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Nyarlathotep's Dungeon: Week 36 (WHAAAAAAT are you saying)
« on: January 18, 2011, 10:41:05 PM »


"My, it's been some time, hasn't it? Time to dust off the Mandala..."

Tranquil Vs. Floor 7
Snow vs. Floor 6
Dhyer vs. Floor 1


Team Tranquil

Floor 8b: Do you have the resources?

"To have come so far is commendable! Unfortunately, you have stepped so far into my domain... I wonder if your resources can continue to hold out against this onslaught. Perhaps I will be considerate and offer you all a reprieve later... perhaps not. We shall just have to see, won't we!?"




Team Jo'ou's Matches

Floor 7b: Cave of the Summons

"Hahahahaha! Welcome to my own floor of summoned pets, my friends. Perhaps you shall find something you can face here... There are many beings from across dimensions in this very cave you will all encounter. I wonder if you can all defeat them? We shall see... We shall see indeed."




Team Dhyer's Matches

Floor 2b: The Forboding Forest

"Hah! Welcome, fools, to this forest of mystery. It is here that you will all find certain doom. You will have to face those who have been lost themselves inside its formiddable brush, the natural denziens of this lush land... as well as a terrifying final encounter that will chill you to the very bone! So enter, if you dare, into this land of madness..."


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Team Tranquil | Dart, Albert, Meru, Sharanda, Rose (Synergy Bonus)
[Floor 8b: Do you have the Resources?]
Team vs. Kyra, Artea, FFT Chemist, Yukiko and Rosa
Team vs. Yuna, Nina4, Marle, Teddie and Raja
*Full Heal
Team vs. Fou-lu, Lambda and Gades (L1)
Team vs. Jade, Luca Blight and Empyrea
Team vs. Profound Darkness and Xorn

Team Jo'ou | Deis1, Geno, Ryu3, Raja (Speed?), FFT Priest
[Bunyan 1, D'lonzo 1, Mygas 1, Deis 1, Ladon 2] (these are a list of the floors Ryu has been in these masters. In BoF3 terms, assume around 5-8 levels)
[Floor 7b: Cave of the Summons]
Team vs. Rydia, FF5 Ifrit, FF5 Titan, FF5 Shiva, FF5 Ramuh and Mist Dragon
Team vs. FF5 Atomos
Team vs. Gilgamesh, Garnet and FF5 Carbuncle
*Full Heal
Team vs. Yunalesca
Team vs. Yuna's Aeon Chain (Yuna's aeons are fought one at a time as one continuous battle. When one is defeated the next one is summoned. Buffs and status
carry over from one fight to the next. Order is predetermined as Valefor-Ifrit-Ixion-Shiva-Bahamut-Yojimbo-Anima-Magus 3 and then Aeonless Yuna)

Team Dhyer | Ness, Cielo, Nina1, Raja, Seifer (Status Symbol)
[Floor 2b: The Forboding Forest]
Team vs. FFT Red Chocobo, Black Chocobo and Yellow Chocobo
Team vs. Razzly, Turnip, Funguy and Neo-Fio
Team vs. Erk and Serra
Team vs. Spar, Frog and Bo
Team vs. Rude, Reno and Lete River Ultros



Speed? - The effective speed of one character is reversed (60% becomes 140%), but after the first round of combat, their speed returns to default and can not be increased in any way.

Status Symbol Law - Team is fully status, debuff and ID immune, but has damage done to them increased by 1.1x and damage done by them decreased to .9x.

Synergy Bonus - In the case of the Legend of Dragoon Team, they have access to items and accessories. The items are limited, however.


I'm trying something more simple with regards to the larger floor plans. I don't think anyone will miss needing to read all that text. (Unless you do, then you should also tell me.)

