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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #850 on: April 11, 2012, 05:53:24 PM »
Sonic Generations:  Finally started this, found a way to start a new file on the Main Account without affecting Mandy's file.  That useless Memory Card I had FINALLY came in handy for something!

Anyway, just beat Perfect Chaos.


Game is...basically what I expected.  Best Classic Sonic has ever been (controls are just as good as the Genesis, Stage designs are overall better and more creative, less glitch nonsense that screws you over) for half the game, other half is basically Sonic Colors without Wisps (this is a neutral thing as while Wisps didn't hurt Colors gameplay, they also didn't enhance it either, so you could throw them out and game would be just as good).  So yeah, living up to the hype so far.
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[21:39] <+Mega_Mettaur> Sonic Chaos
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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #851 on: April 12, 2012, 05:53:14 PM »
Found my old DDS2 stat topic notes - didn't have any boss data, nor did I have information for Cielo at Lv 40 (meaning I couldn't get any damage averages for the temps).
So, naturally, I decided to start again, using the notes I've got already to shape my playthrough. I'm following Mantra paths based on what people start with, with some slight exceptions (everyone gets Devourer, Gale only gets one of the final Physical Mantra, Seraph/Cielo get basic Hunt skills but not the fatal ones, but also get Spirit/Bhikkhuni in order to get the Hunt skills) but I also don't have Heat. Ah well.

Don't suppose anyone can find me any notes on DDS2 stats/skills? I'd take a look, but the laptop I'm on here is horrendously slow, so it'd take me ages to get anywhere, only to potentially find nothing. :|

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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #852 on: April 12, 2012, 07:42:55 PM »
Are you looking for some kind of specific in depth mechanics, or just general information like Mantra trees?
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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #853 on: April 12, 2012, 07:55:40 PM »
Preferably something in-depth. I've got some basic stuff that I've managed to gather from a few playthroughs/tests, but I haven't got information on some of the weirder stat uses (I'd guess Luck affects more than just status/crit/miss rates, for example) or on which statuses take priority over others (again, got some from my own tests, but at the moment, it's basically just "Curse > all"). Also, HP costs of moves, although I imagine that one will be easy enough to find when needed.
Lastly, any AI information at all would be great, mostly for things like "Do physical skills use enemy HP?" or "How much evasion does [boss] have?"

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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #854 on: April 13, 2012, 12:17:23 AM »
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Do physical skills use enemy HP?

I'd be stunned if the answer was yes, for a variety of reasons. Also, I imagine a lot of the info you're looking for is in Fenrir's boss notes for the game, have you found those?
« Last Edit: April 13, 2012, 01:52:30 AM by Dark Holy Elf »

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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #855 on: April 13, 2012, 01:49:46 AM »
"I'd guess Luck affects more than just status/crit/miss rates, for example"
I doubt it affects anything but those and drop rates. (Sorry, but Cielo just sucks)
IIRC I've thrown a lot of random data in the DDS1/2 stat topics. I doubt the mechanics change very much between the game, aside from -kajas/kundas. I've also fought bosses a ton of time and often stalled fights to figure out their moves / HPs, I never saw a significant difference. So I doubt their moves have HP costs.

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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #856 on: April 13, 2012, 08:13:58 AM »
I need to do a DL Pokemon run. Meeple is totally a Luvdisc.

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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #857 on: April 13, 2012, 11:40:25 AM »
I doubt it affects anything but those and drop rates. (Sorry, but Cielo just sucks)
Thankfully, DDS2 rectified this slightly by giving him a more useful stat (go go evasion-whore Cielo with high Agi/Luck~)
Anyways, that's pretty cool. I haven't had much chance to look around for notes (seriously, this computer sucks) but I'll see if I can get to them now. I'd rather not use DDS1 notes, just in case there is a change, but I suppose I'll look at those too, just as a basis for any notes here.

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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #858 on: April 13, 2012, 02:51:43 PM »
I need to do a DL Pokemon run. Meeple is totally a Luvdisc.

...no.  Just...no.  I'm pretty sure Eph's the one who is Luvdisc, and even avatared him at some point.
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[21:39] <+Mega_Mettaur> Sonic Chaos
[21:39] <+Hello-NewAgeHipsterDojimaDee> That's -brilliant-.

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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #859 on: April 13, 2012, 04:47:01 PM »
Now, Loudred, on the other hand, is constantly making noise, although most of it is meaningless~

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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #860 on: April 13, 2012, 06:13:50 PM »
Sonic Generations: Beaten!  I then went back to try out the new awesome ability the game gives you, followed by fighting Metal Sonic to Sonic Boom because...seriously, that's how the fight SHOULD have been!


