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PG week 2 Middle
« on: August 18, 2012, 12:16:00 AM »
In:

Joshua: 24-7
Ursula: 14-9

Out:

Grand Master : 30-23


Lion- Cowardly or not, Lion packs enough of a punch to end up in Middle.
Red Mage- Dual cast spamming, status slinging badass seeks respect in Middle.
Lexis- Funky healer/buffer, wishes he had more direct damage though.

Lion (WoO) vs Angelo (DQ8)
Lion vs Kanji (Pers4)
Lion vs Ephraim (FE8)
Lion vs Sceptile (PKMN)
Lion vs Halley (SH1)
Lion vs Albel (SO3)
Lion vs Yang (FF4)
Lion vs Stocke (RH)
Lion vs Amarant (FF9)
Lion vs White Rose (Saga)
Lion vs Yulie (WA4)
Lion vs Nelis (S5)

Red Mage (FF5 vs Angelo (DQ8)
Red Mage vs Kanji (Pers4)
Red Mage vs Ephraim (FE8)
Red Mage vs Sceptile (PKMN)
Red Mage vs Halley (SH1)
Red Mage vs Albel (SO3)
Red Mage vs Yang (FF4)
Red Mage vs Stocke (RH)
Red Mage vs Amarant (FF9)
Red Mage vs White Rose (Saga)
Red Mage vs Yulie (WA4)
Red Mage vs Nelis (S5)

Lexis (Lufia 2) vs Angelo (DQ8)
Lexis vs Kanji (Pers4)
Lexis vs Ephraim (FE8)
Lexis vs Sceptile (PKMN)
Lexis vs Halley (SH1)
Lexis vs Albel (SO3)
Lexis vs Yang (FF4)
Lexis vs Stocke (RH)
Lexis vs Amarant (FF9)
Lexis vs White Rose (Saga)
Lexis vs Yulie (WA4)
Lexis vs Nelis (S5)
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Re: PG week 2 Middle
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2012, 01:18:25 AM »
Red Mage (FF5 vs Angelo (DQ8)- Bounce.
Red Mage vs Kanji (Pers4)- Mini.
Red Mage vs Ephraim (FE8)- Mini. I don't think Eph manages the OHKO here, at least.
Red Mage vs Sceptile (PKMN)- Status.
Red Mage vs Halley (SH1)- Sleep.
Red Mage vs Albel (SO3)- Blocks confuse, mauls.
Red Mage vs Yang (FF4)- Status. RM's awful durability means that Yang will kill before he wakes up.
Red Mage vs Amarant (FF9)
Red Mage vs White Rose (Saga)- Faster and immunes most of RM's status. This feels righ5t.
Red Mage vs Yulie (WA4)- Status.
Red Mage vs Nelis (S5)- OHKO.

Lexis (Lufia 2) vs Angelo (DQ8)- Status.
Lexis vs Kanji (Pers4)- Bravery, heal, outlast.
Lexis vs Ephraim (FE8)- Avoid a OHKO, stun shocker.
Lexis vs Sceptile (PKMN)- Sceptile avoids a OHKO.
Lexis vs Halley (SH1)- Runs Halley out of SP.
Lexis vs Albel (SO3)- Aura Wall.
Lexis vs Yang (FF4)- Too much status offhand.
Lexis vsAmarant (FF9)- Countdown. Fuck off Amarant.
Lexis vs White Rose (Saga)- Status.
Lexis vs Yulie (WA4)- Don't think Yulie can effectively healer bust.
Lexis vs Nelis (S5)-  Avoids the OHKO by a hair.


