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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #150 on: August 06, 2013, 06:52:24 PM »
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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #151 on: August 06, 2013, 08:14:55 PM »
I seem to recall the guy who drew the game admitted he made those designs especially over the top specifically to satire the designs of that era.  Call it an homage, but there was definitely a sense of doing it for irony's sake, rather than doing it out of shear respect.

Could be mis-remembering though, and to be fair, as much as I want to say the Fighter is too unrealistically buff to a point of parody...I am to forced to concede that it is no better than pretty much half the males drawn by Rob Liefeld during the 90s, so perhaps maybe it is an homage.
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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #152 on: August 06, 2013, 08:28:07 PM »
What people say to the press doesn't really matter anyway, only the execution in game.

I also will not get the game purely because of the gross elements, so I'm glad one reviewer out of 100 acknowledges the damn thing.

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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #153 on: August 07, 2013, 05:16:28 AM »
Andy, the way reviews out of 10 work is that 9 is good, 8 is OK, and anything lower is bad.  Because that is the consensus of the reviewing community, and is what the review-reading public have come to expect.  Of is not coincidentally how public school grades work.  You're an English major, right?  Don't take the math of the 1-10 scale seriously.
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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #154 on: August 07, 2013, 06:08:09 AM »
8 is a far sight better than "OK" in most education programs I'm aware of, and it's true of game reviews as well, where the average review score is in fact 6.x (I've seen this cited in a few places, but here's the quickest link I could find as an example).

People just get pissy that the game gets a "good" (or in this case, I guess, "average") score instead of an "amazing" score because they are butthurt losers who define themselves by people agreeing with their opinions (often before they have even played the game!).

god forbid someone find something only average for reasons they do a good job of justifying

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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #155 on: August 07, 2013, 06:57:51 PM »
What people say to the press doesn't really matter anyway, only the execution in game.

I also will not get the game purely because of the gross elements, so I'm glad one reviewer out of 100 acknowledges the damn thing.
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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #156 on: August 07, 2013, 08:29:27 PM »
Bwaha, the Tea Party folks are staging a boycott on Ebony magazine for putting pictures of people in hoodies on their cover. I bet their revenue will plummet.
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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #157 on: August 08, 2013, 01:50:58 AM »
I'm going to write about it on my RPG forum.  That'll show 'em!
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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #158 on: August 09, 2013, 03:15:44 AM »
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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #159 on: August 09, 2013, 09:40:15 PM »
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=47143

Not Yang and Pope; they're awesome.  The idiot of the day is Dan DiDio. 

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Asked by Yang if he had tried to do an all-ages book with a franchise character, Pope said he did test the waters, only to be knocked back. "Batman did pretty well, so I sat down with the head of DC Comics. I really wanted to do 'Kamandi [The Last Boy on Earth]', this Jack Kirby character. I had this great pitch… and he said 'You think this is gonna be for kids? Stop, stop. We don't publish comics for kids. We publish comics for 45-year olds. If you want to do comics for kids, you can do 'Scooby-Doo.' And I thought, 'I guess we just broke up.'"

"NEW READERS?  FUCK YOU, YANG!  WE WRITE COMICS THAT APPEAL TO ME AND NO ONE ELSE!" -Dan DiDio.

I'm kind of curious to see how DC's current trend of violently flaming out goes.  Given that they are apparently interested in marketing only to a highly-insular and constantly-shrinking market, they've seen sales drop by something to the tune of half in the past 18 months and they're hell-bent on pushing creative staff out as fast as possible.  Wonder how much farther they can fall before Warner says they're going Reprint Only to maintain copyright?

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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #160 on: August 10, 2013, 05:44:48 AM »
Honestly, DC's problem is that they're too afraid to take risks I feel.  Ok, New 52 was a pretty big risk, and it paid off in the short term, but things just slowly went back to the way they were.  Also, New 52 had this problem of being overwhelming in terms of releases.  They released everything at once, its hard to figure out what you want.  Contrast to Marvel Now! which was released over a span of several months, so there were only a few #1s per week, easier to keep track of all the new stuff.  Marvel Now! granted wasn't as big as New 52,  though it wasn't anywhere near as ballsy, and Marvel Now! was clearly just made as a marketting ploy to counter act New 52.

Really, though, when it comes down to it, Marvel is not afraid to try and push oddball names in hopes to make them bigger.  Guardians of the Galaxy is their current test subject in that regard, for lack of a better word, and Iron Man is probably their most successful using this business strategy (and it sure as hell paid off.)  Whenever I see DC coming out with something new, it's often More Batman, More Superman, or something involving both (like the JLA.)  Heck, I remember like 2 months ago or  something, they cancelled 4 books, and replaced them with...2 Superman books, a Batman book, and a 4th thing that was actually something newish? 

It's not just comics; their movies, animated stuff, and even games heavily rely on those two.  I know they're DC's biggest faces by far, but it wouldn't hurt to try and push some of the other JLA heroes into the limelight.  Easing up on Batman a bit and putting some efforts into promoting another character probably wouldn't hurt too much.  Batman's popularity isn't going to start waning anytime soon, so you really don't need to push him anymore, just acknowledge him when something new of his comes out and people will buy it because "It's Batman."  Put more of that Batman marketting efforts into someone else who needs it.

