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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #1350 on: May 16, 2013, 05:12:04 PM »
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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #1351 on: May 16, 2013, 10:43:19 PM »
SN5- Finally! In my hands! How long has it been since the last one!? Though, I can't help but to feel SNUX is the real meat, while SN5 is just a tag along.

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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #1352 on: May 17, 2013, 03:05:52 AM »
ME3: Hahaha. You know, I'd been encouraging my crew to hook up whenever the opportunity arose, but I totally didn't call Tali/Garrus. Occurs to me I never had them in the party together in this game, maybe I missed something.

In less significant news, game finished. For a...given value of "finished."

Game needed a "spaceghostkid is an idiot just erase him" button. Game did not provide one so I improvised. With my gun.

With regret: the writers anticipated my attempt at lateral thinking, and full of scorn at my wish to elude their carefully constructed ending scenario they chose to wipe out all sentient life in the galaxy. Then the credits rolled. And overwrote my autosave so I'd have to replay the last hour of the game to see an ending that sucked even marginally less.

(I did grab the extended cut ending for what that's worth. I don't actually know what that entails, wasn't out when I YouTubed the ending way back when. Obviously irrelevant for universal armageddon ending though.)

Seriously Shepard just point out that spaceghostkid is factually wrong. Hey remember that 300-year war between robots and their creators? That's over. I talked them out of it. They're friends now. Also that chick who was shooting all your dudes with me on the way in? Hey kid she's a computer. Your thesis is disproved, cycle broken, shut your fucking face uncle fucker.


I knew in advance that all the final choices the game plainly offered you, and really everything related to the final sequence, were incredibly dumb. I didn't actually know that could happen, but clearly I should have known better than to second guess the divine wisdom of the great mind that brought us Kai Leng. Also jesus what does your rep have to be to make those final dialogue choices on the Citadel? I was like 90-95% paragon and still couldn't to it. What the hell.

ME3, I dunno. It reminds me of Return of the Jedi, you know? There's rollicking action sequences and some nice character work building off of earlier series entries and you're having all kinds of fun up until space teddy bears show up to own all the bad guys for you and now you can't believe in anything anymore. Except this time you are the one who is the space teddy bear's bitch.

It makes me sad because they did such a great job with this game for most of its run. Aside from the stuff already bitched about at length (ghostkid/Kai Leng/ending) it was a greatly enjoyable experience. Combat is cleaned up and more fun than before (too easy, but at least I can finally dodge), individual missions play well off most of your actions in the previous games, writing is solid...Which just makes ghostkid stuff even more glaring. I know there's a war on, dude, because I hear about it through everybody's personal stories every time I drop in on the Citadel. You know, I actually found myself running past some of those NPCs repeatedly just to see how everyone's little dramas turned out? And then you get back to the Citadel for the finale and everyone's dead or melted. Fuck you too, game. The non-asinine writers on this game did some good work. It really does feel like Space Suikoden for much of its run. You race all over creation solving problems to unite disparate peoples and there's a big satisfying moment near the end when you finally see everyone standing together against a common enemy, yah? And then you hit an ending seemingly calibrated for maximal discordance, disappointment, and frustration.

How something that is so satisfying for so much of its run could also stoop to such staggering depths is just kind of amazing to me.

Still, it is good to see that London still maintains telephone boxes even well into the 22nd century.

(Why doesn't Anderson have a British accent though.)

Series general stuff:

-I don't think I mentioned it before, but I actually quite like the alien designs? They're almost all humanoid in the same basic proportion as humans, which seems like a box sci-fi writers have trouble climbing out of, but they're all quite distinct and memorable. There's not more of them than you can keep track of or would be sensible and nobody's just Bumpy Forehead People. I have a strange fondness for the elcor because they can only speak in Deadpan.

-I think I have to call ME2 the best entry in the series. The antagonists' plan there was pretty dumb too, but it's the kind of dumb you can mostly handwave because hey at least this isn't the end of the story. TIM also actually worked in the context of that game (and that game only). You know you can't really trust him, but you kind of owe him for resurrecting you and he genuinely is doing work the Alliance *should* be doing. And he's smart enough to keep the worst of Cerberus's excesses out of sight while you're working for him. There was some actual tension there, whereas ME3 Cerberus just reverts to straight-up soul-raping transformations for some and sanitary liquefaction for others, not even trying to hide it anymore (where the heck does all the funding for these projects come from, anyway?) Brainwashed villain is also kind of tiresome. Stared Into Abyss/Abyss Stared Back isn't the worst angle for a villain, but it's definitely less fun than someone more ambiguous that you can actually sort of argue with.

