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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #2425 on: November 18, 2013, 08:28:30 PM »
Odd, I remember Nina's S. Boom being devastating in Witch's Tower... and her speed is okay and her durability irrelevant due to BoF2 targetting.

Ran into a few enemies who nulled it. Her damage would be better, but lack of Scan or something similar hurts there.
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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #2426 on: November 19, 2013, 12:29:52 AM »
Game of "did you buy Fire Emblem Awakening, have a cheap extra game to get pumped for the bizarro crossover," aka Shin Megami Tensei 4: Finished.  This is...  an odd, odd game.  (As are most SMT series games, in fairness.)  In terms of quality, Tactics Ogre might be a weird comparison - both make huge, unforced errors and have various nasty system traps lying around for you, but they both end up decent games anyway.  Although TO is notably better.

Anyway, the fundamentals of SMT gameplay make "balance" a tricky, tricky thing.  It's a damn good thing they at least gave you basically infinite continues before the battle you lost, but even then, things can get annoying.  Here's the SMT4 difficulty cliff:
Beginning: OH GOD NO DEAD AGAIN NO WHY DID YOU RUN OFF WITH MY STUFF #$%^&
Earlygame: Punishingly "hard."  Except hard in a totally random "lol you went 2nd and the enemy randomly hit your weakness or got a crit and killed everything" kind of way, or in an annoying - if you aren't save / reloading everything - style, oh boy back to the inn due to another BS demon death and I don't want to use an expensive revival item.
5-10 hours in: Massively hard, but at least you start to have the tools to deal with it.  The first big boss takes like 4 rounds of spamming his weakness to kill, and has uber damage that gets multi-hits and slaughters you, and has moves that get lots of crits to slaughter you even more.  But he is beatable...  if you spam evasion-up buffs and get lucky enough on dodges to not die instantly.
10-30 hours in: Randoms start not being a huge threat, and your MC build starts to pay off, and you have tools, but can still definitely wipe to random bullshit, and there's a few good bosses here to keep you on your toes.  (NOTE TO SMT DEVELS, THIS IS THE SWEET SPOT)
Back half of the game: lololololol, now the system is rigged in your favor.  Smash randoms with unstoppable non-elemental MT damage even if you can't hit their weaknesses (which you can), watch as enemies ram into your elemental nulling like morons, etc.  As you can tell from the stat topic, bosses inexplicably stop really doing more damage later, too!  So terrifying bosses who could dispel all your buffs & debuffs and do massive MT damage get succeeded by bosses who don't have a crucial all-dispel and don't do appreciably more damage vs. more HP and haxier options.

It's tricky.  Action games can be punishingly hard and it's "your fault" so fine.  Games like Fire Emblem can have huge weakness mechanics but since there's a map, they functionally only punish mistakes and reward good decisions.  Even Pokemon, in 1v1s, makes huge weakness / huge resistance work because, well, that's the whole game.  Having a large party with a hefty random component to who goes first, and add in enemies who are balanced around sometimes randomly smashing your weakness and sometimes randomly losing their entire turn, and you end up with what is an "unsatisfying" random experience.  In the early middle it's okay because you have just enough tools & demon stock to control things, and then toward the end your broken just plain trumps enemy broken, the random becomes "will the enemy be sort of okay or totally ineffective."

Since disliking things is easier than liking things, some random errors & things that just bugged me about SMT4:
* Silent Main.  Specifically, silent main in a game where he's the focal point of a fair amount of plot.  Think Serge from Chrono Cross.  Thankfully the game eventually figures out that a Silent Main going everywhere is lame, and Our Hero takes around an RPG party for color commentary, but this only fixes so much.
* The overarching goal of the game is barely integrated with it.  More spoilars, but also think Chrono Cross - you do a bunch of random stuff and stop some bad people, and then at the end oh by the way you can also achieve this too, semi-randomly.  Silent Main doesn't help here.
* The obligatory trip to the status screen for healing after every battle - well, before you start wiping every battle in 1 round, at least.  Forget it and eat a death!  Okay, I can accept that old-skool style, but what about poison curing?!  Setting a demon ability on poison curing is a terrible waste, and it takes multiple button presses to make your way down to the poison curing items, again, and fix things up.  This is in a game with poison rivers and poison zones everywhere.  Look, one poison river for flavor reasons is fine, but so many?!  Is this place livable at all?!  More importantly, is this place too annoying for heroes to visit, having to constantly go reset the damn poison in the status screen?
* There's some weird plot threads left hanging, which I can only assume are things that I'd know if I'd played the other SMT games.  (Example: Dude saying "You don't even know what the Yamato Perpetual Reactor really is, do you?"  Well...  no.  And apparently you aren't going to tell me, Mr. Game.)  From checking Wikipedia afterward, the game seems to heavily reference SMT1, at least.  Not that SMT plot necessarily makes any sense even when things are "explained."
* Dungeon design is occasionally terrible, although usually mercifully short.  Seriously, small dungeons are a merit, I'm fine with just 3 screens.  Flip side, SMT4 likes (tiny) maze dungeons as some kind of old-skool throwback, which meh, even if they're small.  It also has a few teleport dungeons, which bah.  Again, they are also small, but still, screw that.
* Demon lord Lucifer is ugly.  What's up with that?  He's the "Morning Star!"  Tarnished beauty if you must, but he shouldn't be vanilla ugly.

