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PG week 3 Heavy
« on: August 29, 2012, 03:25:06 AM »
IN:

Dorothy: 44-12
Artea: 32-35

OUT:

Hunter: 19-40

Darkrai- One of strongest pokemon from Gen 4. Should be able to hang in an evil heavy field.
PC Mei-Ling- Lots of tricks, lots of offense. Another Saga human who pushes high heavy.
Geddoe- Doesn't believe in 'variety'. He fries your ass with Hammer of Raijin.
 
Darkrai (PKMN) vs Psaro (DQ4)
Darkrai vs Rashidi (OB)
Darkrai vs Cyril (SO2)
Darkrai vs Edge (FF4)
Darkrai vs Ryu (BoF1)
Darkrai vs Seed (S2)
Darkrai vs Samurai (FF5)
Darkrai vs Saki (SH2)
Darkrai vs Vanille (FF13)
Darkrai vs Dycedarg (FFT)
Darkrai vs Rose (LoD)   
Darkrai vs Zera (G2)

Geddoe (S3) vs Psaro (DQ4)
Geddoe vs Rashidi (OB)
Geddoe vs Cyril (SO2)
Geddoe vs Edge (FF4)
Geddoe vs Ryu (BoF1)
Geddoe vs Seed (S2)
Geddoe vs Samurai (FF5)
Geddoe vs Saki (SH2)
Geddoe vs Vanille (FF13)
Geddoe vs Dycedarg (FFT)
Geddoe vs Rose (LoD)   
Geddoe vs Zera (G2)

Mei-ling (Saga) vs Psaro (DQ4)
Mei-ling vs Rashidi (OB)
Mei-ling vs Cyril (SO2)
Mei-ling vs Edge (FF4)
Mei-ling vs Ryu (BoF1)
Mei-ling vs Seed (S2)
Mei-ling vs Samurai (FF5)
Mei-ling vs Saki (SH2)
Mei-ling vs Vanille (FF13)
Mei-ling vs Dycedarg (FFT)
Mei-ling vs Rose (LoD)   
Mei-ling vs Zera (G2)
« Last Edit: August 29, 2012, 03:54:43 AM by superaielman »
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Re: PG week 3 Heavy
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2012, 06:18:46 AM »
Geddoe vs Rashidi (OB)- Rashidi
Geddoe vs Cyril (SO2)- Cyril
Geddoe vs Edge (FF4)- Edge. Cuts Geddoe best by 70%. Geddoe blocks the Sleep, but Edge should 3HKO first.
Geddoe vs Ryu (BoF1)- Geddoe
Geddoe vs Seed (S2)- Geddoe. Ugh. Seed needs at least 4 attacks, but I'm not sure Geddoe 2HKOs...with his physical physical. But then I am saved because Soaring Bolt will go before Seed's attacks and that+physical will do it.
Geddoe vs Samurai (FF5)- Samurai. Initiative ID
Geddoe vs Saki (SH2)- Geddoe. HP/Evasion let him take an EC-ed physical, and then can unleash 2 spells
Geddoe vs Vanille (FF13)- Geddoe. Just gut reacting this though
Geddoe vs Dycedarg (FFT)- I guess this is 50%/50% on the evading, but Dyce may need HoR to die and may get status turn 1 so...Dyce.
Geddoe vs Rose (LoD)- Rose. Starts with SP, just outraces HoR to me. ID
Geddoe vs Zera (G2)- ZERA. I was going to say Geddoe, but he doesn't block Paralysis and Zera is faster than HoR.