But yeah, they're marketing to a specific fanbase only, and not trying to bring in new readers.   New 52 was the only time it felt like a strong push, and once the hype of that died out, they basically just said "fuck it, back to business as usual." 


That said, wasn't Dididio also the guy who whined about 52 being the worst thing ever, then said "Countdown is 52 done right!"?  Everytime I hear about stuff related to Dididio, it never sounds good, but maybe I've only heard of the bad stuff.
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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #161 on: August 10, 2013, 05:55:44 AM »
I've never heard anything positive about Dan DiDio, so you aren't far off there.

I think the difference is who drives things.  At Marvel, the direction of the label is decided annually at the Writer's Summit, where Hickman and Bendis and the rest get together and talk plots.  At DC, editorial drives everything, keeps writing and art from working directly together, orders rewrites constantly, and forces the timetable on writers to adhere to events and plots that aren't organic to the story.  That's why they can't keep their best staff on anymore, it's just a terrible environment to work in.

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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #162 on: August 10, 2013, 12:40:55 PM »
That fourth thing was probably Green Team (the most recent of the new books that counts as part of the latest "New 52") which is an old team from the 70s from a single comic.

So sometimes DC still do some weird stuff.
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« Reply #163 on: August 10, 2013, 04:26:33 PM »
I've never heard anything positive about Dan DiDio, so you aren't far off there.

I think the difference is who drives things.  At Marvel, the direction of the label is decided annually at the Writer's Summit, where Hickman and Bendis and the rest get together and talk plots.  At DC, editorial drives everything, keeps writing and art from working directly together, orders rewrites constantly, and forces the timetable on writers to adhere to events and plots that aren't organic to the story.  That's why they can't keep their best staff on anymore, it's just a terrible environment to work in.

Possible.  I do know that Dan Slott explained the process some at Free Comic Book Day to the guy in front of me, and yeah, it's often the writers bouncing ideas off each other and often changes occur in planning when the other writers aren't very into the idea themselves, thus you sort of take one for the team.

And yeah, Grefter, DC does sometimes do that, but they don't push these as much as Marvel does, though, maybe I'm just jaded by how much Marvel pushed GotG because of, well, this, thus they have a reason to care about it's success while to DC, if Green Team fails, it's just another comic they can cancel.  I won't deny Marvel probably has this mindset for a number of things they produce.
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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #164 on: August 10, 2013, 10:39:58 PM »
I think you are missing part of how comics function in the current Marvel environment.  The comics for the upcoming movies do get a big push, but that is because it gets the name out there to the wider audience.  The relative quality or success of said comics is kind of irrelevant at the end of the day.  That said they aren't going to cry a waterfall of tears if they do get a good book and a profit out of it.

It is effectively a self paying bit of marketting that can also produce storyline content for the more profitable movie component.  It is really quite well done for as long as they can keep rolling on this wave of Super Heroes as the modern Myth thing and making good money.
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« Reply #165 on: August 10, 2013, 10:44:05 PM »
Yeah, DC is all about keeping everything "important" in the same voice. If you look at who's been in charge of the big "event" crossovers from the last few years, there's a pretty strong contrast. At Marvel, you had Mark Millar write Civil War, then Bendis did Secret Invasion and Siege, Fraction wrote Fear Itself, the entire writer's room collaborated on Avengers vs. X-Men, and now Hickman is doing Infinity. Meanwhile, DC's events are all Geoff Johns, except Final Crisis. Granted, most of those stories sucked, no matter which company you're talking about, but Marvel at least gave multiple writers a chance to embarrass themselves.
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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #166 on: August 16, 2013, 08:05:59 AM »
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So like...most of the video is actually alright; I think there are at least theoretically plausible concerns raised on both sides.  Until the 5 minute mark.

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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #167 on: August 16, 2013, 10:37:45 PM »
Oklahoma, meet Establishment Clause. And Free Exercise Clause and Equal Protection Clause and Due Process Clause and if it had gotten enacted Contract Clause for good measure.

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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #168 on: August 18, 2013, 09:48:23 AM »
Guys, are we really spoiler tagging information from news (well, CNN) clips now?

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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #169 on: August 18, 2013, 02:59:43 PM »
I think the idea is spoiling the surprise of the idiocy.   I guess to some people, it's a novelty not knowing the stupidity they're going to see before they see it.

Personally, I am totally ok with "spoiling" myself on this kind of stuff.
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« Reply #170 on: August 21, 2013, 03:27:03 AM »


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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #171 on: August 21, 2013, 03:48:46 AM »
y u do this 2 me
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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #172 on: August 21, 2013, 03:58:45 AM »
Next time I feel terrible I'll remember I'm not this guy

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Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
« Reply #173 on: August 21, 2013, 04:03:19 AM »
That is IotY caliber material.
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« Reply #174 on: August 21, 2013, 04:07:11 AM »
y u do this 2 me
Next time I feel terrible I'll remember I'm not this guy