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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #300 on: September 19, 2013, 09:06:57 PM »
Speaking of, it struck me that's what really bothers me about Randian stuff. It is very... indoctrinated? They worship the idea of the capitalist/inventor/whatever way more than the other side demonizes it.

It's a cult of sociopathy. Logic does not apply, only the allure of a "philosophy" that claims to justify the adherent's atavistic impulses.

Any person that references Ayn Rand in any positive sense can safely be set to Ignore.

I enjoy reading Ayn Rand's columns she wrote in the 1970s.  She is an Internet ranter before the Internet, writing short, pithy, punchy, and unfair essays criticizing stuff she doesn't like and usually misrepresenting it.

I think Rand's thoughts on abortion are pretty spot-on, and I actually prefer to use libertarian arguments as the basis for a pro-choice position (rather than some rather uncomfortable alternatives).

Ayn Rand's "novel" writing is fun to criticize!

I find the split in Ayn Rand's followers between the ARI and the other Objectivist sets to be both amusing and useful, where it turns out you can build a cult that requires 100% obedience even around a philosophy theoretically based around free-thinking, idealism, and logic.
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Since it sounds like your approval is 90% predicated on unintentional comedy value, I am willing to concede the fact of your continued existence.

The latter point consistently amazes me, hype for individuality paired with slavish obedience to a charismatic ideologue. How do these ideas coexist in the same brain? I do not comprehend. I guess you can take the Russian out of the autocracy but you just can't take the autocracy out of the Russian.

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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #301 on: September 20, 2013, 01:46:37 AM »
Those essays can be some good stuff.  I recommend you check 'em out as well.  At her best, reading 70s essay writer Rand is like reading Justice Scalia's opinions, where she whips out her poison pen and does a fine job at making the other side look stupid (if you knew nothing about them and thought that Rand's impressions of their beliefs was not a straw man).  At her worst, it's amusing to marvel at her logic, as she in dead seriousness will cite her novels as proof of her position.  (Look, missy, I realize that when you're the author, you can make the collectivists the bad guys and the individualist industrialists the good guys sustaining the world from collapse.  Some Marxist can easily go write a novel where it's the reverse, and I can go write a novel that implies that all garbage collectors are part of an insidious cult to enslave humanity.  It doesn't prove we should start arresting garbage collectors.)

I've chatted with ARI members before, and their position is basically "Well, Objectivism is Ayn Rand's philosophy.  She owns it.  If you disagree with her about anything, that's fine, but call what you believe something else, it's not Objectivism.  What's the problem here?"  There's something to it - there certainly exist bizarro cults that claim to be part of Christianity / Islam / etc. that appear to have very little to do with the main beliefs of said religions, and it's questionable if they should be given that designation - but the level of "No, change is bad, Rand gave us the ONE TRUE REVELATION OF RATIONALITY" leads to some rather awkward positions that seem quite dated by 2013 standards.  On the bright side, the feuding between ARI / other Objectivists whom the ARI considers apostates and not really objectivists / vanilla Libertarians is kind of amusing, and I actually wish there was more such feuding on the far right.  The far left is always totally riven by pointless internal debates about whether the Trotskyist diaclectic is inevitable enough or if bourgeois socialism is an acceptable stepping stone to communism or whatever, it'd be nice if the far right types all hated each other as well and argued about whether it'll be Chinese pilots or Vietnamese pilots in the UN black helicopters to take over America.

Since we've descended into "Idiot Movie of the Day," to switch gears from Rand a bit, I highly recommend everyone here watch "Left Behind 2" and "Left Behind 3."  They are quality cinematic entertainment, I've totally watched 'em 3 times.  Watch the UN's nefarious plan to stick cheap CGI green poison into the Bibles, and you won't believe the stunning countermeasure available.

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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #302 on: September 20, 2013, 03:47:45 PM »
http://www.salon.com/2013/09/19/orson_scott_cards_unconscionable_defense_of_genocide/

I'm just going to leave this here.  Don't have much to say about it other than, no, that's stupid.
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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #303 on: September 20, 2013, 04:01:18 PM »
I can't decide whether I'm happy that this article isn't about Card saying something new and stupid, or annoyed at how stupid the article itself is.
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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #304 on: September 20, 2013, 09:21:40 PM »
Yeah, I had more or less that same reaction:

"Oh god what now...wait...wait...what?  No, no, no."
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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #305 on: September 21, 2013, 12:13:38 AM »
I do t know if you guys are aware that everything in a novel that a character is factual and reflects the artists personal beliefs.  Most of all it is always completely literal what it says on the page.
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« Reply #306 on: September 21, 2013, 01:03:16 AM »
I would say that novels like Ender's Game...advocate for a lens through which to see the world.  I don't have a problem with imputing the base assumptions of a book on the author.  It's just that this particular analysis is completely, incomprehensibly wrong.
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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #307 on: September 21, 2013, 02:39:13 AM »
Going back to Rand, I am vaguely amused that Mark Rosewater of Magic: The Gathering fame of all people ended up getting told the same thing Fenrir said above.

http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/61744071355/what-color-do-you-think-ayn-rand-was
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/61772386306/so-it-seems-i-cant-comment-until-ive-followed-you

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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #308 on: September 21, 2013, 03:59:05 PM »
Hahah yep.




