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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2012, 12:15:18 AM »
I think the only thing you can really say for Paterno is way, way too many people in his position (that is, coaches at top-shelf universities) would have done more or less the same thing.  Perhaps I'm wrong, but I really think it's a systemic, rather than personal, issue.

Still doesn't mean the public shaming was inappropriate.  He deserved it.
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2012, 07:59:53 AM »
Well, Paterno's crime was done for good reasons!  The best of reasons.  That are the path to hell.  Specifically...  loyalty.  It's good to be reminded that the many video games involving covering up or escaping apparent crimes by your buddies because "they couldn't possibly have done it" is in fact a really, really bad idea.  (Hell, look at the cabinet of one George W. Bush.  He was loyal!  He stood by his people and didn't fire them even when it should have been manifestly clear that they weren't cut out for the job.  Obviously not as dramatic as rape, but same basic instinct.)

It'd have been wonderful if Paterno had stood by Sandusky and defended him as a good man for...  other reasons...  but even if you believe the best, yeesh.

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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2012, 05:48:22 PM »
The estate of Edgar Rice Burroughs is suing the people who do John Carter of Mars comics for, among other things, featuring "nude and pornographic covers that feature the Warlord of Mars mark," which mean "ERB's extremely valuable reputation may be permanently damaged."

If you've ever read a John Carter book you don't need me to explain why this is the stupidest thing anyone has said since...well, I guess since Rick Santorum last opened his mouth. If you haven't, suffice to say that the actual ERB would have found this cover somewhat on the modest side.
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2012, 05:20:24 AM »
http://www.thelocal.se/38904/20120203/

Sweden, ladies and gentlemen. Posting patients personal information on your facebook page is not the work of geniuses.
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2012, 05:56:07 AM »
Two things:

1. Why does this deserve a "Sweden, ladies and gentlemen"? This type of thing could easily have happened in any country.

2. lol at the respondents in that thread saying the government is overreacting. It's not like they even fired the guy! And yes, this is a stupid thing to do and does violate patient confidentiality. Ultimately harmless in this case (hence the lack of real consequences), but still deserves a reprimand.

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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2012, 02:15:30 PM »
For the same reason that if it happened in Virginia, it'd deserve a 'USA/Virginia, ladies and gentlemen' comment.  It be stupid and I'm blaming the region for the stupid.

That and I also saw this article http://www.thelocal.se/39220/20120220/ but didn't post it. <_< What can I say, it was not a banner newsday in Sweden.  The comments on this article are IotY material, unsurprisingly.
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2012, 05:58:11 AM »

1. Why does this deserve a "Sweden, ladies and gentlemen"? This type of thing could easily have happened in any country.


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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #34 on: February 29, 2012, 03:23:57 PM »
The "journalist" writing that "article," of course.  Sharia law is not some other code with subsection 11.B3 that says "you must assault zombie Muhammads."  And whether such sacrilege is worthy / requires a beatdown is hardly something Islamic jurists would agree on, anyway.  (This issue has been poisoned in the last 10 years thanks to the Danish cartoons and irresponsible rhetoric, but traditionally, *Muslim law only applied to Muslims.*  Granted this has its own issues, since many states refuse to acknowledge conversions from Islam and will randomly mark people down as Muslim even if they're not, and it's still horrible that you can execute random Saudis for tweets, but it's at least vaguely sane - of course non-Muslims won't follow Muslim law, why would they, so they'd be exempt from sacrilege punishments.)

What the judge was getting at, I presume, was that it's possible to initiate a fight non-physically.  If I walk up to someone and start screaming and cursing and acting crazy, they still shouldn't strike first, but if they do it's more complicated than straight-up assault.  I'd want to know the details of what happened more - entirely possible the Muslim here was just thin-skinned and attacked first, which is bad, but I wouldn't trust that article to fill things in if the zombie atheist made any provoking remarks himself.

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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #35 on: February 29, 2012, 04:34:55 PM »
The "journalist" writing that "article," of course.

Certainly one of my strongest candidates.

But I mean...would you dress up as Zombie Mohammad, and wander down the streets yelling "I am the profit Mohammad risen from the dead, rarrrrrr".  That hardly seems smart either.

I can't blame the judge for throwing out the case--I watched the youtube video and couldn't tell what was going on either.  But if you follow the link to the source, the Judge goes on a pretty long rant about Islamic culture.  He could have let sleeping dogs lie, and said "yeah, can't tell what's happening in that video, next case", or been a little bit more general about it, like "First amendment rights don't absolve you of all responsibility for provoking people", rather than trying to paint a picture of highly religious Islamic culture to a known militant atheist--that'll convince him the error of his ways!

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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #36 on: February 29, 2012, 05:14:59 PM »
I think the judge would have been better off keeping his mouth shut - First Amendment rights DO absolve you of responsibility, legal responsibility anyway, for provoking people, unless you're trying to get that specific person to fight with you.  Unpopular political speech, even dumb stuff like this, is the very heart and soul of what the first amendment protects, and the judge by berating the victim, by telling him he has a duty where he has none, does not show proper deference to a crystal-clear constitutional rule.
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #37 on: February 29, 2012, 05:44:04 PM »
Quoth Rick Santorum:
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“The housing bubble was caused because of a dramatic spike in energy prices that caused the housing bubble to burst,” Santorum told an audience in Colorado.

Uh, dude?  It was 4 years ago.  We were there, or else we're 4-year-olds.  It wasn't energy prices.

