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Season 41, Week 3
« on: March 08, 2008, 05:55:21 AM »
Godlike:

Ted (S4) vs Jade (BoF1)
Kratos Aurion (ToS) vs Yuna (FFX)
Jenna Angel (DDS) vs Wren (PS4)
Ellen Kirshima (Pers) vs Yuri Volte Hyuga (SHs)

Heavy:

Claus F. Lester (ToP) vs Gades (Lufias)
Nina Wyndia (BoF2) vs Yuber (S3)
Surt (VP1) vs Vulcanus (Disgaea)
Demi (PS4) vs Kharg (AtL4)

Middle:

Peter (SF2) vs Karin Koenig (SH2)
Bright (S3) vs Lute (FE8)
Guy (Lufia 2) vs Sara (BoF1)
Canas (FE7) vs Nino (FE7)

Light:

Mia Ausa (Lunar:SSSC) vs Gepetto (SH2)
Ricardo Gomez (SH3) vs Frank Goldfinger (SH3)
Lowen (FE7) vs Spar (BoF2)
Lani (FF9) vs Cyan Garamonde (FF6)
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Re: Season 41, Week 3
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2008, 06:06:26 AM »
Godlike:

Ted (S4) vs Jade (BoF1)- Jade can tank through any three of Ted's spells. I'm pretty sure that's all he needs to do.
Kratos Aurion (ToS) vs Yuna (FFX)- Extremely sure on this, even though I don't normally vote on ToS due to not finishing it.
Jenna Angel (DDS) vs Wren (PS4)- Less sure on this.
Ellen Kirshima (Pers) vs Yuri Volte Hyuga (SHs)- Ellen without MP is sad.

Heavy:

Nina Wyndia (BoF2) vs Yuber (S3)- Refuse to think on this.
Surt (VP1) vs Vulcanus (Disgaea)- Coinflip. Could be argued.
Demi (PS4) vs Kharg (AtL4)- Assuming Kharg's faster here. He can't really heal lock with a physical+Windblade Fury even with thunder coatings. Two windblade furies heal lock.. for like two turns. Yeah. He needs the Big Owl here.

Middle:

Peter (SF2) vs Karin Koenig (SH2)- Karin's outclassed by good middle fighters. Peter resisting fire just makes things worse fo rher.
Bright (S3) vs Lute (FE8)- This is pending a check on Lute's evasion, but her physical defense I remember being really bad in the DL.
Guy (Lufia 2) vs Sara (BoF1)- Leaning Guy here. It depends on where I put BoF1 average HP at. As always Sara offense/speed hype gets zero respect from me.
Canas (FE7) vs Nino (FE7)- Don't know.

Light:

Mia Ausa (Lunar:SSSC) vs Gepetto (SH2)
Ricardo Gomez (SH3) vs Frank Goldfinger (SH3)- don't know or care if  I'm wrong here.
Lowen (FE7) vs Spar (BoF2)- Spar fucking sucks at handling anyone with direct offense. He can't heal his way out of trouble and he definitely isn't outslugging with Ice 2.
Lani (FF9) vs Cyan Garamonde (FF6)
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Re: Season 41, Week 3
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2008, 06:10:50 AM »
Godlike:

Ted (S4) vs Jade (BoF1): OHKOs, I'm thinking.
Kratos Aurion (ToS) vs Yuna (FFX): No comment.
Jenna Angel (DDS) vs Wren (PS4): Think she OHKOs with Bhairava. Heal locks with it certainly.

Heavy:

Claus F. Lester (ToP) vs Gades (Lufias): Buff->OHKO. Tank whatever Claus tries to throw at him.
Nina Wyndia (BoF2) vs Yuber (S3): Uhh. PC form may get ID'd, boss form may get OHKOd. I'm not too sure.
Surt (VP1) vs Vulcanus (Disgaea): Significantly outdamages post MR.
Demi (PS4) vs Kharg (AtL4): Kaboom.

