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PG week 3 Middle
« on: August 29, 2012, 03:36:43 AM »


Sceptile- Draws interest plus is cool enough. Why note?
Marcia- Chat recommendation. Hopefully Suiko DS draws okay!
Mestharim- Very interesting, kicked ass in Futurama.


Sceptile (PKMN) vs Alicia (VP2)
Sceptile vs Kyra (PS4)
Sceptile vs RAGNAR BLITZ LEBRETT (XF)
Sceptile vs Ragnar 'far cooler than the other Ragnar' McRyan (DQ4)
Sceptile vs Poco (AtLC)
Sceptile vs Raven (FE7)
Sceptile vs Jude (WA4)
Sceptile vs  Jeane (S4)
Sceptile vs Maya (LoL2)
Sceptile vs Gryz (PS4)
Sceptile vs Cleo (S1)
Sceptile vs Peter Pan (KH)

Mesarthim (PKMN) vs Alicia (VP2)
Mesarthim vs Kyra (PS4)
Mesarthim vs RAGNAR BLITZ LEBRETT (XF)
Mesarthim vs Ragnar 'far cooler than the other Ragnar' McRyan (DQ4)
Mesarthim vs Poco (AtLC)
Mesarthim vs Raven (FE7)
Mesarthim vs Jude (WA4)
Mesarthim vs  Jeane (S4)
Mesarthim vs Maya (LoL2)
Mesarthim vs Gryz (PS4)
Mesarthim vs Cleo (S1)
Mesarthim vs Peter Pan (KH)

Marica (Tierkreis) vs Alicia (VP2)
Marica vs Kyra (PS4)
Marica vs RAGNAR BLITZ LEBRETT (XF)
Marica vs Ragnar 'far cooler than the other Ragnar' McRyan (DQ4)
Marica vs Poco (AtLC)
Marica vs Raven (FE7)
Marica vs Jude (WA4)
Marica vs  Jeane (S4)
Marica vs Maya (LoL2)
Marica vs Gryz (PS4)
Marica vs Cleo (S1)
Marica vs Peter Pan (KH)
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Re: PG week 3 Middle
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2012, 07:27:04 PM »
Cool duellers first and foremost. Also, MESARTHIM I CHOOSE YOOOOOUUUUUUUUUU

Sceptile (PKMN) vs Alicia (VP2) - The speed certainly lets him apply a lot of pressure. It's possible Scepty doesn't 2HKO, but Giga Drain pretty much means it's borderline impossible for Alicia to chip through Overgrow range because she needs to constantly heal or get owned on a double.
Sceptile vs Kyra (PS4) - Fire weakness is kinda bad and Kyra has a lot of damage control along with having the mdef to make Giga Drain work poorly as a guarantee to reach Overgrowth. Sceptile still 3HKOs, but I think that's a lot of pressure. If he still gets the 3-2, though, he has a shot.
Sceptile vs RAGNAR BLITZ LEBRETT (XF) - No 3-2, but Ragnar needs a turn to actually get going and the accuracy issues screw his chipping up. Giga Drain gets a bit inflated because of his sucky MDef to boot, so this could also help.
Sceptile vs Ragnar 'far cooler than the other Ragnar' McRyan (DQ4) - Jesus christ, Sceptile near insta-triples.
Sceptile vs Poco (AtLC) - Poco's mdur is actually very good and should stave off a 3HKO, and he can chip. It's possible Poco just strains Scepty out of resources.
Sceptile vs Raven (FE7) - He probably just 2HKOs and Agility might even let him -double- Raven. Yup.
Sceptile vs Jude (WA4) - 2HKOs first.
Sceptile vs  Jeane (S4) - He halves Lightning! He nearly instant-doubles! He 3HKOs at worst!
Sceptile vs Maya (LoL2) - 3-2s, doesn't hit Gospel and Maya's elemental damage kinda sucks even hitting weakness. Healing is admitting a lock.
Sceptile vs Gryz (PS4) - Crash.
Sceptile vs Cleo (S1) - Conflagration.
Sceptile vs Peter Pan (KH) - I think Peter 2HKOs Scepty, which means Stop gives him enough time to finish the gecko off.

