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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 3 Week 1: Mostly Elfboy Fanservice
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2012, 08:55:24 PM »
Although wait a second.  Elaine's spell charges suck, she has a mere 1 L4.  Okay yeah, if she can't spam Explosion, then Stocke has a psuedo-heal lock on her that she can't effectively exploit via attacking, and if Elaine doesn't heal right away, Switching.  So yeah, given Switch hype, Stocke does win even if he's seen as only having a 3HKO short of a lucky turn 1 Stun.
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 3 Week 1: Mostly Elfboy Fanservice
« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2012, 09:48:57 PM »
I think her other choice would be SLing it up, but Stocke gets a free G-Fire that way, and Dogface pdur sorta sucks. She's way too likely to just get outslugged that way.
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 3 Week 1: Mostly Elfboy Fanservice
« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2012, 03:01:29 AM »
Couldn't Stocke just push Elaine back if he's worried about the damage she does on a double?

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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 3 Week 1: Mostly Elfboy Fanservice
« Reply #28 on: December 11, 2012, 08:57:26 AM »
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Don't think it is relevant but Palom could immune confuse (Headband), pig (Ruby Ring) and silence (Bard's Tunic) in 4o even with temp equips.
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 3 Week 1: Mostly Elfboy Fanservice
« Reply #29 on: December 11, 2012, 09:44:27 AM »
Heavy

Ivan (Golden Sun) vs Groudon (Pokémon Series) - Status lock. I don't see Ivan's lightning damage as working on Groudon, but he has plenty of clearly-Wind damage, too.
Scias (Breath of Fire IV) vs Maya Schroedinger (Wild ARMs 3) - If Shining Blade 2HKOs Maya and Scias gets two turns, can't he just go 1. Focus 2. Shining Blade?

Edit: Ah right, one Focus is only 150% base damage, so if you see Maya as particularly tanky then Scias needs to Focus twice. I reckon he's got this, regardless.

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Palom (Final Fantasy IV) vs Nadia 'Marle' Guardia (Chrono Trigger) - Death.

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Augst Henricksen (Wild ARMs 4) vs Rhys (Fire Emblem Series) - I can see the immunity argument, but I don't think I buy it here.

Unrelated Edit: Unique Equips Only Relm also gets the Cat Hood.
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 3 Week 1: Mostly Elfboy Fanservice
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2012, 12:29:00 PM »
Focus is an itemcast, and while it's on a Scias armor, any PC can use it, not being tied to having the item equipped. I personally don't feel very comfortable allowing it (G3 itemcasts are kinda different, since you need to equip the item -and- all the itemcast equips are character-unique).
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 3 Week 1: Mostly Elfboy Fanservice
« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2012, 05:17:06 PM »
Focus is on King's Armour, which is a very rare steal from a superboss (we're talking less than 1% here because lol BoF4 steal). Not legal at all to me.

EDIT: Okay, BoF4 steal mechanics are actually documented. The absolute highest the chance to steal from Rider (requires 170 speed, i.e. endgame Nina, for Steal to be used last in a three-person combo, and Charm to have been used on the target previously) is about (8 + 4) * 3 / 4096, or about 0.9%.

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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 3 Week 1: Mostly Elfboy Fanservice
« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2012, 06:04:34 PM »
Also OK I'd like to point out that your view is possibly the only one where Rolf wants his FE9 form.  (Unique Rolf's Bow, lots of laguz aren't attacking any time soon despite having legal weapons, so lots of 0s in the damage average and FE9 Rolf is a Godlike overkiller with his fearsome hated bow...  I believe FE10 Rolf's Bow isn't unique.)


Makes sense - that's who my old views went.  RPGP had the clause about uniqueness - that's what I went with and was strict about back then.  Storebought equipment isn't unique, nor is starting equipment - some casts got hosed, some specific characters got godly, others were...decent.  FE in particular gets crazy variance (Ike for Godlike doesn't sound unreasonable...).  It's the fun of taking this interpretation!
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 3 Week 1: Mostly Elfboy Fanservice
« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2012, 08:55:45 PM »
Godlike

Yu Narukami (Persona 4) vs Citan Uzuki (Xenogears)
Jessica Albert (Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King) vs Thanatos (Secret of Mana)
Terra Branford (Final Fantasy VI) vs Deamoned (Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter)
Jade (Breath of Fire) vs Layna (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters)