Middle:

Peter (SF2) vs Karin Koenig (SH2): Peter's a good physical slugfester. Karin doesn't really have anything else here.
Bright (S3) vs Lute (FE8): DIE FE. DIE.
Guy (Lufia 2) vs Sara (BoF1): Healing IP was starting armor? Yeah.
Canas (FE7) vs Nino (FE7): DIE FE. DIE.

Light:

Mia Ausa (Lunar:SSSC) vs Gepetto (SH2): Gotta figure a fast mage beats one who isn't? Eh.
Ricardo Gomez (SH3) vs Frank Goldfinger (SH3)
Lani (FF9) vs Cyan Garamonde (FF6): Splat.

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Re: Season 41, Week 3
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2008, 06:19:12 AM »
Heavy:

Surt (VP1) vs Vulcanus (Disgaea)
Vastly more durable with Heal.

Middle:

Peter (SF2) vs Karin Koenig (SH2)
Splat.
Canas (FE7) vs Nino (FE7)
Uh.....

Light:

Mia Ausa (Lunar:SSSC) vs Gepetto (SH2)
Think he can swing this by resisting fire? Close one.
Ricardo Gomez (SH3) vs Frank Goldfinger (SH3)
My gut is that Frank's damage beats out Ricardo's regen, and the healing is rather sad at endgame.
Lani (FF9) vs Cyan Garamonde (FF6)
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Re: Season 41, Week 3
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2008, 06:22:23 AM »
Godlike:

Jenna Angel (DDS) vs Wren (PS4) - Bhairava+Genocide... likely... take this? I think? Arguably doesn't matter, second form can wall Wren unless she had some way around the phys-reflect. Such a sad, sad match. Damn. Wonder if she beats form 1, though...? Mrrr, doubt it, but.
Ellen Kirshima (Pers) vs Yuri Volte Hyuga (SHs) - Ellen, unlike Nate, has no use for her P1 form since it doesn't null Dark. Like it matters here.

Heavy:

Nina Wyndia (BoF2) vs Yuber (S3) - ...I....    um, lemme think, leaning Nina, may be forgetting something but my respect for Boss Yuber speed isn't present and PC Yuber eats Death.
Surt (VP1) vs Vulcanus (Disgaea) -...Thinking.

Middle:

Peter (SF2) vs Karin Koenig (SH2) - No.
Bright (S3) vs Lute (FE8) - JABBERWOCKY FINISH.
Guy (Lufia 2) vs Sara (BoF1) - Thinking.
Canas (FE7) vs Nino (FE7) - Mmm.

Light:

Ricardo Gomez (SH3) vs Frank Goldfinger (SH3) - Okay. If someone proves conclusively to me that Frank wins, I'll switch votes. But out of the two SH scrubs, I'll take the one which doesn't annoy me until proven otherwise. Also, 3rd ring hype.
Lowen (FE7) vs Spar (BoF2) - Low Middle physicaler vs. High Light mage. Physicaler goes first. Bye, Spar.
Lani (FF9) vs Cyan Garamonde (FF6) - Bang. Lani is glad I've begun revising my opinion on mid-game bosses. Not sure if I'll keep voting this way, but while I work this out, sure.

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Re: Season 41, Week 3
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2008, 06:26:29 AM »
Godlike:

Ted (S4) vs Jade (BoF1)- Jade
Kratos Aurion (ToS) vs Yuna (FFX)- Yuna
Jenna Angel (DDS) vs Wren (PS4)- Jenna
Ellen Kirshima (Pers) vs Yuri Volte Hyuga (SHs)- Blar, Yuri might take it. His SH 1 dark damage is better than I thought.

Heavy:

Claus F. Lester (ToP) vs Gades (Lufias)- Gades
Nina Wyndia (BoF2) vs Yuber (S3)- Nina. Might OHKO the boss form, IDs the PC form. Also, I'd consider Yuber at least locked into his PC form, since the boss form likely loses to Rutee. 3000 HP is really, really bad.
Surt (VP1) vs Vulcanus (Disgaea)- Surt
Demi (PS4) vs Kharg (AtL4)- Kharg

Middle:

Peter (SF2) vs Karin Koenig (SH2)- Peter
Bright (S3) vs Lute (FE8)- Bright
Guy (Lufia 2) vs Sara (BoF1)- Sara
Canas (FE7) vs Nino (FE7)- Canas?