Mesarthim (SaGa) vs Alicia (VP2) - EDIT: Wait, no two blockers of the same slot type for me. Mesarthim cheeses with HideRune and alternates pelts+MysticSword smacks until the coup du grace connects. I expect Elfboy's analysis of this to be one of the most amazing things ever.
Mesarthim vs Kyra (PS4) - uuuuuuh this needs home thinking. EDIT: sure id why not
Mesarthim vs RAGNAR BLITZ LEBRETT (XF) - Mysogynist statues.
Mesarthim vs Ragnar 'far cooler than the other Ragnar' McRyan (DQ4) - Manly pink statues.
Mesarthim vs Poco (AtLC) - Still not feeling the love for storebought consumables as statusblockers.
Mesarthim vs Raven (FE7) - Scowling statues.
Mesarthim vs Jude (WA4) - EDIT: nevermind! Either status vulnerability is death and HideRune cheese works for healing at worst. Jude doesn't like Assault Buster hitting good defense -and- speed.
Mesarthim vs  Jeane (S4) - Barenaked lady statues.
Mesarthim vs Maya (LoL2) - And -another-! Mesarthim is like the coolest dueller ever.
Mesarthim vs Gryz (PS4) - This fight is kinda funny in that Mesarthim can hit a 1.5x weakness on Gryz and might as well slug it out.
Mesarthim vs Cleo (S1) - Man, Mesarthim.
Mesarthim vs Peter Pan (KH) - HideRune cheeses Peter Pan forever.
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Re: PG week 3 Middle
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2012, 07:48:06 PM »
Ragnar can use swordedge armor for damage reflection against Sceptile, which turns the fight into a sad gigafest drainoff.
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Re: PG week 3 Middle
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2012, 08:16:42 PM »
Sceptile (PKMN) vs Alicia (VP2)- Alicia. Gut reaction. First off, how potent is the Grass Slayer effect as Alicia may opt for that. Then...it's Alicia trying to run Sceptile out of dangerous charges (of which he has 20). Agility will max out at like 150% TB speed to me so can't put always doubling pressure up.
Sceptile vs Kyra (PS4)- Kyra
Sceptile vs RAGNAR BLITZ LEBRETT (XF)- Ragnar. Sceptile falls to 1 buffed attack, and that's hit rate is 83%. Any other win for Sceptile basically relies on that one attack missing, I think? Maybe some averages can make it otherwise
Sceptile vs Ragnar 'far cooler than the other Ragnar' McRyan (DQ4)- Sceptile
Sceptile vs Poco (AtLC)- Poco. Sceptile is not dangerous without charges
Sceptile vs Raven (FE7)- Sceptile
Sceptile vs Jude (WA4)- Sceptile. Speed should wreck Jude's damage
Sceptile vs  Jeane (S4)- Sceptile. Halves Lightning
Sceptile vs Maya (LoL2)- Sceptile. Would assume
Sceptile vs Gryz (PS4)- Gryz
Sceptile vs Cleo (S1)- Cleo

Mesarthim (PKMN) vs Alicia (VP2)- Alicia
Mesarthim vs Kyra (PS4)- Mesa
Mesarthim vs RAGNAR BLITZ LEBRETT (XF)- Mesarthim
Mesarthim vs Ragnar 'far cooler than the other Ragnar' McRyan (DQ4)- Mesarthim
Mesarthim vs Poco (AtLC)- Poco. Block Stone, has AoE, bust MP
Mesarthim vs Raven (FE7)- Mesarthim vs ST
Mesarthim vs Jude (WA4)- Mesa
Mesarthim vs  Jeane (S4)- Mesa
Mesarthim vs Maya (LoL2)- Uh... May depend on who can get non-Stone status first, and Mesa is a bit of question mark there
Mesarthim vs Gryz (PS4)- Mesarthim
Mesarthim vs Cleo (S1)- Mesarthim

Marica (Tierkreis) vs Alicia (VP2)- Alicia
Marica vs Kyra (PS4)- Kyra. Marica's damage is...not good against healers with that MP usage
Marica vs RAGNAR BLITZ LEBRETT (XF)- Ragnar. Faster, buff to 2HKO
Marica vs Ragnar 'far cooler than the other Ragnar' McRyan (DQ4)- Marica
Marica vs Poco (AtLC)- Poco. MP Busting
Marica vs Raven (FE7)- Marica. 2HKOs first.
Marica vs Jude (WA4)- Jude. So I'm guessing.
Marica vs  Jeane (S4)- Jeane. OHKOed
Marica vs Maya (LoL2)- Marica. At least she should be able to control this enough.
Marica vs Gryz (PS4)- Gryz. ID
Marica vs Cleo (S1)- Marica. I guess? Cleo has 2 shots of 2HKO, but healing should work here.

