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RPGDL 2012 Season 2, Week 4: SaGa Frontier Strikes Back
« on: September 10, 2012, 08:54:34 AM »
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Loki (Valkyrie Profile) vs GenocideHeart (SaGa Frontier)
Ryu (Breath of Fire III) vs TimeLord (Saga Frontier)

Heavy

Jeremy Non (Wild ARMs 4) vs Kiryl (Dragon Quest IV)
Time Mage (Final Fantasy V) vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (Wild ARMs 4)

Middle

Albel Nox (Star Ocean: Till the End of Time) vs Rudy Roughknight (Wild ARMs)
Snow Villiers (Final Fantasy XIII) vs Lightning Farron (Final Fantasy XIII)

Light

Riki (SaGa Frontier) vs Lucia (Shadow Hearts: Covenant)
Fiona (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn) vs Vinsfeld Rhadamanthus (Wild ARMs 2)

Since next week will have this seasons Ranking session, please take this week to check the current player data ( http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php/topic,6015.0.html ) and post there if there's any updates you have.

Additionally, you may suggest up to 2 games not already listed to include for data mining during ranking festivities.
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 2, Week 4: SaGa Frontier Strikes Back
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2012, 11:38:41 AM »
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Loki (Valkyrie Profile) vs GenocideHeart (SaGa Frontier) - Kneejerk is that Loki just continues to OHKO each of GH's forms?
Ryu (Breath of Fire III) vs TimeLord (Saga Frontier) - Beating Ryu3 the only way people know how~

Heavy

Jeremy Non (Wild ARMs 4) vs Kiryl (Dragon Quest IV) - Jeremy probably heal-locks if he doesn't outright kill.
Time Mage (Final Fantasy V) vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (Wild ARMs 4)

Middle

Albel Nox (Star Ocean: Till the End of Time) vs Rudy Roughknight (Wild ARMs) - Faster and status-y-er.
Snow Villiers (Final Fantasy XIII) vs Lightning Farron (Final Fantasy XIII) - I think someone mathed this out before?

Light

Riki (SaGa Frontier) vs Lucia (Shadow Hearts: Covenant) - This is sad. Generally thinking that Riki has more durability and the healing makes it easier. I even allow Lucia some plot Crests, but I don't think it saves her here.
Fiona (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn) vs Vinsfeld Rhadamanthus (Wild ARMs 2) - Fiona = Imbue hype!

Ranking Data Mining:
FF4-2: The After Years... For all that it's terrible and it should feel terrible, there's some interesting character builds in there and it's probably got enough voters?
Legend of Mana: Has voters and fans and a stat topic that does a pretty good job of interpreting it. I'm just curious where it stands.

Other ideas that come to mind: ToV, ToGf, Dis4, LO, XB, Atelier Iris 1, AT1, FFMQ, LoH:Trails, VPDS, Tierkreis, SoD, WoZ, KHBBS
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 2, Week 4: SaGa Frontier Strikes Back
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2012, 12:03:53 PM »
Can't vote again, but yeah, I'm gonna say Xenoblade for the data thing. And, uh.. I'd want to look at Pokemon B/W again, I guess, but not sure if 'not listed' is just 'not ranked/rejected' or 'nothing on any of the lists', but I don't have a second game otherwise. >.>;
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 2, Week 4: SaGa Frontier Strikes Back
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2012, 03:19:39 PM »
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Loki (Valkyrie Profile) vs GenocideHeart (SaGa Frontier)
Ryu (Breath of Fire III) vs TimeLord (Saga Frontier)

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Jeremy Non (Wild ARMs 4) vs Kiryl (Dragon Quest IV)- Wild Savate is ITD and thus very bad news.
Time Mage (Final Fantasy V) vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (Wild ARMs 4)- Go upgrade Time Mage, and go away Arnaud.

Middle

Albel Nox (Star Ocean: Till the End of Time) vs Rudy Roughknight (Wild ARMs)- Don't think Rudy can do anything about Aura Wall.
Snow Villiers (Final Fantasy XIII) vs Lightning Farron (Final Fantasy XIII)- Think Snow just manages a 2HKO.