Silver was a nice fun fight, Egg Dragoon not so much.  Egg Dragoon wouldn't have been so bad if the fight didn't take forever to kill; not only does he take a lot more hits than any other boss in the game, but he's only open during specific moments that can be easily missed, and the fight gets monotonous, and the falling section really just gets obnoxious.


The Final was...rather unfun.  Not that Super Sonic Final Bosses have been all that fun to begin with, but this was especially boring.  S Ranking it attempt #1 means that I must have been doing everything right though <_<


Overall...game is just great.  The fact that the Sonic Fanbase is bitter about this game just shows how unpleasible they are.  It IMPROVES Classic Sonic style with better controls, less glitches, more intuitive physics, etc., and has the best of Modern Sonic, and is a perfect representation of the series from the original game through Colors.  Furthermore, the ending credits managed to outdo Dissidia in terms of Nostalgic Fan-service, and that's no easy feat.  I really can't find a reason to say this is anything but the best the Sonic Game ever. 

That said...

Best Classic Stage: Gonna go with Crisis City.  Its hard and stylish, and really makes you work, but never feels STUPID about it.  Its exactly how difficulty should be handled.
Worst Classic Stage: Seaside Hill.  Besides the cool Whale bounce thing, this stage offers nothing.  Its a bland attempt to basically put Aquatic Ruins/Hydro City/etc. in the game with a different paint job, and has nothing going for it.  Its not difficult (though not trivial), and unoriginal.

Best Modern Stage: Rooftop Run or City Escape.  City Escape is impressively faithful to the original version despite that not being a Modern Sonic Game, which just goes to show how Sonic Adventure 2 really was "Proto-Modern Sonic" in terms of style, Rooftop Run is just very well done, and stylish, and NOT a carbon copy of the original (which they totally could have gotten away with, because that was a really damned fun looking stage in Unleashed and Unleashed uses the same style as Modern Generations.) Honorable mention to Crisis City because damned was that impressive how they made that FUN.
Worst Modern Stage: Seaside Hill again.  See, the Classic Era Sonic stages were cool to see the adjustment into Modern style, what with Green Hill Zone's FISH CAVE or the Exploding Chemical plant, the others were faithful adaptations of the originals (or flat out immense improvements in Crisis City's case), then we have...this stage, which offers nothing but a go cart section that is mostly a MACH SPEED section but less interesting.

Best Boss: Shadow.  Stylish, uniquely designed, and really everything a rival fight SHOULD be.  Silver and Metal Sonic weren't bad by any means, shadow is just exceedingly good.
Worst Boss: The Final.  Poorly done Super Sonic style boss, as I said.

Best Contribution to the game: Even Sonic Adventure 2 or Sonic 2k6.  City Escape and Crisis City are great, and both games contributed fun rival boss fights.  I think I'll give 2k6 the win here just because "Holy shit they made Sonic 2k6 LOOK GOOD" which edges out the Shadow fight or something.
Worst Contribution: Sonic Heroes.  Having the worst for both style stages, and adding nothing else, there's really no contest.   and its not the home game's fault either, because Sonic 2k6 is easily the worst game they used of the 9 and well...see above <_<


Oh, I will say this:
While I was disappointed with Planet Wisp being Sonic Colors stage, I will say the stage (both styles) was well done and it surprised me they actually incorporated THAT mechanic into the game.   Nice little treat.
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[21:39] <+Mega_Mettaur> Sonic Chaos
[21:39] <+Hello-NewAgeHipsterDojimaDee> That's -brilliant-.

[17:02] <+Tengu_Man> Raven is a better comic relief PC than A

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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #861 on: April 13, 2012, 08:13:22 PM »
"I'd guess Luck affects more than just status/crit/miss rates, for example"
I doubt it affects anything but those and drop rates. (Sorry, but Cielo just sucks)

If even all those (At least, P3 doesn't get hit/miss and DDS is somewhat similar enough that it wouldn't be surprising to see most stats generally work the same way).
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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #862 on: April 13, 2012, 08:25:25 PM »
I need to do a DL Pokemon run. Meeple is totally a Luvdisc.

Meeple is a Ludicolo.
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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #863 on: April 13, 2012, 09:53:17 PM »
Meeple is either a Chatot or a Loudred.

Note that I typed this before I read Yoshiken's post.

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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #864 on: April 13, 2012, 11:53:04 PM »
Planet Wisp seemed like a weird choice at first, but it turned out to be exactly the kind of level the game needed more of - a wilderness environment taken over by Eggman/Robotnik's factories.
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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #865 on: April 13, 2012, 11:56:03 PM »
I need to do a DL Pokemon run. Meeple is totally a Luvdisc.

...no.  Just...no.  I'm pretty sure Eph's the one who is Luvdisc, and even avatared him at some point.

