jerk.
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« Reply #604 on: December 06, 2011, 12:50:32 AM »
I will say for myself that I loved math, read math books in my spare time, and...did not really like most math classes.

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« Reply #605 on: December 06, 2011, 01:42:33 AM »
Three pages in and have to stop reading because I am at work, but so far this is beautiful and depressingly on the nose.  Much love for this link.
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« Reply #606 on: December 06, 2011, 01:49:28 AM »
I think the article goes a little overboard discussing Math purely as art rather than as language (he outright dismisses the idea and all).  Hell, it could be thought of this way; languages HAD to have been predated by singing.  While much language is conveyed through tone (the artistic), precise meaning still requires the use of words (symbols).  Math could be seen as having a similar evolution, beginning as purely artistic expression but acquiring synthesis with arbitrary notation to create clearer meaning.  And in this light, the overall point is still true; throwing young students into the rules, the endless parade of definitions and rote calculation, without appreciation for the intuitive, artistic applications is insane and has the predictable consequence of ensuring students never have any real appreciation for what they're actually doing.

Though I still think the actual problem in math education is establishing early on, without fail, that math is so hard and consequently something to fear.  Poetry is hard too, doesn't stop kids from making up rhymes and having a basic understanding of how to play with language.
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« Reply #607 on: December 06, 2011, 08:37:25 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=E8V8rtdXnLA#!

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« Reply #608 on: December 06, 2011, 10:46:54 AM »
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We’re killing people’s interest in circles for god’s sake!

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In short, by having an honest intellectual relationship with our students and our subject.
 

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Do we really want to suggest that a straightforward observation like this requires such an extensive preamble? Be honest: did you actually even read it? Of course not. Who would want to?

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They are then asked to mimic them in the exercises. Those that catch on to the pattern quickly are the “good” students.

Again laughing goes here.  Earlier in the piece I had been recalling how I learnt multiplication in fifth grade and my frustration at having to learn them by rote memorisation when all I wanted to do was understand why.  Out of pressure to continue to be "smart" I practiced and learnt them for like forever so I could be fast at it, but wasn't actually grasping it.  It wasn't until I got frustrated and stuck on 7 x 8 for the nth time that I "got" it and enjoyed myself.  Painful 2 weeks for a 10 year old Grefter.  Especially given how massively easy everything else was.  It wasn't the content that was frustrating, it was the requirement for speed.  Why exactly do I need to be able to do this super fast sight unseen when I could put it together myself instead of from memorising a table.

Don't even get me started on long division when I could replicate just as easilly using short division, just it made it harder for you to read.

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That was fantastic, I will pass it on to a couple of others.  My only regret is that I am not in touch with my senior math teacher from High School.  If I had been able to understand Math then like I do now (probably thanks in part due to exposure to Canadians) I would have been a much better student and one that might have actually passed the harder math course I took.  I remember times when he was frustrated with me, because he clearly knew I was capable of better but didn't apply myself.  Well yeah, when I don't get a concept I am not going to be able to replicate and frankly the concept of natural numbers bored me and after you lost me on that I wasn't that interested in imaginary numbers either (which was my loss at the time, so much brain porn gone to waste).  Throw a CONCEPT at me and I would play with it for a day and then be done and forget it.  A real shame.  He was a great guy.

So anyway, I think I will have to owe you some hugs for this metroid.  This made my night to have something like this to read and babble about.

Edit - For perspective on how much I enjoyed this, I didn't even go put a CD on while reading it or before sending it on to a couple of people (one in the hope that it would disperse further).
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« Reply #609 on: December 06, 2011, 01:36:59 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/06/sports/hockey/derek-boogaard-a-brain-going-bad.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&emc=na

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« Reply #610 on: December 06, 2011, 06:29:52 PM »
It wasn't until I got frustrated and stuck on 7 x 8 for the nth time that I "got" it and enjoyed myself.  Painful 2 weeks for a 10 year old Grefter. 

Pfft. Everyone knows that 7 x 8 = Low Battery

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« Reply #611 on: December 06, 2011, 10:32:46 PM »
Gary Bettman being spineless isn't a notable enough development to merit its own link, but the article was a good read anyway.


Now for the math article.

I will say straight off that the article pisses me off on several fronts. Not that it entirely lacks points, by any means, but there's just so much wrong with it and a good deal that makes me personally annoyed.

I will start out by saying that I'm just glad nobody tried to teach math to me as a pure art because I'd have been turned off it pretty badly. I really only gained a love for the "art" side it has after understanding the rational rules. The author wants math classes to be art classes, which... well, there's a reason the only people who take art classes are the small minority of the population who are really into it. And if you're fine with doing that for math too, okay, sure whatever. There's a heck of a lot of fields that require more mathematical knowledge than that, though, and it's a dramatically harder thing to pick up at an older age (because, y'know, it is a language), so I think there's something to be said for teaching it to a larger pool of people at least for a certain length of time. (I'm pretty open to debate on how long that time should be, granted.)