Red Mage: 7-4
Lexis: 5-6
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Re: PG week 2 Middle
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2012, 06:29:56 AM »
Lion (WoO) vs Angelo (DQ8) - Lion is terrible against healers faster than him. Angelo having myriad status to screw with just further drives the point home.
Lion vs Kanji (Pers4) - Lion is -considerably- faster first turn, which means Wild Cry sees healthy usage (Kanji likely can't even lap afterwards). Open with that, apply D-Formation, Half-life and now Kanji can't possibly hope to outslug. Lion could try for another Wild Cry if he wanted, but that's total overkill. Gravity damage is a good way to handle Tatsumi, come to think of it.
Lion vs Ephraim (FE8) - lion dash against eph evade and 2HKO counters that might double aw yeah
Lion vs Sceptile (PKMN) - This is really weird. Scepty has an easy 3-2, but Lion two-rounds and Alert makes him a pain in the ass. Just... Sceptile nearly 2HKOs off the bat, and Lion's RNG races against him just as well, particularly with Sceptile's headstart. Lion can't go for two Half-lifes in a row and Giga Drain can screw over the chipping, and the turnsplit is pretty fierce to boot. My kneejerk is Scepty only needs the dice games to go his way once, while Lion... struggles considerably more. So, it hinges on whether I see Elements picking up Grass, which would tilt the fight pretty decisively against Scept (it would turn his offense and draining suck complete ass, which gives Lion a whole lot more time to work with). Do I? Good question. EDIT: Yet I suspect that, even if it -does-, Sceptile has okay odds to win, while he's sorta coasting eventually otherwise. Yeah, going with the poké.
Lion vs Halley (SH1) - More weirdness! Halley's status is... likely turn three before Alert? But it 4HKOs Lion at best, and that's before Elements+Alert kick in. However, Lion has to reapply those every three turns (Elements being -expensive-), and in order to pressure Halley, he needs to apply Half-life at least once a round to boot. I honestly doubt Lion can keep the resources up for this long (he needs to hold out at least until Halley runs out of sanity), since Halley -will- get more than one unbuffed shot in the middle of the fight, and then, he -does- have a small chance of winning the fight before Lion can even get going. Yeah, going with that. Lion's matches are just so full of RNG minutiae when they're not over in a couple rounds.
Lion vs Albel (SO3) - Aura Wall makes Lion cry himself to sleep.
Lion vs Yang (FF4) - So does Sleep.
Lion vs Stocke (RH) - Stocke goes first and 3HKOs at base! But Lion gets Alert+Elements going in a hurry and now Stocke damage fails too much. Gravity should also work at keeping Stocke under pressure to boot, and his healing just isn't good enough. Halley could make do even with the lower damage and durability due to having full healing and status attached. No such luck for the agent.
Lion vs Amarant (FF9) - D-Formation => Half-life spam should work.
Lion vs White Rose (Saga) - White Rose opens with LightSword. Lion then does his best impression of Diekbeck's physical game by aiming at the broad side of a barn and ramming into a sword.
Lion vs Yulie (WA4) - Yulie gets one-rounded by two high-variance Lion Dashes and she has the perfect stats for it to be viable... but she's faster and Protect staves off the one-round decisively. After Protect, even Half-life+high-variance Lion Dash can't do it, so she calmly outlasts him.
Lion vs Nelis (S5) - Nelis shaves off nearly all of Lion's health in a single Final Flame. He just can't recover from that.

Red Mage (FF5 vs Angelo (DQ8) - Faster, lolbounce, lolstatus.
Red Mage vs Kanji (Pers4) - Faster, lolstatus.
Red Mage vs Ephraim (FE8) - EDIT: overrated the evade some. Oh well.
Red Mage vs Sceptile (PKMN) - EDIT: Right. Come to think of it, Berserk -would- have won it against Yulie too.
Red Mage vs Halley (SH1) - lolstatus.
Red Mage vs Albel (SO3) - lolstatus+confuse immunity.
Red Mage vs Yang (FF4) - EDIT: Eh, if I allowed Yellow Scarves, guess Hermes Shoes aren't so bad either. Just smacking the "Auto-Haste into averages" thing at worst.
Red Mage vs Stocke (RH) - Stocke kinda sucks. :middle:
Red Mage vs Amarant (FF9) - lolstatus.
Red Mage vs White Rose (Saga) - Honestly? I just think Red Mage lives long enough to land Silence and outpace... eventually. WR has a shot of winning through coup du grace, but dualcast healing can put a wrench on that strategy. So it goes.
Red Mage vs Yulie (WA4) - lolmagicalstatus vs. Yulie.
Red Mage vs Nelis (S5) - lolmagicalstatus vs. S5 high-end mage. Nelis just 2HKOs.