Not related but I've just learnt about the "Legends Football League". (Formerly known as Lingerie Football League)
... Really? How does this exist?
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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #309 on: September 21, 2013, 11:51:10 PM »
http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php/topic,6233.msg159698.html#msg159698

A guy is surprised that a combination of girls and their underwear and football exists.  I am awaiting the time he learns that a guy combined driving a car and getting a blowjob.

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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #310 on: September 22, 2013, 01:34:16 AM »
That's a pretty shitty combination though. Like hot dogs and skydiving.
1) You get bored of the girls really quickly and certainly don't exactly want to go back to see it more than like one time a year. (Or so I assumed)
2) I doubt this is high level play. So the sport part's probably pretty boring.

I assume no one is really serious about this and the girls playing this view themselves as very slightly higher on the respectability scale than porn actresses. Then the actual football part must be really really bad (Fuck if I know anything about american football though)

If they're all actually serious about this (Girls playing in lingerie being a serious alternative to boys playing in normal clothes), then the whole thing just seems too shameful to still be acceptable on TV nowadays.

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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #311 on: September 22, 2013, 02:05:45 AM »
The underwear is just a gimmick to get male fans to watch, which is really offensive/dumb. American Football is really not a sport that translates well with women. (Think Rugby but more violent and with bigger guys).
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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #312 on: September 22, 2013, 02:35:53 AM »
Not going to bother with comparative levels of violence.

Instead, pillow fighting!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaD_Tbff10s

Edit - Not as IotD but as example of above combinations done kind of right.
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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #313 on: September 22, 2013, 03:28:35 AM »
>too shameful to be on TV

Lolwut?

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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #314 on: September 22, 2013, 04:13:55 AM »
The pillow fighting was pretty awesome.  The outfits weren't titillating, and it was full contact - as long as your hits go through the pillow.  Basically like wearing a giant boxing glove.

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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #315 on: September 22, 2013, 04:34:14 PM »
I need to overexplain everything :(

There is obviously a lot of terribly shameful shit on TV (Like the entire horror porn genre), but this is different.
It's not just a random regular extremely misogynistic movie, but an extremely misogynistic institution, totally upfront about its misogynistic nature while presenting itself as serious. Like congresswomen needing to wear bikinis.
Being surprised from this existing is just culture shock (Europe vs USA) from my part, but the fact that it does is pretty terrible.

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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #316 on: September 24, 2013, 06:25:32 PM »
http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/wsj_buries_the_lead_deep_on_ai.php

no no wait what

lynching is the as bad as getting mad about corporate bonuses of CEOs of companies that were too big to fail

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« Reply #317 on: September 24, 2013, 10:44:46 PM »
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« Reply #318 on: September 25, 2013, 09:23:42 PM »
I have heard of some overreacting to events (like some Eagle Scout candidate getting suspended for having a Knife in his car, a knife that wasn't even regulation length to be qualified as a "weapon" which the school charged him for), but that one might take the cake.
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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #320 on: October 01, 2013, 09:24:06 PM »
Regardless of one's stance on the issue, I have to wonder this:

Whether global warming is man-made or not, why are you willing -- sometimes even eager -- to contribute known toxins and excess gases to the environment in the first place?
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« Reply #321 on: October 01, 2013, 09:51:50 PM »
Because lol hippies r dum, as far as I can tell. With a splash of "God made the Earth just for us, so QED nothing we can do will destroy it, because that would be a dick move." You'd have to ask a theologian of some sort how to distinguish that argument from the problem of evil in general.
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« Reply #322 on: October 01, 2013, 10:42:32 PM »
See here I was just going to point to the URL.  new.investors.com says enough for me.
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« Reply #323 on: October 02, 2013, 01:44:17 AM »
I wasn't even responding in particular to this piece. I hear it a lot from those conservative "friends" I keep on Facebook so I am constantly reminded that, no, there really are people like that. "LOL, see? GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM" and then go back to absolutely wrecking the environment with petrol-dependence and an utter unwillingness to associate themselves with hippie things like recycling or alternative fuels or solar power.

I suppose my inability to understand this is on par with the part where those same conservatives are plenty happy to let people starve rather than contribute a few dollars of their paychecks every year making sure that families without means can have basic food. The circulation of that screed covering "If I Were In Charge" I would demand the unemployed sell all their shit, live in a communal barracks, receive basic subsistence, be required to report for menial labor, etc. made me scratch my head wondering why they are so dead-set on punishing their fellow man instead of empowering everyone to excel.

There does seem to be a preponderance of destiny in the mix. We were given Earth and God said we'll have it forever, so it doesn't matter what I do. You are either smart enough or work hard enough to make ends meet or better, or you should starve. And so on.

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« Reply #324 on: October 02, 2013, 05:59:49 AM »
Yeah, I've had friends of friends like that.  People who would do things like refuse to use recycling because that was associated with Liberalism.

Like...look: there is an interesting debate to be had around recycling--some things we recycle are pretty efficient on rate of return, but a lot of things we recycle are pretty marginal and you could debate about whether it's worth recycling them.  HOWEVER, if your city already has a recycling program, why would you refuse to use it?