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Re: Nyarlathotep's Dungeon: Week 36 (WHAAAAAAT are you saying)
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2011, 01:05:17 AM »
Team Tranquil | Dart, Albert, Meru, Sharanda, Rose (Synergy Bonus)
[Floor 8b: Do you have the Resources?]
Team vs. Kyra, Artea, FFT Chemist, Yukiko and Rosa
Team vs. Yuna, Nina4, Marle, Teddie and Raja - Kneejerk that a combination of ID, Psyche Bomb X, and Dragoon Transformations gets the team through the PC floors.
*Full Heal
Team vs. Fou-lu, Lambda and Gades (L1) - But by this point, few of them have any transformation power left, and once Meru and Sharanda are picked off, there's no revival.
Team vs. Jade, Luca Blight and Empyrea - And these guys have the damage to take out Dart and Albert through the shield, so... this is probably where this team falls.
Team vs. Profound Darkness and Xorn - Reasonably sure that if they somehow made it through the previous round, Xorn handles them.

Team Jo'ou | Deis1, Geno, Ryu3, Raja (Speed?), FFT Priest
[Bunyan 1, D'lonzo 1, Mygas 1, Deis 1, Ladon 2] (these are a list of the floors Ryu has been in these masters. In BoF3 terms, assume around 5-8 levels)
[Floor 7b: Cave of the Summons]
Team vs. Rydia, FF5 Ifrit, FF5 Titan, FF5 Shiva, FF5 Ramuh and Mist Dragon - These guys were pretty meh.
Team vs. FF5 Atomos - Don't remember FF5 Atomos, but let's assume the team makes it.
Team vs. Gilgamesh, Garnet and FF5 Carbuncle - Hmm... honestly Reflect might suck for this team. Hmm. Deis probably isn't OHKOing Garnet's MDEF, so if Garnet and Gilgy team up on Ryu3, the team has no physical damage and Reflect spoils. But Snow's team might have enough revival to make it work anyway? Leaning towards Snow's team having deeper resources than Garnet.
*Full Heal
Team vs. Yunalesca - MP busts somebody before getting offed. Probably Raja, because otherwise Raja would just fix up whoever got MP busted.
Team vs. Yuna's Aeon Chain - No Raja healing! Clearly Snow is doomed! Geno Boost + Deis and Ryu damage should work against a stream of single opponents. It doesn't even wear off, so Geno has more than enough resources for it and can join in on the beating once he's done buffing teammates.

Team Dhyer | Ness, Cielo, Nina1, Raja, Seifer (Status Symbol)
[Floor 2b: The Forboding Forest]
Team vs. FFT Red Chocobo, Black Chocobo and Yellow Chocobo
Team vs. Razzly, Turnip, Funguy and Neo-Fio
Team vs. Erk and Serra
Team vs. Spar, Frog and Bo - Kneejerk that Seifer owns all the threatening things before they move while Nina and Raja play support and Ness does cleanup duty. Go go Seifer Jeigan.
Team vs. Rude, Reno and Lete River Ultros - Double-tentacle probably takes out Seifer and the team has trouble keeping up... But I think if the team ganged up on Ultros, Ness could solo Reno and Rude? Eh... tentative pass.

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Re: Nyarlathotep's Dungeon: Week 36 (WHAAAAAAT are you saying)
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2011, 01:30:33 AM »
Jo'ou falls, I don't think his team has the durability to take the high powered magical offense in some of the earlier fights. Dhyer falls as well. Raja gets taken out immediately and the healing isn't enough with Status symbol weighing them down.

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Re: Nyarlathotep's Dungeon: Week 36 (WHAAAAAAT are you saying)
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2011, 01:36:36 AM »
Atomos is entirely ST. He's not really threatening my three-reviver party and Deis is -fine- at magical durability, not to mention she's also countering Atomos' magic if he hits her. Bad idea there - not to mention it's probably not a bad idea having -someone- dead there due to that changing the entire way Atomos fights. Rydia+FF5 summons are getting MT 2HKOed by Genos+Deis stat to boot (hooray NE damage+FF5 boss durability), so the magic offense there isn't meaning much in the early fights.

