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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #925 on: April 21, 2012, 08:15:53 AM »
Reminiscent turn system, similar spells and items, Kelelons, both having lots of tiny treasures everywhere to drive OCD types mad... think there were one or two other things I've already noticed.

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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #926 on: April 21, 2012, 09:19:18 AM »
Huh, I see. I suppose that's interesting. Same 'series' seems like a bad term. It's more like same company carry-over, or some other similar term.

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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #927 on: April 21, 2012, 11:45:09 AM »
DDS2 DL-legal run: Reached the temp point! Saved just before Kartikeya, gonna take a shot at her and, if I can beat the fight, that seems like a good level to take the temps at. Currently looking at Lv 45 for everyone - anyone who knows DDS2 able to tell me if that seems fair? My last run somehow hit Lv 40 - I have no clue how I survived the Airport in that file. Fuck fighting Ice-immune, Force-absorbing enemies when 3/4 characters use those elements.

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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #928 on: April 21, 2012, 01:46:32 PM »
Diablo 3: Fun, but also laggier than a Laggy. I hope that's just the stress test factor. Anyway, beat Leoric with a dual-swords Monk. Next up: Barb, maybe? It's the one D2 class I never touched.
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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #929 on: April 21, 2012, 05:07:44 PM »
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Huh, I see. I suppose that's interesting. Same 'series' seems like a bad term. It's more like same company carry-over, or some other similar term.

Same design team makes a game in the same genre with repeated spells, items, some enemies, and other signatures. Sounds a lot like Final Fantasy to me, so yeah, I'll call them a series.

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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #930 on: April 21, 2012, 08:14:16 PM »
Yeah, same series. Just like Tales of and Star Ocean. Or SaGa and Seiken Densetsu. I don't know, it's just semantics, but I'm of the opinion that Final Fantasy is the oddball one when it comes to what makes a 'series'. I mean... if similar terms for spells and systems is all it takes to make a series, then even FF is kinda slow. It took them 12+ games to finally re-use the word "Esper".

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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #931 on: April 21, 2012, 08:26:49 PM »
Tales and Star Ocean are made by different companies and the games I've played have zero overlap in terms of things like spells, items, and enemies (beyond complete fantasy staples). Saga and Seiken Densetsu are slightly closer due to the Square Enix tie-in but it still feels like a major stretch unless you can think of things connecting them that I am missing. Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey are very clearly connected for reasons I already stated, about as much as any two Final Fantasy games.

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« Reply #932 on: April 21, 2012, 08:52:02 PM »
They even share a couple of otherwise unique status effects. I don't remember Tales and SO having any type of similarity other than being ARPGs I guess. (And Saga and SD have what in common? Not even battle system.)
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« Reply #933 on: April 21, 2012, 11:41:08 PM »
D3: Demon Hunter. Rapid Fire is absurd. I can't wait to see what runes do for it.
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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #934 on: April 21, 2012, 11:51:34 PM »
The first Tales was made by the team that became tri-Ace.  Most of the item names and functions are the same in the earlier games, but that's about it for similarity.

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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #935 on: April 22, 2012, 12:09:46 AM »
Tales and Star Ocean also share a number of similar location names, and spell names (Earth Glaive, Ice Needle come to mind), and similar skills like Demon Fang. And yeah, Namco's Wolf Team went on to become tri-Ace after ToP.

As for Seiken and Saga, I was thinking more along the lines of both series' similarities to FFs in the SNES era (so much so that their earliest entries were branded as FFs in the States). Bahamut Lagoon and Rudra no Hihou use some similar spell/item/monster names/sprites as well.

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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #936 on: April 22, 2012, 01:23:49 AM »
Bayonetta: The game that answers questions like "How are you alive in a vacuum?" with "Motorcycle."

Finished. This was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. Normally the over-the-top approach doesn't really reach me, but I can't help but admire the effort these guys put into being absurd. Seriously, I'm still laughing about some of the crazy shit that went down near the end of this game. I mean, there are plenty of games that culminate in the player killing a god. This is the only one I can think of where you punt God into the sun. And have to steer her around planets en route.

Jeanne fights I think were the highlight, even though the last one was infuriating. "Hi, I have four health bars and can hit you from anywhere on the map with missiles that have a narrow counter window you have to make four times and barely damage me even if you succeed. Also here have an instant death quick-time event. Or two." Jeanne why is your crotch glowing purple. You might want to ask a doctor about that.

Miscellaneous stuff:

-QTEs continue to be lame. I mean, for once I kind of understand why they're there--the developer wants to do something cinematic that wouldn't work in regular gameplay, but they don't want you just sitting there watching, right? I can tell that's how these guys were operating just because, well, see above spoiler text, Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun, etc. But in practice they're usually just an annoyance that throws me off.