-Javik/robogirl final party (not that ME3 really has a final battle per se). They seemed like the most appropriate partners for ultimate space robot genocide. Of course since this is ME3 my choice did not matter much.

-Girlfriend Traynor is super cute. On the character front, the returning characters matured very well across the three games. Even the fun ones felt a little sketched-in in ME1? But much more fleshed out across the sequels and I was quite attached to most by the end, particularly Tali and Garrus (my only regret about running femShep is no Tali romance). So yeah, Bioware doing fun character work, no real surprise there. It's like the one thing they're consistently good at. Garrus and Joker trading racist jokes was a highlight.

-Joker and the computer, best videogame couple or best videogame couple? (I'm actually serious here.)
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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #1353 on: May 17, 2013, 05:23:32 AM »
You manage to get both quarians and geth on your side (based on stuff you did in 2) or did you have to pick? The first time I had to pick. Chose quarians cause I needed ships.

It was rough.

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« Reply #1354 on: May 17, 2013, 10:20:16 AM »
Because you just beat it I need to retell the Renegade run through. 

Highlights of mashing RED on everything.
You pretty much get to leave the Turian home world to burn.
You lie to the Krogans.  Mordin knows anyway.  You shoot him in the back.  The Salarians side with you and you trick the Krogan into thinking they are cured.
You can reunite the Geth and Quarians by sheer willpower of douchebaggery.
Wrex finds out you lied because Mordin was far from the only Salarian that has problems with committing a third act of genocide as a race.  He attacks you on the Citadel and you shoot him and then space him.
You can totes get Joker and Ede to get their bone on still.
You choose to destroy all Artificial Life in the galaxy.


Just to repeat that.
You can reunite the Geth and Quarians by sheer willpower of douchebaggery.
You can totes get Joker and Ede to get their bone on still.
[bold]You choose to destroy all Artificial Life in the galaxy.[/bold]


That is the second most fucked up shit you do on that path.  It is the most hollow soul crushing gaming experience I have put myself through, it is pretty amazing (EDIT - This is in fact a straight up lie).  They pull no fucking punches with the consequences to your actions of being a douchebag who gives no fucks and gets stuff done regardless of who it hurts.  It really is pretty great and with other stuff that happens makes the Saren plot come full circle.  It is pretty cool.  Shame about the parts of the game that blow.

And the dialogue choices that you couldn't pick in the ending sequence require you to play that path very strictly when interacting with TIM throughout the whole game.  If you pick one snarky response you can't get it as Paragon or one "Nice" response on Renegade side.  Still need a threshold on the respective meter as well I believe, but it is mostly locked in early game.  That is where I fucked up because hey, I was playing Renegade Shep who had been Renegade in ME2, so I felt like maybe I shouldn't hate.  I chose wrong.
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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #1355 on: May 17, 2013, 11:01:05 AM »
You manage to get both quarians and geth on your side (based on stuff you did in 2) or did you have to pick? The first time I had to pick. Chose quarians cause I needed ships.

It was rough.

Yeah, I went out of my to reconcile the two of them. I figured something of the sort would be an option and put off the quarian mission as long as possible to build up enough rep to hopefully talk everyone through it. Even then I admittedly checked a FAQ when the choice came (it wasn't entirely clear from context what my options meant--Rally the Fleet/Warn the Fleet could just as easily have meant "Tell the quarians to blow up the geth before they power up.")

And yeah Grefter, this is why RED LAZOR ending option is retarded. Also because hello EDI. The least objectionable on the surface is the control option because guys here is first command: fly into the sun. Full stop. But knowing this game that is just a trap because that was President Bartlett's plan and it didn't work out too well for him either.

You know, there are times the overarching plot of these games just feels like a huge endorsement of the Prime Directive. Almost every time someone dredges up an old alien ship and tries to exploit it it's a disaster, salarians uplift the krogans and Bad Things happen, there's galactic civilization in general being wholly dependent by design on someone else's inventions...anytime somebody gets their hands on tech they haven't culturally prepared themselves for, it ends in tragedy.
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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #1356 on: May 17, 2013, 12:17:00 PM »
It isn't really that retarded with the Renegade run.  It is incredibly fitting thematically.  Shephard ruins everything good by trying to solve all problems directly and as finally as possible with no middle ground.  You make absolutely 0 things better in a Renegade run.  This is a pretty cool pay off to the way Renegade is pretty much the rockstar way to play ME2, it is so good, you completely wreck shit and nothing bad happens because of it.