The article pops off on the usual (valid) criticism of learning math, that most people will just never use this stuff (which is true, past elementary school roughly). Of course, a minority of people do, and for the rest, math education is just largely a code for "learning how to solve problems", which by the way, does not just mean coming up with your own proofs, but much more simple "take the rules you have learned and apply them", which is pretty darn valuable and you use it all the time unconsciously whether you realise it or not.

Extra venom is needed when this guy pretty much says that the only people teaching math should be people who have "proved something themselves" which I am assuming translates as "got themselves published doing mathematical research" because we totally needed more emphasis on research over teaching at the post-secondary level. I thought university was crappy enough, thanks. (And before someone says that the author meant "sat down and proved something for themselves"... no he didn't, because everyone I know who loves math and wants to teach it has done so, my class of math educators pretty much all had plenty of stories to share in that regard.)

So yeah, the article generally strikes a sour note, always lovely to be told that I am a cog of some evil machine I don't understand, that is totally why I spend time each week reading over the discussions of teaching methods and delightful tricks to teach and prove things to students and elicit that "aha!" moment (by the way, the article had a couple of these, always good to see).

The main place I see to agree is that it would be seriously awesome if I could devote more classes to just having students prove random things in group discussions, that is always great fun. There are many problems with it, though, which prevent me from doing it too often:
1. It's basically impossible to assess, and sadly, you lose lots of students of the age range I teach if they figure out it's not for marks. (Of course, the merits of our marks-driven education system are something that I can see being highly debated, but that's a bigger problem than this article seeks to address.)
2. The activity is somewhat hostage to the fact that most things you have students prove, some will have already seen proofs for, remember, and regurgitate (which is fine, to a point, but it does lose the creative process if that is the goal. Also makes the amount of time the activity takes seriously vary.)
3. While fun, it is inherently a slower way to cover and master material than "normal" teaching methods. When teaching a class there is a lot of material I am obligated to cover (both to the students themselves, and the state which set the curriculum) so time is always a concern.
4. In my experience, students who aren't at least moderately into the subject don't get into such activities at all and it becomes a waste for them; at best they follow what the "brighter" students are doing but often not even that. I kinda think such activities are wonderful for a motivated class (such as an enriched class obviously) and likely would work well in the lower grades (where more students tend to be more motivated to learn for learning's sake) but that's not really my area of expertise.

But in general the article seems pretty divorced for such real-life concerns, while also pushing its singular view of mathematics on the rest of us and generally presuming to understand the teaching of mathematics far better than anyone who actually does it.

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« Reply #612 on: December 07, 2011, 12:13:27 AM »
3. While fun, it is inherently a slower way to cover and master material than "normal" teaching methods. When teaching a class there is a lot of material I am obligated to cover (both to the students themselves, and the state which set the curriculum) so time is always a concern.

Well...yes and no.

Just based on what I know of human psychology, if a student is having fun doing math, they are almost by definition learning more than if they are not having fun (given how closely the psychological state of play is connected to primate learning).  Of course, "learning" does not necessarily mean "covering curriculum".

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1. It's basically impossible to assess, and sadly, you lose lots of students of the age range I teach if they figure out it's not for marks. (Of course, the merits of our marks-driven education system are something that I can see being highly debated, but that's a bigger problem than this article seeks to address.)

Well...right.  Extrinsic motivators (like marks) reduce intrinsic motivation.  Students who have 10+ years of being driven by extrinsic motivators will have very little intrinsic motivation to go forth and pursue something when an extrinsic motivator isn't present.

It's the whole "if you want students to read books and not eat pizza, you should give them books as a reward for eating pizza."

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4. In my experience, students who aren't at least moderately into the subject don't get into such activities at all and it becomes a waste for them; at best they follow what the "brighter" students are doing but often not even that. I kinda think such activities are wonderful for a motivated class (such as an enriched class obviously) and likely would work well in the lower grades (where more students tend to be more motivated to learn for learning's sake) but that's not really my area of expertise.

Yeah, the entire article does seem more at home in lower grades.

Much the same way: I wrote a book when I was in grade 3.  A god-damned illustrated physical book.  I don't remember anything about it, other than it was awesome.  By comparison, I don't think I had a single creative writing project in Grade 12 English.  I remember a lot of 5-point essays doing literary analysis on the very specific books we were assigned to read.  But freeform "go have fun kids"?  No, grade 12 was serious business.

I'd expect grade 3 art classes and grade 12 art classes to have a similar contrast.  Grade 3 being "ok kids, here's some paper, draw a picture".  Whereas Grade 12 you'd be expected to be able to do perspective drawing and stuff like that.

The way the education system is currently set up, early grades are designed to get kids interested and motivated in the subject.  And then high school is the "ok, here's the core of the subject, let's make sure you're not missing any gaps".  Like...physics, for instance.  I don't think I saw F=ma until grade 12.  I don't know that that's a problem per-se; I ended up really liking physics and taking a ton of university courses in it.

Back to math, I don't really take issue with grade 12 math (I actually kind-of liked it).  But like...grade 2 math is horrendously soul-less.  Let's have 7-year-olds do worksheets with a hundred addition problems on them!

