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Tourney 2011 Finals
« on: September 19, 2011, 02:02:12 AM »
Godlike

Lady (Shadow Hearts: From the New World)- i vs Jenna Angel (Digital Devil Saga)- vii
Ryu (Breath of Fire III)- viii vs Isolde (Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis)- i

Heavy

Rei (Breath of Fire III) vs Lloyd (Legend of Dragoon)- x
Elliot (Legaia 2: Duel Saga)- i vs Wren (Phantasy Star IV)- vii

Middle

Florina (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword)- v vs Lightning (Final Fantasy XIII)- ii
Mathias (Suikoden V) vs Albel Nox (Star Ocean: Till the End of Time)- x

Light

Mao (Shadow Hearts: From the New World) vs Akaghi (Suikoden IV)- viiii
Piccolo (Suikoden III)- viii vs Melody Vilente (Wild ARMs 3)- i

Demon King Piccolo (Suikoden III)- ii vs Seibzehn (Xenogears)- i

Godlike

Jenna Angel (Digital Devil Saga) vs Ryu (Breath of Fire III)

Heavy

Lloyd (Legend of Dragoon) vs Wren (Phantasy Star IV)

Middle

Florina (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) vs Albel Nox (Star Ocean: Till the End of Time)

Light

Akaghi (Suikoden IV) vs Piccolo (Suikoden III)

Akaghi, Ninja Pirate Zombie Robot (Suikoden IV) vs Seibzehn (Xenogears)
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Re: Tourney 2011 Finals
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2011, 02:32:43 AM »
Godlike

Jenna Angel (Digital Devil Saga) vs Ryu (Breath of Fire III): Dragon forms tank Bhairava very well.

Heavy

Lloyd (Legend of Dragoon) vs Wren (Phantasy Star IV): Counters might throw a bit of a wrench in here, but Wren is just too durable. This is like Lloyd vs. Ness except Wren is way more durable than Ness.

Middle

Florina (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) vs Albel Nox (Star Ocean: Till the End of Time): The evade and the spiky damage both give Albel big headaches.

Light

Akaghi (Suikoden IV) vs Piccolo (Suikoden III): Kinda assuming he 2HKOs first, though I should check numbers to be sure.

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Re: Tourney 2011 Finals
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2011, 02:46:26 AM »
Godlike

Jenna Angel (Digital Devil Saga) vs Ryu (Breath of Fire III) - Jenna

Heavy

Lloyd (Legend of Dragoon) vs Wren (Phantasy Star IV) - Wren

Middle

Florina (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) vs Albel Nox (Star Ocean: Till the End of Time) - Albel

Light

Akaghi (Suikoden IV) vs Piccolo (Suikoden III) - Piccolo

Akaghi, Ninja Pirate Zombie Robot (Suikoden IV) vs Seibzehn (Xenogears) - Seibzehn, being the character that actually exists
[11:53] <+Meeple_Gorath> me reading, that's a good one

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[19:27] <%Grefter-game> Vader intercepts.
[19:27] <%Grefter-game> Touchdown and Alderaan explodes in the victory

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Re: Tourney 2011 Finals
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2011, 03:30:42 AM »
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Jenna Angel (Digital Devil Saga) vs Ryu (Breath of Fire III)

Heavy

Lloyd (Legend of Dragoon) vs Wren (Phantasy Star IV)

Middle

Florina (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) vs Albel Nox (Star Ocean: Till the End of Time)- Aura wall is horrid death here, and I don't think Florina can outrace it before Confuse lands.

Light

Akaghi (Suikoden IV) vs Piccolo (Suikoden III)- Akaghi's attack is pretty bad, so kneejerk that Piccolo can pull this out.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2011, 03:37:37 AM by superaielman »
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Re: Tourney 2011 Finals
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2011, 03:43:06 AM »
Lloyd (Legend of Dragoon) vs Wren (Phantasy Star IV) - yar

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Re: Tourney 2011 Finals
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2011, 04:13:03 AM »
Florina (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) vs Albel Nox (Star Ocean: Till the End of Time)
But but Air Slash is totally wind elemental!  (... that travels along the ground and fails vs. fliers...)

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Akaghi (Suikoden IV) vs Piccolo (Suikoden III)

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Re: Tourney 2011 Finals
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2011, 04:48:01 AM »
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Aura wall is horrid death here, and I don't think Florina can outrace it before Confuse lands.

If Albel goes for anything -besides- draining, he's getting two-rounded since he's doubled. Albel just doesn't have the turns to land confuse, especially with Florina's evade dropping its accuracy.