Mei-ling vs Rashidi (OB)- Ugh, having to consider whether Rashidi is OHKOed. Signs point to yes. Mei-ling.
Mei-ling vs Cyril (SO2)- Cyril. 2HKOs regardless, she doesn't to me (not for Cyril certainly)
Mei-ling vs Edge (FF4)- Mei-Ling. Initiative buff to keep the Sleep rate down.
Mei-ling vs Ryu (BoF1)- Ryu? Unsure here, but better damage and awesome Pdur.
Mei-ling vs Seed (S2)- Mei-Ling
Mei-ling vs Samurai (FF5)- Mei-Ling. Blocks ID
Mei-ling vs Saki (SH2)- Saki. Silence and needs 3 attacks to be killed to me
Mei-ling vs Vanille (FF13)- Abstain
Mei-ling vs Dycedarg (FFT)- Mei-Lign
Mei-ling vs Rose (LoD)- Mei-Ling. Blocks ID.
Mei-ling vs Zera (G2)- Zera. Paralysis should work here.

Mei-Ling 6-4
Geddoe 4-7 (Envies that ID protection at the least)
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Re: PG week 3 Heavy
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2012, 03:56:17 PM »
LightSword is -initiative-. Edge's not going to be faster than it.
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Re: PG week 3 Heavy
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2012, 05:19:40 PM »
Geddoe (S3) vs Psaro (DQ4)- Final form did have bounce. Probably enough.
Geddoe vs Rashidi (OB)- Think so.
Geddoe vs Cyril (SO2)- Thunder nulling.
Geddoe vs Edge (FF4)- Yeah, wins the damage war.
Geddoe vs Ryu (BoF1)[/b]- >_< Ryu can mange 25% lightning resistance at the cost of some defense. I just don't think it's enough, Thunder storm/Hammer of Raijin should still kill.
Geddoe vs Seed (S2)- Opening soaring bolt puts too much pressure on seed. Geddoe is reasonably durable which means no blitzing.
Geddoe vs Samurai (FF5)- I think Samurai can even resist lightning. Ouch.
Geddoe vs Saki (SH2)- Sure, I'lll bite on the yellow scarf.
Geddoe vs Vanille (FF13)-OHKO.
Geddoe vs Dycedarg (FFT)-  Dhyer's breakdown sounds right.
Geddoe vs Rose (LoD)- OHKO from Hammer of Raijin. Even if he doesn't, he can follow up with a quick soaring bolt.   
Geddoe vs Zera (G2)-I'll buy magic repel giving Geddoe two turns.

Mei-ling (Saga) vs Psaro (DQ4)- Psaro's breath attacks ignore her defensive game.
Mei-ling vs Rashidi (OB)- Bound shot isn't enough, and she is getting one rounded otherwise.
Mei-ling vs Cyril (SO2)- Cyril might OHKO if you take Tonfa's numbers literally (I don't), but either way he has too much offense.
Mei-ling vs Edge (FF4)- Image. Don't think I allow Mei-ling the gift spells.
Mei-ling vs Ryu (BoF1)- Mei-ling might be able to evade whore her way out of trouble and bound shot being partly ITD helps, but it's still really goddman difficult to slug down Ryu1 with physicals.
Mei-ling vs Seed (S2)- 2HKO. Seed can't do anything about it.
Mei-ling vs Samurai (FF5)- I don't think Mei-ling manages to 2HKO and Samurai's damage is ITE.
Mei-ling vs Saki (SH2)-  I don't see Seal hitting WP techs. Saki might well 2HKO with Seal, but Mei-ling's evasion is enough to give her the benefit of the doubt for me.
Mei-ling vs Vanille (FF13)- Status parade, go!
Mei-ling vs Dycedarg (FFT)- I don't think he can take one and a half bound shots. Open for arguments here.
Mei-ling vs Rose (LoD)- ID is out and evasion gives Rose problems. 
Mei-ling vs Zera (G2)- Isn't OHKOed and Mei-ling can't block his status.
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Re: PG week 3 Heavy
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2012, 06:06:16 PM »
Dammit, Aiel, making me vote on practically nothing, and nothing memorable at all. :(

Darkrai vs Edge (FF4) - Kneejerk that he has more speed (or, at least, more respectable speed) and better tricks.
Darkrai vs Saki (SH2) - No Sleep shenanigans available, and Silence screws him pretty hard, I guess.