Also, for Djinn: Garnet isn't very fond of perfect ID faster than her (Geno) and Priest Holy also ignores Reflect. Geno also can Geno Boost himself for the sake of getting stronger physicals, since his physical is almost as good as his magic to begin with.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2011, 01:43:44 AM by Jo'ou Ranbu »
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Re: Nyarlathotep's Dungeon: Week 36 (WHAAAAAAT are you saying)
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2011, 01:43:07 AM »
Team Tranquil | Dart, Albert, Meru, Sharanda, Rose (Synergy Bonus)
[Floor 8b: Do you have the Resources?]
Team vs. Kyra, Artea, FFT Chemist, Yukiko and Rosa
Team vs. Yuna, Nina4, Marle, Teddie and Raja
*Full Heal
Team vs. Fou-lu, Lambda and Gades (L1)
Team vs. Jade, Luca Blight and Empyrea
Team vs. Profound Darkness and Xorn - need to look at this later

Team Jo'ou | Deis1, Geno, Ryu3, Raja (Speed?), FFT Priest
[Bunyan 1, D'lonzo 1, Mygas 1, Deis 1, Ladon 2] (these are a list of the floors Ryu has been in these masters. In BoF3 terms, assume around 5-8 levels)
[Floor 7b: Cave of the Summons]
Team vs. Rydia, FF5 Ifrit, FF5 Titan, FF5 Shiva, FF5 Ramuh and Mist Dragon - Oh no they might kill people if they get turns.  Except they're neither particularly fast or durable.
Team vs. FF5 Atomos - Yeah no.
Team vs. Gilgamesh, Garnet and FF5 Carbuncle - Garnet can't do anything about Geno Whirl ever.  Remainder of the fight is otherwise workable.
*Full Heal
Team vs. Yunalesca
Team vs. Yuna's Aeon Chain (Yuna's aeons are fought one at a time as one continuous battle. When one is defeated the next one is summoned. Buffs and status carry over from one fight to the next. Order is predetermined as Valefor-Ifrit-Ixion-Shiva-Bahamut-Yojimbo-Anima-Magus 3 and then Aeonless Yuna) - I'll buy a win in the end here.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2011, 01:44:46 AM by Random Consonant »

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Re: Nyarlathotep's Dungeon: Week 36 (WHAAAAAAT are you saying)
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2011, 03:31:34 AM »
Team vs. Rude, Reno and Lete River Ultros - Double-tentacle probably takes out Seifer and the team has trouble keeping up... But I think if the team ganged up on Ultros, Ness could solo Reno and Rude? Eh... tentative pass.

Full break down later, but it's worth noting that given the extreem might of Rude and Reno and the fact that Ultros needs to waste his double on Seifer for the kill, they leave the gaping wide opening for Raja. Nina buffs Raja's defense (And Fort doesn't actually blow chunks early!) so that the likely variant of Rude and Reno (whatever form they happen to be in. Midgar is what I'd assume. Damage is the best, but Rude is average, meaning that his turn may be after either Ness or Cielo, meaning that even if Rude and Reno can take out Raja, either Cielo or Ness will heal him out of it and ruin it) can't off Raja. Now Ultros can waste part of his damage on Raja and Seifer will live...and will horribly maim things via MT limit or Raja can live, revive Seifer, have Nina heal him, and mostly be back at the beginning minus that Ness or Cielo would have likely thrown out an MT damage spell. Lots of speed stuff you can play with (In addition to assuming that Ultros is going to always double and focus an ST attack).
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Re: Nyarlathotep's Dungeon: Week 36 (WHAAAAAAT are you saying)
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2011, 10:30:39 AM »
To Djinn: Yunalesca's MP-busting is only phase 3 and Raja's MP healing doesn't use MP either. >_>
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Re: Nyarlathotep's Dungeon: Week 36 (WHAAAAAAT are you saying)
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2011, 11:16:27 AM »
Team Tranquil | Dart, Albert, Meru, Sharanda, Rose (Synergy Bonus)
[Floor 8b: Do you have the Resources?]
Team vs. Kyra, Artea, FFT Chemist, Yukiko and Rosa - My kneejerk: Yukiko getting spoiled by Water/Ice sucks for the entire enemy party here.
Team vs. Yuna, Nina4, Marle, Teddie and Raja - See above, only replace Ice with Lightning. >_>
*Full Heal
Team vs. Fou-lu, Lambda and Gades (L1) - Um this is where the inherent limitations of the Dragoon system and LoD resources really really suck. Fou-lu's MT HP-1 is really bad news and CT's party has to go through hoops to even -use- MT healing (do items cover that in LoD? I want to say those are rare in-game and there's always the inventory limitation to deal with) and they also suck ass at damaging Fou-lu. Even it they make it through here, Jade/Empyrea are going to be complete bad news with Jade+Empyrea OHKOing anyone they want while Luca picks off the leftovers at leisure and they can have a fun trying to handle PD+Xorn of the MT death and horrendous durability and MT sleep+OHGOD IS THAT MT 2HKO AGAINST HALF THE PARTY RUNNING OFF 2.4x AVERAGE SPEED.