-The novelty stages didn't really work. I appreciate that they want to break things up, but man, And Then Bayonetta was a Shmup isn't really the solution. Wouldn't have been such a bother if enemy projectiles weren't so easily obscured by enemy death explosions.

-Wasn't a regular occurrence, but the camera could be monstrously uncooperative at times. I died pretty quickly first attempt against the final boss just because I couldn't tell what the fuck was happening.

-I don't even know what to say about the fanserviceness of it all. It'd be easy to handwave it all as part of the general absurdity of the production, but when there are so many ass shots that even the Cid can only roll his eyes, well.

-I continue to fail miserably at this kind of gameplay. I mean, it's fun and all, but wow, I only got something other than the worst ranking on two chapters. Bronze on the giant sea rhino thing, gold on the penultimate boss--which was probably the only chapter where I had no deaths.

-Related to that latter note, apparently getting hit by a building doesn't hurt very much.

-Enemy design was pretty great. The gold and white angel theme is just a rather striking and unique look for videogame enemies. Then again, not may other games are built around deliberate angel genocide.

So yeah. There were some problems, but nothing more than the sort I encounter in damn near every 3D action game. It was fun, anyway.

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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #937 on: April 22, 2012, 01:55:45 AM »
Yeah, that pretty much all sounds about right, Cid.

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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #938 on: April 22, 2012, 01:59:02 AM »
For the record...

A. Almost no one likes the Space Harrier sequence.  Its a part of the game universally smashed and when Hideki Kamiya was asked by GI about how people thought it "took too long", he just responded "What? I personally loved it and think its perfect length!"  Yeah, its one of those "the developers loved something, but the players did not" moment, and yeah.

What irks me the most is Jeane 4, which IMO is the game's Highlight fight, is attached to that mission and you can't skip it.  So you have to spend like 10 minutes of boring Space Harrierness to go to probably the most fun fight in the game.  And no, its not Halo Grinding as an excuse for this; Darth Pope is in a mission by himself, and gives you MORE Halos as a boss bonus for beating him.

B. Bayonetta is suppose to kick your ass on your first playthrough, so you're not the only one.  I personally got a Gold on the Prologue Mission, a Silver on the 2nd, then most Stones from there on in with a scattered Bronze in there, until yeah, Pen-ultimate boss who gave me...Silver I think?  Can't remember.  You convert those bad mission on replays if you care!

DMC games really run off similar logic, though the ranking system isn't quite as strict if only because DMCs lack the Verse System which nets you a lot of points.


The rest of your review...yeah, pretty much.  You'll note my 2 points aren't even necessarily contradicting what you said even!
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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #939 on: April 22, 2012, 03:32:37 AM »
Ending every chapter with "You suck. I give you a E" is probably a bad design decision.

"Anyways, first run at Vritra with new levels, and I get murdered on the first Inferno Roar because of Sonic Wave -again-. Fenrir, are you sure that's 20%? I'm consistently getting at least one, usually two characters hit by it, and not just because of Cielo's weakness."

In my stat topics I tested status probability at the very least 20 times. Sonic Wave probably hit 4 times out of 20 then (not ever including Cielo).
Those numbers are decent but not super accurate or anything, I might have just gotten lucky.
Do you have a 0 luck Sera? Are you playing on hard?


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« Reply #940 on: April 22, 2012, 08:39:35 PM »
Super Mario Galaxy: Just beat Bowser Jr's first big robot thing.  Also got all the stars in the first area and went to Sweet Sweet Galaxy or whatever its called.

While I know its a load of wash, I can see why people would say Sonic Colors ripped off this game.  There's a lot of little superficial elements and the whole "SONIC IS TRYING TO BE MARIO!!!" thing...well, you get the point...

Sweet Mountain comes to mind given the area I just beat!

...the problem is that it assumes SMG was the first to use all these ideas, which is also just wrong, and the things SMG IS unique/original about are things Sonic Colors definitely didn't follow suit with, so the "Its copying!" idea is just a stupid claim.

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« Reply #941 on: April 23, 2012, 12:35:47 AM »
"Anyways, first run at Vritra with new levels, and I get murdered on the first Inferno Roar because of Sonic Wave -again-. Fenrir, are you sure that's 20%? I'm consistently getting at least one, usually two characters hit by it, and not just because of Cielo's weakness."