Lexis (Lufia 2) vs Angelo (DQ8) - Lexis and status, always a winning proposition.
Lexis vs Kanji (Pers4) - Kanji gives Lexis so much time to work with the IP status.
Lexis vs Ephraim (FE8) - Even if I don't see Eph doubling, he has plenty of damage control to 2HKO with.
Lexis vs Sceptile (PKMN) - Speed split burns.
Lexis vs Halley (SH1) - Block paralysis, go to town with his own shoddy status. Sleep is annoying, but my kneejerk on Lexis vs. status is just too strong.
Lexis vs Albel (SO3) - Aura Wall+paralysis blocker.
Lexis vs Yang (FF4) - Sleep spam.
Lexis vs Stocke (RH) - See Random. This match kinda fails like a Onix vs. Chansey Holiday Special.
Lexis vs Amarant (FF9) - COUNTDOWN AND CHAKRA SPAM WINNING AMARANT A MIDDLE MATCH
Lexis vs White Rose (Saga) - White Rose casts LightSword and dicks around until a double to 2HKO Lexis' ass. She probably just spams Fascination to troll Lexis further if she wants.
Lexis vs Yulie (WA4) - Yulie and pressure, pick one.
Lexis vs Nelis (S5) - She OHKOs to me and is faster. The end.

Lion - 3-9 (Fairly strong pool that nicely highlights Lion's problems. Almost all his matches required a non-trivial amount of thought, too, which does play into why I consider him a fun Middle, even if he's underwhelming where you wouldn't assume him to be)
Red Mage - 9-3 (Holy crap the status whoring is -mean-. She's probably closer to Heavy than Middle)
Lexis - 2-10 (Once again, strong pool. Once again, nicely highlighting Lexis' issues. He wishes I allowed a half-full IP bar and I wasn't closer to Elfboy's interp of temps than Random's/super's)
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Re: PG week 2 Middle
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2012, 07:03:57 PM »
FF5 Red Mage can't equip shields, Snow. No Berserk either, although it shouldn't matter much with all the status options RM gets.

Lion vs Ephraim (FE8) - Lion is completely boned against evasive PCs with strong physical damage.
Lion vs Sceptile (PKMN) - Does Elements hit Grass? Man, really not sure, and that probably swings this match.
Lion vs Yang (FF4)
Lion vs White Rose (Saga) - WR has serious trouble damaging Lion after Elements/Alert go up, but it doesn't matter at all. His damage against LightSword evade might well be even worse, while WR has cheap healing.

Red Mage vs Ephraim (FE8) - Think he's got enough evade to take this.
Red Mage vs Sceptile (PKMN) - Sleep should be turn 1 against Sceptile and only needs to hit once to win the match.
Red Mage vs Yang (FF4) - Is there any storebought sleepblocker in FF5 *checks* Uh... Hermes Shoes, if allowed. Which I definately don't.
Red Mage vs White Rose (Saga) - I might reconsider this if Saga Frontier Psy is demonstrated somewhere to have a major impact on status rates. Otherwise RM equips Diamond Plate to halve Lightning and should have far better status rates with doublecast Toad than WR does with random coup de grace on her physical.

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Re: PG week 2 Middle
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2012, 07:15:13 PM »
White Rose's only lightning damage is fire/ice/lightning, which means halving lightning only does anything if you also halve fire and ice.

I definitely think Hermes Sandals should be legal, since they're storebought and frankly what you equip in FF5 anyway endgame. You can throw out the Auto-Haste if you want (dunno if I do... all it affects is "can PCs cast Haste spells on themselves" since of course the boosted speed goes into the average) but at the very least it seems silly to penalise the cast away from a legal statusblocker just because it has another awesome effect. I'm much more likely to laugh at all the non-Hermes Sandals accessory statusblockers (i.e. Angel Rings) because halving your speed makes them awful options in-game.

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Re: PG week 2 Middle
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2012, 08:00:34 PM »
White Rose's only lightning damage is fire/ice/lightning, which means halving lightning only does anything if you also halve fire and ice.