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Re: PG week 3 Heavy
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2012, 04:11:13 AM »
LightSword is -initiative-. Edge's not going to be faster than it.

Vote changed (Hopefully NEB will see this and note it in the stat topic!).
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Re: PG week 3 Heavy
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2012, 04:54:21 AM »
It's noted in my copy of the stat topic... but not in the version on the site. Whoops, thanks for catching that Dhyer. Will fix.

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Re: PG week 3 Heavy
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2012, 05:48:04 AM »
Darkrai (PKMN) vs Psaro (DQ4): Darkrai is a blitzer, but that's all he is. I don't think he can outlast Psaro.
Darkrai vs Cyril (SO2): Yeah no, Dark nulling ruins his only slim chance.
Darkrai vs Edge (FF4): Wow, just... so much better at the same thing. Faster, can immune sleep while the other doesn't, has a more potent sleep effect anyway.
Darkrai vs Ryu (BoF1): Ryu must initiative transform of course. But Darkrai still 3HKOs before Ryu's second attacking turn easily enough, and that's without any hype for flinch or doubleturns.
Darkrai vs Seed (S2): Shouldn't have any trouble 2HKOing, isn't one-rounded back, and is faster.
Darkrai vs Samurai (FF5): Darkrai gets two turns before Samurai gets two, but... doesn't 2HKO. Sleep's immuned. Don't think he can take this.
Darkrai vs Saki (SH2): Hmm. Darkrai probably 2HKOs, and is well faster even after any Energy Charge recharge time shenanigans. I guess if I saw Seal doing anything to Dark Pulse... but nah, even then, Darkrai would promptly have a 3-2 and take it anyway with something unsilenceable like Night Shade.
Darkrai vs Vanille (FF13): Vanille can muster the necessary sleep resistance at a durability hit. But... yeah, would need to land both Pain AND Fog in one turn.
Darkrai vs Dycedarg (FFT): I'm not sure what I think about FFT boss HP these days. Dyce is almost certainly 2HKOed though. Aegis Shield to the rescue? No wait, Darkrai's best damage is the non-typed Night Shade ANYWAY due to ignoring the damage reduction.
Darkrai vs Rose (LoD): Oh look, dark nulling. Too bad LoD doesn't null sleep.
Darkrai vs Zera (G2): Unsure. Depends on if Zera's Dragonzap paralysis rate is high enough to hit Darkrai turn 1 (needs to be >73% to me). Darkrai misses a 3-2 and misses a 2HKO if he blocks paralysis with a berry, so he's giving Zera one open shot at paralyis no matter what. Not enough information, abstain.

Geddoe (S3) vs Psaro (DQ4): Pretty sure Psaro had some lightning resistance to make this extra ugly.
Geddoe vs Cyril (SO2): Oh COME ON, why the hell do Cyril's in-game useless elemental defences keep MATTERING. Go fight ACF Lucied kthx.
Geddoe vs Edge (FF4): Um, I think. They both spoil each other's biggest tricks, but Geddoe still 3HKOs with his damage halved. Edge only 4HKOs.
Geddoe vs Ryu (BoF1): Ryu can't resist lightning and his dragon forms provide no MDef boost. Splat.
Geddoe vs Seed (S2): Geddoe can go first and get a Soaring Bolt off, Seed uses Silent Lake + physical, then two more physicals. Geddoe... is saved by Parry, so yeah, Seed misses the 3HKO and gets owned by Soaring Bolt + sword.
Geddoe vs Samurai (FF5): Samurai's ID isn't turn 1 or anything... but yeah, lightning resistance + winning in two turns.
Geddoe vs Saki (SH2): Blocks silence, OHKO.
Geddoe vs Vanille (FF13): Blocks Fog and has a OHKO, yeah.
Geddoe vs Dycedarg (FFT): To be honest, I think Hammer of Raijin may outspeed Dycedarg anyway (he's marginally below average), and I think Thunder Storm does and 2HKOs. And I think there's a reasonable argument that those spells might have been summons in FFT, which would mean no Aegis Shield hype. I'm not sure I buy that argument, but I buy it at least 1% of the time, which is enough!
Geddoe vs Rose (LoD): Bzzt.
Geddoe vs Zera (G2): Zera COULD win, but it requires Zera's paralysis be 80%+ to overcome Magic Repel, AND him to faster than Hammer of Raijin.