Light:

Mia Ausa (Lunar:SSSC) vs Gepetto (SH2)- Gepetto. Yeah, he 2HKOs anyways.
Ricardo Gomez (SH3) vs Frank Goldfinger (SH3)- Ricardo.
Lowen (FE7) vs Spar (BoF2)- Unsure. Depends a lot on the effectiveness of BoF 2 buffs.
Lani (FF9) vs Cyan Garamonde (FF6)- Lani
 
 
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Re: Season 41, Week 3
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2008, 06:27:06 AM »
Heavy:

Claus F. Lester (ToP) vs Gades (Lufias) - Outslugs with Aska. Gooooo endgame L2 Gades <_<

Middle:

Guy (Lufia 2) vs Sara (BoF1) - EDIT: ... Right
Canas (FE7) vs Nino (FE7) - For all that there are views that could give this to Nino... I give her a bit of a level penalty, which enough to tip this to Canas.

Light:

(Serously need to actually get through BoF2 sometime)
Lani (FF9) vs Cyan Garamonde (FF6)
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Re: Season 41, Week 3
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2008, 07:03:37 AM »
Ted (S4) vs Jade (BoF1): Right. Jade's probably too durable even if Ted could heal or cast Judgement under Silent Lake. As he can't...
Kratos Aurion (ToS) vs Yuna (FFX): Played enough ToS to vote on this!
Jenna Angel (DDS) vs Wren (PS4): Bhairava may not be OHKOing outright initially... but Debilitate. And Wren can't press his offence through the form with it since he needs to heal then.

Heavy:

Nina Wyndia (BoF2) vs Yuber (S3): A bit faster, Eight Devil OHKOs.
Surt (VP1) vs Vulcanus (Disgaea): Vulcanus' damage isn't really much good at all. Also wins the speed tiebreak (goes first in-game, while Disgaea enemies go second) and... yep, scratching my head as to what you'd see Vulcanus doing better honestly.

Middle:

Peter (SF2) vs Karin Koenig (SH2): Overwhelms the regen.
Bright (S3) vs Lute (FE8): 2HKOs, gies first, and even slightly above average accuracy puts away Lute evade hype. Lute can't 2HKO back. EDIT: Bright's below average accuracy if anything, so yeah. Lute gets the needed dodge to survive two rounds, and four spells = dead dragon.
Guy (Lufia 2) vs Sara (BoF1): Limit healing is fairly simple to overwhelm. It never fully repairs damage, and this fight is way too long. Sara being faster doesn't help matters.
Canas (FE7) vs Nino (FE7): Luna. 2HKOs, Isn't 3HKOed. Without Luna it's a good fight, I intend to numbercrunch it.

Light:

Mia Ausa (Lunar:SSSC) vs Gepetto (SH2): Huh. Did not realise Gepetto's damage was that good.
Ricardo Gomez (SH3) vs Frank Goldfinger (SH3): Oh hell. See below!
Lowen (FE7) vs Spar (BoF2): Faster, isn't doubled, better offence, overwhelms healing.
Lani (FF9) vs Cyan Garamonde (FF6): Splat.

Ricardo has a 9-8. Ignoring recharge times for now. Frank does 48% to Ricardo six times, 40% otherwise. Ricardo regens 10% a turn. Heals 34%. 4HKOs Frank.

Ricardo opens with a Fated Day's End. Ricardo and Frank then generally swap attacking and healing for... a long time. Frank can make small headway, but not enough before he runs out of Fast Snowball.

After seven exchanges, Ricardo doubleturns. If, at this point, Frank has used five Snowballs and two physicals, Ricardo will be at 56% at the start of his double. He regens twice and gets to 36%, attacking both times. Frank attacks him once more, Ricardo finishes the job.