Light

Riki (SaGa Frontier) vs Lucia (Shadow Hearts: Covenant)- O_o to these two winning matches. Edit: Duh. He heals until she runs out of SP and fails forever.
Fiona (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn) vs Vinsfeld Rhadamanthus (Wild ARMs 2)- FUCK OFF FIONA
« Last Edit: September 10, 2012, 04:58:41 PM by superaielman »
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 2, Week 4: SaGa Frontier Strikes Back
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2012, 03:55:01 PM »
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Loki (Valkyrie Profile) vs GenocideHeart (SaGa Frontier): Yeah there aren't many people in this field who can beat GenocideHeart even though I don't view his HP-buffering as perfect. Loki can smash pretty well but dies to one Tower. Well, there is one person who can beat him, but...
Ryu (Breath of Fire III) vs TimeLord (Saga Frontier): He is a victim of his averagish magic durability this week.

Heavy

Jeremy Non (Wild ARMs 4) vs Kiryl (Dragon Quest IV): Don't think Kiryl had any notable evade, so Jeremy wins before Kiryl gets a turn. To make matters worse he isn't OHKOed (HOW DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING) so all he needs to do is heal-lock.
Time Mage (Final Fantasy V) vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (Wild ARMs 4): Immunes slow/sleep, meteor~

Middle

Albel Nox (Star Ocean: Till the End of Time) vs Rudy Roughknight (Wild ARMs): Rudy has confuse immunity, and builds to OHKO damage. Anything that isn't draining gets Albel 2HKOed.
Snow Villiers (Final Fantasy XIII) vs Lightning Farron (Final Fantasy XIII): Both outdamage each other's healing games slightly. But Lightning goes first and both likely 3HKO, and she overcomes Sentinel as well... actually, never mind, Snow can can start in Sentinel, then switch to offence and 3HKO first (or overwhelm healing). Close though.

Light

Riki (SaGa Frontier) vs Lucia (Shadow Hearts: Covenant): I think.
Fiona (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn) vs Vinsfeld Rhadamanthus (Wild ARMs 2): Imbue completely destroys Vinsfeld.
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 2, Week 4: SaGa Frontier Strikes Back
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2012, 03:57:27 PM »
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Time Mage (Final Fantasy V) vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (Wild ARMs 4)
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 2, Week 4: SaGa Frontier Strikes Back
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2012, 04:05:34 PM »
Elfboy: Did you mean to bold TL instead of Ryu3? Andy, your bold tag is messed up.

Also, can't Vinsfeld just ID Fiona?
« Last Edit: September 10, 2012, 04:08:23 PM by superaielman »
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 2, Week 4: SaGa Frontier Strikes Back
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2012, 04:18:20 PM »
Vinsfeld's 5% ID is truly a fearsome thing. It's only useful if he's forcing an opponent to heal, really.
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 2, Week 4: SaGa Frontier Strikes Back
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2012, 04:46:58 PM »
No "Mostly SaGa Frontier" topic title? Aaaaaaaaaaw.

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Loki (Valkyrie Profile) vs GenocideHeart (SaGa Frontier) - Tower is so amazing.
Ryu (Breath of Fire III) vs TimeLord (Saga Frontier) - SaGa finals coming up. Truly this is a SF fansite.

Heavy

Jeremy Non (Wild ARMs 4) vs Kiryl (Dragon Quest IV) - I'm not sure how Cristo survives two Jeremy turns ever. Heck, I'm not sure he survives -one-.
Time Mage (Final Fantasy V) vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (Wild ARMs 4) - Rocks fall, everyone dies. I'm not sure how would Arnaud win even if Time Mage didn't immune sleep/slow, magic evade keeps Sleep turn two for sure and Slow Down isn't useful when Arnie's getting massively overkilled.

Middle

Albel Nox (Star Ocean: Till the End of Time) vs Rudy Roughknight (Wild ARMs) - Albel thanks his lucky stars for being above average durability and having Aura Wall. Funny how Rudy wants WA1o for this fight, but sucks to be him.

Light

Riki (SaGa Frontier) vs Lucia (Shadow Hearts: Covenant) - Worst comes to worst, I think Riki should run Lucia out of SP.
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 2, Week 4: SaGa Frontier Strikes Back
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2012, 07:12:54 PM »
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Loki (Valkyrie Profile) vs GenocideHeart (SaGa Frontier) - Oh dear.
Ryu (Breath of Fire III) vs TimeLord (Saga Frontier) - Oh dear MkII.