This is arguably worse than Romney's assertion that if the US government hadn't bailed out the auto industry that they could have avoided bankruptcy by finding private financing.
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #38 on: February 29, 2012, 07:47:23 PM »
Well seeing as that's how Romney made his fortune, he's pretty well obligated to say that.

Santorum still hasn't topped that comment about Kennedy's religion speech making him throw up, though.
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #39 on: February 29, 2012, 08:32:14 PM »
The auto industry was simply too big for private investors to take a risk on - even aggressive, high risk/high reward ones like Bain.  Romney couldn't say what he was surely thinking: that normal bankruptcy would have been a more viable way forward for the auto industry.  Couldn't say that because it would have led to a massive loss of blue-collar jobs.

As for the Kennedy thing, it was a remarkably dumb thing to say, but at least it didn't involve Santorum lying through his teeth.
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #40 on: February 29, 2012, 09:03:39 PM »
Re that judge: Oh, of course, I agree about the 1st Amendment specifically protecting unpopular opinions, so he's probably wrong, just that once an article has gone over my quota for bullshit (the "judge implementing sharia law over American law" part), I find it hard to believe anything else in the article, thus would find it totally plausible the underlying facts were entirely different.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/pa-judges-dismissal-of-harassment-case-criticized-after-zombie-muhammad-posts-trial-audio/2012/02/28/gIQA5kUggR_story.html

Here's a better source.  And...  yeah, the judge was off base here, although not drastically so.  He should have been very clear that this was *stupid* but not illegal and that this "provocation" in no way excuses violence, but he's dismissing for other grounds, but he decided to give a little talking to to both sides, or something.  Meanwhile seems the judge is conducting business from a different courthouse to avoid protesters, which is scary in its own way.  Sigh.

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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #42 on: February 29, 2012, 09:51:19 PM »
It is, yeah.  and yes, the article-writer is all kinds of stupid.  I don't know that there are any kinds of stupid that writer isn't.
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #43 on: February 29, 2012, 10:07:56 PM »
I really shouldn't click on this topic when I want to cheer myself up. Ugh!
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #44 on: February 29, 2012, 11:39:42 PM »
http://penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/sexual-harassment-as-ethical-imperative-the-ugly-side-of-fighting-games

Fuck all of this.  Fuck all of this to the end of time.

Man, this is basically the entitlement discourse distilled to a tee. I hate mankind.
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #45 on: March 01, 2012, 01:02:52 AM »
I rather dislike the joke excuse. Devalues actual jokes. Just come out and say "I am trying to be offensive because I think it will put you at a disadvantage." Own up to your dickery.

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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #46 on: March 01, 2012, 01:11:32 AM »
I doubt it's all that calculated.  Dicks are dicks because they're dicks.  It may come out in weird, almost ritualistic ways, but as the bard said, "the dickery's the thing."
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #47 on: March 01, 2012, 05:54:32 AM »
http://penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/sexual-harassment-as-ethical-imperative-the-ugly-side-of-fighting-games

Fuck all of this.  Fuck all of this to the end of time.

Man, this is basically the entitlement discourse distilled to a tee. I hate mankind.

Yeah, seen it.  Articles like this come by about once a week when you subscribe to feminist game developer mailing lists.

http://www.destructoid.com/-wtf-is-with-empowered-women-in-video-games-now--219511.phtml?s=150
(This one reaches "torch humanity" levels).
http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/misc/22786_To_My_Someday_Daughter.html
(In some ways a positive article, guy realizing "wow, I've been a dick."  In other ways, I so would not show this to a woman I was trying to convince to participate in gaming because goddamn).
http://www.kotaku.com.au/2012/02/bioware-writer-describes-her-gaming-tastes-angry-gamers-call-her-a-cancer/
(She's actually really awesome over email, incidentally).
http://viewsfromthecouch.com/2012/02/12/you-didnt-thank-me-for-punching-you-in-the-fac/
(The stories that came out of this one were pretty horrifying.  Stuff like "and then the boys from school broke into my house, ransacked my room, and the Teacher just said 'to be fair, she intimidates the other students by being too smart.'")
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/39975/
(Now, if they actually follow through on their claims...)
http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-8-stupidest-defenses-against-accusations-sexism/
(Which contains the fantastic quote: "Being a straight male is tremendous fun and sexuality's lowest difficulty setting")

I've only been sharing 1 in 10 of these, because to some degree I assume that people don't want to be overflooded with feminist rants, and examples of over the top male privilege in gamer/internet communities.  (There's so much of it that it does get kind-of repetitive--I assume everyone in the DL is intelligent enough to know that it's out there and pretty common right?  Good).  But if people want more such articles, I can certainly oblige.  (The above selection mostly came in the past week or two, to give you an idea of the volume).
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #48 on: March 01, 2012, 06:08:33 AM »
I don't know if I do want more of them.  I love discourse about it happening because that is a good way to progress on the issue.

On the other hand fuck all of this.  Fuck all of this until the end of time.

Goddamn did that article piss me off and depress me.

Now I have a pile more to read :(
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2012: How do these people breathe?
« Reply #49 on: March 01, 2012, 03:46:15 PM »
I will say this much: when the news of this shit broke out in my local fighting game community here in RIchmond, a lot more people were upset about it and crying to improve the FGC and leave sexism behind[including me, of course.] than there weren't. It's all extremely horrible, but we don't need to keep it that way. See Gref about how exposure of this can bring light to an issue and get people to realize and strive for improvement. In a better world shit like this would never happen though ._.
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