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Re: Miscellaneous Links for the Miscellaneously Inclined: 2011 Edition!!!
« Reply #650 on: December 27, 2011, 07:27:06 PM »
Usual disclaimer about DLC applies: if you don't want it, don't buy it. If only paying what you consider "acceptable game price" does not yield an acceptable game, then torch the game all you want. Otherwise, what-the-fuck-ever.

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« Reply #651 on: December 28, 2011, 12:51:47 PM »
Usual disclaimer about DLC applies: if you don't want it, don't buy it. If only paying what you consider "acceptable game price" does not yield an acceptable game, then torch the game all you want. Otherwise, what-the-fuck-ever.

Except microtransactions are provably less psychologically satisfying due to "the flat rate bias":

http://www.psychologyofgames.com/2010/06/apb-all-points-bulletin-or-aggregated-payment-bias-both/

And even if you don't ever buy any DLC, it's going to gnaw at completionists.  Especially since games that are good at microtransaction baiting will remind people of the special shinys they're missing.


...Which is to say, in most cases the existence of DLC--regardless of whether or not you buy it--makes for a worse psychological experience.

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« Reply #652 on: December 28, 2011, 05:00:01 PM »
I read all of this and all that comes to mind is "this is why not being robots sucks".
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« Reply #653 on: December 28, 2011, 05:05:23 PM »
That's why I just dump a bunch of money into Xbox points at once. That way spending the points over time feels less connected to spending actual money, which in turn makes the cost gnaw less (and sometimes not at all, if I get the content/points/both on sale). Psychological trickery against myself, yes, but hey, I get to enjoy my Batman costumes and LA Noire cases, and the dollars-and-cents cost is generally acceptable in and of itself.
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« Reply #654 on: December 28, 2011, 06:53:23 PM »
I make sure to delete my account info every time I order points.  If I have to go get my wallet and type in all my credit card info, I'm much less likely to spend the money compared to just clicking a BUY! button and having it done instantly.

Of course Micro$oft makes it difficult for you to do this, because you have to get on PC to delete your credit card - can't do it from Xbox dashboard.

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« Reply #655 on: December 28, 2011, 07:29:17 PM »
Oh, that's the other trick I use on myself. No buying points directly, just through cards.
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« Reply #656 on: December 28, 2011, 07:43:39 PM »
Yeah. I stopped buying points directly after the PSN incident. Less convenient, but safer.

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« Reply #657 on: December 28, 2011, 09:30:11 PM »
Apparently I am a robot, but we already knew this.

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Except microtransactions are provably less psychologically satisfying due to "the flat rate bias":

http://www.psychologyofgames.com/2010/06/apb-all-points-bulletin-or-aggregated-payment-bias-both/

And even if you don't ever buy any DLC, it's going to gnaw at completionists.  Especially since games that are good at microtransaction baiting will remind people of the special shinys they're missing.

You forget, I have a mean sense of humour when it comes to the irrational and see mocking completionists as a good thing. (This is probably why I shouldn't actually market anything.) So yeah, if DLers whine about this sort of thing I will snark about it, even if they're part of a majority that may make this a bad marketing strategy. Then again I have more faith in the companies themselves to decide what's a good marketing strategy (since all things being equal, it's their money and jobs on the line) than angry internet commentators, and a lot of companies seem to be implementing DLC, so I question that it's in fact a bad marketing strategy.

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« Reply #658 on: December 28, 2011, 10:01:01 PM »
Bad economics and bad design being two completely different things and DLC commonly being a shoehorned in thing, not an actual additional feature to the game (unlocking items already on the disc compared to unlocking a new game mode or new mission) kind of puts the functionalist approach to game design in a bad position.  Too much external pressure involved in the system. 

But sure, they are good at marketting it, doesn't mean it is in the best interest of the game or the end user >_>

But anyway, this is all one more benefit to being absolutely terrible with money and not giving a fuck about it.  I click the buy button and get things.  Done.

Deleting CC info to have to rekey it is lololol.  I have my CC details memorised from habit, so it isn't exactly a big barrier for entry.

That said, there is kinds of DLC that are good for games.  Oddly in spite of being the poster child for terrible DLC (HORSE ARMOR!!!111), Bethesda properties are getting pretty decent DLC these days.  Fallout 3 started to go in the right direction, giving new standalone missions that increased level cap and expanded on the things people enjoyed in the game (power gaming shit like weapons etc).  They were even doing it pretty well in Oblivion at least with giving people what they wanted (more fancy housing...  I mean it isn't for the DL, but for the target audience?  shit was off the chain).  Fallout NV DLC takes it a step further with level cap increases, new stuff and expanding of the setting and exploring subplots hinted at during the main game.

It ain't all bad.

Hell sometimes that kind of shitty DLC that gives you kind of trashy items for a slightly easier experience?  If you price them low enough and they are clearly a minor opt in thing, set the price tag low enough and it is fine.

Also for what it is worth APB went belly up real fucking fast and is Free to Play now on a far more standard model.
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« Reply #659 on: December 29, 2011, 03:08:31 AM »
But anyway, this is all one more benefit to being absolutely terrible with money and not giving a fuck about it.  I click the buy button and get things.  Done.

I've said this before, but for a communist you sure are an excellent capitalist consumer.

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« Reply #660 on: December 29, 2011, 06:44:09 AM »
As I have also said before.  I may be a communist, but I am still a Nihilist.
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« Reply #661 on: December 29, 2011, 06:47:16 AM »
Must be exhausting.

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Re: Miscellaneous Links for the Miscellaneously Inclined: 2011 Edition!!!
« Reply #662 on: December 30, 2011, 04:01:40 PM »
I haven't seen anything I've found objectionable with DLC as a consumer. It's a way for companies to make profits when they can only charge so much for the actual game.

It makes sense when you think about it; the price of games has barely gone up since the NES days. If say EA was charging me an extra five dollars to play the Packers in the game it would be unacceptable; but charging for silly side games? Whatever.

Now, The EA orgins agreement? *That* can burn in eternal hellfire.
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« Reply #663 on: December 30, 2011, 05:14:25 PM »
Games cost more to make now, but the market is much, much bigger.  So I'm not sure we can read much into the price of games then as now.
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« Reply #664 on: December 31, 2011, 12:04:56 AM »
http://io9.com/5872016/marvel-lawyers-fighting-to-prove-that-mutants-arent-human

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« Reply #665 on: December 31, 2011, 01:37:04 AM »
Fail, Marvel.

That said, what the hell is the logic of taxing different types of toys at different rates depending on whether they appear human?

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« Reply #666 on: December 31, 2011, 03:33:51 AM »
Tax law. Logic. Pick none.
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