Heavy

Jowy Atreides (Suikoden II) vs Tidus (Final Fantasy X)
Ivan (Golden Sun) vs Groudon (Pokémon Series)
Scias (Breath of Fire IV) vs Maya Schroedinger (Wild ARMs 3)
Hect (Grandia III) vs Queen Zeal (Chrono Trigger)

Middle

Palom (Final Fantasy IV) vs Nadia 'Marle' Guardia (Chrono Trigger)
Elaine (Suikoden III) vs Stocke (Radiant Historia)
Anita (Suikoden II) vs Hippopressor (Mega Man X: Command Mission)
Tear Grants (Tales of the Abyss) vs Rouge (SaGa Frontier)

Light

Augst Henricksen (Wild ARMs 4) vs Rhys (Fire Emblem Series) - Neither one can win...
Tia (Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals) vs Norn (Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen)
Fantastica (Wild ARMs XF) vs Ilyana (Fire Emblem Series)
Zhuzhen Liu (Shadow Hearts) vs Cyan Garamonde (Final Fantasy VI)

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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 3 Week 1: Mostly Elfboy Fanservice
« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2012, 01:46:46 AM »
Godlike
Yu Narukami (Persona 4) vs Citan Uzuki (Xenogears)
Jessica Albert (Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King) vs Thanatos (Secret of Mana)
Terra Branford (Final Fantasy VI) vs Deamoned (Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter)

Heavy
Jowy Atreides (Suikoden II) vs Tidus (Final Fantasy X)
Scias (Breath of Fire IV) vs Maya Schroedinger (Wild ARMs 3)
Hect (Grandia III) vs Queen Zeal (Chrono Trigger)

Middle
Palom (Final Fantasy IV) vs Nadia 'Marle' Guardia (Chrono Trigger)
Anita (Suikoden II) vs Hippopressor (Mega Man X: Command Mission)
Tear Grants (Tales of the Abyss) vs Rouge (SaGa Frontier)

Light
Augst Henricksen (Wild ARMs 4) vs Rhys (Fire Emblem Series)
Tia (Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals) vs Norn (Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen)
Zhuzhen Liu (Shadow Hearts) vs Cyan Garamonde (Final Fantasy VI)

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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 3 Week 1: Mostly Elfboy Fanservice
« Reply #35 on: December 14, 2012, 04:21:13 AM »
All right, fair arguments against Focus. I don't think I'd throw out the itemcast, myself, but that's not important here since I can agree that a <1% steal is a no go. Scias does have a surprisingly solid stall game for Plan B, though, because because if Maya hits him into Rashka range without activating it then he can just heal himself up and try again. So Maya has to try to chip Scias around critical HP with her physical... which means that she's forced to deal with his 20% counterattack rate. Opening Blizzard plus counter-attack plus Shining Blade finisher is more than enough damage to kill PC-ish durability, and Scias has the AP for 21 55% Heals or 11 100% Rejuvenates while he waits. Granted, he'll probably need to use some of those Heals on attacks where Maya rolled high for random variance (by Elfboy's numbers in the WA3 topic and here, she's normally dealing ~0.41 PCHP to his ~0.83 Pdur) but I reckon he's still got enough time to activate a win.
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 3 Week 1: Mostly Elfboy Fanservice
« Reply #36 on: December 14, 2012, 06:41:27 AM »
Yeah, toss out Scias' focus then. But he's only 83% Pdur. He drops a few points of defense losing that armor, but only 7 (With that should take about extra 6% from physicals I think (physicals normally multiply defense by 10x in BoF 4 IIRC, and has about 94% HP, so 83% should be a little low). Unless Mist Armor is also tossable. Granted, I guess Maya's chipping move and a Calamity Jane are fatal to average, so def get Scias regardless, so change that vote to Maya.
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 3 Week 1: Mostly Elfboy Fanservice
« Reply #37 on: December 14, 2012, 03:09:43 PM »
Godlike

Yu Narukami (Persona 4) vs Citan Uzuki (Xenogears)
Jessica Albert (Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King) vs Thanatos (Secret of Mana): DQ8 buffs had a tendency to wear off pretty quick IIRC, so if jessica casts bounce, thanatos can just sit with his head underground and wait it out
Terra Branford (Final Fantasy VI) vs Deamoned (Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter)
Jade (Breath of Fire) vs Layna (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters)