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« Reply #613 on: December 07, 2011, 02:00:50 AM »
I don't know too much about teaching kids proofs or anything like that, but my main problem with the way I was taught math as a kid was that it was rote memorization.  I feel like if someone had shown me that "OK, so multiplying things by 7 from memory is a little bit hard, but you know what's easy?  Multiplying things by 2, multiplying things by 5, and addition. (5+2)8=40+16=56 motherfucker" as a young kid not only would my mind have been blown (hell, when I learned that mental math trick in my 20s I was pretty dang impressed, even though I was taught the distributive property in middle school) I probably would have hated math less as a kid. I haven't read the article, but it does sound like you're trying to find those types of tricks from what you said, so you're probably not a bad math teacher, NEB.

Just, you know.  A terrible human being.

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« Reply #614 on: December 07, 2011, 02:16:13 AM »
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« Reply #615 on: December 07, 2011, 02:51:56 AM »
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« Reply #616 on: December 07, 2011, 03:13:06 AM »
Without having read the whole article, I'm slightly weirded out to say that I generally mirror NEB's opinion.

Also, that we English majors already get enough crap. About the only thing left is that we get an art tag associated with our major. Story trying to take that away from us. =(

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« Reply #617 on: December 07, 2011, 07:27:10 AM »
Let me just note, that if you are writing a Manifesto (which this is), you don't go half hearted.  The reality of the situation is I think something that can be relatively easilly met half way logistically, culturally not so much.  That is why it is written with such radical motions, because it is proposing a cultural upheavel and given human tendency to normalise all things then overshooting the target for such things is the most effective to get your desired goal.

You keep the lower grade stuff relatively engaging and you know, teach HOW to do math rather than rote memorisation.  Get to middle school and get down to fundamentals, teach kids the stuff that the HAVE to know to at that point, consolidation etc.  Then you can bloom out again.

The fact that the equivalent of what in this context would be AP Math is just continuations of boring rote learning is pretty fucking bullshit just like they describe.  That middle school time will not only be formative, but will help kids that learned to enjoy the mechanics of the mathematics process develop while they apply the rules taught earlier through play while everyone else does it by rote.  This doesn't even need to be two seperate mathematics streams if you have the built in love of math from an early age (although it would be much much better).  From there, most of the extra stuff is gravy, you can keep the maths fundamentals classes you need.  I mean what one of us doesn't have stories of some Veggie Maths or equivalent delightful high school nerd derisive term for the people that needed remedial math classes.

On that, we already have the basic curriculum in school systems to DO that baseline math.  The real issue that they take is the higher level stuff that is ostensibly for the people that are there to do the harder interesting stuff, which is structured in the most dull boring and impenetrable way possible.

I can vouch for the softer sciences really not requiring that much actual indepth math.  Everything I used for my Psychology degree that going in with a prior understanding of being helpful (not mandatory, just helpful) was an existing of probability picked up around grade 8 or 9, which was just built up knowledge of what is ultimately functional applications of division and multiplication.  Everything else was built up on those base principles (that I had already consolidated in high school math).

Also the concept of needing to keep the current math model to teach critical thinking, honestly?  I think that is a bit of a short sighted argument.  Math is far from the only place that a practical application of rules, norms and standard practices can be applied.  You should be getting the same kinds of lessons during Science and in a good English course that actually contains some of that Criticism that they talk about wanting to get into the math classroom.  It isn't something that is taught only through math, but is primarilly so in the current model entirely by the design of the model (which as noted is dating back to the old Monastic/Prison or Quaker teaching methods (depending on how far back you want to reach).  We don't have to stick with the exact same paradigm just because it is the way it has always been.

On that note, if nothing else one thing I think that would be great to take away from the article is that the hyperfocus on form and structure of math is definitely something that goes a long way to the negative response to math.  If you get rid of such a strict requirement in how the language is utilised then you might see a more positive response to general math class (Order of Operations is important, but variations on how it can be written to get the same point don't necessarilly need to be strictly adhered to).  I think a huge thing here is how strict the formatting of showing your working has to be.  Yes I know how massively important this is for marking and the like, but the fact of the matter is for plenty of students that there is steps that they can do in their head.  If you miss that bit of working in your flow it will cost you marks, maybe invalidate your entire answer, but if you take the time to write it down it can ruin your flow.  In our ever pressing need to demonstrate our understanding of the math we are ignoring the trees for the forest.  The answer is nearly meaningless.  The method is what is getting all the attention and even then it is only on the precision of the form.

Yeah plenty of it does function for lower grades (likely where I expect the writer works?), but I really don't think it should be dismissed entirely for the higher grades.

Now I am rambling and think I need to stop.
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« Reply #622 on: December 09, 2011, 04:42:37 PM »
I believe I've already noted that if you don't watch Batman: The Brave and the Bold you're probably stupid, but they did an episode adapted MAD Magazine's classic Batboy and Rubin comic. I mean, just......damn. 
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« Reply #624 on: December 14, 2011, 03:16:12 AM »
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