Mesarthim 8-2
Sceptile 4-6
Marica 3-6 (She's not a horrible Middle, but that field is either quite good or plays to her weaknesses)
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Re: PG week 3 Middle
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2012, 08:33:23 PM »
Sceptile vs RAGNAR BLITZ LEBRETT (XF)- Ragnar. Sceptile falls to 1 buffed attack, and that's hit rate is 83%. Any other win for Sceptile basically relies on that one attack missing, I think? Maybe some averages can make it otherwise

70% accuracy on L6 weapon average, which drops the average damage to 138... the attack -does- KO Sceptile if it connects, but between the 30% chance of missing and the odds of either of Scept's attacks critting, leading to a KO before Ragnar attacks? Yeah, keeping my vote on him.

EDIT: Not to mention DETECT of all things could screw Ragnar up further by giving it a chance of stalling out the buff's incredibly short duration in conjunction with Ragnar's crappy accuracy. I'm speechless here. 
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Re: PG week 3 Middle
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2012, 09:36:32 PM »
Sceptile (PKMN) vs Alicia (VP2)- Alicia has an argument, but eh.
Sceptile vs Kyra (PS4)
Sceptile vs RAGNAR BLITZ LEBRETT (XF)- Abstain.
Sceptile vs Ragnar 'far cooler than the other Ragnar' McRyan (DQ4)- Suspect that Sceptile can't stop Ragnar from getting two turns, which is enough. Swordedge armor means that Sceptile can't go full blitz mode in the first round, though.. gah, the turnsplit.   
Sceptile vs Poco (AtLC)
Sceptile vs Raven (FE7)- His RES sinks him offhand.
Sceptile vs Jude (WA4)
Sceptile vs  Jeane (S4)
Sceptile vs Maya (LoL2)- Gospel isn't enough.
Sceptile vs Gryz (PS4)- Crash.
Sceptile vs Cleo- No fire rune.

Mesarthim (PKMN) vs Alicia (VP2)-  Coup de grace is not cutting it against Alicia and she can block stone IIRC. That's enough to carry teh fight.
Mesarthim vs Kyra (PS4)- Kyra has no way to stop from getting petrified.
Mesarthim vs RAGNAR BLITZ LEBRETT (XF)- Hide rune until Ragnar drops to 1 HP, poke-death.
Mesarthim vs Ragnar 'far cooler than the other Ragnar' McRyan (DQ4)
Mesarthim vs Poco (AtLC)- MP busting. I see absolutely no reason to not allow cure alls, they are valid as equipment and storebought.
Mesarthim vs Raven (FE7)- Raven RES.
Mesarthim vs Jude (WA4)
Mesarthim vs  Jeane (S4)- Kneejerk.
Mesarthim vs Maya (LoL2)- Blocks stone and is hard to status otherwise.
Mesarthim vs Gryz (PS4)
Mesarthim vs Cleo (S1)
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Re: PG week 3 Middle
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2012, 03:39:08 AM »
Sceptile vs RAGNAR BLITZ LEBRETT (XF)- Ragnar. Sceptile falls to 1 buffed attack, and that's hit rate is 83%. Any other win for Sceptile basically relies on that one attack missing, I think? Maybe some averages can make it otherwise

70% accuracy on L6 weapon average, which drops the average damage to 138... the attack -does- KO Sceptile if it connects, but between the 30% chance of missing and the odds of either of Scept's attacks critting, leading to a KO before Ragnar attacks? Yeah, keeping my vote on him.

EDIT: Not to mention DETECT of all things could screw Ragnar up further by giving it a chance of stalling out the buff's incredibly short duration in conjunction with Ragnar's crappy accuracy. I'm speechless here.