... granted, this could all change if it turns out Frank's crit rate is actually worth something. OK suggested not, and he's the Frank fan, so I'll take his word for it. Excellent fight.

Now I remember Doubles exist. Okay. <_<

Starting again! Shorter fight now at least, I... think.

Ricardo: Fated Day's End
Frank: Fast Snowball (48%, 38%)
Ricaro: Arc Cure (4)
Frank: Fast Snowball (52, 42)
Ricardo [can double]: Arc Cure (8)
Frank [ditto]: Fast Snowball (56, 46)
Ricardo: Arc Cure (12)
Frank: Double, kills. Well it's borderline, technically, but little things like Frank's crit rate!!! and Ricardo's regen rounding down give him this.

Well, what if Ricardo doubles earlier? He can't. Doubles are laggy; if he does double, for any reason, well... it won't be killing Frank, and Frank will then doubleturn, attack once, then use a double of his own, which is death regardless of Ricardo HP.

Only other option I can see is...

Ricardo: Fated Day's End
Frank: Fast Snowball (48%, 38%)
Ricaro: Fated Day's End
Frank: Fast Snowball (86, 76)
Ricardo [can double]: Fated Day's End -> Hot Blood... fatal! Barely! But it is.

So Frank avoids this by not attacking that last turn, but this just lets Ricardo heal and get the double he needs for next round.

SHORT FORM: Ricardo goes first, gets a double by turn 3, 4HKOs before being 3HKOed. Frank can avoid giving him that double by not attacking him, but this just means Ricardo gets his double one turn later, and Frank wastes a turn utterly since he has no buffs or healing.
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Re: Season 41, Week 3
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2008, 07:06:20 AM »
Godlike:

Ted (S4) vs Jade (BoF1) - This is pretty much a lol.

Heavy:

Claus F. Lester (ToP) vs Gades (Lufias) - Eugh.
Nina Wyndia (BoF2) vs Yuber (S3) - Goes first with Eight Devil and OHKOs. Nina2 physical durability is fucking awful, and the fact she beat Hojo is a testament to how fucking horrible Hojo really is.

Middle:

Bright (S3) vs Lute (FE8) - Depends on who goes first, methinks? Lute should 3HKO and Bright should 2HKO, so.
Guy (Lufia 2) vs Sara (BoF1) - Uh, starting armor is his healing IP one? Um yeah no.
Canas (FE7) vs Nino (FE7) - Eh, I guess it feels right, Canas spoils Nino well.

Light:

Lowen (FE7) vs Spar (BoF2) - Ugh.
Lani (FF9) vs Cyan Garamonde (FF6) - Gimme.
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Re: Season 41, Week 3
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2008, 09:17:27 AM »
Godlike:
Ted (S4) vs Jade (BoF1) - Tanks


Heavy:
Nina Wyndia (BoF2) vs Yuber (S3) - Beats PC form
Surt (VP1) vs Vulcanus (Disgaea) - Better all around


Middle:
Bright (S3) vs Lute (FE8) - Think so
Guy (Lufia 2) vs Sara (BoF1) - Need real healing
Canas (FE7) vs Nino (FE7) - @#%^@#%^
Nino is superior to Canas in every way except for an armor avoiding spell!  Nino has sick evade (Lyn has 78, she has 74.), but if I did the stuff right then Canas has like 150 hit, or 75% chance to hit her.  Not missing until third attack and he obviously 2HKOs with a resistance evading move.  Nino easily doubles so she needs to 3HKO or crit (She won't be missing).  Sadly, Canas is a resist beast as well, so Nino only hits him for like 10.   ALSO, Canas is 3.6 speed slower than Nino using Elf Fire, so... that's not an option either since she misses double by .4.

So yeah, despite having more Power, a shitload more skill, shitload more speed, more resist, TEN more luck, and 20 more evade, Nino loses simply because of how Dark Mages gets Luna and Anima mages get shit.  (Trading 8 power for resistance ignoring is more than worth it.  As is trading some accuracy for life draining.)