Team Jo'ou | Deis1, Geno, Ryu3, Raja (Speed?), FFT Priest
[Bunyan 1, D'lonzo 1, Mygas 1, Deis 1, Ladon 2] (these are a list of the floors Ryu has been in these masters. In BoF3 terms, assume around 5-8 levels)
[Floor 7b: Cave of the Summons]
Team vs. Rydia, FF5 Ifrit, FF5 Titan, FF5 Shiva, FF5 Ramuh and Mist Dragon - Offense! Offense! Offense! Geno+Deis MT 2HKO everything but Mist Dragon here and Mist is incapable of capitalizing on Titan's death counter.
Team vs. FF5 Atomos - Atomos is pretty manipulable, especially against this many revivers.
Team vs. Gilgamesh, Garnet and FF5 Carbuncle - FFT/BoF3/SMRPG statusblockers to the rescue! Dealing with Carbuncle sucks because he's an ass, but Celerity+Geno Boost on Ryu3 = owowowowowow death and destruction aura smash (I -knew- I picked Ladon and Deis for a reason). Gilgamesh is also a dick, but getting his biggest statuses blocked and suffering from lack of crowd control keeps him fairly manageable. Garnet is effectively a non-factor due to the multitude of ways the team can off her before she gets a turn. Carbuncle I just count my blessings over being a goddamned limit boss.
*Full Heal
Team vs. Yunalesca - This fight is also an ass, because 'lesca is a monstrosity against PCs. The choice here would be Geno Boosting Deis for a bare OHKO on form 1 - or a 2HKO followed by Esuna on Deis (my party wants as few statuswhoran counters as possible), then it's a blitzblitzblitz fight to outrace 'lesca, since healing Zombie is out of the question if they want to pass through Megadeath. Fortunately, I think they can manage, and 'lesca probably won't even get a turn to Osmose anyone. Geno Boost is probably not lasting to the end due to dispel, but 'lesca's individual forms are kinda frail. EDIT: I'll also note FFT Esuna does -not- heal Zombie, so Esuna on Deis won't screw her up if she gets silence-healed.
Team vs. Yuna's Aeon Chain (Yuna's aeons are fought one at a time as one continuous battle. When one is defeated the next one is summoned. Buffs and status
carry over from one fight to the next. Order is predetermined as Valefor-Ifrit-Ixion-Shiva-Bahamut-Yojimbo-Anima-Magus 3 and then Aeonless Yuna) - The early summons are just too controllable and Deis' wealth of elemental options does a number on most of the bastards, which means affordable Geno Boosts and Ataraxias for all. Celerity having been spent in the Carbuncle fight sucks, but I'm pretty sure the party can live. Anima would make a bigger number if not for the speed woes and the Magus Sisters are scary little fuckers, but I just feel there's too much the party can do to keep the worst problems under their heels. Scary floor, though.