Well, Lion's elemental spell -does- cover all three, I think... It picks up all elemental damage in-game (some magical damage isn't considered as such, like Oz's Sonic Wave or Ju Kaku's Light Pillar! But yeah). EDIT: RIGHT it's about Red Mage. Nvm
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Re: PG week 2 Middle
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2012, 08:57:09 PM »
Lion vs Ephraim (FE8) - Lion loathes those who have counters and evasion.
Lion vs Sceptile (PKMN) - I'll bite.
Lion vs Yang (FF4) - Lion also loathes physical status.
Lion vs Stocke (RH) - sup unevasive mage with elemental magic
Lion vs Amarant (FF9) - Sure.
Lion vs White Rose (Saga) - Lion against evasion.
Lion vs Yulie (WA4) - Oh wow.

Red Mage vs Ephraim (FE8) - Eph evasion is so not getting Red Mage status below turn 1.
Red Mage vs Sceptile (PKMN) - Status
Red Mage vs Yang (FF4) - I suppose I don't have a problem with Hermes Sandals, no.
Red Mage vs Stocke (RH) - Frog.
Red Mage vs Amarant (FF9) - Status
Red Mage vs White Rose (Saga) - Doublecast dictates that RM should win the status war.
Red Mage vs Yulie (WA4) - Maybe if MDef did anything to Red Mage's status rates.

Lexis vs Ephraim (FE8) - Eph evade does fend off turn one Stun Shocker to me though.  Eph goes for a crit strategy if Lexis tries to stall.
Lexis vs Sceptile (PKMN) - Stun Shocker, Fireball x2?  Lexis fries without starting IP though.
Lexis vs Yang (FF4) - Yep.
Lexis vs Stocke (RH) - This match kind of fails without letting Stocke turnswap.  Paralysis and Sleep are out, Confusion doesn't do enough by itself, and Lexis initial pressure fails badly enough that I doubt he gets past Stocke's scrubby healing, and go on for long enough that Stocke sees Dead Fencer without Lexis seeing something nasty of his own (for all of Stocke's faults in the DL, he *does* have damage control).  I do allow turnswapping though and even going full tilt for MDef Lexis is 2HKO'd by G-Fire.
Lexis vs Amarant (FF9) - Countdown isn't even turn 1.  Apply Stun Shocker, smack with physicals the rest of the way.
Lexis vs White Rose (Saga) - Evasion says no to turn 1 stun shocker hype.
Lexis vs Yulie (WA4) - Of all the status WA4 didn't carry over, it was Paralysis.

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Re: PG week 2 Middle
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2012, 09:51:20 PM »
Random: WA4 MDef affects status rates if it isn't a hex status.
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Re: PG week 2 Middle
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2012, 10:16:44 PM »
Could've fooled me.  On the other hand RM's status checks only MEvade unless I am absolutely crazy so it is completely an interp call anyways (although I'd note if you forced it to check Yulie's MDef the same should probably be done with Eph <_<).

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Re: PG week 2 Middle
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2012, 10:17:57 PM »
I do! I just probably overrated Eph's evade, will change my vote. Also, FF5 checks MEvade and not MDef, but Shell also halves status rates. Make of that what you will.
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Re: PG week 2 Middle
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2012, 10:23:55 PM »
FF5 Shell is completely irrelevent to stats as far as I'm aware so it wouldn't change much to me!  I guess one may be able to argue WA4 Protect affecting it on those grounds but if you let Yulie's MDef affect RM's status it so doesn't matter.

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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2012, 10:30:37 PM »
It's mostly a view-muddling thing, since Shell affects even pseudo-ITD like Flare. But I'm one of those people who are hardasses on status against checks (THERE'S NO RESISTANCE LEVELS ON OTHER CASTS WOOHOO DRAGON QUEST STATUS IS OVERPOWERED AW YEAH - no).
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Re: PG week 2 Middle
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2012, 04:06:40 AM »
Vote stealing with changes.