Light:
Mia Ausa (Lunar:SSSC) vs Gepetto (SH2) - Ha ha Gepetto
Lowen (FE7) vs Spar (BoF2) - LOL Lowen
Lani (FF9) vs Cyan Garamonde (FF6) - RAPE

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Re: Season 41, Week 3
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2008, 02:24:25 PM »
Godlike:

Kratos Aurion (ToS) vs Yuna (FFX) - Even if I could vote on this match, I refuse to.
Jenna Angel (DDS) vs Wren (PS4) - Wren has trouble mustering enough damage to get past the Bhairava phases.  And even then, if he doesn't heal, a single smack will likely kill him afterwards.  Pity he -needs- to attack to get through said phase to begin with...

Heavy:

Nina Wyndia (BoF2) vs Yuber (S3)


Middle:

Peter (SF2) vs Karin Koenig (SH2) Karin sucks against decent fighters with fire resist.  This is relatively obvious.
Guy (Lufia 2) vs Sara (BoF1) Guy?  Meet BoF1 Lategame Boss Durability.

Light:

Lowen (FE7) vs Spar (BoF2) - as little Lowen respect as I had...dear god.  Spar SUCKS.  MASSIVELY.
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Re: Season 41, Week 3
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2008, 04:00:03 PM »
Godlike:

Kratos Aurion (ToS) vs Yuna (FFX) - Yuna wins without aeons through amusingly hilarious means. <3 Darktouch weapons and PRAY HYPE. *bans aeons for this match for no real reason*

Jenna Angel (DDS) vs Wren (PS4)

Heavy:

Claus F. Lester (ToP) vs Gades (Lufias)

Middle:

Guy (Lufia 2) vs Sara (BoF1)
Canas (FE7) vs Nino (FE7)

Light:

Mia Ausa (Lunar:SSSC) vs Gepetto (SH2)
Ricardo Gomez (SH3) vs Frank Goldfinger (SH3)
Lowen (FE7) vs Spar (BoF2)
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Re: Season 41, Week 3
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2008, 04:04:25 PM »
Godlike:

Ted (S4) vs Jade (BoF1)- Tough luck, Ted. Probably could have stayed in Godlike longer if he didn't have to face like 2 uber Godlikes in a row.
Kratos Aurion (ToS) vs Yuna (FFX)-Kratos is a low Godlike. Guess who's uber Godlike?
Jenna Angel (DDS) vs Wren (PS4)-Debilitate, Destroy.
Ellen Kirshima (Pers) vs Yuri Volte Hyuga (SHs)
Heavy:

Claus F. Lester (ToP) vs Gades (Lufias)- My Klarth respect is pretty darn high. He gets everything else that Cless doesn't, basically.
Nina Wyndia (BoF2) vs Yuber (S3)- Ahahaha. Wins either way to me.
Surt (VP1) vs Vulcanus (Disgaea)- Head. Ache.
Demi (PS4) vs Kharg (AtL4)- Usual Big Owl smash.

Middle:

Peter (SF2) vs Karin Koenig (SH2)- Fire resist vs. weakish fire damage.
Guy (Lufia 2) vs Sara (BoF1)-......

Light:

Mia Ausa (Lunar:SSSC) vs Gepetto (SH2)- Gepetto's damage is so horrible that MIA can fire off her spells in time.
Ricardo Gomez (SH3) vs Frank Goldfinger (SH3)- Yeah, still think Ricardo is a better Light.
Lowen (FE7) vs Spar (BoF2)- SPAR.
Lani (FF9) vs Cyan Garamonde (FF6)- I remember Lani now! And I'm leaning her because FOR THE LEFT SIDE!

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Re: Season 41, Week 3
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2008, 04:37:41 PM »
Canas (FE7) vs Nino (FE7) - @#%^@#%^
Nino is superior to Canas in every way except for an armor avoiding spell!  Nino has sick evade (Lyn has 78, she has 74.), but if I did the stuff right then Canas has like 150 hit, or 75% chance to hit her.  Not missing until third attack and he obviously 2HKOs with a resistance evading move.  Nino easily doubles so she needs to 3HKO or crit (She won't be missing).  Sadly, Canas is a resist beast as well, so Nino only hits him for like 10.   ALSO, Canas is 3.6 speed slower than Nino using Elf Fire, so... that's not an option either since she misses double by .4.