Team Dhyer | Ness, Cielo, Nina1, Raja, Seifer (Status Symbol)
[Floor 2b: The Forboding Forest]
Team vs. FFT Red Chocobo, Black Chocobo and Yellow Chocobo - Chocobos fail forever and ever at durability, but are fast. Dhyer is just happy Nina gets to cast Fort on Raja here.
Team vs. Razzly, Turnip, Funguy and Neo-Fio - Once again, Fort saves Dhyer's ass here. Mang, Raja without Speed? is such a goddamn liability. Even moreso under Status Symbol. I honestly don't like SS applied to a team that doesn't have awesome stats, because the people who -already- suck at stats or are just slightly above average feel the hit a lot more.
Team vs. Erk and Serra - This fight sucks. EDIT: I -DID- forget Erk doubling Raja, but couldn't Seifer/Ness/Nina1 kill Erk anyway? Ness isn't below average -yet- I think, since Poo is like floor 4 and Jeff's speed fails. Alternatively, you could give Cielo the benefit of doubt. ALTERNATIVELY ALTERNATIVELY, If Nina has Hush already this is a complete laugher and I don't know why I'm even thinking.
Team vs. Spar, Frog and Bo - Cielostatus helps a bunch here.
Team vs. Rude, Reno and Lete River Ultros - Okay, now this is the million dollar question fight. I think Lete River Ultros is a real mean fucker - for starters, even restricting his horrible rape ITE MT high 2HKO, one shot of that = ahahaha oh man if he gets it off, and odds are he -is-. The offense in this party ain't impressing me as it stands, even if Cielo hits weakness. With status symbol in place, odds are this gets even worse, since half Dhyer's party sucks at durability and it's getting maimed by Status Symbol further (have I mentioned Status Symbol feels like one of the worst choices for a Sealstone that may actually be picked by people? Having statusblocking options >>> Status Symbol - in many cases, even no statusblocking options with full wealth of stats >>> SS because way too much stuff gets significantly hit by the across the board statistical nerfing, status immunity is oddly niche for something that claims so many lives in theory). But I think this isn't hopeless - MT = Seifer gets off limit, and since I think Ultros MT isn't turn one, Cielo gets a turn too. There's no way they're letting Raja live, though, Ultros+Reno are likely 2HKOing him at worst and they synchronize their turns well with each other. OF COURSE, this is a turn they get to wail at Ultros more freely, since Rude also sucks and Ness offense is all MT in addition to Cielo hitting that painful weakness on Ultros, and trying to chip Seifer is useless when you have Nina1 spamming Cura. So yeah. I may give the team a pass if only because of how interested I am in seeing how it pans out, but this is a mean fight. EDIT: and all that said, I guess benefit of doubt it is.

« Last Edit: January 21, 2011, 10:35:54 AM by Jo'ou Ranbu »
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Re: Nyarlathotep's Dungeon: Week 36 (WHAAAAAAT are you saying)
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2011, 05:02:00 PM »
Team vs. Kyra, Artea, FFT Chemist, Yukiko and Rosa- LoD specializes in MT smash. With the speed setup, they should be able to go before everyone but Artea and just slaughter the field.
Team vs. Yuna, Nina4, Marle, Teddie and Raja- See above. Leave Teddie alive (ST revival, oh no) and build up SP as needed.)
*Full Heal
Team vs. Fou-lu, Lambda and Gades (L1)- This team is pyscho fast at this point (Even Albert should scrape above average with equips). Fou-Lu's MT is: on Astral and slow, and requires having living teammates. Lambda evades something like three out of four attacks, that's not enough here. Gades is getting hit as well and won't get more than a turn to smack someone around. Once Gades dies from the blitz, it's just a matter of healing the damage caused by Soul Rend and making sure resources are in good enough shape for the next fight.
Team vs. Jade, Luca Blight and Empyrea- This is more of a problem. The team can probably blitz Empy before she gets a turn, but Jade is going to create serious problems with BoltX.  Donno. They'll be able to clear the fight, but they've got to be in good shape for PD and Xorn to have a prayer.
Team vs.Profound Darkness and Xorn

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Re: Nyarlathotep's Dungeon: Week 36 (WHAAAAAAT are you saying)
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2011, 08:15:05 PM »
Uncertain on Snow - Yunalesca fight is veeeery much make or break (and I need to see how the FF5 Summon boss fight works, the non-IDable damage there is large and might choke the team there), and one MP bust spells fuck because while the Aeon chain is kind to buffers it very much demands resources. Raja can cover it some, yes... I need to figure that out/write it out.