Heavy

Jeremy Non (Wild ARMs 4) vs Kiryl (Dragon Quest IV) - Oh dear MkIII.
Time Mage (Final Fantasy V) vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (Wild ARMs 4) - Oh dear Mkmeteor~

Middle

wut

Light

Fiona (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn) vs Vinsfeld Rhadamanthus (Wild ARMs 2) - Incur My Wrath's fearsome 5% ID takes too long to trigger, far longer than Fiona needs to kill under the numbers I use, let alone numbers where Fiona doesn't face an eight level disadvantage compared to average, and it is literally his only hope.
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 2, Week 4: SaGa Frontier Strikes Back
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2012, 07:54:59 PM »
Jeremy Non (Wild ARMs 4) vs Kiryl (Dragon Quest IV)
Time Mage (Final Fantasy V) vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (Wild ARMs 4)
As noted, Slow Down is pretty much worthless here anyway.

Middle

Albel Nox (Star Ocean: Till the End of Time) vs Rudy Roughknight (Wild ARMs)
Snow Villiers (Final Fantasy XIII) vs Lightning Farron (Final Fantasy XIII)
Fun fact: In the damage averages with Ravager Hope/Vanille, Snow 2HKOs on the nose with Powerchain.  Even with a reasonable slightly harsher damage average - say a 3 turn one - Lightning is at death's door after 2 Snow chains.  While Axis Blade hype might normally mean Lightning completes her 3HKO faster (not really on board for open with Sentinel hype), Snow jams triangle after a single Fight comes up and doesn't bother waiting for a full ATB chain to finish his 2nd-and-a-fifth turn fast anyway.

Light

Fiona (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn) vs Vinsfeld Rhadamanthus (Wild ARMs 2)
Yeah Vinsfeld's ID is useful against characters who need to spend a turn to heal, not Fiona.
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 2, Week 4: SaGa Frontier Strikes Back
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2012, 10:38:17 PM »
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Time Mage (Final Fantasy V) vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (Wild ARMs 4) - Slow Down: Does not really do anything about doublecast Meteor bullshit.

Middle

Snow Villiers (Final Fantasy XIII) vs Lightning Farron (Final Fantasy XIII) - Yeah, I'll buy the analysis.
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 2, Week 4: SaGa Frontier Strikes Back
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2012, 01:24:10 AM »
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Time Mage (Final Fantasy V) vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (Wild ARMs 4) - Better mastery of time and space. Time Mage for Heavy Champ

Middle

Albel Nox (Star Ocean: Till the End of Time) vs Rudy Roughknight (Wild ARMs) - Rudy gets off a Snipe Bullet. And then Aura Wall. gg
Snow Villiers (Final Fantasy XIII) vs Lightning Farron (Final Fantasy XIII) - Kneejerk. Lightning's not that great of a Middle.

Light
Fiona (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn) vs Vinsfeld Rhadamanthus (Wild ARMs 2) - Imbue owns Vinsfeld. Vinsfeld only chance is for his 5% ID to kick in within the first 3-4 attacks. No.
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 2, Week 4: SaGa Frontier Strikes Back
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2012, 05:32:16 AM »
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Ryu (Breath of Fire III) vs TimeLord (Saga Frontier)

Heavy
Jeremy Non (Wild ARMs 4) vs Kiryl (Dragon Quest IV)
Time Mage (Final Fantasy V) vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (Wild ARMs 4)

Middle
Albel Nox (Star Ocean: Till the End of Time) vs Rudy Roughknight (Wild ARMs)
Snow Villiers (Final Fantasy XIII) vs Lightning Farron (Final Fantasy XIII)

Light
Riki (SaGa Frontier) vs Lucia (Shadow Hearts: Covenant)
Fiona (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn) vs Vinsfeld Rhadamanthus (Wild ARMs 2)

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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 2, Week 4: SaGa Frontier Strikes Back
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2012, 06:35:51 AM »
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Time Mage (Final Fantasy V) vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (Wild ARMs 4) - Quick-Whatever-Reset is pretty crazy.
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 2, Week 4: SaGa Frontier Strikes Back
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2012, 07:09:32 PM »
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Loki (Valkyrie Profile) vs GenocideHeart (SaGa Frontier)- No vote
Ryu (Breath of Fire III) vs TimeLord (Saga Frontier)

Heavy

Jeremy Non (Wild ARMs 4) vs Kiryl (Dragon Quest IV)
Time Mage (Final Fantasy V) vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (Wild ARMs 4)

Middle

Albel Nox (Star Ocean: Till the End of Time) vs Rudy Roughknight (Wild ARMs)
Snow Villiers (Final Fantasy XIII) vs Lightning Farron (Final Fantasy XIII)

Light

Riki (SaGa Frontier) vs Lucia (Shadow Hearts: Covenant)
Fiona (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn) vs Vinsfeld Rhadamanthus (Wild ARMs 2)
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 2, Week 4: SaGa Frontier Strikes Back
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2012, 08:08:39 PM »
Quote from: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 10, 2012, 04:46:58 PM


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Jeremy Non (Wild ARMs 4) vs Kiryl (Dragon Quest IV) - I wuv
Time Mage (Final Fantasy V) vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (Wild ARMs 4) - you Snow

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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 2, Week 4: SaGa Frontier Strikes Back
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2012, 08:44:05 PM »
SaGa!DL.

