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Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« on: January 16, 2012, 04:10:14 AM »
Let's kick off the (old) new year with a brand new IotD topic. Our first one comes from politics.

News: http://www.ology.com/politics/ga-politician-supports-drug-testing-welfare-recipients-also-charged-dui/01152012

Views: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9B-ZoS0wvU Avenue Q puts it best.
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2012, 04:46:40 AM »
Our second one comes from politics, too.  Someone better do something dumb during, like, a store robbery or something soon.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/02/22/83337/disabled-abortion/?mobile=nc
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2012, 02:28:11 AM »
Ok, wow.  I retract my complaint that there are too many politics-related dumb people.  Maybe we need to post more about politics.
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2012, 09:18:33 AM »
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2012, 05:30:14 AM »
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/01/20/408488/fox-news-a-team-psychologist-being-married-three-times-could-make-gingrich-a-better-president/?mobile=nc#comment_link

URL says it all, really.  For sure, I don't think maritial infidelity is a sign of a *bad* leader, but it being a sign of a good leader?  That's a new one....   (Keith Ablow is the same guy who also is quite disapproving about homosexuality, from a strictly medical / psychological perspective of course, no moralizing here... right...  I wonder what he'd think about gays who've had 5 partners?!  http://mediamatters.org/research/201112190003 for more details on that)

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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2012, 05:07:33 PM »
(Keith Ablow is the same guy who also is quite disapproving about homosexuality, from a strictly medical / psychological perspective of course, no moralizing here... right...  I wonder what he'd think about gays who've had 5 partners?!  http://mediamatters.org/research/201112190003 for more details on that)

Hmm...let's see...

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It would be wrong to think that gender dysphoria cannot be kindled by celebrating those who have undergone sexual reassignment surgery. Human beings do model one another--in terms of emotion, thought and behavior.

He's not exactly wrong on this point.  There was a pretty good article sent out a while back about psychological conditions being exported.  How people experiencing western-like psychological symptoms didn't exist in Asia 20 years ago, but do exist today.  People will slot themselves under categorizations if you give them categorizations to read about.

Now, certainly there's some history that predates modern psychological definitions--there are Jazz musicians from the 20s that nobody realized had a vagina until after they were dead.  But a celebrity like Chaz Bono openly declaring his maleness after he was already well-known is something I do not think would have happened in the 1920s.  Most likely he would have been a sense of something wrong, but his frustrations would have been channeled a different way, or at least more privately.

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We wouldn't invite people with anorexia to go on fashion shows and talk about how wonderful they feel now that they're thinner and how they want more liposuction. This is an exact parallel.
Well, except anorexics would come on, we'd see them looking freakishly bony, and we'd ask "how do you feel", and they'd say "I'm so fat *cries*".  I don't think it would compel most people to do the same.  Anorexics generally aren't happy or healthy.  Chaz, on the other hand, is happy  and healthy.

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Ablow: J. Crew Ad Promotes "Psychological Sterilization." In an April 11 FoxNews.com column, Ablow criticized a J. Crew advertisement for depicting J. Crew president Jenna Lyons painting her son's toenails pink, writing:

Ok, I'm not going to quote Albow here, but actually look up more info on this:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/crew-ad-boy-painting-toenails-pink-stirs-transgender/story?id=13358903#.TxrmEG87WAh

The caption reads

"Lucky for me, I ended up with a boy whose favourite colour is pink.  Toenail painting is way more fun in neon."

And a quote from abc news:

"If the roles had been reversed, and that picture had been a little girl playing in the mud with trucks, nobody would have batted an eye."

And...yeah, that quote pretty much sums up my feelings on the subject.  IT'S A ****ING COLOUR.  There is nothing inherently female about pink other than the recent societal association.  In fact, less than 100 years ago the colours were reversed:

http://askville.amazon.com/Blue-boy-babies-pink-girls/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=10177156

With boys wearing pink, and girls wearing blue.  Seriously, pink literally doesn't mean anything.  If, a decade from now, the boy has a penchant for trying on bras, then ok, it might be time to take notice, but pink is literally just a meaningless colour.

And...if Albow's goal is to have fewer people wanting gender surgery...doesn't it make more sense to allow a little more liberty?  "You're a boy, therefore you're not allowed to like that." ---> "I don't want to be a boy anymore, this sucks."  Seriously, "reverse psychology" is something most kids I knew understood by the time they were 12 or so.  It's something you learn very quickly if you have ever interacted with a 5-year-old (telling them no makes them want it more).  Albow is supposed to be a psychologist.  (Although now I'm thinking he's just trolling).

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If this woman wants to paint her son's toenails pink, I guess we should have no objection to someone who's male modeling a sundress in their catalogue.

Umm...yes?  No more than you should object if a woman models cargo pants.

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Ablow: Lesbian Mom Trying To Project "Her Own Discomfort With Masculinity" Onto Her Son. In an October 26 column for FoxNews.com, Ablow responded to the news that J. Crew's Lyons had begun dating a woman by writing:

Wait, he's blaming the pink toenail thing on lesbianism?