I think CT falls here. :/ Pretty much see Snow.

Dhyer... requires me... to think about Seifer and Lete River Ultros. Uhhh that's a pain. Give me a while.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2011, 08:17:02 PM by Taitoro »

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Re: Nyarlathotep's Dungeon: Week 36 (WHAAAAAAT are you saying)
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2011, 08:26:55 PM »
I'm pretty sure the 50% mHP MT healing item was storebought, but I'm really doubting that that's enough here.  Going with a fail to Team CT.

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Re: Nyarlathotep's Dungeon: Week 36 (WHAAAAAAT are you saying)
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2011, 11:10:17 PM »
Uncertain on Snow - Yunalesca fight is veeeery much make or break (and I need to see how the FF5 Summon boss fight works, the non-IDable damage there is large and might choke the team there)

The only person getting a single action in the FF5 summons fight besides Mist Dragon (lololololol) is Titan and that's on his death counter, which isn't even a OHKO to average mdur. The FF5 summons are horrendously frail, clearly sub-PC HP even after defenses, and none of them are even really fast, let alone faster than Deis and Geno.

EDIT: 'lesca fight, of course, is the really tough part. Nightmarish against PCs.
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Re: Nyarlathotep's Dungeon: Week 36 (WHAAAAAAT are you saying)
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2011, 08:44:18 AM »
Breakdown Times

Team Tranquil | Dart, Albert, Meru, Sharanda, Rose (Synergy Bonus)
[Floor 8b: Do you have the Resources?]
Team vs. Kyra, Artea, FFT Chemist, Yukiko and Rosa- At worst, Sharanda unleashes absurd Psyche Bomb X powers.
Team vs. Yuna, Nina4, Marle, Teddie and Raja- I'm assuming this is Aeonless Yuna.
*Full Heal
Team vs. Fou-lu, Lambda and Gades (L1)- Damaging Fou Lu isn't too bad (Magic, Magic, Magic!), but...things could get rocky later. They don't want to have to use Psyche Bomb X, and I don't think they'll need to.
Team vs. Jade, Luca Blight and Empyrea- 3 Turns of Magic Immunity removes too much of Jade's threat I believe? After all, once Jade is gone, Sharanda can enter Dragoon form and revive and Jade can't OHKO her. I do believe that they got to use that item in dungeon
Team vs. Profound Darkness and Xorn- Are PS4 crits ITD or just ITE? ITD would be horrid and really even removes Dragoon form outslugging hopes in some ways.

Team Jo'ou | Deis1, Geno, Ryu3, Raja (Speed?), FFT Priest
Team vs. Yunalesca- Can't really vote (FF 5 bosses are ???? for me), but uses MegaDeath as Stage 2 is defeated...doesn't that basically screw over every dungeon team ever? I guess needs them to kill stage 2 and bumrush stage 3 straight off? The problem just being...no more scaled down HP makes that difficult.


Team Dhyer | Ness, Cielo, Nina1, Raja, Seifer (Status Symbol)
[Floor 2b: The Forboding Forest]

Of note, basically every enemy has to make it their goal to kill Raja. Raja gets turn=Raja MT buffs and ruins enemy damage