Seconding Snow here, Meeple is clearly Ludicolo.

Eph is surely Poochyena.

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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #866 on: April 14, 2012, 01:06:03 AM »
Planet Wisp seemed like a weird choice at first, but it turned out to be exactly the kind of level the game needed more of - a wilderness environment taken over by Eggman/Robotnik's factories.

Its mostly that when I think of Sonic Colors, I think of these really unique looking terrains, that are really colorful and just stand out.  Look at Astro Coaster, Starlight Carnival, and Aquarium Park.  Heck, even the first stage, Tropical Resort, stands out like this.

Then there's Planet Wisp, which is more like "its on its way to becoming that" and kind of stands out as not that way.  Its not representative of Sonic Colors in terms of design, I feel. 

TO BE FAIR, Planet Wisp was well done in Sonic Generations, both visually and in terms of layout, but at the same time, I feel one of the other stages could have been better.  Personally, I'd have gone with Aquarium Park to be the "Token Water based stage", and chose a more interesting stage from Sonic Heroes (TO BE FAIR, its Sonic Heroes, so options aren't exactly interesting, though, I remember liking the Castle stage in that game)

Whatever, can't hate a stage that ends up being fun of course, and Planet Wisp is hardly bad in that regard.  Truth be told, the only stage I feel that was "bad"  was Seaside Hill, though I'm not a fan of Rooftop Run Classic (it loves its spikes a little too much), GRANTED, Rooftop Run Modern makes up for it.
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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #867 on: April 15, 2012, 01:54:08 PM »
I liked Rooftop Run Classic for giving 16-bit Sonic some ways to engage with the layout of the stage. You've got a point about Planet Wisp not really being representative of its game, I just thought it works well as a representative of the series as a whole.

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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #868 on: April 15, 2012, 09:51:24 PM »
FF2 - Just got Leon. He's pretty lame.
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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #869 on: April 15, 2012, 09:54:29 PM »
Laggy is also Farfetch'd. I am Delibird. We need a third for a Single-Evo Birds Trio.

Trips is also Zapdos, but that doesn't count.

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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #870 on: April 15, 2012, 10:25:42 PM »
Laggy is also Farfetch'd. I am Delibird. We need a third for a Single-Evo Birds Trio.

Trips is also Zapdos, but that doesn't count.

Which generation are we talking about again?  Or does anything go?  If anything, Chatot could fill that void.
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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #871 on: April 16, 2012, 05:00:30 AM »
DDS2: Man, I always forget how brutal Abaddon is. It's even worse on a DL-legal run where Cielo will never have Fire/Earth/Force and is forced. Gah.

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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #872 on: April 16, 2012, 05:21:29 AM »
Advance Wars 2: Black Hole Rising - Done. Finally. Holy crap this game took me forever. Really interesting system in the same way that Yggdra Union excites me with just how -different- it is compared to most RPG styles. I'm always happy to see that there's a lot more directions the supposedly-idea-dead RPG genre can take. I may play AW3 soon, but I'm going to put some time into some other games first, since I hear they are VERY similar.

I want to do -something- DL-related with the game mechanics here, but apart from some fun mental exercises, I can't really think of any tournament format the units/characters would fit into...


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Clearly the time has come for "The Great DL Pokefication"!
(Disclaimer: I may or may not have chosen these with a dartboard)

Meeple: Meowth
Snow: Jinx
CT: Marill
NEB: Ninetails
Ciato: Arcanine
super: Bulbasaur
Ko: Ivysaur
Andy: Flareon
Ashley: Vaporeon
Idun: Butterfree
Sopko: Eevee
Captain K: Alakazam
Namagomi: Mr. Mime
MagicFanatic: Nidoking
Neph: Dratini
Rob the Stampede: Tauros
Random: Exeggcute
Fenrir: Houndoom
Eph: Blastoise
Nitori: Poliwhirl
Shale: Kabutops
Laggy: Farfetch'd
Trancehime: Dragonair
Niu: Raichu
Dhyerwolf: Entei
Yoshiken: Luvdisc
Snowfire: Cyndaquil
hinode: Staryu
Metroidcomposite: Abra
Tonfa: Bellsprout
Gate: Plusle
Eternal: Squirtle
NotMiki: Jigglypuff
Talaysen: Mew
Grefter: Croconaw
Pyro: Chimchar
Sage: Slowbro
Stelas: Seel
VSM: Psyduck
OK: Chancey
Djinn: Charmander, of course.

These choices are all 100% the most accurate choices possible, there is no room for debate what-so-ever.

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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #873 on: April 16, 2012, 05:50:20 AM »
Yoshiken: Luvdisc

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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #874 on: April 16, 2012, 06:24:24 AM »
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