Mei-ling (Saga) vs Psaro (DQ4): Dispel+damage is a good trick. Mei-ling can avoid being OHKOed if she equips for fire/ice defence... maybe. But the healing's not good enough.
Mei-ling vs Cyril (SO2): Mei-ling's speed is insane when she takes to pure offence, I absolutely have no trouble buying a 3-2 here. Shield may also block Wind of Destruction IIRC.
Mei-ling vs Edge (FF4): Unsure. Image doesn't deal with ITE, and LightSword IS an option... but Edge still gets two shots if she uses that, and one won't face shield evade (though both face LightSword). Of course she may wake up and finish anyway. Whatever, abstain.
Mei-ling vs Ryu (BoF1): Megawindblast hype time.
Mei-ling vs Seed (S2): There's a chance Seed one-rounds. This is... a lot like the Edge fight. Except LightSword's raw Vit boost probably means Seed will need three hits out of four, and yeah he's not getting that.
Mei-ling vs Samurai (FF5): Definitely gets her second turn before Samurai gets hers. EDIT: But doesn't win with it. So, I guess she uses LightSword and digs in. Samurai has ID which gets immuned, and a relatively low 2HKO which I don't let her spam endlessly, so that path to victory is out (there's also a 5-4 going on even with Mei-ling taking a hit to block death).
Mei-ling vs Saki (SH2): Man I don't think silence even saves her even if I see it working, Mei-ling still has a 3HKO with BoundShot + two physicals I believe (really should have noted that down).
Mei-ling vs Vanille (FF13): Needs both Pain and Fog, and the combination is not turn 1.
Mei-ling vs Dycedarg (FFT): OHKOs if she procs a def-pierce. Puts a weak gun in the top slot so it gets broken first.
Mei-ling vs Rose (LoD)   
Mei-ling vs Zera (G2): I think I'll assume paralysis hits just fine here.

Mei-ling 8-2
Geddoe 8-3
Darkrai 7-3

How oddly similar.
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Re: PG week 3 Heavy
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2012, 08:40:43 AM »
I think FF 4 elemental defenses were prior to subtraction and were noted somewhere to be closer to 70%? I don't know if that was for best Mdef though as opposed to worst.
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Re: PG week 3 Heavy
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2012, 02:56:08 PM »
RE FF4 elemental defense:

[09:43:02] <Mega_Mettaur> 50% before defenses
<2012:08:30:>[09:43:12] <Mega_Mettaur> so comes out to more like 70% in practice


That matches with my own memories as well.

General comments: Ryu can't equip Quartz armor? That reduces Lightning by 25%, the FAQ I looked at said he could.  Not that it saves him here granted.

Also, I don't think Mei-ling has a prayer of 2HKOing Samurai.  Her version of Megawindblast falls short of a 2HKO in the DL, and Samurai is enough of a physical tank to survive two bound shots fairly easily.
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Re: PG week 3 Heavy
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2012, 03:41:07 PM »
Good call about Quartz Armour. Stat topic notes it for some PCs but not others, and apparently everyone can equip it (although Nina and Deis have no reason to). This saves Ryu from a OHKO though doesn't win him the match.

Mei-ling actually comes extremely close to 2HKOing Samurai due to BoundShot's critical-bypass-defence property... but yeah, one bypass and one non-bypass comes out to only about 94%. Changing vote there. EDIT: No, not changing vote. Samurai's low 2HKO doesn't overcome StarlightHeal.