That said, to be clear, I liked SMT4, and it was a fairly gripping experience, eating up a decent amount of my time.  The plot, while filled with holes, ends up reasonably compelling enough anyway, and sometimes smashing everything is pretty fun.

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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #2427 on: November 19, 2013, 01:46:49 AM »
SMT game

That sounds about right. Odd that they decided to pick off from where they left in freaking DDS, which is just vaguely jarring considering how many of the fundamental SMT problems they toned down for Persona 3 and 4.

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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #2428 on: November 19, 2013, 03:00:11 AM »
DDS sent you back to save points though, right?  That'd make the game far more hair-pulling.  At least SMT4 lets you just back up before the battle, FF13 style, and save/reload everywhere for other issues.  (Early game, when a death potentially means a trip all the way back to the start, is definitely save / reload cheese time.  As are the kinda stupid demon conversations where you bribe them and then they join you, maybe, before you have lots of bribe material.)

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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #2429 on: November 19, 2013, 03:33:20 AM »
DDS does set you back to the last save point, but it's also not especially lethal (... usually) and save points are pretty common, so it's not too big a deal. I do get really annoyed when I lose due to what I perceive as entirely random chance, but it's pretty uncommon that you lose significant time out of it.

Pokemon X - Pokedex sitting at 244. Gotta catch 'em all I guess. Exp Share is on now as I raise up lots of pokemon, having a blast just kicking around seeing how everyone is.

VVVVVV - Beat the game with less than 50 deaths, woo~ Gravitron and final level by far the most difficult parts, I now think, for all that I had the most trouble with space station 2 my first time through. May try to V-rank a couple of the easier time trials (space station 1 and tower) and improve on my super gravitron record (currently at 13:xx seconds) but that's probably about it.

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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #2430 on: November 19, 2013, 02:25:52 PM »
Meru + Shana + Translight/Dancing Ray spam + boss + hahaha Y/N?~
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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #2431 on: November 19, 2013, 04:37:08 PM »
Shana and MT Holy items -utterly trivialize that dungeon like it ain't a thang, yes.
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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #2432 on: November 19, 2013, 05:50:49 PM »
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Mmm, Magical Hat is nice too, if you get lucky with a drop (or two) from the Magician Bogeys~

I think I had White Silver Dragon there before, I must have grinded a lot on that file >_>
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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #2433 on: November 19, 2013, 06:15:23 PM »
That's one of the fun things about LoD, the way it responds to grinding is amazing.  The other fun one is getting Blossom Storm on Lavitz.
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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #2434 on: November 20, 2013, 12:09:06 AM »
Yes I'll be shoving MT holy down the boss' face. This playthrough I've largely been switching between high-mag characters for bosses and addition-spammers for randoms. Works pretty well.

Game does a pretty good job of non-Kongol character balance. The main thing jumping out at me is that Shana is notably worse than I remembered, she has yet to put meaningful separation between herself and Rose for magic stat (and in fact trails for the entirety of disc 1), and her cheesy spells do require you to suck more in randoms (to be fair, randoms be bad so this isn't as big a deal as it could be). Clearly improves with time, but yeah. Also Dart goes through some really bad phases like late disc 1 (where he is by far the least damaging of the fighters... and then gets a fire sword just in time for a dungeon where all the randoms are fire-innate, gj) but I kinda already knew this.

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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #2435 on: November 20, 2013, 12:21:03 AM »
Breath of Fire 2- Oh god, Highfort Sten solo battle. WTF that is that fail game design. Please make it so that a character may need to face a battle against an enemy that is faster than you (unless you are leveling 19 or above, meaning that basically you have been using Sten all the time) and can potentially OHKO is fucking great. Compound that with no equipment shop (so I got a few chests, but if I could buy Sten a better helmet and shield, that would likely help a significant amount), no escape, no way to switch equips with other PCs, and no EXP focusing is a great combo. Hitting on goos, hoping they don't run away.