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Re: Tourney 2011 Finals
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2011, 05:10:41 AM »
How good is Florina's evade? Is it above 70% or so? Also how good is her status/status abnormality resist?

Curious  :)

Edit: Albel's numbers

Confusion (Aura Wall 99 Fury): 94%- OK vs average status resist/SA via spamming of a full fury bar

Aura Wall- 30% chaos : Metalgearsolidboy vs 16 SA resist Lesser Devils,  % are rated on a per hit basis, not the entire move (Aura Wall hits 26~ x if I recall correctly) - matches my own experiences with status vs these enemies (less than average SAr)
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Re: Tourney 2011 Finals
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2011, 12:13:06 PM »
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Aura wall is horrid death here, and I don't think Florina can outrace it before Confuse lands.

If Albel goes for anything -besides- draining, he's getting two-rounded since he's doubled. Albel just doesn't have the turns to land confuse, especially with Florina's evade dropping its accuracy.

Florina only doubles Albel with an Iron sword, which doesn't cut it to me.
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Re: Tourney 2011 Finals
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2011, 07:32:56 PM »
*checks* Oh, I didn't realise Albel had above average pdur. Yeah, Florina does around 51.5% to average with a doubled Iron Sword, but that fails to 2HKO Albel. Well, technically using Aura Wall would let Florina complete the 2HKO due to self-damage, but we tend to ignore that self-damage for SO3 in the DL. Now that I think about it it would probably be better to consider it but lower the damage average due to it (like we do for pokemon Double-Edge, P4 physical skills, etc.) but oh god I'm far too lazy to mess around with SO3 averages today. Still, okay, match isn't a slaughter, now actually merits analysis.

Aura Wall has 5% confuse per hit per the stat topic. What I don't know is how many hits it reliably gets (I seem to recall it was less than 26 though, since I remember thinking it ended up turn 2 against those with no evade, which suggests 10-20). Florina's evade is nutty with an Iron Sword (only Legault and Lyn have more) and should roughly cut whatever that number is in half. Albel's only going to get two Aura Walls off before Florina criticals him if she goes for Killer (yes, assuming she doesn't double) and that's taking my dim view of FE crits where it's turn 4 (for a lot of people it'll be turn 3). I'd be stunned if Aura Wall weren't turn 3 at best against Florina.

Still, it's not a bad match now. Of course Albel robbed to get here so I'm not going to give him any benefit of the doubt.

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Re: Tourney 2011 Finals
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2011, 06:52:18 PM »
Well, as a formality.

Jenna- i  v Ryu- ii

Lloyd- v Wren- iiii

Florina- ii v Albel- ii

Akaghi- ii v Piccolo- ii

And even in the end, ties!  Alway a sign of balance.

Anyway, in terms of the size and selection process, how did this tourney work for people?
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Re: Tourney 2011 Finals
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2011, 07:17:33 PM »
I thought it was a pretty good roster and I enjoyed it.

Too bad about the lack of votes towards the end but this isn't exactly uncommon as only a few duellers are remaining.

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Re: Tourney 2011 Finals
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2011, 07:28:06 PM »
I often don't tally finals for that reason, but as it's the only fairly straight tourney we've seen this year...
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Re: Tourney 2011 Finals
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2011, 07:38:45 PM »
Well, I'm glad you did, since I like the closure personally.

Any plans to run another?

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Re: Tourney 2011 Finals
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2011, 04:32:51 AM »
I plan to run a futurama in the foreseeable future.  Dunno beyond that.
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Re: Tourney 2011 Finals
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2011, 04:35:39 AM »
Hmm, Jenna losing. I should have definitely remembered to vote then...
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Re: Tourney 2011 Finals
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2011, 04:39:17 AM »
You think she wins that one?

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Re: Tourney 2011 Finals
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2011, 04:42:09 AM »
Pretty sure Kaiser breath owns Jenna's crystals pretty hard. Bhavaria sucks against Ryu3 meatshielding.
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Re: Tourney 2011 Finals
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2011, 07:26:32 AM »
You think she wins that one?

No, I just find her guaranteed 3x overkill based on absurdly low HP buffering to be really annoying! I like seeing her lose.
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Re: Tourney 2011 Finals
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2011, 07:28:11 AM »
Anyway, in terms of the size and selection process, how did this tourney work for people?

Thought it was fine, and another should definitely be run.  Your call, but I think that with 1/8-1/6 of the duelers being unranked, another neo-Tourney would probably serve Futurama needs well - not sure CSTW and friends are really played enough to work, and votecount was still sometimes chancy even for this tourney.