Team vs. FFT Red Chocobo, Black Chocobo and Yellow Chocobo- Not worried about Raja dying here. Yellow Chocobo is slow and I don't believe the other two have better better. So, Nina 1 buffs Raja so that he may actually be able to take hits from all 3 (Her defense buffing actually doesn't fail early!). Regardless, Cielo goes before Yellow Chocobo and heals Raja if needed. If all Chocobos are below average speed, they go after Ness, and then Raja is halving physicals too, so that's not happening. At least I know Raja can make it through one match!
Team vs. Razzly, Turnip, Funguy and Neo-Fio- Assuming tiebreaking here by Stamina (Or else every enemy and Cielo are the same speed, and Ness is right in that ballpark too). So...Razzly and Neo-Fio are fast, Turnip and Funguy are slow. Nina opens by buffing Raja, although...Neo-Fio and Razzly couldn't kill Raja turn 1 regardless. Cielo heals Raja, and then Raja gets to his turn and jack up everyone's defense. After all, it's clean up.
Team vs. Erk and Serra- Raja is helped that I'd include doubles in averages, because I have lots of def buffing, but not so much mdef yet. On the other hand, Erk has 15 damage base and Serra has 14...but can't hit the weakness. Assuming 78 damage with doubles and weaknesses thrown in is...not enough, I don't think. Even worse, Cielo may go between them (and potentially Ness). Or based on movement, Cielo could go before them both. Still, don't think they can do it factoring doubles straight in. Team passes either way, but with or without Raja is a big difference
Team vs. Spar, Frog and Bo- Lol no either way. Come out of this battle at whatever HP levels I want.
Team vs. Rude, Reno and Lete River Ultros- As noted earlier, if I come in with Seifer, enemies have a problem. They need to take out both Seifer and Raja round 1, which I don't think they can do. Ultros is a bit messy regardless (Arguably can't double act until the 3rd action). Rude and Reno are messier in a way, but I'm assuming final forms?

If Ultros can't even double act turn 1...Seifer is getting a turn, and maybe OHKOing all three. Ultros does double but Raja comes in alive, I have a pretty solid shot as noted above. A lot of the floor depends on turn speed, but that maybe not be rare in dungeon! The middle fight may actually be the lynch pin because fight 1 is bad with damage and a little slow, fight 2 is better with damage, but may be a bit slower and fight 4 is lolz.
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Re: Nyarlathotep's Dungeon: Week 36 (WHAAAAAAT are you saying)
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2011, 10:18:12 AM »
Team Jo'ou | Deis1, Geno, Ryu3, Raja (Speed?), FFT Priest
Team vs. Yunalesca- Can't really vote (FF 5 bosses are ???? for me), but uses MegaDeath as Stage 2 is defeated...doesn't that basically screw over every dungeon team ever? I guess needs them to kill stage 2 and bumrush stage 3 straight off? The problem just being...no more scaled down HP makes that difficult.

Remember she MT Zombies as Stage 1 dies. If there -is- a no HP scaling rule in effect, though, yes, Yunalesca is completely broken in the dungeon and can't be used period - but Megadeath is just part of the problem rather than the whole reason.
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Re: Nyarlathotep's Dungeon: Week 36 (WHAAAAAAT are you saying)
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2011, 08:21:36 PM »
Oh yeah...that's headachey. Fortunately I can't vote on the first 60% of the field saving me from too much headache.
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Re: Nyarlathotep's Dungeon: Week 36 (WHAAAAAAT are you saying)
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2011, 03:50:56 AM »
Pass to Dhyer. I'm seeing Raja and Seifer both surviving until the boss, and that's all that's needed to beat it. (Even if I see Rude as somewhat better than most, he's still not amazingly fast and both him and Reno are frail.)

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Re: Nyarlathotep's Dungeon: Week 36 (WHAAAAAAT are you saying)
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2011, 04:15:01 AM »
Team vs. Razzly, Turnip, Funguy and Neo-Fio - Once again, Fort saves Dhyer's ass here. Mang, Raja without Speed? is such a goddamn liability. Even moreso under Status Symbol. I honestly don't like SS applied to a team that doesn't have awesome stats, because the people who -already- suck at stats or are just slightly above average feel the hit a lot more.

I only created a team because I wanted to see if there was a combination of skillset syngergy that could actually make SS not fail. My gut reaction was not so much, but it was a complete attempted project team.
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Re: Nyarlathotep's Dungeon: Week 36 (WHAAAAAAT are you saying)
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2011, 06:35:19 AM »
Dhyer passes.  It seems that his survival depends on Lete River Ultros hype, which, well, meh.