Just like how Cerberus are totes actually good guys and cooperating with them will have no consequences and is a great idea.
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« Reply #1357 on: May 17, 2013, 06:05:25 PM »
Glad to see I'm not insane and your thoughts line up almost perfectly with mine.

Yeah. In general, the most insulting thing to me about the ending sequence is that they strip you of all your independence, power, and autonomy. That's where it goes the worst. Hell, the ending could have been better just by removing ghost kid and having the EXACT SAME OPTIONS.

Because the outside railroading is what hurts most.

You are motherfucking Commander Shepard. You have done the impossible. Multiple times. And to suddenly be told "Here is what I'll let you do, trolol" is incredibly insulting. It really does FEEL like you should be able to shoot ghost kid and make a "perfect" choice. After all, you were told you couldn't beat the reapers/reunite the quarians and geth/save the krogan/whatever.

I dunno. It just felt like such an un-Space Opera ending. Which given the whole game IS a damn space opera is really disruptive.

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« Reply #1358 on: May 17, 2013, 06:48:31 PM »
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« Reply #1359 on: May 17, 2013, 06:49:39 PM »
Beyond autonomy, I think that the biggest problem is that it trivializes your actions throughout the game. Whether you scoured every corner of space for possible assets or showed up with the absolute minimum you could complete the game with, you can win because the Star Child says you do. The war assets that the whole game focuses on obtaining do not exist to solve the problem, they are merely set dressing and a way to get onto the Citadel.

Like, in ME1, you have to get to the controls so you can contact the Alliance fleet. But when you kill Saren at the end, he doesn't instantly die. His barriers go down so the fleet has an opening to kill him. If taking out Saren just made Sovereign die, we'd be left wondering what the point of their presence in the final battle was, because they wouldn't contribute. And in 3, that's the feeling I get. Once the Crucible shows up there is no point to them being around.

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« Reply #1360 on: May 17, 2013, 08:00:46 PM »
Beyond autonomy, I think that the biggest problem is that it trivializes your actions throughout the game. Whether you scoured every corner of space for possible assets or showed up with the absolute minimum you could complete the game with, you can win because the Star Child says you do. The war assets that the whole game focuses on obtaining do not exist to solve the problem, they are merely set dressing and a way to get onto the Citadel.

Like, in ME1, you have to get to the controls so you can contact the Alliance fleet. But when you kill Saren at the end, he doesn't instantly die. His barriers go down so the fleet has an opening to kill him. If taking out Saren just made Sovereign die, we'd be left wondering what the point of their presence in the final battle was, because they wouldn't contribute. And in 3, that's the feeling I get. Once the Crucible shows up there is no point to them being around.

*nods* You're right. That is another big issue, there. The climax of ME3 lacked even the impact of the suicide mission, where you really feel like "Man, this is why I recruited these people."

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« Reply #1361 on: May 17, 2013, 08:46:20 PM »
It isn't really that retarded with the Renegade run.  It is incredibly fitting thematically.  Shephard ruins everything good by trying to solve all problems directly and as finally as possible with no middle ground.  You make absolutely 0 things better in a Renegade run.  This is a pretty cool pay off to the way Renegade is pretty much the rockstar way to play ME2, it is so good, you completely wreck shit and nothing bad happens because of it.

Just like how Cerberus are totes actually good guys and cooperating with them will have no consequences and is a great idea.

I guess I should rephrase: it would've been the antithesis of my run. It is an absolutely shit option when you've gone out of your way to help robodudes (which I pretty much always will do if it's a possibility because robots). Of course, they're all terrible options. It's like someone fused the endings of Human Revolution and Fallout 3 because neither one sucked enough on its own (Fallout 3 being my previous champ for stupidest ending ever).

Totally random thing occurs to me. You know when you find the geth in ME2 they're hanging around this star that's dying prematurely and everybody's all whoa that shouldn't be happening, DARK ENERGY? And it sounds significant and never gets mentioned again? What the heck was that all about? Dropped plot thread or cut content?

You know, I have to wonder how any star system with or near a relay has any damn resources left. You run across a lot of planet descriptions that say such and such race mined this planet out and I think, if it only takes an advanced species a couple centuries to exhaust a planet, how the heck is there anything worthwhile left anywhere after jeebus knows how many cycles of galactic civilization?