Heavy

Jowy Atreides (Suikoden II) vs Tidus (Final Fantasy X)
Scias (Breath of Fire IV) vs Maya Schroedinger (Wild ARMs 3)
Hect (Grandia III) vs Queen Zeal (Chrono Trigger)

Middle

Palom (Final Fantasy IV) vs Nadia 'Marle' Guardia (Chrono Trigger)
Elaine (Suikoden III) vs Stocke (Radiant Historia)
Anita (Suikoden II) vs Hippopressor (Mega Man X: Command Mission)
Tear Grants (Tales of the Abyss) vs Rouge (SaGa Frontier)

Light

Augst Henricksen (Wild ARMs 4) vs Rhys (Fire Emblem Series)
Tia (Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals) vs Norn (Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen)
Zhuzhen Liu (Shadow Hearts) vs Cyan Garamonde (Final Fantasy VI)

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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 3 Week 1: Mostly Elfboy Fanservice
« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2012, 08:41:26 AM »
Godlike

Yu Narukami (Persona 4) vs Citan Uzuki (Xenogears)
Jessica Albert (Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King) vs Thanatos (Secret of Mana)
Terra Branford (Final Fantasy VI) vs Deamoned (Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter)
Jade (Breath of Fire) vs Layna (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters)

Heavy

Jowy Atreides (Suikoden II) vs Tidus (Final Fantasy X)
Ivan (Golden Sun) vs Groudon (Pokémon Series)
Scias (Breath of Fire IV) vs Maya Schroedinger (Wild ARMs 3)
Hect (Grandia III) vs Queen Zeal (Chrono Trigger)

Middle

Light

Augst Henricksen (Wild ARMs 4) vs Rhys (Fire Emblem Series)
Tia (Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals) vs Norn (Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen)
Fantastica (Wild ARMs XF) vs Ilyana (Fire Emblem Series)
Zhuzhen Liu (Shadow Hearts) vs Cyan Garamonde (Final Fantasy VI)

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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 3 Week 1: Mostly Elfboy Fanservice
« Reply #39 on: December 19, 2012, 06:44:40 AM »
Note for future reference: Always, always, always, ALWAYS edit your original posts if you change a vote or discuss a match separately from the bulk of your vote.  I do not count votes ahead, the most likely thing you'll do is throw me off completely and double count your vote in some manner.

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Yu Narukami (Persona 4)- iiiiiiiii vs Citan Uzuki (Xenogears)
Jessica Albert (Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King)- ii vs Thanatos (Secret of Mana)- iiiiii
Terra Branford (Final Fantasy VI)- iiiii vs Deamoned (Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter)- iii
Jade (Breath of Fire)- iiiiiiii vs Layna (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters)

Heavy

Jowy Atreides (Suikoden II)- iiiiiiiiiii vs Tidus (Final Fantasy X)-i
Ivan (Golden Sun)- iiii vs Groudon (Pokémon Series)- i
Scias (Breath of Fire IV)- iiiii vs Maya Schroedinger (Wild ARMs 3)- iiiiii
Hect (Grandia III) vs Queen Zeal (Chrono Trigger)- iiiiiiiiii

Middle

Palom (Final Fantasy IV)- iiiiii vs Nadia 'Marle' Guardia (Chrono Trigger)- iiiii
Elaine (Suikoden III)- iiii vs Stocke (Radiant Historia)- iiii (Tiebreak: CK vote)
Anita (Suikoden II)- i vs Hippopressor (Mega Man X: Command Mission)- iiiiiiii
Tear Grants (Tales of the Abyss) vs Rouge (SaGa Frontier)- iiiiiiiiii

Light

Augst Henricksen (Wild ARMs 4)- ii vs Rhys (Fire Emblem Series)- iiiiiiii
Tia (Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals)- iiiiiiii vs Norn (Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen)
Fantastica (Wild ARMs XF)- i vs Ilyana (Fire Emblem Series)- iiiiii
Zhuzhen Liu (Shadow Hearts)- iiiiiiiiii vs Cyan Garamonde (Final Fantasy VI)- i
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