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Re: Nyarlathotep's Dungeon: Week 36 (WHAAAAAAT are you saying)
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2011, 10:13:11 AM »
Team vs. Razzly, Turnip, Funguy and Neo-Fio - Once again, Fort saves Dhyer's ass here. Mang, Raja without Speed? is such a goddamn liability. Even moreso under Status Symbol. I honestly don't like SS applied to a team that doesn't have awesome stats, because the people who -already- suck at stats or are just slightly above average feel the hit a lot more.

I only created a team because I wanted to see if there was a combination of skillset syngergy that could actually make SS not fail. My gut reaction was not so much, but it was a complete attempted project team.

That's completely cool with me. I honestly want to see if this actually goes places, too.

Although, honestly? I feel SS would be a better Sealstone if it was ST. More flexibility in how you apply it in exchange for less overall immunities, but it means you don't have to screw over stat-wise your entire party just to have, say, Cielo synergy.

EDIT: Ohhhhhhhh right the stat busting ate a nice little nerf.
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Re: Nyarlathotep's Dungeon: Week 36 (WHAAAAAAT are you saying)
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2011, 02:40:59 PM »
Teams Jo'ou and Dhyer vs Dungeon

I honestly think it's a miracle the LoD team managed to come this far. Even with accessories/items they are still relatively scrubby compared to other casts and have had to work for it. I'm thinking Haschel might have been a better long term choice than Albert though. He'd have the Destroyer Mace for this round, if everyone is going to be dying and having to be constantly revived anyway then he might have well have used his turns to get in a few shots of OP damage before going down again anyway. Also Dart has game best damage for this round now that he has Divine Dragon right? Don't suppose it makes a difference though.
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Re: Nyarlathotep's Dungeon: Week 36 (WHAAAAAAT are you saying)
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2011, 09:48:56 PM »
Team Dhyer | Ness, Cielo, Nina1, Raja, Seifer (Status Symbol)
[Floor 2b: The Forboding Forest]
Team vs. FFT Red Chocobo, Black Chocobo and Yellow Chocobo - Red's advantage (range) doesn't exist in the Dungeon so much.  Black is frail as ever, and yellow both fails at actual healing ability and damage.  They fry.
Team vs. Razzly, Turnip, Funguy and Neo-Fio - ...aren't these the CC reject lights?  Pretty sure they explode too.
Team vs. Erk and Serra - Serra respect not found.  Her healing's pretty strong--but isn't self-targetable.  She dies, Erk follows soon while not being able to do much after that.
Team vs. Spar, Frog and Bo - Bo is lol.  ...actually, not sure which one's the least threatening here.  Just that there's enough healing for this team to head in with
Team vs. Rude, Reno and Lete River Ultros - Frankly, I don't have much respect for Lete River Ultros.  The real problem is which form of the Turks they are; if Reno has his Sector 7 Tower form...things could get a bit obnoxious--but then again any MT will break Pyramid effortlessly, and both PSI Rockin' and Mazio should be available at this point.  I'm giving the win to Dhyer here.
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Re: Nyarlathotep's Dungeon: Week 36 (WHAAAAAAT are you saying)
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2011, 12:39:23 AM »
Does Pyramid get around Status Symbol to you?

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Re: Nyarlathotep's Dungeon: Week 36 (WHAAAAAAT are you saying)
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2011, 01:27:59 AM »
Random question, but was team CT supposed to gain a post floor 7 bonus or two?
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Re: Nyarlathotep's Dungeon: Week 36 (WHAAAAAAT are you saying)
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2011, 02:15:00 AM »
They got some nice equips, mostly. check the synergy list.
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Re: Nyarlathotep's Dungeon: Week 36 (WHAAAAAAT are you saying)
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2011, 12:01:01 PM »
Does Pyramid get around Status Symbol to you?

Pyramid's one of the rare things that does to me, yes, alongside stuff like 4D Pocket and explicitly immunity-ignoring status.
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