So yeah, despite having more Power, a shitload more skill, shitload more speed, more resist, TEN more luck, and 20 more evade, Nino loses simply because of how Dark Mages gets Luna and Anima mages get shit.  (Trading 8 power for resistance ignoring is more than worth it.  As is trading some accuracy for life draining.)

Don't forget that Canas gets WTA against Nino to boot.

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Re: Season 41, Week 3
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2008, 09:04:49 PM »
Since I think I might be changing my vote on this, and it's um...well, the only vote so far in this direction, it's math bombardment! Yes.

Gepetto over Mia.
Okay, Wind Cane Mia 4HKOs Gepetto. Convieniently, Lunar 2 kill point is 680 and SH 2 HP average is 675. Easy comparison. Mia does 210, Gepetto cuts her damage by 13, so she does less than 200 and Gepetto has 606 HP. Now...Gepetto just likely straight 2HKOs, even with Recharge times. Holy Cast+Advent does 790 SH damage, which translates into 217.6 Lunar Damage (SH kill point is 835, Lunar HP average is 230). Mia's Mdef is 7 above average, so she cuts the 2 spells by 6.4 each assuming its subtractive, so she takes 204.8. She has 203 HP. Yep, she's 2HKOed, and she at best 3HKOs back.
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Re: Season 41, Week 3
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2008, 11:44:57 PM »
Kratos Aurion (ToS) vs Yuna (FFX): ;_;

Bright (S3) vs Lute (FE8): T_T
Canas (FE7) vs Nino (FE7): Seems easy enough.

Lani (FF9) vs Cyan Garamonde (FF6): Seems bloody obvious.
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Re: Season 41, Week 3
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2008, 12:50:08 AM »
Yeah Hinode, the thing is that if you take Nino at 20/15, she would completely rape Canas even with WTA if they had equal weapons. 7 more speed, 10 more luck, couple more resist, more skill, 25 more evade, and so on more than makes up for it unless it's far stronger than I imagined.  It might be a good match, but I'm almost positive doubles + evade would give it to Nino.  Like if Canas had to use Flux and Nino used Fire/Thunder.  However, there isn't any reason to NOT give Canas Nos or Luna, so his uber dark weapons crush the little girl.

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Re: Season 41, Week 3
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2008, 07:21:17 PM »
How is Bright beating Lute? Lute has really good damage and evasion. Bright's damage is actually really bad, one of the worst damage dealers in the game since most others get more swings and a fully sharpened weapon.

Also note I take FE8 at 20/20 in the DL due to the tower and unlimited leveling.

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Re: Season 41, Week 3
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2008, 08:19:08 PM »
Bright has average damage, roughly. Monsters with high Str are actually fully capable of holding their own with L16 weapons for damage. He has two swings, which is standard, and high Str. Average damage 2HKOs Lute at any reasonable level.

Giving Lute slightly higher levels would help her evade some, but Bright does have a bit above average accuracy...

No, wait, he doesn't. Looks like the stat topic compared him with Accuracy set to an average of PCs, many of whom don't have it set. Well, I don't agree with that! So yeah, Lute wins, since she'll survive two hits, and hence get four of her own, which is fatal.

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Re: Season 41, Week 3
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2008, 10:25:27 PM »
Lute doesn't really have good evasion. She has 35% evasion when the average is 27%. Above average, yes. And to get that extra Accuracy, Bright is having to make a trade off anyways, so why should that he held against him. His best trade off is MRes, but giving his HP and above average MDef, that shouldn't be too problematic. Of course, if she needs 4 full hits to win, he can use the AoE Rune to avoid at least 1 counter.

And why would levels be higher due to unlimited leveling? That would imply that basically every single DL game minus FE 7 and VH should be taken at max level for everything. They all have unlimited leveling.
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Re: Season 41, Week 3
« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2008, 10:32:04 PM »
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Lute doesn't really have good evasion. She has 35% evasion when the average is 27%.