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Loki (Valkyrie Profile) vs GenocideHeart (SaGa Frontier)
Ryu (Breath of Fire III) vs TimeLord (Saga Frontier)

Heavy

Jeremy Non (Wild ARMs 4) vs Kiryl (Dragon Quest IV)
Time Mage (Final Fantasy V) vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (Wild ARMs 4)

Middle

Albel Nox (Star Ocean: Till the End of Time) vs Rudy Roughknight (Wild ARMs)
Snow Villiers (Final Fantasy XIII) vs Lightning Farron (Final Fantasy XIII)

Light

Riki (SaGa Frontier) vs Lucia (Shadow Hearts: Covenant)
Fiona (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn) vs Vinsfeld Rhadamanthus (Wild ARMs 2)

TAY and Tactics Ogre PSP.
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 2, Week 4: SaGa Frontier Strikes Back
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2012, 10:27:17 PM »
Probably should have noted earlier.

Final Fantasy IV: The After Years (4/19) (Super, elfboy, ciato, reiska,    )
Pokémon Black/White (8/19) (Neph, random, reiska, ck, dude, yoshi, twil, Andrew, )

So I do have data on those.  Aside from djinn playing FFIV-2, I'm not sure there's anyone else I should update for?  But in general, if there's a game I have data for that you played it'd be helpful if you posted in the rankings topic.
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 2, Week 4: SaGa Frontier Strikes Back
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2012, 10:36:45 PM »
No voting possible.

Datamine:
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Golden Sun: Dark Dawn
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 2, Week 4: SaGa Frontier Strikes Back
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2012, 01:01:11 AM »

Godlike

Ryu (Breath of Fire III) vs TimeLord (Saga Frontier)

Heavy

Jeremy Non (Wild ARMs 4) vs Kiryl (Dragon Quest IV)
Time Mage (Final Fantasy V) vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (Wild ARMs 4)

Middle

Albel Nox (Star Ocean: Till the End of Time) vs Rudy Roughknight (Wild ARMs): WA1o. See NEB.
Snow Villiers (Final Fantasy XIII) vs Lightning Farron (Final Fantasy XIII)

Light

Riki (SaGa Frontier) vs Lucia (Shadow Hearts: Covenant)
Fiona (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn) vs Vinsfeld Rhadamanthus (Wild ARMs 2): Vinsfeld can't take her? Fiona is better than she has a right to be (By all rights she's dead Part 1 <_<)
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 2, Week 4: SaGa Frontier Strikes Back
« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2012, 01:48:29 AM »
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Loki (Valkyrie Profile)- i vs GenocideHeart (SaGa Frontier)- iiiii
Ryu (Breath of Fire III) vs TimeLord (Saga Frontier)- iiiiiiiii

Heavy

Jeremy Non (Wild ARMs 4)- iiiiiiiiiii vs Kiryl (Dragon Quest IV)
Time Mage (Final Fantasy V)- iiiiiiiiiiiiiii vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (Wild ARMs 4)

Middle

Albel Nox (Star Ocean: Till the End of Time)- iiiii vs Rudy Roughknight (Wild ARMs)- iiiii (teh hatbots)
Snow Villiers (Final Fantasy XIII)- iiiiiiiiii vs Lightning Farron (Final Fantasy XIII)

Light

Riki (SaGa Frontier)- iiiiii vs Lucia (Shadow Hearts: Covenant)- i
Fiona (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn)- iiiiiiiii vs Vinsfeld Rhadamanthus (Wild ARMs 2)- i
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 2, Week 4: SaGa Frontier Strikes Back
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2012, 01:56:07 AM »
Quote from: Twilkitri on September 16, 2012, 10:36:45 PM
No voting possible.

Datamine:
Rogue Galaxy
Golden Sun: Dark Dawn

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