I don't think Sceptile even 2HKOs with a crit to me, but might if you make Ragnar's defensive subtractive.
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Re: PG week 3 Middle
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2012, 05:16:48 AM »
Sceptile (PKMN) vs Alicia (VP2): Screech twice then Slam/Strength 2HKOs. This happens before Alicia's third turn, so she can't blitz him down. (Plant Slayer weapon kinda sucks incidentally.)
Sceptile vs Kyra (PS4): Kyra 2HKOs while dodging both Giga Drain healing Overgrowth because having lots of damage control AND fire is how to beat Sceptile. Also above average speed so not 3-2'd.
Sceptile vs RAGNAR BLITZ LEBRETT (XF): Taking damage as average = Ragnar needs 3 turns to win. See Snow for why he may win even without this interp.
Sceptile vs Ragnar 'far cooler than the other Ragnar' McRyan (DQ4): Sceptile 4HKOs, instant doubles, and isn't OHKOed. Swordedge Armour just risks knocking him into Overgrowth, and he can troll with Giga Drain just fine even if you don't see this working. Would help if Ragnar could actually have a natural 2HKO here (he's notably below average damage).
Sceptile vs Raven (FE7): Sceptile is faster, 2HKOs (Raven mdur), and isn't doubled.
Sceptile vs Jude (WA4): As above, replace "isn't doubled" with "wrecks Assault Buster".
Sceptile vs Jeane (S4): Lightning resistance to the rescue.
Sceptile vs Maya (LoL2): Maya's not terribly impressive.
Sceptile vs Gryz (PS4): Crash.
Sceptile vs Cleo (S1): Fire.

Mesarthim (PKMN) vs Alicia (VP2): The fight takes forever but Mesarthim should get a chain of charm-not-wearing off before Alicia wears out Mesarthim's resources.
Mesarthim vs Kyra (PS4): Instant death at worst.
Mesarthim vs RAGNAR BLITZ LEBRETT (XF): Plenty of time for stone to kick in.
Mesarthim vs Ragnar 'far cooler than the other Ragnar' McRyan (DQ4): As above.
Mesarthim vs Raven (FE7): Again fast enough to avoid a doubling, makes Raven not very happy.
Mesarthim vs Jude (WA4): Uhhh. Mesarthim's speed spoils Assault Buster some so Jude can't 2HKO with anything, and I imagine healing and HideRune can cheese the rest of the way. Jude blocking two statuses is awful statwise, so he can't win that way.
Mesarthim vs  Jeane (S4): Rubber Shoes.
Mesarthim vs Maya (LoL2): God I hate Legaia 2 statusblocking, the headaches. Uh... yeah, think I'll just pass on this one.
Mesarthim vs Gryz (PS4): Block ID, then ANYTHING spoils Gryz, whatever her stat hit. GlassShield most elegantly I suppose.
Mesarthim vs Cleo (S1): Thermal tank.

Marica (Tierkreis) vs Alicia (VP2): If I see Alicia as vulnerable to unbalance then Marica wins with Toppling Blow. If not... eh, she should doubleturn menu use eventually, and can heal indefinitely herself until then, then 2HKO. Havoc Cyclone not being an element Alicia blocks helps.
Marica vs Kyra (PS4): She's a bit faster (+0.6 SD instead of +0.44) and the above strategy involving Toppling Blow works: knock Kyra over, she misses two turns due to being slower, use the two resulting turns for 2HKO Havoc Cyclone. Granted, this is turn 2, but not like Kyra accomplishes anything with one turn.
Marica vs RAGNAR BLITZ LEBRETT (XF): Huh, Marica's pretty impressive, slugging down Heavies here with no real issue.
Marica vs Ragnar 'far cooler than the other Ragnar' McRyan (DQ4): Healers mock Swordedge Armour hype, and in general she controls this.
Marica vs Raven (FE7): Marica falls just shy of the speed required to stop Raven from doubling to me. However she's above average durability so she survives a double just fine, and two Havoc Cyclones sends Raven to the cleaners. He could opt for Hand Axes, but he doesn't double with those, so that doesn't accomplish anything.
Marica vs Jude (WA4): Jude has time for two Rapid Attacks then a boosted Assault Buster, which against Marica's speed is about 1.1x PC KO damage, better than her ~105% pdur.
Marica vs Jeane (S4): Marica has pretty good mdur (~1.25) but Jeane hits harder than that.
Marica vs Maya (LoL2): If Maya can both resist topple and wind she has a decent case I guess... though maybe she just runs out of resources even then?
Marica vs Gryz (PS4): Crash.
Marica vs Cleo (S1): Cleo misses the 2HKO even with Explosion, never mind she'd probably need to enforce a heal-lock with her physical to win.