Lion (WoO) vs Angelo (DQ8) - Lion is terrible against healers faster than him. Angelo having myriad status to screw with just further drives the point home.
Lion vs Kanji (Pers4) - Lion is -considerably- faster first turn, which means Wild Cry sees healthy usage (Kanji likely can't even lap afterwards). Open with that, apply D-Formation, Half-life and now Kanji can't possibly hope to outslug. Lion could try for another Wild Cry if he wanted, but that's total overkill. Gravity damage is a good way to handle Tatsumi, come to think of it.
Lion vs Ephraim (FE8) - lion dash against eph evade and 2HKO counters that might double aw yeah
Lion vs Sceptile (PKMN) - This is really weird. Scepty has an easy 3-2, but Lion two-rounds and Alert makes him a pain in the ass. Just... Sceptile nearly 2HKOs off the bat, and Lion's RNG races against him just as well, particularly with Sceptile's headstart. Lion can't go for two Half-lifes in a row and Giga Drain can screw over the chipping, and the turnsplit is pretty fierce to boot. My kneejerk is Scepty only needs the dice games to go his way once, while Lion... struggles considerably more. So, it hinges on whether I see Elements picking up Grass, which would tilt the fight pretty decisively against Scept (it would turn his offense and draining suck complete ass, which gives Lion a whole lot more time to work with). Do I? Good question. EDIT: Yet I suspect that, even if it -does-, Sceptile has okay odds to win, while he's sorta coasting eventually otherwise. Yeah, going with the poké.
Lion vs Halley (SH1) - More weirdness! Halley's status is... likely turn three before Alert? But it 4HKOs Lion at best, and that's before Elements+Alert kick in. However, Lion has to reapply those every three turns (Elements being -expensive-), and in order to pressure Halley, he needs to apply Half-life at least once a round to boot. I honestly doubt Lion can keep the resources up for this long (he needs to hold out at least until Halley runs out of sanity), since Halley -will- get more than one unbuffed shot in the middle of the fight, and then, he -does- have a small chance of winning the fight before Lion can even get going. Yeah, going with that. Lion's matches are just so full of RNG minutiae when they're not over in a couple rounds.
Lion vs Albel (SO3) - Aura Wall makes Lion cry himself to sleep.
Lion vs Yang (FF4) - So does Sleep.
Lion vs Stocke (RH) - Pushes Lion to the back, out heals from there.
Lion vs Amarant (FF9) - D-Formation => Half-life spam should work.
Lion vs White Rose (Saga) - White Rose opens with LightSword. Lion then does his best impression of Diekbeck's physical game by aiming at the broad side of a barn and ramming into a sword.
Lion vs Yulie (WA4) - Yulie gets one-rounded by two high-variance Lion Dashes and she has the perfect stats for it to be viable... but she's faster and Protect staves off the one-round decisively. After Protect, even Half-life+high-variance Lion Dash can't do it, so she calmly outlasts him.
Lion vs Nelis (S5) - Nelis shaves off nearly all of Lion's health in a single Final Flame. He just can't recover from that.

Red Mage (FF5 vs Angelo (DQ8) - Faster, lolbounce, lolstatus.
Red Mage vs Kanji (Pers4) - Faster, lolstatus.
Red Mage vs Ephraim (FE8) - EDIT: overrated the evade some. Oh well.
Red Mage vs Sceptile (PKMN) - EDIT: Right. Come to think of it, Berserk -would- have won it against Yulie too.
Red Mage vs Halley (SH1) - lolstatus.
Red Mage vs Albel (SO3) - lolstatus+confuse immunity.
Red Mage vs Yang (FF4) - EDIT: Eh, if I allowed Yellow Scarves, guess Hermes Shoes aren't so bad either. Just smacking the "Auto-Haste into averages" thing at worst.
Red Mage vs Stocke (RH) - I allow the status shaving accessories at the cost of other core stats.
Red Mage vs Amarant (FF9) - lolstatus.
Red Mage vs White Rose (Saga) - Honestly? I just think Red Mage lives long enough to land Silence and outpace... eventually. WR has a shot of winning through coup du grace, but dualcast healing can put a wrench on that strategy. So it goes.
Red Mage vs Yulie (WA4) - lolmagicalstatus vs. Yulie.
Red Mage vs Nelis (S5) - lolmagicalstatus vs. S5 high-end mage. Nelis just 2HKOs.