On FF4, according to my notes, Edge's MDef takes off 20% from damage compared to 0. So a "100 power" attack would do damage as an 80 power attack. Halving 100 gives 50, and Edge takes 30... the drop from 80 to 30 is a 62.5% reduction. That gives him a better shot but I don't think it changes my vote. Edge is 91% mdur before lightning resistance, so only rises to 244% with. Geddoe still easily 3HKOs that.
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Re: PG week 3 Heavy
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2012, 11:25:00 PM »
PCs I don't have to stat topic to vote on first.

Geddoe (S3) vs Psaro (DQ4) - Geddoe really can't slug down that many forms.
Geddoe vs Rashidi (OB) - Giving Rashidi the benefit of doubt on his ability to survive a Hammer of Raijin. He -needs- it.
Geddoe vs Cyril (SO2) - Cyril is a FF9 PC.
Geddoe vs Edge (FF4) - Sure.
Geddoe vs Ryu (BoF1) - The lightning resistance is so not enough. 25%? Really?
Geddoe vs Seed (S2) - Annnnnnd yeah. Seed's accuracy sucks. I suspect Geddoe -2HKOs- to me anyway.
Geddoe vs Samurai (FF5) - *Sigh.*
Geddoe vs Saki (SH2) - Goes first, OHKOs.
Geddoe vs Dycedarg (FFT) - Hammer of Raijin goes first. Tend to not consider Aegis turn one anyway.
Geddoe vs Rose (LoD) - Fweem.
Geddoe vs Zera (G2) - Paralysis isn't turn one to me and he should 2HKO with Thunder Storm.

Mei-ling (Saga) vs Psaro (DQ4) - Mei-ling dearly wishes she had full healing.
Mei-ling vs Rashidi (OB) - Mei-ling comes close to a OHKO, but that's not good enough.
Mei-ling vs Cyril (SO2) - sure why not
Mei-ling vs Edge (FF4) - I'm not sure this is an issue, honestly. The status against modest evade is enough to go to turn two to me and she's faster. Unless she -does- miss that 2HKO.
Mei-ling vs Ryu (BoF1) - Baby, that MegaWindBlast is magic~
Mei-ling vs Seed (S2) - LightSword to make Seed's accuracy completely fail, 2HKO tiems.
Mei-ling vs Samurai (FF5) - Sure doll.
Mei-ling vs Saki (SH2) - I think she just 2HKOs first. Silence hitting SaGa techs... eeeeeeeeeeh.
Mei-ling vs Dycedarg (FFT) - Yup.
Mei-ling vs Rose (LoD) - And again.   
Mei-ling vs Zera (G2) - As usual, not hyping paralysis as turn one and she 2HKOs.
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Re: PG week 3 Heavy
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2012, 03:00:47 PM »
Darkrai (PKMN) vs Psaro (DQ4)
Darkrai vs Cyril (SO2) - Cyril is a FF9 PC.
Darkrai vs Edge (FF4) - Yar.
Darkrai vs Ryu (BoF1) - Doubleyar.
Darkrai vs Seed (S2) - Seed durability.
Darkrai vs Samurai (FF5) - Sure.
Darkrai vs Dycedarg (FFT) - I'll bite.
Darkrai vs Rose (LoD) - Man, 80% sleep?
Darkrai vs Zera (G2) - No clue.

Mei-ling (Saga) vs Psaro (DQ4)
Mei-ling vs Cyril (SO2) - Sure why not
Mei-ling vs Edge (FF4) - don't care
Mei-ling vs Ryu (BoF1) - Yep.
Mei-ling vs Seed (S2) - :seed:
Mei-ling vs Samurai (FF5) - I'll bite
Mei-ling vs Dycedarg (FFT) - Pretty much.
Mei-ling vs Rose (LoD) - Yeeeeeeeep.
Mei-ling vs Zera (G2) - Less reason to assume paralysis is turn 1 here, I think.