Just editing to note that yeah, suicide mission was pretty fun stuff. I like multiparty dungeons, even cases like this where the people that split off will only be doing offscreen duties, just for the sake of making you feel like you actually need this huge crowd of people.
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« Reply #1362 on: May 17, 2013, 09:00:39 PM »
Maybe dead robots work like fertilizer?
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« Reply #1363 on: May 17, 2013, 11:52:08 PM »
The dark energy thing was what the original plot ending was going to be about, the reapers were trying to stop it or something. It wound up getting leaked so they changed it.
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« Reply #1364 on: May 18, 2013, 12:19:30 AM »
That's why one of the lead writers, who wrote the opening stuff on Earth and the kid segment, sequestered himself from the rest of the team.  And thanks to that, there was nobody to tell him how stupid it was.

e: The worst part is how the last five minutes undoes all the good stuff on Earth leading up to that. All the stuff in London was way atmospheric and they really have the impression that you threw everything you had at them and maybe it was still not enough. But, nope, makes all of it irrelevant because the Star Child can end it at any time.
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« Reply #1365 on: May 18, 2013, 02:26:09 AM »
I didn't mind the ending! (But

It didn't fit with the rest of the game at all but it was fairly unexpected (and at the same time, standard sci-fi stuff)
I for one was glad they did away for once with the concept of Shepard (AKA You) Does Everything Important Ever. It is naive and silly. This is a problem with video games in general, but the Mass Effect series was particularly ridiculous as a serious sci fi world where literally no shit is ever done without you in 3 games.

I wasn't exactly floored because "Oh Come On Not That Kid Again" and contradictions, but wasn't extremely disappointed either.
As far as I'm concerned the worst kind of RPG ending is definitely the 30 minutes one where you get to see every city around the world to check back each NPC and major character's happy ending. Jesus.


The Super Cyborg Ninja can burn though. So stupid.


Anyway really the most clever about ME3 is that you think you'll fight reapers all the time, and instead you just get to fight a stupid internal war, mostly with Cerberus, the whole game. (There might be a metaphor for climate skeptics)


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« Reply #1366 on: May 18, 2013, 02:29:01 AM »
Mass Effect 3 is a metaphor for BioWare being a shitty game developer.
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« Reply #1367 on: May 18, 2013, 02:34:49 AM »
Bioware is Shepard and Cerberus are the fans who "betrayed" Bioware when they hated the ending and complained.
Bioware expected all this and did a game about it.

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« Reply #1368 on: May 18, 2013, 03:10:55 AM »
In a way, though, it's still Shepard being responsible for everything. It's all the other people fighting who are deemphasized completely. Shepard still has a role to play, while every other organic life form in the Sol system could wink out of existence when you go up that elevator and the ending would still play out exactly the same.

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« Reply #1369 on: May 18, 2013, 03:47:42 AM »
Yeah definitely.
The kid is all "You are awesome and special!" too. (for all that he's says he's even better)


Anyway, the journey is better than the end, and there was at least real closure at the end of the trilogy.
Meanwhile Infinite Space ended like this:

*Main character unites a bunch of people Suikoden style to beat Badguy Jerkface*
- Badguy Jerkface: Nooooo
*Reapers start invading*
- Everybody: Naniiii??? There were even more powerful things than us hidden in the universe and they're all invading?
- Main character: Hey Badguy Jerkface, let's try to beat these aliens together. We have no chance but whatever.
- Badguy Jerkface: K

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« Reply #1370 on: May 18, 2013, 04:52:42 AM »
There are few games I can think of that would not be improved by having the last line of dialogue be a character saying "K."

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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #1371 on: May 18, 2013, 07:42:44 AM »
Counterpoint: Star Ocean 4

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« Reply #1372 on: May 18, 2013, 12:51:52 PM »
Dragon's Dogma/Dark Arisen: Finally, I can play as a killer nun. What took you so long, Capcom?

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« Reply #1373 on: May 19, 2013, 03:02:35 AM »
Too late, it would take years for me to get used to not mashing X when presented with the Dragon's Dogma title screen.


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The newcomes take a lot of time to catch up but the team's already pretty amazing. Clerics are pretty much only on item + haste duty but whatever. I'd have booted them in favor of status mages if not for Exorcism.

The level scaling is weird. Story battles seem fixed. Random battles... I got into one with a solo level 3 Denam and fought a level 6 team. I go with a full level 15 team and fight level 13 monsters. Maybe there are only a limited number of possible enemy formations or something? (one level 6 team, one level 13 team, one level 20 team, etc)
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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #1374 on: May 19, 2013, 05:13:41 AM »
Counterpoint: Star Ocean 4

Fuck you for making me think of that shitheap of a game.