Lexis (Lufia 2) vs Angelo (DQ8) - Lexis and status, always a winning proposition.
Lexis vs Kanji (Pers4) - Kanji gives Lexis so much time to work with the IP status.
Lexis vs Ephraim (FE8) -
Lexis vs Sceptile (PKMN) - Speed split burns.
Lexis vs Halley (SH1) - Block paralysis, go to town with his own shoddy status. Sleep is annoying, but my kneejerk on Lexis vs. status is just too strong.
Lexis vs Albel (SO3) - Aura Wall+paralysis blocker.
Lexis vs Yang (FF4) - Sleep spam.
Lexis vs Stocke (RH) - See Random. This match kinda fails like a Onix vs. Chansey Holiday Special.
Lexis vs Amarant (FF9) - COUNTDOWN AND CHAKRA SPAM WINNING AMARANT A MIDDLE MATCH
Lexis vs White Rose (Saga) - White Rose casts LightSword and dicks around until a double to 2HKO Lexis' ass. She probably just spams Fascination to troll Lexis further if she wants.
Lexis vs Yulie (WA4) - Yulie and pressure, pick one.
Lexis vs Nelis (S5) -

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Re: PG week 2 Middle
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2012, 04:53:23 AM »
Lion (WoO) vs Angelo (DQ8): Thwack.
Lion vs Ephraim (FE8): Oh god what is Ephraim doing here, the poor Middles. Probably hits weakness, doesn't have to anyway.
Lion vs Sceptile (PKMN): Alert is the only thing that lets Lion see turn 2. So Alert, Half Life, Lion Dash x 2? That would kill, except once hurt Sceptile can use Giga Drain, and one hit lets him survive, and then nothing Lion can do scares him and he kills immediately after.
Lion vs Halley (SH1): The only way Lion wins is to heal-lock Halley until he runs out of Sanity. Unfortunately a heal-lock requires Half-Life and may miss, and he needs to waste turn with D-Formation + Alert or Halley just blitzes him out fast. Half-Life missing and Halley getting in at least one double give the kid the extra turns he needs, though.
Lion vs Albel (SO3): I dunno if Lion can handle Aura Wall or Vampire Flash, really.
Lion vs Yang (FF4): Yang's sleep is turn 2 in 4o, so Lion gets time for D-Formation and Half-Life. He then goes to sleep for a bit but he's really tanky during that time (probably 9-10HKOed), so he'll wake up and do Lion Dash + D-Formation again. May go to sleep again (not sure), but still he'll survive, and finally finish the job upon waking.
Lion vs Stocke (RH): Sure his defences buy him time and he can probably overwhelm.
Lion vs Amarant (FF9): D-Formation, Half Life, kill? Not sure what Amarant can do to stop this. I guess you could convince me Doom is turn 2 then stall, but if Lion sees him trying that he just goes for a blitz.
Lion vs White Rose (Saga): Open with Megawindblast before Lion can get set up, hit with MysticSword which is now near-100% ID.
Lion vs Yulie (WA4): Outlasts, yeah.
Lion vs Nelis (S5): Um ow. Only D-Formation + Alert gives Lion a shot at living to turn 2, and no offence means that ain't working.

Red Mage (FF5 vs Angelo (DQ8): Bounce.
Red Mage vs Ephraim (FE8): I think sleep is -barely- action 2 (i.e. turn 1) against Eph to me. This in turn gives RM time to land Toad, which lets her win (sleep by itself doesn't, and mini might give Eph near-perfect evade).
Red Mage vs Sceptile (PKMN): Two shots of sleep: it's what's for dinner.
Red Mage vs Halley (SH1): As usual.
Red Mage vs Albel (SO3): Lamia's Tiara to the rescue.
Red Mage vs Yang (FF4): Her status is turn 1, Yang's isn't... and is immuned anyway!
Red Mage vs Stocke (RH): Ribbit.
Red Mage vs Amarant (FF9): More status.
Red Mage vs White Rose (Saga): Nothing too special about White Rose's status defence.
Red Mage vs Yulie (WA4): I also buy Yulie avoiding one turn of RM status noise. But after Protect she still has to avoid 2-3 more, and the combined odds are too much.
Red Mage vs Nelis (S5): Yeah, okay, Nelis can half the odds of sleep (making toad the most accurate game-winner) and I'm sure her Magic/MDef takes care of the rest. She obviously easily 2HKOs