Alternately, with a lot of luck it can be beaten. You just need to evade 1 of 4 attacks (maybe 50-50ish at Super Luck?) and you need none of the 3 attacks that hit you to be Slams. You also may need him not to hit the top of random variance on the 3 hits that get you. It certainly can happen, but I think it will take me longer than just getting Sten to 19 (at which point he is faster and the battle theoretically becomes almost stupidly easy). Yeah...
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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #2436 on: November 20, 2013, 11:28:38 PM »
TomE- Playing a cursed. L16 or so? It's less painful now that I've hit L10.


MK2- Text too small to read/10. With bonus obnoxious animeness turned up to 11. *flush*
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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #2437 on: November 21, 2013, 04:54:22 AM »
A note: SMT4 is a stand alone game, thus you won't find explanation to its plot holes in other games.
And thank god, it is a stand alone game, as so many characters are OOC in this game: from Steven to Gaby, to Lucy, and to Beelzebub.

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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #2438 on: November 21, 2013, 05:44:29 AM »
MK2- Text too small to read/10. With bonus obnoxious animeness turned up to 11. *flush*

Forgot about the microprint. Basically was designed for HDTV only.

BoF 2- Beat Highfort with the great 3rd and 4th members of Spar and Jean (why yes, I did not realize that one damn dragon statue does not let you change PCs until it was too late). In the dungeon Spar gains...Exit and Warp. Awesomely useful.

I think I would have used Ag-Up during the Shupkay battle.
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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #2439 on: November 21, 2013, 06:01:27 AM »
Even on an HDTV, that text sucks. No idea what they were thinking.

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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #2440 on: November 21, 2013, 02:50:52 PM »
Dhyer: I'm playing it on a 31 inch HD TV. It's still next to unreadable.

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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #2441 on: November 21, 2013, 05:12:38 PM »
So I'm playing Rogue Legacy again for some reason. I beat NG+ and NG++, got all the equipment plans, and am now working on maxing out all stats before buying all runes and then proceeding to smash the final boss's face in yet again. Hopefully that will satisfy whatever weird completionist urge keeps bringing me back to this game. Not that it isn't fun! But NG+++ is just kind of nuts.
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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #2442 on: November 21, 2013, 08:19:00 PM »
I had absolutely no problems reading the text in MK2.  I tested both on a standard CRT TV and my 46' HDTV. I was using component cables though...

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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #2443 on: November 21, 2013, 09:00:48 PM »
I had no trouble with MK2 on a similarly sized TV to Super, either.

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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #2444 on: November 21, 2013, 11:45:14 PM »
FF13 Lightning Returns - Cloud's costume is way too strong. Cloud's costume is WAY TOO STRONG! That damage is ABSURD!!

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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #2445 on: November 22, 2013, 12:53:52 AM »
I'm in the "Text was unreadable" camp of MK2.

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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #2446 on: November 22, 2013, 01:55:19 AM »
Pokémon Y - Well, getting Yveltal was inordinately easy.
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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #2447 on: November 22, 2013, 03:46:27 AM »
Well, Dialga/Palkia were easy to get too.  Apparently, Gamefreak caught on that forced fight Ubers should be easy to catch because it's obnoxious going through cutscenes every time you fail.

Reshiram/Zekrom took it a step further and the game requires you to catch them.  Fail, and it basically yells at you and makes you refight them, thankfully they too are easy to get.  I hear Xerneas/Yveltal are the same deal with the "Forced Catch" thing...and I personally caught Xerneas with a Pokeball because reasons.
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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #2448 on: November 22, 2013, 09:34:34 AM »
FF13 Lightning Returns - Cloud's costume is way too strong. Cloud's costume is WAY TOO STRONG! That damage is ABSURD!!

My favorite interview was the one where Toriyama said "well since we have so many costumes and the player can control the camera there's no way I could take panty-shots out of the game."  It really encapsulates the absolute creep that he is.  I mean, Resident Evil 4 solved that problem like a decade ago by having Ashley be like 'fuck you' and she wasn't even a STRONG POWERFUL PROTAGONIST WOMAN like Toriyama likes to wank about her being.

Also the ending is the absolute perfect capstone for that shitpile of a series.
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Re: What Games Are You Playing 2013?
« Reply #2449 on: November 22, 2013, 10:35:45 PM »
God forbid all the costumes wear bike shorts underneath.  Couldn't have that now, could we.
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