In my stat topics I tested status probability at the very least 20 times. Sonic Wave probably hit 4 times out of 20 then (not ever including Cielo).
Those numbers are decent but not super accurate or anything, I might have just gotten lucky.
Do you have a 0 luck Sera? Are you playing on hard?

Sera was about average at the time, I think - at least now, she's got near enough average stats (as does Serph - totally going the average Seraph route, even if it nerfs them, since it seems fairest interp.)
And nope, playing Normal. I mean, I did see some Sonic Waves that hit nobody, I guess, but it seemed like it was around 30% to me. It actually, oddly enough, hit Cielo less than it hit Sera, from memory, and I know my final run only ever had Gale hit by it. (Albeit hitting him every time it was used.)

Anyways, DDS2 DL-legal run: Stat testing for temps wooooo. I've already got the other two party members attacks done (turns out, Zio/Zandyne are still better in duels than Jupiter's Fury/Tempest) and I've covered all of the Hunt skills that Serph gets, for all that they're mostly going to be banned in duels, I guess, and are pretty terrible even if you do allow them, and I also got Attack/Counter/Makajam for him done. Started on Sera's Ice/Hunt skills, Serph's Ice/physical skills and working out how Quick Cure affects the status duration.

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« Reply #942 on: April 23, 2012, 04:01:04 AM »
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I did see some Sonic Waves that hit nobody, I guess, but it seemed like it was around 30% to me

Unless you tracked this with a large sample size and wrote the numbers down, you can't make a statement like this. The difference between 20% and 30% is something which is difficult to detect without fairly rigorous testing, and it's entirely possible that you were just unlucky. (It is of course possible that Fenrir was just lucky too.)

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« Reply #943 on: April 23, 2012, 04:26:02 AM »
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« Reply #944 on: April 23, 2012, 06:16:42 AM »
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I did see some Sonic Waves that hit nobody, I guess, but it seemed like it was around 30% to me

Unless you tracked this with a large sample size and wrote the numbers down, you can't make a statement like this. The difference between 20% and 30% is something which is difficult to detect without fairly rigorous testing, and it's entirely possible that you were just unlucky. (It is of course possible that Fenrir was just lucky too.)

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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #945 on: April 23, 2012, 01:50:08 PM »
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I don't know what to say about the game.  It's ridiculous all the way through, its concept is ridiculous, its names for items and status are ridiculous, and it's fun all the way through.  My only complaint?  It's too short.

Like, I started this yesterday and finished it today kind of short.

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« Reply #946 on: April 23, 2012, 03:41:29 PM »
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« Reply #947 on: April 23, 2012, 04:15:06 PM »
LFT- Just beat the execution site.  I have been using monsters this game, specifically trees. Whoof.  Tornado is freaking awesome early on, and isn't too hard to get (Trents). Sacreds, dragons, and ghouls are also excellent.  Humans are going to surpass monsters later for the most part (not least due to crazy speed twinking) but they feel competitive on the whole.

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I have a calculator. I'm just waiting to get access to more status immunity, so I can start bombing fights with don't move/slow. Calc is one of my favorite LFT classes, just has a ton of options due to the movement and skillset. Do you focus around the class's innate non charge and death bomb/summon things? Do you use math skill? Tons of cool paths. Also using a squire carrier, focusing on drawouts.  Plus a Mime.  I also have an equip armor bard who will be badass as soon as I can dig up a circlet.
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Re: What Games ya Playin' 2012 - Suplex a Train Edition
« Reply #948 on: April 23, 2012, 06:39:01 PM »
LFT as well!

Not doing anything particularly special, just wanted to replay the game again. Currently have Ramza as a Knight with Item, a Thief with Charge, a Monk with Charge (I think he's an Archer with Punch Art right now, but that's just because I wanted something better than Charge +2). He has Concentrate. Two mage girls are Time/Black and Summon/Item, trying to decide exactly what I want. :)
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« Reply #949 on: April 23, 2012, 08:37:08 PM »
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I did see some Sonic Waves that hit nobody, I guess, but it seemed like it was around 30% to me

Unless you tracked this with a large sample size and wrote the numbers down, you can't make a statement like this. The difference between 20% and 30% is something which is difficult to detect without fairly rigorous testing, and it's entirely possible that you were just unlucky. (It is of course possible that Fenrir was just lucky too.)
Well, I'd have probably said 40-50%, but 40% was after trying to account for Cielo's weakness, and 30% was the middle ground between my thoughts and Fenrir's results.
I did have a stupid number of runs against Vritra, but didn't keep any figures, unfortunately. (And, to be fair, I don't think Sonic Wave is exactly the sort of thing he'll be needing to be an extra 10-20% more accurate anyway.)