35% sounds pretty good to me. It means you dodge one in every three hits.

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And to get that extra Accuracy, Bright is having to make a trade off anyways, so why should that he held against him.

To get that extra speed, Ryu needs to lose a lot of def, so why should that be held against him.

If you twink for a DL stat, you should get scaled against the rest of your cast twinking for that stat. Otherwise you run into nonsense like whole casts halving damage types. Bright does not deserve hype for 04 Skl / B accuracy, ever.

I agree with the "things shouldn't be 20/20" comment but it doesn't matter, Lute's evade is good enough at 20/15.

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Re: Season 41, Week 3
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2008, 10:45:39 PM »
If you twink for a DL stat, you should get scaled against the rest of your cast twinking for that stat.

...please tell me I'm misreading, because as far as I can tell what you're suggesting here is that you create a seperate average to base things off in this situation which is not only completely bizarre, but runs utterly opposing to the idea of using averages in the first place.
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Re: Season 41, Week 3
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2008, 10:49:26 PM »
Infinite levelling eh? Level 13000 Elc for Myria slayer!

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35% sounds pretty good to me. It means you dodge one in every three hits.
I think what Dhyer is getting at here is that Lute has 35% evade... against enemies with 73% accuracy. But Bright's accuracy is better than 73% so Lute doesn't dodge 35% of the time. Mind, I don't know how good is accuracy is in practice so I'm not getting into it.

I'm a little saddened that you'd be so dismissive of someone who is making a logical debate, but eh. We all know this is a touchy issue for us. FE in the DL and all that good stuff. (DL being crazy silly over something rather minor. Have I mentioned I love this place?)

As far as casts with changable stats? We should probably take the best default setting and let scale them to that. Yes, this means that casts that can shift their stats around to meet certain demands get better in the DL. The idea is that they have to make a logical sacrifice to get a bonus somewhere else. And if they can do that, more power to them I guess. If FE can be awesome because they get counters, casts with stats they can move around can be awesome for versatility. Hey, if Ryu can get uber speed by completely nerfing his defense thats fine by me. Of course that should be his default in the DL then because of his dueling style <_<. I suppose you could make a few different averages but that could get messy.


Anywho. Going to say Yuber over Nina I suppose. I'm uncomfortable with the PC form but eh, it likely OHKOs her soundly enough.

Also going to change to Geppetto > Mia. Just trusting Dhyer on this one or something.
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Re: Season 41, Week 3
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2008, 10:52:05 PM »
Well, if evaded 35% more than her cast it might be good, but with the endgame numbers, she only evades 10% more often.

If all stat changes should be held against that, it creates a major headache. If you want to hold up to an Accuracy twink averages, then every other average changes as others drop some skill in order to twink for accuracy too.
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Re: Season 41, Week 3
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2008, 11:01:02 PM »
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I'm a little saddened that you'd be so dismissive of someone who is making a logical debate, but eh.

More like Dhyer is dismissive of the style Alanna presumably uses. A lot of us DO take evasion based on in-game. We've hashed out this debate before and I see no reason to go through it again. You guys have your way, we have ours.

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As far as casts with changable stats? We should probably take the best default setting and let scale them to that. Yes, this means that casts that can shift their stats around to meet certain demands get better in the DL. The idea is that they have to make a logical sacrifice to get a bonus somewhere else. And if they can do that, more power to them I guess. Hey, if Ryu can get uber speed by completely nerfing his defense thats fine by me. Of course that should be his default in the DL then because of his dueling style <_<. I suppose you could make a few different averages but that could get messy.

Well, obviously I disagree pretty strongly with this whole stance. It's fair enough I suppose, but I don't find these separate averages messy at all (usually it's just one or two things that need to be changed), and I DO find things like naked speed hype and BoF5 damage halving nonsense to be offensive.

In the case of Bright, he's below average Skill, below average Accuracy skill. I can't see hyping this.

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