Lexis (Lufia 2) vs Angelo (DQ8): Bounce, status, whatever.
Lexis vs Ephraim (FE8): Eph can chip around Stun Shocker easily enough.
Lexis vs Sceptile (PKMN): Should handle this? Has a 2HKO which doesn't quite trigger the more dangerous Lexis IPs.
Lexis vs Halley (SH1): Should land petrify eventually.
Lexis vs Albel (SO3): Yeah.
Lexis vs Yang (FF4): Don't really see Yang beating healers very often.
Lexis vs Stocke (RH): Wins on a doubleturn, I think? Unless they both stall in which case, see Random.
Lexis vs Amarant (FF9): Countdown is turn 3, though definitely Amarant's best hope. But Lexis still gets at least four turns that way, and that's too many.
Lexis vs White Rose (Saga): Light Sword then await victory via doubleturn. Glass Shield or Fascination can force those doubleturns to happen.
Lexis vs Yulie (WA4): Sure.
Lexis vs Nelis (S5): Yeah, that's a OHKO.

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Re: PG week 2 Middle
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2012, 01:05:43 AM »
Lion (WoO) vs Angelo (DQ8)
Lion vs Kanji (Pers4)
Lion vs Ephraim (FE8)
Lion vs Sceptile (PKMN)
Lion vs Halley (SH1)
Lion vs Albel (SO3)
Lion vs Yang (FF4)
Lion vs Stocke (RH)
Lion vs Amarant (FF9)
Lion vs White Rose (Saga)
Lion vs Yulie (WA4)
Lion vs Nelis (S5)

Red Mage (FF5 vs Angelo (DQ8)
Red Mage vs Kanji (Pers4)
Red Mage vs Ephraim (FE8)
Red Mage vs Sceptile (PKMN)
Red Mage vs Halley (SH1)
Red Mage vs Albel (SO3)
Red Mage vs Yang (FF4)
Red Mage vs Stocke (RH)
Red Mage vs Amarant (FF9)
Red Mage vs White Rose (Saga)
Red Mage vs Yulie (WA4)
Red Mage vs Nelis (S5)

Lexis (Lufia 2) vs Angelo (DQ8): Stun Shocker.
Lexis vs Kanji (Pers4)
Lexis vs Ephraim (FE8)
Lexis vs Sceptile (PKMN)
Lexis vs Halley (SH1)
Lexis vs Albel (SO3)
Lexis vs Yang (FF4)
Lexis vs Stocke (RH): Switch->Smash
Lexis vs Amarant (FF9)
Lexis vs White Rose (Saga): Not sure about Stun Shocker here.
Lexis vs Yulie (WA4): Can't she use Sacrifice to win in some way... Edit: No, guess not. Whatever works for Lexis then!
Lexis vs Nelis (S5)
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Re: PG week 2 Middle
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2012, 01:29:13 AM »
Sacrifice just isn't that good. Doesn't even 2HKO average, and Lexis is kinda low-maintenance on IPs. Worse, he can just respond to her chipping - which she -has- to do - with healing, IPs are good limit gauges for stallers.
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Re: PG week 2 Middle
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2012, 06:28:31 PM »
Lion (WoO) vs Angelo (DQ8)
Lion vs Kanji (Pers4)- Gravity is a harsh mistress for Persona physical fighters.
Lion vs Ephraim (FE8)
Lion vs Sceptile (PKMN)
Lion vs Halley (SH1)
Lion vs Albel (SO3)
Lion vs Yang (FF4)
Lion vs Stocke (RH)
Lion vs Amarant (FF9)
Lion vs White Rose (Saga)
Lion vs Yulie (WA4)
Lion vs Nelis (S5)

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