 ::) Oh yes: because if there's one thing that lesbians LOOOOOVE, it's pink.   ::)  Can't get enough of that colour.  We all show up to lesbian events wearing pink princess-peach dresses while we play pool, arm wrestle, and ride motorcycles.   ::)

(Seriously, though, is Albow not even familiar with lesbian stereotypes?)
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2012, 04:56:38 PM »
Regarding the pink thing, I think the most condemning thing in my experience has been that pink does not have that sort of genderization.  My male students and plenty of male teachers wear pink all the time.  Like, bright neon, "wow you live in the castro district don't you" pink, too.  Though the people who don't recognize how pink being a "girl's color" is completely a construct probably wouldn't take too much from that example.

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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2012, 06:39:14 PM »
All that proves is that the plague of deviancy has already taken hold in Japan, and that we must police our own morality ever more vigilantly to prevent such vile perversion of colour and the resulting personality disorders from becoming entrenched here.

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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2012, 07:56:07 PM »
Regarding the pink thing, I think the most condemning thing in my experience has been that pink does not have that sort of genderization.  My male students and plenty of male teachers wear pink all the time.  Like, bright neon, "wow you live in the castro district don't you" pink, too.  Though the people who don't recognize how pink being a "girl's color" is completely a construct probably wouldn't take too much from that example.

Remember back when people didn't associate Red with Republican and Blue with Democrat?  The color-coding all started in the presidential race in '96 (or maybe it was '92) after TV networks decided to standardize their election maps.  Before then, if you said "Red state" people would probably think you were referring to a former Soviet republic.
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2012, 08:09:34 PM »
I thought it was 2000; they used to alternate which color was which party, but after everybody spent two months looking at the same map the associations were locked in.
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2012, 09:38:22 PM »
Regarding the pink thing, I think the most condemning thing in my experience has been that pink does not have that sort of genderization.  My male students and plenty of male teachers wear pink all the time.  Like, bright neon, "wow you live in the castro district don't you" pink, too.  Though the people who don't recognize how pink being a "girl's color" is completely a construct probably wouldn't take too much from that example.

That says absolutely nothing other than reaffirming that Japan is still stuck in 1986.

Colours have no gender.  Social constructs surrounding gender are amazingly fluid.  Social constructs surrounding gender are still amazingly stupid most of the time.  We all know this, but that won't stop others or ourselves from those terrible knee jerk reactions at times, which is unfortunate.
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2012, 05:33:10 AM »
I thought it was 2000; they used to alternate which color was which party, but after everybody spent two months looking at the same map the associations were locked in.

Could be; I'm just going from memory.  Point is, color associations can come up out of whole cloth.
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2012, 12:54:43 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ryq1v-cLHrk

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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2012, 11:20:00 PM »
My company is rebranding itself, and we're getting a brand new website to celebrate. As part of this relaunch, we're having a design company take us through the entire process.

After many long months, we finally have a logo! So now we can get down to the actual sample palettes and style tiles for the website, where they mock up what a page might look like.

The CEO/President of my company and the Marketing manager have some feedback. Here's my favorite part:

"Orange links seem too washed out, and overall, we feel like we’ve never seen links in a color other than blue in a website—is that true (mostly), and if so, won’t it be confusing?"

As a reminder, my company sells software, offers webinars, has a blog, a Facebook account, a Twitter account, and acknowledges its website to be the center of the business.

FACE. PALM.

(Bonus irony: The place where they posted this comment, Basecamp? Has grey links. Our current company website has company-teal links.)
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2012, 05:46:20 AM »
The next step up from pizza birthday parties

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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2012, 08:09:04 AM »
I don't know what informs more about you in that Rob.  That Pizza Hutt could haves saved your marriage or that something went so wrong with your engagement that it caused the divorce.

Both of which just adds to the aura of awesome.
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« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2012, 08:21:16 AM »
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2012, 03:40:05 PM »
There was a time when the Guinness World Records organization was fairly respectable.  That time is not now.

http://www.xbox360achievements.org/news/news-10809-CoD--Black-Ops-Voted-Best-Videogame-Ending-of-All-Time.html

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« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2012, 04:29:56 PM »
There was a time when the Guinness World Records organization was fairly respectable.  That time is not now.

http://www.xbox360achievements.org/news/news-10809-CoD--Black-Ops-Voted-Best-Videogame-Ending-of-All-Time.html

It was a fan poll. Those are uniformly awful.

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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2012, 06:15:45 PM »
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/290898/why-my-critics-are-wrong-michael-novak?pg=1

Michael Novak writes a horrid article defending Paterno and his child rape covering ways. He was promptly thrashed horribly by NRO comments. Not being merely content with the first verbal ass kicking, he tries *again* to defend Paterno.

It's a sad day when NRO commentators are not only in the right, but are completely embarrassing someone in a debate.
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2012, 11:57:18 PM »
I hope Paterno was in intractable pain when he died, and a doctor said he would inform his boss in the morning when he asked for painkillers.

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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2012, 12:00:01 AM »
His firing and the utter destruction of his reputation did more damage than any physical pain could. He deserved no better for his part in the Sandusky shit.
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