Mesarthim 9-0 (go to Heavy, please)
Sceptile 7-3
Marica 7-3
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Re: PG week 3 Middle
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2012, 12:07:48 PM »
Sceptile (PKMN) vs Alicia (VP2)
Sceptile vs Kyra (PS4)
Sceptile vs RAGNAR BLITZ LEBRETT (XF)
Sceptile vs Ragnar 'far cooler than the other Ragnar' McRyan (DQ4)
Sceptile vs Poco (AtLC) - I don't see Poco as being able to bust all his charges at once, and Sceptile is faster, so...
Sceptile vs Raven (FE7)
Sceptile vs Jude (WA4)
Sceptile vs  Jeane (S4)
Sceptile vs Maya (LoL2) -
Sceptile vs Maya (LoL2) - 3-2s, doesn't hit Gospel and Maya's elemental damage kinda sucks even hitting weakness. Healing is admitting a lock.
Not sure why the heal lock is even mentioned, since Sceptile 2HKOs even without 3-2ing and is bound to get a crit to OHKO Maya in the first four turns.  Not sure if I can call Maya's durability Yulie-tastic, but it's certainly down there.
Sceptile vs Gryz (PS4)
Sceptile vs Cleo (S1)
Sceptile vs Peter Pan (KH)

Mesarthim (PKMN) vs Alicia (VP2)
Mesarthim vs Kyra (PS4)
Mesarthim vs RAGNAR BLITZ LEBRETT (XF)
Mesarthim vs Ragnar 'far cooler than the other Ragnar' McRyan (DQ4)
Mesarthim vs Poco (AtLC) - Charm, SoulRune, and then 3HKO Poco with Maelstrom (which runs off a resource I'm not sure I see him busting).  Failing that, I could always hype my interpretation of MirrorShade.
Mesarthim vs Raven (FE7) - FE no likey status
Mesarthim vs Jude (WA4)
Mesarthim vs  Jeane (S4)
Mesarthim vs Maya (LoL2) - Maya can't block Stone, ID, or Charm at all, much less at the same time.
Mesarthim vs Gryz (PS4)
Mesarthim vs Cleo (S1)
Mesarthim vs Peter Pan (KH)

Sceptile 8-4
Mesarthim 12-0 GO TO HEAVY
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Re: PG week 3 Middle
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2012, 02:24:54 PM »
Sceptile vs Kyra (PS4) - Dodges the 3-2, can kill with fire.
Sceptile vs Ragnar 'far cooler than the other Ragnar' McRyan (DQ4)
Sceptile vs Poco (AtLC) - I'm never sure how to take MP busting against pokemon, but even then Poco has good Mdef so he may well take this anyways.
Sceptile vs Raven (FE7) - Get some RES, Raven.
Sceptile vs Jude (WA4) - Get some MDef, Jude.
Sceptile vs Gryz (PS4) - Crash.
Sceptile vs Cleo (S1) - OHKOs with fire.

Mesarthim vs Kyra (PS4) - Esper statues.
Mesarthim vs Ragnar 'far cooler than the other Ragnar' McRyan (DQ4) - Statues in manly pink armor.
Mesarthim vs Poco (AtLC) - Abstain.
Mesarthim vs Raven (FE7) - Grumpy statues.
Mesarthim vs Jude (WA4) - Cheeses.
Mesarthim vs Gryz (PS4) - Motavian statues.
Mesarthim vs Cleo (S1) - Tanks fire like a champ, makes bodyguard statues or something.

Marica vs Kyra (PS4) - Edit: unbalance + nuke, okay.
Marica vs Ragnar 'far cooler than the other Ragnar' McRyan (DQ4) - Kaboom.
Marica vs Poco (AtLC) - Poco is good at this whole magical durability thing though, and Marica's basic physical 12HKOs average.  Resource busting ahoy.
Marica vs Raven (FE7) - Get some RES, Raven.
Marica vs Jude (WA4) - Misses the OHKO, but the speed probably messes with Assault Buster enough to finish off Jude.
Marica vs Gryz (PS4) - Crashing.
Marica vs Cleo (S1) - I don't think Cleo can enforce a heal lock with her physical here.
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